Americans should just fuck each other more

This racism tripe is becoming tedious:

Bernie Sanders’ revolutionary vision is good at detecting the ills of Wall Street – but it clearly does not perceive racism. The senator regularly conflates race and class issues, but addressing class oppression won’t magically erase white supremacy. By insisting that it will, Sanders reveals a longing for a post-racial society that (commendably) cares deeply about the poor but does nothing to address how economies are racialized, gendered and made to benefit the able-bodied.

Sigh.

Racism evolves over time. Take how it has impacted what reparations would mean. Originally proposed to cover the debts owed to black people for slavery, any true solution must also address the new ways of systematically damaging black communities that followed, from Jim Crow, redlining and beyond. Well-meaning white people and their failures to seriously confront a racist system from which they benefit have not escaped this evolution either – a product of white supremacy, they find new ways of perpetuating inequality.

Look, the only way to deal with “race” is to stop distinguishing upon the basis of race. For example, I’ve heard that the marrying out rate for Afro-Caribbeans in the UK is some 30%. At that sort of rate a couple of generations and there is no Afro-Caribbean to get worried about either way, as the threat or the threatened. There’s simply a tad more coffee in the complexion of the nation and a few interesting distant cousins to visit on holiday.

Last time this subject came up here one commenter said that she and some friends were discussing (perhaps the others were agonising) over how their variously mixed race children were going to do in a racist society like the UK of today. Our commenter had to point out that of all the children of the entire group discussing this only those of herself and her partner would not be mixed race. The society those children grew up in just wouldn’t have the same conception of race: even barring my usual insistence that the UK of today is one of the least racist societies humans have ever constructed.

And it’s not as if we don’t have historical examples of this. Britain has been variously invaded by Celts, Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, waves of immigration of Hugenots, Irish and blah blah blah. Immediately after such waves the distinctions were important. Two generations later pretty much none of them were. Why? Because we all fucked.

That the US is more racially polarised is indeed a problem. But the solution is the same as the solution has always been. Americans simply need to fuck each other more.

To misquote Tom Lehrer “Get down upon your knees and miscegenate, miscegenate, miscegenate”, that’s the solution.

68 thoughts on “Americans should just fuck each other more”

  1. The problem in America is that a large slice of the black population has self segregated into ghettos of 3rd world morals and behaviors, they are deeply racist and anti-education, anti anything “white” essentially. No reasonable person outside of that world sees the blacks as anything but a drag on society and a drag on their own life prospects if they were together. This is not universally true of course, but true enough that intermixing is far more rare than the racial proportions would suggest it should be. Whites and Asians mix far more happily as they share a more common culture and level of achievement in life.

  2. Except, of course, we still have Jews. Because you can’t miscegenate with people who won’t miscegenate. (And, having come from a Jewish area of London & dated Jewish girls, I can assure you; the community isn’t particularly over the moon about the notion. Especially the bloody aunts. Loads’v kvetching.)
    I’m trying to remember….isn’t there another community a bit like that?

  3. Ms Coppolla would disagree. She thinks Brits are more racist than most countries and need a good dose of immigration to cure us. Meanwhile her Cologne gropefest has now over 1000 women on its list of abused.

  4. Actually won’t work, because the point isn’t racism as such, that’s just the convenient handle. In places like NZ where there’s nary a pure bred Maori left, doesn’t stop a large government funded industry busy finding new grievances for those ostensibly browner than their neighbours to cash in on.

    Same in the US, these people won’t ever want to get rid of racism, that would destroy their whole moral viewpoint. They need to find more and more racism to justify their social signalling and destructive self enriching ways.

    Rather than inter-breed, the only real solution lies in advising them often and publicly to commit obsessive fornication with themselves.

  5. “There’s simply a tad more coffee in the complexion of the nation”

    I suspect that the effect may be more pronounced because of the concentration of white/black fucking in certain areas. There’s not a great deal of it going on in Wiltshire, but lots in London. Similar to how there’s a high concentration of Viking up in Shetland but not much down south.

  6. I find a lot of black and coloured women extremely attractive but a lot of them hideous. Especially in USA a lot of them are appalling lard arses with bad skin.

    Mind there’s a lot of white lardarses as well many with bad skin which are also hideous.

    But independently of my sexual tastes, this is an issue that won’t go away as long as tax payers’ money is hosed at the complainants, and the more the USA move away from being aspirational and generally successful at inclusion, and towards identity politics the problem will only get worse until the whole society is thoroughly ghettoised at all levels.

    Unfortunately the auguries are not good. AT all.

    Obama’s presidency has been a disaster in this respect as well as all the others, in fact this is perhaps his most tragic failure (in a crowded field).

    Martin Luther King was I think a great man and his “I have a dream” speech is right up there with the great prerorations of history; his legacy has been utterly trashed by his successors and he would be disgusted by what goes on now.

    Sad and disturbing.

    At root the problem is the socialist/statist/authoritarian mindset.

  7. Martin Luther King was I think a great man and his “I have a dream” speech is right up there with the great prerorations of history; his legacy has been utterly trashed by his successors and he would be disgusted by what goes on now.

    Funny, just this morning I wrote on Samizdata:

    One of the most bizarre things I witnessed – and which I don’t recall anyone else commenting on so perhaps I’m alone in this – were the scenes last year when Selma was in the cinemas and there were riots over the shooting of Michael Brown. Dozens upon dozens (probably hundreds) of commentators made the connection between the two, saying that MLK’s battles are still being fought, as if the proud, educated, and principled Martin Luther King had anything in common with a welfare-dependent street thug with his pants halfway down his arse other than the colour of his skin. Did these idiots really think that MLK would have been on the side of Michael Brown and others like him? MLK must be turning in his grave at what Black America became following the success of the Civil Rights movement. I bet he and Rosa Parks would cross the road to avoid the likes of Brown, and do whatever it took not to live in the same neighbourhood as them.

  8. Because being black in the States gets you minority privilege, you end up with people with paler skin than mine (somewhat Mediterranean, tanning readily, an artifact of filthy French ancestry) identifying (or being identified) as black. And I’m not just talking Rachel Dolezal here.

  9. As BiS says, some groups want to mix with us and others don’t.

    There are *some* muslim/non muslim marriages, but not many.

    Friend of mine’s sister married a Pakistani businessman – nice chap, drinks alcohol, doing well for himself, intelligent and urbane. Another friend married a muslim Malay (but they met in Malaysia). But they’re rare. (I suppose white – black *marriage* is reasonably rare too – it’s white birds bringing up brown kids more often, I think.)

    Same is true of Sikhs and Hindus, too. A Sikh friend of mine – highly intelligent, a barrister, lived here since the age of four, has two sons. I said to him one day, ‘How would you feel if your son and one of your friends’ daughters wanted to get married?’

    He said he wouldn’t countenance it: his son was marrying an Indian sikh girl and that was it.

    Now, whether he’ll be able to enforce that on his son is another matter, but it’s his plan. And as I say, he’s in most respects a thoroughly western bloke.

    PS Where’s Ironballs? Is he having some sort of road to damascus experience in respect of this ‘racism’ shite? For a gobby gobshite, he’s awful quiet these days.

  10. How often do we see a picture and profile in a paper/magazine on the latest truly hot young actress/singer/model with the potted history of “the daughter of a Japanese father and German mother”, or indeed a young male athlete (Tiger Woods for example).
    Just like dogs, we were meant to interbreed. ‘Pedigree’ dogs end up stupid and deformed. Pedigree breeding in people gives us Thick.Racist.Pricks.

  11. “Just like dogs, we were meant to interbreed. ‘Pedigree’ dogs end up stupid and deformed. Pedigree breeding in people gives us Thick.Racist.Pricks.”

    So pointing out the birth defects caused by first cousin marriage in the Pakistani / Bradford population is or isn’t racist then Ironballs?

  12. Haha. I do hope that the Democrats run on reparations this year. Yes, please! Hillary is so desperate that she might just give it a go.

  13. To Worstall’s point, more miscegenation wouldn’t really change anything (there’s a fair amount of it already) since we operate on the one drop rule. Well, it would create more blacks, but the divisiveness would still be there.

  14. Tim Newman,

    Part of the problem is that their societies have created a mindset of oppression. The economist pointed out that Asians and Hispanics are far more under-represented at the Oscars than black people are (who are roughly represented about right). But you don’t hear much from the Asians about it. And of course, Spike Lee, one of the most irritiating filmmakers, an utter has-been who struggles to make anything, is there.

    This extends to more serious matters, and black people really need to sort this shit out. When a kid with a known criminal past is shot while carrying a weapon, stop turning it into industrial level outrage. He wasn’t Steve Biko. He was a bad kid, he probably did something bad. If there’s racism, pick better cases to get behind.

  15. What was called “character disorder” when I was young is now called “personality disorder.” At its root is a person’s belief that most of their problems are someone else’s fault. Rather the opposite of neurotic, where their problems are because they are inadequate.

    See “The Road Less Traveled,” Dr. Scott Peck, 1978

    Politicians learned long ago that they can exploit people’s character disorder. In democratic societies, where the politicians’ driver is votes, telling people “it’s not your fault,” works wonders. Why tell someone, “Pull your damn pants up and get a job,” when you can tell them, “Your troubles are because of slavery [which ended 150 years ago],” AND it will get them to VOTE for you. You’d much rather have the vote than a solution!

    Long term, feeding the personality disorder leads to group psychosis. Race baited blacks live in an irrational world, propped up by politicians who, by their actions, show they don’t really care about the blacks.

    ‘Look, the only way to deal with “race” is to stop distinguishing upon the basis of race.’

    I would take this a step further, people, especially government, should never mention race. The best way to deal with race is to ignore it.

  16. We can’t interbreed. Race is a social construct. Discussion of breeding between races is therefore socially constructed and ontologically meaningless.

    In other news, all this kind of thing proves is that multiculturalism doesn’t work, and the rest of the White World (which does not exist, as whiteness is a social construct) have been mad to import this model of society from the USA.

    Racial struggle is the base template for all of Neo-Progressivism. It will not cease until either the NPs are pushed out of power, or everyone unlucky enough to be socially constructed as “white” has ceased to exist. This is what Tim W’s solution amounts to; indeed one might call it a Final Solution to the Whiteness Question. Whether that is a desirable solution is another matter.

  17. Lewis Hamilton and Halle Berry (to name just two) are referred to as black & held up as role models/icons for said ‘race’.

    Er, ahem, they are of mixed (black/white parentage),
    Identifying as black seems to be a cynical choice (and a slap in the face for dear ole Ma in both persons mentioned above).

  18. Having been the fly-on-the-wall at numerous female Afro-carib gabfests, I gather the fortunate ones are regarded as those who’ve managed to snag themselves a white bloke & are looking forward to a life of marital faithfulness, industrious homebuilding &, well, a life. Meanwhile, their brothers are after a status enhancing white chick they can get pregnant & park in a council flat as a useful stopover whilst they’re looking around for the next one.
    The future may be coffee coloured but I don’t see it as Blue Mountain

  19. /applause for Tim Newman indeed.

    I wonder if MLK would want Michael Brown to be judged by the colour of his skin, or the content of his character?

  20. Interested

    Nice to see you back with us. You seemed to take a break after “I’ve shat your type”. Will your present offerings be up to that standard?

  21. “So pointing out the birth defects caused by first cousin marriage in the Pakistani / Bradford population is or isn’t racist then Ironballs?”

    OK, for the Slow: Pointing out the downsides to marrying your cousin for generations on end isn’t racist. Hightlighting the likelihood of certain amongst us on this blog being the product of unhelpful genetic traditions ( or “coming from Gloucestershire” as Bristolians enjoy noting) is rude…but helpful I think. Certainly it provides an explanation for “I’ve shat your type”. MR Interested-Ecks-SMFS won’t thank me for it of course.

  22. Arnald,

    Statistically there’s no problem with black people in the acting categories. Slightly underrepresented in nominations, slightly overrepresented in wins. Asians and Hispanics have more cause for complaint.

    That said, I don’t quite agree with Charlotte Rampling. Lead roles in major films (and the Oscars are not major films) are rarely cast with black actors. But if the audience won’t go and see a black superhero or black equivalent of Bond or Indiana Jones, what do you do? I think it’s changing, slowly – Finn in Star Wars is a major deal, Marvel seem to be testing how far they can go with The Falcon.

  23. Anyway, we can.all agree with Tim’s basic assertion that inter-racial shagging, leading to mixed-race kids is a good thing. Yes?

  24. Those darn white people making Asian Americans the highest earning racial segment in the country. It’s nothing to do with effort, education, or individual’s choices, it’s the those white people making the Asian Americans so wealthy. Down with the whites!

  25. Anyway, we can.all agree with Tim’s basic assertion that inter-racial shagging, leading to mixed-race kids is a good thing. Yes?

    No. In fact, Tim’s assertion is absurd, at least as it relates to the US. More miscegenation in a race-obsessed society doesn’t do anything but make racial politics more complicated. If anything, light-skinned blacks tend to be even more aggressively race-conscious because they aren’t as secure in their blackness as their darker-skinned cousins. Think of Barack Obama and Eric Holder and all the wonderful things they’ve done for race relations in America.

  26. Well Jerry, hound at least show the honesty others probably won’t.

    So…”More miscegenation in a race-obsessed society doesn’t do anything but make racial politics more complicated”

    The corollary being that less of it makes racial politics, er, less complicated. Well I do agree with you there; just don’t like your simpler world.

  27. Jerry C: “… If anything, light-skinned blacks tend to be even more aggressively race-conscious…”

    That’s what I was alluding to. Thank you for being bolder.

  28. Anyway, we can.all agree with Tim’s basic assertion that inter-racial shagging, leading to mixed-race kids is a good thing. Yes?

    No. Why would it be a good thing for the diversity of human beings and cultures to disappear? Should we shift large numbers of whites into Africa to lighten them all up?

    It’s just us palefaces that you think need mixing out of existence isn’t it, Tinribs?

  29. SJW thank you for the link that adds a small piece to the puzzle.

    Racism is a real social construct Consider for a moment that, for a man at least, you believe your DNA is worth passing on. If you are able to convince women that anyone that looks like you is inferior then you are more likely to get some. Kids raised around this type of attitude will add to it and the end result is a group that is marginalized. As we rely heavily on the sense of sight then the easiest trait to target is skin color. Add the fact that traditionally lighter skin color is associated with wealth and not having to labor in the sun then it easily follows black skin is bad.

    White flight is a real thing that changed the structure of Northern cites in the US. Having just learned of the systemic segregation in the FHA from 1934-1968 I am not sure yet how it adds to the whole. I do know that post 1968 in many neighborhoods when a black family would move in the whites that could afford to leave would. The best video example I can think of to explain it is from the TV series All in the Family, season 1, episode 8, Lionel moved into the neighborhood*.

    Reparations, just like the concrete housing projects of the 60s, will not solve the problems facing the black community. Wealth and social status on the family level takes generations to build. Simply handing someone 40 acres and a mule will not make life better for the person that hasn’t learned how to use it. On a moral scale we do need to continue to make up for past mistake but throwing money at a problem won’t fix anything.

    *I’d include a link to the episode but I feel season 1 is so good everyone should buy it. Every link I followed seemed to end up at Amazon so feel free to find your own retailer.

  30. Ian B
    “Anyway, we can.all agree with Tim’s basic assertion that inter-racial shagging, leading to mixed-race kids is a good thing. Yes?”

    You say no (I think).

    How about “can we agree that mutual agreeable shagging is a good thing?”

  31. 1. What was wrong with white on white?
    2. Will the politicians stand up for the half castes – especially when the mass Chinese arrive looking for your women. There is an awful lot of spare Chinese males.
    3. Have tribal wars been abolished then ?
    4. By then I personally will probably have lost interest.

  32. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “Anyway, we can.all agree with Tim’s basic assertion that inter-racial shagging, leading to mixed-race kids is a good thing. Yes?”

    No. Western Imperialism has resulted in devastation for the planet’s biodiversity. What is some times called the McDonaldisation of Nature. Everywhere you go, you see the same birds, the same mammals, the same plants. This is not a good thing. In the same way we will regret the loss of humanity’s diversity when in fact we are all Flatlanders. I would personally regret the disappearance of red heads.

    Second, the world still depends on White people. Why this should be I don’t know but the non-Whites, especially those of African origin, are not making any progress in catching up. I doubt that the Black and half-Black population of the UK could manage to keep six Ford Fiestas running for a year. They certainly cannot produce enough doctors or engineers or scientists. When Britain achieves Tim W’s goal and looks like Jamaica, it will be as developed as Jamaica. But without the revenue that comes from prostituting its beaches and young men.

    Third, race has not gone away. White people have tried to say sorry and make amends. But everyone else still hates us. They will go on hating us for the foreseeable future. There’s money in it. That means every mixed child is not one of Us but one of Them. The end result is now inevitable – they will send us up the chimney. The question is how soon. Whites cannot live in Black dominated areas. Not in Africa. Not in the Caribbean. Not in the Americas. And soon not in Europe.

    The parallel is with Jews. It would solve, on one level, the Jews problems if they all intermarried and disappeared. But a lot of Jews tend to think the world is a better place for having some Jews in it.

    This idea that the British ought to vanish from the pages of history due to some ideological crusade from the Guardian is not sensible, it is not good manners. It is insane. It is suicidal. It is pathological self-hatred. The world is a better place with some British people in it. We need our own Israel. Oddly enough Israel is not keen on flooding their own country with Third World immigrants who hate them. We should not either.

  33. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “MLK must be turning in his grave at what Black America became following the success of the Civil Rights movement. I bet he and Rosa Parks would cross the road to avoid the likes of Brown, and do whatever it took not to live in the same neighbourhood as them.”

    One of the things about the Western domination of the world is that we do not hear the voices of non-Whites. That enables White people to patronise the living [email protected] out of them. You see this with indigenous peoples – Western liberals simply love to represent them as tree hugging, feminist eco-warriors. Whereas I bet if you asked them, they would all want AK-47s to shoot the last Spotted Owl they could find. We all do it with Jamaicans. We like to think of them as cute, loveable Rastas. Whereas in the real world, our interactions with people of Jamaican origin is more likely to involve a violent crime.

    Given where MLK’s politics were going – and he was siding with the Soviets more and more – I think he would love the Ferguson protests. I think Rosa Parks, a professional political agitator, would endorse Black Lives Matter. I think the only thing that saved MLK from being as widely derided as Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton was his assassination. In that sense, it was a great career move because we only remember the cheating, wife-beating, plagiarising philanderer as the Young MLK, before he moved to Vegas. We have been spared the inevitable downward spiral that would have followed.

    Although I agree they would not wanted to have lived anywhere near anywhere called Martin Luther King Boulevard.

  34. So Much For Subtlety

    Britain has been variously invaded by Celts, Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, waves of immigration of Hugenots, Irish and blah blah blah. Immediately after such waves the distinctions were important. Two generations later pretty much none of them were.

    You know what is missing from that list? The Celtic fringe. The Celtic fringe of Britain was invaded by the rest of the Big Island. A lot of people sleeping with each other. The PM, for example, is obviously of Scottish origin.

    Yet the biggest political shift of our lifetimes has been the eclipse of Unionist parties (in the general sense) in the Celtic fringe in favour of smaller ethnically based parties that are obsessed with those military defeats centuries ago.

    Reality is not optional.

  35. The invasions of the first millennium were not peaceful settlements in which everyone just got along, but waves of bloodshed. The Huguenots (which we never seem to hear the end of) were a relatively small number of Protestant refugees to Protestant England from Catholic France. The Irish were still blowing up bits of London and other cities just 20 years ago.

  36. But…. aren’t the USA-ians the ones who inherited all the bad traits of Victorianism, Puritanism, and other -isms?

    I’m surprised they actually still know how to do sex….

  37. IanB has a point as well..
    the Anglii or Angles(h) were a distinct part of society under Anglo-Saxon times.
    They were, for all purposes, slaves, a conquered people, and the language of the times corroborates with modern genetic population research, roughly, generally speaking. At least more than enough to give credence to the notion that there was a most definite social distinction between the two.
    With the Saxons ( Danes v1.0) on top.

    So “England” as “Angle-land” translates as “Land of the Easy Pickings”. Small wonder the Norse did their drive-by’s, and finding it true, actually settled.
    In that sense, Aethelred the Unready ( as maybe the last true-ish “pureblood Anglo-Saxon king”) was a tragic king.. He was swamped by both internal know-it-alls *and* given the fragmented nature of the Vikinger couldn’t manage to pay the blackmail of them all, because of the know-it-alls.

    Just over half a century later Harald (not Haro a “Viking”..) found out how true this was, but nearly succeeded, were it not for copping an arrow somewhere inconvenient, ending the battle by the rules of the time.

    As an amateur Medievalist.. The Brits have no idea how *incredibly* violent their history is, especially compared to the rest of Europe.
    “We’re but an Egg” when it comes to kicling each others’ heads in, repeatedly, at length…

  38. So Much For Subtlety

    If turning Britain into Jamaica is such a good idea, perhaps we can all agree on an interim step – encouraging Jews to marry out.

    Can anyone see the downside to suggesting the governments of the world work to encourage Jews to marry non-Jews?

  39. @SMFS

    My cousin married a Jew last summer so that is already happening. Perhaps your this doesn’t happen in your social circle in which case you should be asking what is wrong with your friends and family.

    Third, race has not gone away. White people have tried to say sorry and make amends. But everyone else still hates us. They will go on hating us for the foreseeable future. There’s money in it. That means every mixed child is not one of Us but one of Them. The end result is now inevitable – they will send us up the chimney. The question is how soon. Whites cannot live in Black dominated areas. Not in Africa. Not in the Caribbean. Not in the Americas. And soon not in Europe.

    I can’t speak to all of the US let alone the Caribbean but in the “Black dominated areas” I’ve been in the blacks don’t want to live their either. The claim that whites can’t live in black areas is just plain wrong. That fact is that when a black doctor moves into a middle class neighborhood they get looked down on for both being black and having a higher income than their neighbors. Even worse is when the white owners sell for pennies on the dollar creating a new “black dominated area” that no longer has the tax base for local services.

  40. So Much For Subtlety

    Liberal Yank – “My cousin married a Jew last summer so that is already happening.”

    Of course it is happening. That is not the point. The Jewish community quote rightly recognises this as suicide and so they do all they can to stop it happening. The Soviet Union should have had the third biggest Jewish community in the world. But when Communism collapsed it turned out that most Jews had intermarried and the surviving community was actually much smaller than they thought.

    “I can’t speak to all of the US let alone the Caribbean but in the “Black dominated areas” I’ve been in the blacks don’t want to live their either. The claim that whites can’t live in black areas is just plain wrong.”

    It would be nice if you gave a single reason that might suggest I was wrong. You simply state it. But it remains true. Whites cannot live in Black areas. Sure, Blacks don’t want to live their either. So?

  41. SMFS, aka The Thick.Racist.Prick

    I did wonder what mumbo jumbo you would would come up with to justify you not liking the idea of a black man shagging a white woman, but without saying you just don’t like black people. This tough is good even by your standards:

    “No. Western Imperialism has resulted in devastation for the planet’s biodiversity. What is some times called the McDonaldisation of Nature. Everywhere you go, you see the same birds, the same mammals, the same plants. This is not a good thing. In the same way we will regret the loss of humanity’s diversity when in fact we are all Flatlanders”

    Complete bollocks. Then you really double down on your own stupidity:

    “Second, the world still depends on White people. Why this should be I don’t know but the non-Whites, especially those of African origin, are not making any progress in catching up.”

    Don’t even bother with pseudo sociological justifications there do you; thick racism stripped bare. I ‘m sure every Japanese, Chinese and Indian scientist and engineer currently making the world must be grateful to you for explaining how the world really is.

  42. If we’re talking reparations, what about claiming reparations from the descendants of Muslim slavers who kidnapped thousands of northern Europeans? At least European slavers didn’t hack off their black slaves’ goolies.

  43. SMFS,

    “The Jewish community quote rightly recognises this as suicide and so they do all they can to stop it happening.”

    Yes, but what you’re talking about there is “The Jewish Community”, the sort of people who join campaigns and write pamphlets and get involved. And this is the same with all sorts of minority groups. Most gay people aren’t like Peter Tatchell is about being gay. Who they fuck is part of who they are, but so is the job they do, the stuff they enjoy etc. I worked with a gay man for a year without knowing he was gay. And he wasn’t in the closet. We just never had a conversation about it. We mostly talked about movies or computer stuff.

  44. It would be nice if you gave a single reason that might suggest I was wrong
    I’ll give you two reasons. First, your reading comprehension is feeble. Second, your vile prejudices lead you to read stuff which is wrong and ignore stuff which is right.

  45. “I ‘m sure every Japanese, Chinese and Indian scientist and engineer currently making the world must be grateful to you for explaining how the world really is.”

    I suppose I could pop down the road and ask the many Chinese students attending Nottingham University what they think of SMFS’s notion that they still depend on white people.

    And why did you leave out the African scientists and engineers, Ironman? Are you racist?

  46. PJF
    OK. Those African and Latino scientists must be… etc etc

    Now PJF, you agree that inter-racial shagging is a good thing don’t you?

    I won’t bother asking you if you’re a racist, that’s the only inference from this thread.

  47. Ironman
    “OK. Those African and Latino scientists must be… etc etc”

    It’s too late now. Your lack of diversity awareness has been noted. Especially by the Austronesians.

    “…you agree that inter-racial shagging is a good thing don’t you?”

    For any consenting adults involved, I would hope so.

    However, if we accept Tim Worstall’s notion that “the only way to deal with ‘race’ is to stop distinguishing upon the basis of race”, then I’m not sure that “inter-racial shagging” is particularly relevant. A white person shagged a black person, and the resultant child became what everyone in the world, including you, believes to be the first black president of the USA.

    Now, if the notion is that the only way to deal with “race” is to take actions that eventually result in everyone being the same race, then certainly “inter-racial shagging” can assist. A side effect of this is that there will be no more Japanese, Chinese or Indians, nor anything that is uniquely Japanese, Chinese or Indian. Some might see this is as a good thing. Not sure I do.

  48. PF

    So you don’t see it as a good idea. And you also try to dress it up with mumbo jumbo to try to hide the hateful true of your sad little bigotry.

    But thank you and IanB and SMFS and Fed West’s little broth aka Interested for bust g tour own oh-so-clever line that “Muslims aren’t a race”. Pure semantics it seems, you do discriminate on the grounds of colour.

  49. Ironman, what is it about the Japanese, Chinese and Indians that appalls you so much that you want them to disappear?

    Speaking of hateful true of sad little bigotry, please be careful not to tar commenter PF with the brush meant for me. Most careless.

    “…bust g tour own oh-so-clever line that “Muslims aren’t a race”. Pure semantics it seems, you do discriminate on the grounds of colour.”

    I have to admit this fuckhead is a pretty ghastly shade:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413806/Age-SIX-groomed-jihad-British-suburbia-Shocking-image-UK-extremism-taken-little-boy-s-Muslim-convert-father.html

    .

  50. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman

    Isn’t Mumbo Jumbo racism these days? I am not trying to hide anything. No one is more clear or more honest about what they believe than me.

    “Complete bollocks.”

    So that is your response then is it? Well done. So well thought out. So nuanced. And yet it is a problem and it is not going away:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20121101-a-looming-mass-extinction

    And the Anthropocene will also be notable for its homogeneity – what Barnosky describes as the “McDonaldization of nature”. Many animals and plants have evolved to occupy specific geographical niches, such as islands or mountain lakes. As a result, it’s possible to find some endemic species that exist nowhere else on Earth, such as the giant tortoises of the Galapagos, the lemurs of Madagascar or the koalas of Australia.
    ….
    Humans have been orchestrating tectonic-scale species migrations of their own, either deliberately or accidentally, which has left its mark on the living planet. Some species including rats, goats, rhododendron, wheat and eucalyptus are found around the world while many others have become rare or vanished. Many introduced species are invasive – or “weeds” – which out-compete the natives for food, light and habitat, or like the jaguar simply consume them to extinction.

    A world without lemurs would be very sad indeed.

    “Then you really double down on your own stupidity:”

    Which you also fail to actually respond to. With anything other than foam-flecking ranting anyway.

    “Don’t even bother with pseudo sociological justifications there do you; thick racism stripped bare. I ‘m sure every Japanese, Chinese and Indian scientist and engineer currently making the world must be grateful to you for explaining how the world really is.”

    I am sure they would be. But actually the lack of productive work among Japanese scientists and engineers is odd. The Indians and Chinese are, of course, just going through the motions. There are a lot of them but they aren’t doing much.

    The Stigler – “Yes, but what you’re talking about there is “The Jewish Community”, the sort of people who join campaigns and write pamphlets and get involved.”

    Parents get involved enough to try to make sure their children marry other Jews. With things like summer camps and trips to Israel. But it is irrelevant. Do Jews have an obligation to accept ethnic extinction in the name of social justice? Ironman and Paul think we do as British people.

    Social Justice Warrior – “I’ll give you two reasons. First, your reading comprehension is feeble. Second, your vile prejudices lead you to read stuff which is wrong and ignore stuff which is right.”

    They are not reasons I was wrong. They are you smarting over me disagreeing with you so often to annoy but not often enough for you to be reduced to incoherent rage like Rusty. By all means, tell me what I should be reading. Especially something relevant to this thread – which your comments are not. Where are these paradises where White people can safely live among Blacks?

    Ironman – “So you don’t see it as a good idea. And you also try to dress it up with mumbo jumbo to try to hide the hateful true of your sad little bigotry.”

    Can you please explain why the disappearance of Jews or the Japanese would be a good thing?

    By the way, correct me if I am wrong, but you are a South African, no? So you like the new multi-racial South Africa so much – a country where a lot of inter-racial shagging is going on, some of it consentual – you decided to move to a Whiter country run by Whites? Is that right?

  51. SMFS when was the lat time you were in a “black dominated area”? I’m going to guess that it wasn’t recently and you drove through as quickly as possible with the doors locked.

    I have personal experience living in a “black dominated area”. My ex-wife ended up with a family house in a neighbor that was white until white flight happened. In the approximate year living in the area I never had any issues with crime other than the pros asking me if I wanted a shag. It helped that I was friendly with the neighbors. The kid who cut the grass for $10 a week was happy to get that much cash to go with a sandwich. He was able to turn the lawnmower(0 cost to me as it came with the house) into a landscaping business which has gotten him off of the dole. Everyone that lived there wanted to be able to move somewhere better more that anything. The fact that we were only able to get $12500 for a house appraised at $95000(and taxed at that value) means that homeownership is not a way to improve life.

    If you had an actually life experience that backed up your racism I’d still call you a racist prick. When you have a real point that adds to the topic please come back. Until then you a just part of the problem.

  52. Septic Tank: Which black area did you live in Numbnuts?

    Baltimore? Detroit? Cleveland? New Orleans? All the wicked whites flee just cos the don’t like black faces? Crime and violence have nothing to do with it? Read the excellent James LaFond “Baltimores Violence Guy” as he styles himself. He is a white man who has lived in Black Baltimore for 3 decades and survived. He does menial work and rides the bus to his job. He does not hate blacks but he has few illusions about the shithole that his city has been made as a result of welfare and black cultural mores.

    There is a certain type of white scum that gravitates to these columns. Socialist vermin–Arnald, SJW, The Smeller–you can expect nothing less than evil from socialist shite. Nothing to see or unexpected there. But most sickening are those slime who have enough sense to see through the economic nonsense of Murphy say BUT still parrot and indeed spew the anti-white hatred of Cultural Marxism. Perhaps–to paraphrase the line from Reservoir Dogs–so much Marxist semen has gone up their arses some has reached their brains.

    People should still be free to do what they want. A small number are set on interbreeding but not that many. Mostly grade-z white skanks with feckless ethic males sponsored by the British taxpayer. When the handout culture collapses then we will see about the multi-culti future.

  53. So Much For Subtlety

    Liberal Yank – “when was the lat time you were in a “black dominated area”? I’m going to guess that it wasn’t recently and you drove through as quickly as possible with the doors locked.”

    That sounds like me to a tee.

    “I have personal experience living in a “black dominated area”. My ex-wife ended up with a family house in a neighbor that was white until white flight happened.”

    See? Now that is a substantive response.

    “The fact that we were only able to get $12500 for a house appraised at $95000(and taxed at that value) means that homeownership is not a way to improve life.”

    Well no. It means that an area which is going down because of the collapse of social capital – that is, the replacement of Whites who run things like the PTA and make sure that neighbourhoods are safe and hence house prices rise – is not a good place to buy. All you need to do is persuade a lot of Whites to move back or a lot of Blacks to cease and desist anti-social behaviours that drive down housing prices.

    “If you had an actually life experience that backed up your racism I’d still call you a racist prick. When you have a real point that adds to the topic please come back. Until then you a just part of the problem.”

    By all means, call me what you like. Whether or not I am Satan’s slow younger son or not doesn’t change a thing. Nothing I said in wrong much less untrue and you have nothing to rebut it except abuse. Which suggests you know I am right as well.

  54. So Much For Subtlety:
    “But actually the lack of productive work among Japanese scientists and engineers is odd. The Indians and Chinese are, of course, just going through the motions. There are a lot of them but they aren’t doing much.”

    Japanese space program:

    http://global.jaxa.jp/

    Indian space program:

    http://www.isro.gov.in/

    Chinese space program:

    http://www.spacedaily.com/dragonspace.html

    British space program:

    ——-

    Just because you can’t see the output of foreign scientists and engineers doesn’t mean it isn’t there. The countries listed above currently focus most of their attention inwards, which is probably a good thing for us.

  55. The concept of white flight ruining neighborhoods is an interesting one. It suggests that black people cannot thrive unless there are a certain number of whites around to…what? Set a good example? Validate black people’s feelings of worthiness? Keep the streets clean and keep the trains running on time?

    Kind of paternalistic and condescending when you think about it!

  56. So Much For Subtlety

    PJF – “Japanese space program:”

    Well the Japanese don’t really have a space program. They have an ICBM program. But they do some work, it is true.

    “Indian space program:”

    The rocket benefited from technological cooperation from the Viking 4A engine built by CNES/SEP of France.[9][10][11] The primary difference being that the Vikas is rated for a longer burn time.

    They needed the French to design their rocket engine for them.

    “Chinese space program:”

    Bought wholesale from the Russians. Although it is odd because the Chinese got one of America’s top missile scientists who came back to the Motherland. Where he did nothing. In America he was a top scientist. Despite throwing money and resources at him in China, he did virtually nothing. Built a couple of stretched SCUDs.

    “British space program:”

    On the other hand Britain did become the fourth of fifth country to put a satellite into orbit. All by itself. Not many countries have done that. The technology was very good too – if Britain had kept at it, it would dominate the launcher market today.

    “Just because you can’t see the output of foreign scientists and engineers doesn’t mean it isn’t there. The countries listed above currently focus most of their attention inwards, which is probably a good thing for us.”

    Doing what? Making the Tata Nano? What have Chinese and Indian scientists and engineers been doing lately?

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