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No self-respecting politician could remain in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet

All politicians know that they are themselves lying, self serving, shits.

Why their self-respect should stop them from accepting more money and or power from one of the loopier among them is unknown.

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  1. The party which is at 33% in the latest poll (from memory). When is this implosion going to come?

    At 33%, we are one economic fuck-up away from Corbyn in Number 10, with all his loonies.

  2. I don’t know what the Corbynphobia is about. As Peter Hitchens recently pointed out, Blair’s regime was far more radical than Corbyn’s quaint old fashioned socialist idealism. We are already living in the worst of times. I think I’d prefer Corbyn in Number 10 to Cameron frankly. I’m really fed up to the back teeth of being ruled by neoliberal sophists.

  3. Yeah, but there ain’t no more money in being a member of the opposition cabinet is there? Only the leader of the opposition himself (or herself) receives an increase in pay equivalent to that of a cabinet minister and a government car.

    So, taking a stance right now (especially if you were marked for death by the Corbynytes anyway), makes you look good and gives you a starting position for the next leader of the Labour party who’ll be along in about 18-months or so.

  4. I think I’d prefer Corbyn in Number 10 to Cameron frankly.

    If that is an attempt at humour, it failed. And if it wasn’t, you are indeed, as I have long suspected, a closet socialist.

  5. Bliar was an evil turd for sure. All leftists are.

    But under Corpuke we would be heading to open tyranny and a Venezuelan economy far faster than we already are.

    And once he and his pack of cunts get in–only total collapse or violence will get them out. Remember who the scum admires.

  6. Relax you easily excitable fellow you.

    Corbyn ain’t gonna be PM. Ever. The people around him are raging incompetents who can’t even do organise their own bleedin cabinet/parliamentary party. Loose this rabble onto an election campaign proper and it’d be fuck up after fuck up all the way to the finish line. Which will be the worst result in Labours history.

  7. Oh well–if I’d knowed how we had us a’ honest-to-God time-traveller on the blog who can tell us how it gonna be I’d a mellowed out like yesterday.

    And when the economy goes down the pan and millions of panicked numpties who have been sucking up leftist propaganda about banks and free markets since they were knee-high to their Daddy’s dick all “Vote Labour for an Alternative”–? Why then we can remember your wise words and know there is nothing to worry about.

  8. ….Loose this rabble onto an election campaign proper and…

    I understand that Corbyn is unpopular in these parts, but it’s bizarre to accuse him of electoral incompetence. The one thing he’s shown himself to be outstandingly good at is getting people to vote for him.

  9. Sebastian Weetabix

    Since everyone hates politicians, a politician who is hated by all the other politicians is probably going to do rather well in an election, despite his dubious Jew-hating friends.

  10. “All politicians know that they are themselves lying, self serving, shits.”

    But there’s different levels of it. Depends how much lying you can take.

    Also, what John Galt said.

    The only reason half of them are staying is because they know it’s their one and only chance to play at being important.

  11. “The one thing he’s shown himself to be outstandingly good at is getting people to vote for him.”

    300k worth of hippies, teachers, trots and other soap dodgers won’t win him a general election.

    Corbyn and chums seem to have convinced themselves that there’s this giant untapped pool of potential voters out there who’ve just been biding their time waiting for the hard left to make their dramatic re-appearance. Didn’t work for Milliband, and definitely won’t work for Corbyn.

    Next election, like all the other ones, will be won from a vaguely centre-ish position. Which’ll be the Tories – assuming Corbyn hangs on till then.

    Sorry Mr Ecks, no matter how much you furiously masturbate over the idea of society collapsing and Mad Max gangs of Bolsheviks roaming the land, I’m afraid it isn’t going to happen.

  12. “The one thing he’s shown himself to be outstandingly good at is getting people to vote for him.”

    He is really good at getting left-wingers to vote for him. Whether middle Britain votes for him seems much less likely.

  13. Dan,Dan:”Sorry Mr Ecks, no matter how much you furiously masturbate over the idea of society collapsing and Mad Max gangs of Bolsheviks roaming the land, I’m afraid it isn’t going to happen.”

    Society doesn’t need to collapse Numbnuts–it just needs a solid economic shitkicking far worse than 2008 as a result of all the statist/socialist poison heaped on it by the supposed left/right political axis –which is actually left/left . Open your eyes and look around outside your cosy public convenience. There is more than enough debt and malinvestment caused by the states antics and their un/intended consequences. A lot of ordinary folk won’t know where there savings have gone and many won’t know where their next meal is coming from.

    All Corbo has to do is repeat a louder version of the “unregulated free-markets+bankster” shite that blossomed in 2008. There are numptys enough to vote him in.

    It would actually help some if the all population were as smug as you DanDan. Even when it hits them they would be smug enough to think that they would be ok anyway. And they would be right if they held their nerve, knew something about markets and stayed calm.All things pass. And above all didn’t vote for leftist bullshiters. Unfortunately most people only share your level of dumbness and enough of them will vote to make a crisis much worse. They nearly always do.

  14. “All Corbo has to do is repeat a louder version of the “unregulated free-markets+bankster” shite that blossomed in 2008. There are numptys enough to vote him in.”

    Strong stuff, persuasively argued. Nearly all pundits agree this strategy turned out to be the winner for Prime Minister Milliband – the one that gave him such a thumping majority.

  15. Apparently it is ISIS behind it now. Lol. This is what happens when a cherished world view meets with Reality. Could someone call for Mr Ockham?

    These poor creatures are mere automatons, without agency of their own, prey to any imaginary conspiracy that takes your fancy. They didn’t want to grope German women, they were forced/paid/incited/hypnotised to.

  16. @Richard Allan WTF? Who are the ‘anti immigration ppl’ and how did they manage do organise what happened in Cologne?

    Did the young Arab and African men these evil people employed to rob and assault women know who they were working for? Or were the mobs actually blacked-up Aryans?

    Of course she’s forced into this silly line of argument by her determination to stick with her entirely incorrect view of mass immigration.

    Bastian is lucky that his town just got Syrian women and children while some other poor sods got the 70% of the ‘refugees’ that are men. Of course if the population did double overnight then they’ll still be fucked because they won’t be able to cope.

  17. If only there was a true socialist party, one with all the right-on anti-capitalist anti-austerity policies this country is crying out for then they would be swept to power!

    A bit like the Trade Union Socialist Coalition Party in May 2015, whose 139 candidates garnered a massive 36,000 votes between them and came within a few percentage points in one constituency of getting nearly a quarter of the way to saving their deposit.

    The revolution is just round the corner, comrades

  18. And if it wasn’t, you are indeed, as I have long suspected, a closet socialist.

    No, it’s just as I’ve often said given the choice of evils, I’d rather the Old Left than the New Left. Especially when the New Left is masquerading as “The Right”.

    The basic problem here is that, back in the 70s socialism failed. Now neoliberalism has failed. But we haven’t got anyone prepared to try something new yet. The best you can say of Cameron is he’s the Callaghan trying to prop up a system that has already collapsed.

    Unfortunately so far there’s no sign of another Thatcher. In the meantime, Corbyn at least might not put all the blame on poor people. He’s a nutter, but they’re all nutters. So it’s a bit of a judgement call which nutter you would prefer.

  19. To clarify that comment:

    As a libertarian and as an optimist, I hope that somebody is going to suggest giving Free Markets a try. The realist and pessimist in me knows they aren’t going to. Hence, I don’t feel much motivated by the idea that Corbyn is some kind of terrible catastrophe. They all are.

    *shrugs*

  20. Bloke not in Cymru

    Timing is the issue
    If the next economic crisis rolls up, as they inevitably do, just before an election and especially if it involves bursting the house price bubble then enough people may vote for Corbyn to swing the election to labour. If hits Scotland harder then all the better for labour.
    The problem is that for too many people it really is a 2 horse race and if they don’t want to vote conservative they will switch to labour rather than the alternatives, obviously the liberals and all will gain as well just not as much.

  21. Corbyn has no chance of being elected under “normal” conditions. The danger is that he and his gang are in place when the next state-created economic crisis comes along. The Lavatory Man above says that Corby will fare no better than Milliboy. And under normal conditions he is right. We don’t have to worry about normal conditions. But when 2008 on super-steroids comes round–and it will–that might well be another story. When people are panicked and don’t know WTF is going on, then the evil shite Corbyn peddles won’t sound so crazy to them. That is how a pathetic group (and the Nazis and Bolsheviks were indeed pathetic showers) takes root to become a real and deadly danger.

  22. ” I’ve often said given the choice of evils, I’d rather the Old Left than the New Left. Especially when the New Left is masquerading as “The Right”.”

    The Old Left that you would get with Corbyn wouldn’t be the Old Left of Nye Bevan and Clement Atlee, ie we’ll control the economics but live your life how you choose outside of that.

    It would be the bastard child of the worst of the economics of the Old Left coupled with the worse of the social policy of the New Left. Even Corbyn can’t turn back the clock to ‘Beer and Sandwiches for the Union Boys’ in smoke filled rooms. The New Left would allow him his economic wet dream of turning the UK into 1950s Soviet Russia, but keeping the modern social control freakery we see today, probably even worse.

  23. “As Peter Hitchens recently pointed out, Blair’s regime was far more radical than Corbyn’s quaint old fashioned socialist idealism.”

    I think that’s a reflection of the fact that Peter Hitchens, being a statist, is personally more sympathetic to Corbyn’s views than Blair’s.

  24. So Much For Subtlety

    I object to Corbyn being called Old Labour. He isn’t. He is a member of the Trotskyite middle classes who joined Labour in the 70s. Old Labour would be an improvement and they wouldn’t touch this man with a ten foot barge pole. There was an Australian politician who said in his lifetime their Labour Party had gone from the Cream of the Working Classes to the Dregs of the Middle. That is Corbyn – the utter dregs.

    But Labour needs to win Scotland back. Perhaps they think that some good old fashioned Trot nonsense will work. It has kept George Galloway in paid employment for a long time.

  25. So Much For Subtlety

    Richard Allan – “Off topic, but Frances Coppola of this parish blames “anti-immigration ppl” of organising the Cologne sex crimes. (Scroll down)”

    She really has gone off the deep end hasn’t she? The German Right is paying people to black up and pretending to be Syrians?

    MC – “Of course she’s forced into this silly line of argument by her determination to stick with her entirely incorrect view of mass immigration.”

    I think that Western women have finally had enough of the metrosexual. They hate unmanly men. So they are very interested in these nice young men from Syria who know how to be men. But she cannot admit when her biological urges conflict with her politics. So she has to pretend. Hence the Guardian’s constant hard on for Islamists.

    Time for Western men to grow a pair I think.

  26. For those that think that bad economic times would lead to a swing to Labour — that an economic crisis would lead to increased love of the Left. Why should it?

    In the past in the UK bad economic times have not done that. Thatcher rode in on a failing economy. Blair rode in on a good one. When has a Labour party done well in hard times?

    Bad economic times sharpen the mind. People get far less sentimental about “others worse off than themselves” and bring in the Right. (If it’s bad enough, they bring in the fascists. Or let in the military in some places.)

    The only chance Corbyn has of being elected is if times are so soft that people think the country has money to spend on the sort of frippery he proposes.

  27. Rob,

    Corbyn’s only really on 33% because there’s no alternative on the red/pink front at the moment. He isn’t like Kinnock, fighting for votes with the LDs.

    He’s lucky that there isn’t really anyone left that falls into that David Owen/Roy Jenkins mould that could create a new SDP and take away a lot of labour’s vote. Who is left in parliament that is respected, experienced and towards the centre? You’ve got Hilary Benn and that’s about it.

  28. SMFS: But she cannot admit when her biological urges conflict with her politics

    That’s baseless, ungentlemanly and crude. It would have been politer to suggest that her position on this issue brooks no contrary argument.

    As a rule when your counterparty starts baying at the moon it’s time to moderate your tone and wait for nurse.

  29. The Stigler: You’ve got Hilary Benn and that’s about it.
    …on a good, day, with the sun shining, a following wind and gentle downhill incline.

    But the other lot aren’t much better endowed with talent, are they?

    Both major parties, like Stephen Fry on speed, are engaged in a race to the bottom.

  30. I think that Western women have finally had enough of the metrosexual. They hate unmanly men.

    Time for Western men to grow a pair I think.

    Indeed. This picture nicely sums up everything that has gone wrong with Western menfolk, and why a bunch of Middle Easterners feel they can march in and molest our women with impunity.

  31. “He’s lucky that there isn’t really anyone left that falls into that David Owen/Roy Jenkins mould that could create a new SDP and take away a lot of labour’s vote. Who is left in parliament that is respected, experienced and towards the centre? You’ve got Hilary Benn and that’s about it.”

    Er… this is what the Tories are doing. (Of course they’ll never get the hard left vote, but they have moved to the centre and are mopping up the swinging centrist vote).

  32. Hilary Benn is a vegan, green nutcase by the way. “Towards the centre” has shifted an awful long way left, it seems.

  33. Given that you stood as a candidate for London in the European Parliament election, 2009, you must view yourself as
    a lying, self serving, shit.

    How sad, or are you special?

  34. It generally helps, when an adult, that you can fight your way through to understanding the concept of “rhetorical hyperbole”. Long words, I know, but…..

  35. But you are a lying, self-serving shit, Worstall, otherwise you wouldn’t have stood for election as an MEP for UKIP only to fiddle those expenses and tugging hard on Farage’s cock.

    Are you dead yet?

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