Don’t want to start shouting Sheeple and the like but…..

Police in Sweden have been accused of hushing up a series of sexual assaults by asylum seekers at Europe’s largest teen pop festival, with one senior officer saying police wanted to avoid “playing into the hands” of the anti-immigration Sweden Democrat party.

Hmm.

In an internal police memo seen by the newspaper, officers identified a group of approximately 50 men, “so-called refugee youths, predominantly from Afghanistan,” whom they suspected of being behind the attacks, adding that “several of the gang were arrested for sexual harassment”.

Despite a record number of girls reporting crimes, police made no mention of the phenomenon in the report on the festival posted to their website, which said instead only that there had been “relatively few crimes and few arrests given the number of attendants”.

Sweden’s Prime Minister on Monday called for an immediate inquiry into why no crimes were prosecuted and whether police hushed up the assaults.
“I feel a very strong anger that young women should not be able to attend a music festival without being offended, sexually harassed and attacked,” he said.
On Monday afternoon, Dan Eliasson, Sweden’s national police commissioner, agreed that the offences were “completely unacceptable” and launched an “immediate internal investigation into any wrongdoing or crimes”.
“I will be extremely displeased if we held back on any information for political reasons,” he said.

Displeased perhaps isn’t the right word, incandescent with rage and laying about you with a Viking battle axe might come close though.

there’s a vague similarity here between this and my general view of Islamic terrorism. That some of us will be killed I think inevitable, as 7/7 showed. There always will be nutters in any movement or religion. But I’m much less worried about the actual terrorism than I am the reaction to it: I can easily see, hell, the Home Office is just drooling at the prospect, the continued erosion of our own civil liberties in order to “beat the terrorists”. And that would be a price higher than a few score dead every few years.

True, no one’s actually asking me to be the one to die so that’s quite easy to say but…..

That gangs of imperfectly socialised young men cop a grope at a pop festival….not desirable and of course something should indeed be done. But what worries me far more than that itself is the corruption of the whole policing and criminal justice system that we seem to be seeing. In the name of that political correctness, in order not to give aid to the Swedish Democrats in this case. Which is where the similarity is: it’s not actually the immigrants or the terrorists I worry about. It’s the damage we’re doing to our own rights and societies in the contortions of trying to deal with them.

48 thoughts on “Don’t want to start shouting Sheeple and the like but…..”

  1. “On Monday afternoon, Dan Eliasson, Sweden’s national police commissioner, agreed that the offences were “completely unacceptable” and launched an “immediate internal investigation into any wrongdoing or crimes”.
    “I will be extremely displeased if we held back on any information for political reasons,” he said.”

    It happened on his watch. Are we supposed to believe his direction of the culture of the police force had nothing to do with it?

  2. You are absolutely right Tim. Unfortunately nuanced thoughtful opinions don’t seem to fit the zeitgeist – all we get is hysteria.

  3. There will be any number of comments say quite contrary to Tim’s post hat acutally iy is indwed the muslims themselves we should be worried about, even the odd outraged call to send them back.
    However, when it comes to Rotherham, which boils down to the groom g an exploitation of underage white girls by Asian men, those calls change to a plea for “nuance”.
    So the moral high ground isn’t held here.

    P.S. Tim, I agree with every.word.

  4. There will be any number of comments saying, quite contrary to Tim’s post that acutally it is indeed the muslims themselves we should be worried about, even the odd outraged call to send them back.
    However, when it comes to Rotherham, which boils down to the groom and sexual exploitation of underage white girls by Asian men, those calls change to a plea for “nuance”.
    So the moral high ground isn’t held here.

    P.S. Tim, I agree with every.word.

  5. It’s taken attacks on young women, but the Right Sort of Young Women for this to explode. When it was chavs up in Rochdale, no-one cared. When it’s central Cologne, that’s potentially the daughters of politicians, media types and so forth.

    This is different to terror attacks. The jihadis are a few nutters. The attitude towards women from people from certain societies is very different to ours. It’s not even “women should be chained to the sink” 1950s British attitudes. And I’m not saying *all* muslims, but views like girls don’t need educating isn’t that uncommon.

    It’s going to be fantastic watching right-on people tying themselves in knots trying to say “stop bringing Muslim immigrants here” in a way that doesn’t exactly say that.

  6. Tim, you completely misunderstand the threat posed by islam. There isn’t some rape and murder college that gifted maniacs attend before they go out into the world, they produce so many rapists and killers because their culture APPROVES of that behavior against non muslims. Behind every soldier are 100 planning, logisitics and manufacturing people who do no fighting but make it possible for soldiers to go to war. Islam is the same, their culture and society is a huge wellspring of violence and brutality which nurtures these traits, supports their violent upbringing and wants to see us destroyed. They day muslims control the levers of power you will discover, as a moments reflection might, that there are no “good” muslims. They will vote to enslave us, as they always do anywhere they take control.

  7. So Much For Subtlety

    That some of us will be killed I think inevitable, as 7/7 showed. There always will be nutters in any movement or religion

    It isn’t inevitable. Countries with no Muslims have no Muslim terror. Or sex attacks.

  8. The Gruans editorializing about the undoubted horror of FGM last year, had some truly remarkable omission’s due to the cultural dancing on the head of a pin being performed.

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “However, when it comes to Rotherham, which boils down to the groom and sexual exploitation of underage white girls by Asian men, those calls change to a plea for “nuance”.
    So the moral high ground isn’t held here.”

    So that would make me holding the moral high ground then wouldn’t it? After all I have never called for nuance in dealing with the Rotherham rapes. In fact all I have got from you is abuse for daring to raise this issue.

    So that would be Ian B and BiS calling for nuance. You accusing anyone who mentioned the link between Muslims and sex crimes of being a racist. And me being exactly, 100%, completely right.

    I don’t need an apology. Matthew 18:13. Or more accurately Matthew 18:13 *and* Matthew 18:14.

  10. Progressive politicians appoint police chiefs who parrot their multicultural pieties.

    Police chiefs go soft on crimes committed by favoured groups at the insistence of progressive politicians.

    Public finds out.

    Progressive politicians, being weasels, blame the police chiefs and sack them.

  11. “several of the gang were arrested for sexual harassment”

    What, saying “hello, love” or admiring a photograph?

    “relatively few crimes and few arrests given the number of attendants”

    relative to what? A riot? The Rape of Nanking?

    “I will be extremely displeased if we held back on any information for political reasons”

    Lol. The balls are big on this one.

  12. “That some of us will be killed I think inevitable, as 7/7 showed. ”
    Countries like Poland have shown that it is not inevitable that people will killed by Islamic terrorism.
    However I agree with you the cover up is awful.

  13. I don’t like “its inevitable” arguments. They tend to creep slowly upwards until you reach a point you would be shocked and appalled at ten years previously.

  14. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “Yes, happy to now.”

    Really? Before you explain to us all precisely how right I was?

    Come on, you can do it, just say after me:

    Deus meus, ex toto corde pænitet me omnium meorum peccatorum,
    eaque detestor, quia peccando,
    non solum pœnas a te iuste statutas promeritus sum,
    sed præsertim quia offendi te,
    summum bonum, ac dignum qui super omnia diligaris.
    Ideo firmiter propono,
    adiuvante gratia tua,
    de cetero me non peccaturum peccandique occasiones proximas fugiturum.
    Amen

  15. Absolutely spot on, Mr Black. Islam is the problem. The cult of Mohammed was founded by an evil megalomaniac to control his followers by rules and rewards. Those who wish to be true modern day adherents will follow his words and horrendous example. Islam cannot be reformed, if we don’t want to be ruled by Islam, we must confront it and defeat it. Problem is, anyone who dares point out the origins of Islam and the consequent problems inherently associated with will be shouted down as an Islamaphobic bigot. The truth must not be told.

  16. Whenever Ironman types anything about ‘racism’ he ends up hitting all sorts of very odd keys.

    I suppose it is just about possible to discern the meaning of ‘hat acutally iy is indwed the muslims’.

    🙂

    I assume angry masturbation is to blame (followed by a good Catholic self-flagellation). A fair dose of guilt in there, too.

  17. > “But I’m much less worried about the actual terrorism than I am the reaction to it

    Tha’s the standard left-wing response. That they’re less concerned with terrorism (killing hundreds), than with what white racist thugs might do in response to response to terrorism (say mean things on social media).

  18. Yesterday I has a very detailed discussion with IanB, who was supported by Mr Ecks, both calling for “nuance” regarding Rotherham. You had been engaged in that that thread earlier but, as I said you would, you became very quiet when the call for nuance went up. I think it is because your desire for approval from your gainsay online friends trumps any principle you claim to have.

    And now here you are, safely away from Ecks and Ian and proclaiming your a volute principles. You don’t have them. You are a Thick.Racist.Prick because you.do think hat all muslims inevitably feel this is the right way to behave. You spend your life references silly non-history to support yur bigotry whilst ignoring for example the mass rapes of black slaves in the Caribbean.

    In short, you are a fraud.

  19. Andrew M,

    Ralf Jaeger, interior minister for North Rhine-Westphalia had this to say following NYE in Cologne:

    “What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chatrooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women,”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35248601

    So people saying nasty things about Muslims or Islam is at least as awful as sex crimes, but possibly worse.

  20. “It’s the damage we’re doing to our own rights and societies in the contortions of trying to deal with them.”

    Failing to deal with them. Or perhaps more like, dealing with them in a markedly different manner to the majority population for some poorly defined reason.

    Taking the north of England grooming gangs as an example the initial defence against complaints will have been to shout ‘racism’, ‘islamophobia’ and the like. With seemingly everyone in public office convinced that the great british public is 2 meals away from the final solution that initial defence has a lot of traction.

  21. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “Yesterday I has a very detailed discussion with IanB, who was supported by Mr Ecks, both calling for “nuance” regarding Rotherham. You had been engaged in that that thread earlier but, as I said you would, you became very quiet when the call for nuance went up. I think it is because your desire for approval from your gainsay online friends trumps any principle you claim to have.”

    You talking to me Rusty? Yeah, I just live for Ian B’s approval. Well known for it. It is pathetic that you are using the fact that, you know, I have a life and am not on the internet 24/7 to draw conclusions that make you feel more comfortable. God knows I am extensively on record about sex with children. I am extensively on record disagreeing with Ian and BiS. Nuance is not something I do.

    “And now here you are, safely away from Ecks and Ian and proclaiming your a volute principles.”

    They won’t be far.

    “You are a Thick.Racist.Prick because you.do think hat all muslims inevitably feel this is the right way to behave.”

    Yeah, pretty much. Because pretty much all of them do. And what is more people like you justify them in that belief. You enable these attacks.

    “You spend your life references silly non-history to support yur bigotry whilst ignoring for example the mass rapes of black slaves in the Caribbean.”

    I don’t recall anyone asking me about mass rapes of Black slaves in the Caribbean. Has it ever come up? But nice use of tu quoque. I am impressed. People rarely come on line and claim *theoretical* rapes in the Caribbean 150 years ago justify rapes in Sweden today.

    “In short, you are a fraud.”

    You can say many bad things about me but that is not one of them. You on the other hand are a hypocrite.

  22. DocBud

    “So people saying nasty things about Muslims or Islam is at least as awful as sex crimes, but possibly worse.”

    Given the rather prominent problem they have with neofascists in Germany, along with the depressing fact that east-germany in general has inherited the standard soviet xenofoby, it’s not just “nasty remarks” .

    Mob rule is never pretty. y’know.

  23. Grikath,

    The quote was:

    “What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chatrooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women,”

    Nothing there other than nasty remarks.

  24. The point that needs to be made is that the police and media have been covering up non-white on white violence for years. Cologne was just SOP until it got too big to hide.

  25. Could be because the german right-wingers tend to take a more hands-on approach? Literally?
    They really arent the type to do the Internet Warrioring thing. That’s for chairwarming Lefties.

  26. But I’m much less worried about the actual terrorism than I am the reaction to it: I can easily see, hell, the Home Office is just drooling at the prospect, the continued erosion of our own civil liberties in order to “beat the terrorists”. And that would be a price higher than a few score dead every few years.

    Seems like a solid argument for a moratorium on Muslim immigration, as the average voter is not a libertarian idealogue and will not cheerfully accept periodic episodes of terror and mass rape with such equanimity. Extrensive civil liberties or a large Muslim minority – choose one.

  27. FFS, Grikath, the quote is clearly about internet activity. Right-wing internet activity is at least as awful as sexual crimes is what was said. Just because you are fearful of neo-Nazis does not mean that you should ignore or play down sex crimes about women. That is precisely the way to play into their hands. If people feel the authorities won’t take sex crimes committed by refugees seriously, they’ll be sympathetic to the mob doing it.

  28. Ironman: You tin-ribbed CSMF moronic POS.

    I called for NO “nuanced” response to Rotherham.

    I pointed out that IanB’s actual opinion was that –given the Yewtree-sucking femmi-shite that is knocking around–the number of 1400 might have been padded by including teenaged females who had passed puberty and were looking for a shag of some sort. I pointed out that this might be true and did not constitute approval of paedophile rape and abuse–which it does not anywhere outside of your battered and ordure-filled tin helmet.

    I have written in several dozen comments by now that I don’t actually agree with IanB that the femmi-scum may have been exaggerating the Rotherham figures because the femmi-scum are cultural Marxist vermin and save their lies and hatred for white men exclusively. As witness the femmi-shite of Sweden who piss their knickers in outrage if a white man looks sideways at a female but have fuck-all to say about brutal rapes done by islamics. Indeed Cologne is worse in that the lefti-scum are now DEFENDING sex assaulters and rapists because they are non-white.

    How many more times does it have to be said you brainless tin turd.

  29. Vocative comma please, Mr Ecks. There is no excuse for letting standards slip. Such carelessness could cost us the empire and see us overrun with Muslim hordes.

    Oh, and a question mark too.

  30. “it’s not actually the immigrants or the terrorists I worry about.”

    I don’t really worry at all about the terrorists – I think Bruce Schneier gets that 100% right when he and others talk about “security theatre”. Like many, or perhaps most on here, I am inclined to worry more about Islam’s strategy for the west and no, I don’t actually think there is a big difference between “extreme” Islam and ordinary Islam in that context. The extreme chappies are simply giving us a heads up of what is to come…

    “It’s the damage we’re doing to our own rights and societies in the contortions of trying to deal with them.”

    Too late. Sorry, but too many dribbling idiots / authoritarians / call them what you want as a percentage of the population… We still today have allegedly intelligent people repeating the “nothing to hide, nothing to fear” meme, and more.

    Part of our problem is that the type of person who becomes a politician is basically not (to pursue an earlier thread) in any way “normal”. Because so much of their own life is lived out in a public space, with very little personal privacy, most have no real comprehension of the importance of privacy, and they often treat civil liberties with the same disdain. If most of our political class are of that ilk, how can we reasonably expect them to understand or defend such ideas / concerns. By using issues like Islamic terrorism as an excuse to wilfully try and erode further such liberties, they demonstrate they can not.

    Worryingly, a lot of young people – living more of their lives openly on the internet without properly thinking through the way that they do that – increasingly seem to be sleep walking in the same direction.

    Hence, except for small numbers pushing back personally, I can only see this process going in one direction – boiled frogs all round I’m afraid. But not under Sharia. That’s one area where I do still have confidence that some sort of effective majority will see sense and take some appropriate steps – before it is too late.

  31. ‘It’s the damage we’re doing to our own rights and societies in the contortions of trying to deal with them.’

    Agreed. Governments are generally indifferent to terrorism, but they love to use it as a plausible excuse to violate human rights. The U.S. government has a program of wholesale spying on the citizenry, as revealed by Snowden. It is clearly unconstitutional, relying on blanket warrants.

    But I would say the contortions are in how they justify domestic spying, not in trying to deal with terrorism. I don’t see them trying much at all.

  32. “Police in Sweden have been accused of hushing up a series of sexual assaults…”

    It doesn’t look that different down in the south of Germany either?

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/12/federal-police-break-ranks-complain-orders-from-above-ban-them-from-dealing-with-migrants/

    … Austrian border where thousands of migrants come by train and road every month … “95 percent of refugees are single men”.

    Bernd said in the past months, he had only once had cause to book a German citizen. The rest of his arrests and complaints were against migrants, who he said regularly “sexually harassed” women around the local railway station, the first stop in Germany after the railway crosses from Austria.

    … orders he was under duty to follow … “If a refugee wants to escape our control, we can’t even detain him. This is dictated from above. To do so would be physical violence”.

  33. “I don’t like “its inevitable” arguments. They tend to creep slowly upwards until you reach a point you would be shocked and appalled at ten years previously.”

    I grew up in the 1980’s. If Islam was mentioned once a month in the newspapers I’d have been surprised.

    So how come things have changed so much? Simply put because we allowed millions of them into the country.

    No before Ironprick jumps in and says – that’s racist and they’re not all rapists/drug dealers/vote frauder’s etc. I would agree with you.

    But we have zero mechanism to tell the difference. And it seems the Human Rights laws even stop us doing much after the fact.

    So the question is simply do we want Western civilisation to survive or not? Millions of Muslims will create a Muslim culture.

    Ironprick, name me a majority Muslim country you want to live in?

  34. ‘But we have zero mechanism to tell the difference.’

    But we do have a mechanism to tell that they are all taught to hate us, deceive us, and to kill us. It’s in the book. That some, even most, choose not to act on what they are taught is of no comfort or consequence. Until they remove the hate from the book, Islam should not be tolerated in the West.

  35. There was an article in a Vancouver paper about cologne that started out about how terrible it was that a few were poisoning the well for the majority etc. The writer then proceeded to list a string of encounters he had had in Muslim countries which all showed how bad their attitude to women was, then the article just seemed to fizzle out. Felt like he had given up trying to defend his original premise of a few bad apples and just stopped.

  36. But I’m much less worried about the actual terrorism than I am the reaction to it: I can easily see, hell, the Home Office is just drooling at the prospect, the continued erosion of our own civil liberties in order to “beat the terrorists”.

    But, what we are seeing here (and elsewhere) is exactly the opposite. Rather than trumpet the threat, and then using the fear created to rationalize further removal of liberties, officialdom is down-playing it, and covering it up to avoid exposing their policy failures to date.
    I am more worried about political correctness preventing adequate policing and security than I ever will be about the feared “backlash” that somehow never seems to materialize, even after the worst atrocities.

  37. dcardno

    Sure, ‘right on’ politicians (as in virtually all of them) are downplaying Islam as the threat (including PC preventing adequate policing), as in ‘it has nothing to do with Islam’.

    But, re countering Islamist terrorism (nothing to do with Islam btw) and kiddy fiddlers etc, the latest draft invetigatory powers bill is not exactly ‘down-playing’ the issue…

    Over time, the privacy / civil liberties thing is drip-drip, ideally you are not supposed to take too much adverse notice (ie, boiled frogs)…

    Isn’t that the point that Tim is making?

  38. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I’ve said it before: we need a fucking backlash. A Lepanto-scale one would be nice; something more like the fall of the Khwarazmid Empire would be better.

  39. ‘we need a fucking backlash’

    True. As long as there are no consequences for dastardly behavior, we will get dastardly behavior.

  40. “As long as there are no consequences for dastardly behavior, we will get dastardly behavior.”

    Especially from those whose culture leads them to believe that what we consider to be dastardly behaviour is perfectly acceptable, in fact endorsed by the god they follow, a god invented by their revered prophet, a rapist, pedophile and slaver.

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