Err, yes Will

Merkel and her SPD coalition partners will insist on the rule of law, getting tougher on deportation. There will be no talk of noxious multiculturalism, but instead of cultural coexistence in which the host society’s values are paramount.

When will you be recommending that for here?

And doesn’t that just settle the Rhodes statue issue? Our gaff, our rules.

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  1. So Much For Subtlety

    Merkel and her SPD coalition partners will insist on the rule of law, getting tougher on deportation.

    We can’t do it. The Courts inventive interpretation of the Human Rights Act prevents that. Even if we tried, we can expect every single one of them to appeal for a decade on Legal Aid. Something like a million quid a deportee. Now the French can deport people. Their Courts are not so treasonous. The question is which are the German Courts going to be like? The chances are they will be like us.

    Merkel is not serious. This is to fool the plebs.

    There will be no talk of noxious multiculturalism, but instead of cultural coexistence in which the host society’s values are paramount.

    Like New Labour they will simply rebrand. They won’t change anything else. Cultural Co-existence? Yeah. Multiculturalism. You cannot assimilate the utterly unassimilatible.

    And doesn’t that just settle the Rhodes statue issue? Our gaff, our rules.

    Our rules are “please, come here, treat us like crap, rape our women and take all the money we throw at you”. As long as that has not changed, the Rhodes statue will go.

  2. After Cologne, the uneasy question: is cultural coexistence still possible?

    Betteridge’s law of headlines never fails.

  3. “Merkel is not serious. This is to fool the plebs.”

    Nope. She’s already lost the “plebs”. German politics in this issue in general lost “the plebs” at least two decades ago, if they “had” them at all.

    She’s in danger of losing the moderate liberals, who up until now could be counted on to support the German brand of Cultural Apologetics that prevented the state from actually sending assholes and “refugees” who don’t meet the criteria right back to where they came from.
    And in Germany that’s a *very large* part of the population.

  4. I guess the refugees aren’t part of the European cultural history that recognises that if you humiliate Germans it can end quite badly.

  5. “There will be no talk of noxious multiculturalism, but instead of cultural coexistence in which the host society’s values are paramount.”

    Unless it infringes the rights (whatever they are, and can be invented at will) of the minority in which case the host society’s values are ignored.

  6. Wait until Iran gets the Bomb in a few years, courtesy of Obama. How vigorous do you think our Elites will be then?

  7. Grikath, so long as she keeps the police (who showed up in huge numbers to control yesterday’s protests, unlike their absence on NYE), does it matter if she loses the moderate liberals?

  8. So Much For Subtlety

    Suppose Germany does change. Suppose the Germans re-discover their desire to exist and not disappear from the Earth. Suppose they don’t want Germany to be a Muslim country.

    What is Willie going to do then?

    He has supported Rhineland capitalism and the EU for as long as I can remember. If that capitalism becomes a lot more corporatist and less democratic, if Germany becomes less liberal, will he still love the EU then?

    Is his support for the EU, then, ultimately not about the EU but the liberalism that guides it? Is it just a vehicle for him to express his dislike of Britain and his desire to see us fundamentally changed?

  9. “but wouldn’t it have been better to apply these criteria before they enter the country?”

    That’s been the crux of the matter for decades. But How?

    “Illegality” is in most european nations not a criminal offense, and any attempt to make it so has been met with strong activist response.

    The official protocol is that asylum requests should be lodged in the country of first entry, which for the majority should be Spain, Italy, Greece, and nowadays Turkey.
    Good luck sending them back there if they don’t and apply further down into Europe. None of those countries will accept them. Quite vehemently as well.

    So you end up with a situation where basically a refugee can run around, pick and choose for economic reasons, with preciously little that can be done about it, because the laws and “political sentiments” have actively prevented nations being able to do anything about it.

    And if you do go through the official procedure and get denied status, it takes so long to go through the mill any kids you manage to produce during your stay will be teenagers, and will have grown up in the country, opening *another* can of worms.

    Its too easy to get in, it’s too easy to travel around *when* you get in, and the whole bureaucracy takes too long to process requests.
    And that’s even before the “Boo-Hoo” factor and associated SJW’s comes into play..

    The system has always been broken, and as you’d expect, it would eventually have crashed.
    Which happens to be nowadays.

  10. That’s been the crux of the matter for decades. But How?

    That’s easy. We’ll put Mr Ecks in charge for a period of 6 months, then we’ll put SMFS in charge after that with Ian B appointed as Home Secretary.

  11. The ruling class will not change their view. They are far too far ego invested in it to change now. If Europeans want change, they must vote them out. I wonder how many of the victims voted for “liberal” pro-immigration politicians?

    As I said before, this is only one particular manifestation of a process of decades of anti-white crime and victimisation. The “far right” has been ignored for a long while now talking about, for instance, the rape statistics in Sweden. Everyone has known for a very long time about black criminality, but the only response has been to lecture people that if they are wary of black youths, this is because they are racist.

    The “liberal” elite continue to believe that all bad behaviour by non-whites against whites (or each other), even when they deign to acknowledge it, is reactive to white racism. This theory is fundamental to their belief system. Nothing will change. The victim blaming will continue, even if the buzzwords change, and “multiculturalism” becomes “cultural coexistence”.

    The “liberals” are in damage limitation mode. They are pretending to care. But they do not care. Because all that matters to them is the Crusade.

  12. -JuliaM

    The “moderate liberals” being the bulk of who votes/d her in power? Yes, I’d think so.

    And she’s actually losing support of the lower ranks of the police as well. Quite rapidly.

    Still looking into it, but going by the major newspapers there, based on “anonymous sources within the Kölner police rank and file” it seems the representation of the events as they happened in the media through Official Channels is not quite what happened during that night.
    Peeps did get arrested as/when and it seems it was pretty clear what they were actually dealing with pretty soon into the evening.
    From what I can tell of the stuff I’ve read so far, the plod were presented with a “flash mob” ( of the unfunny variety) with quite a bit of deliberation and organisation behind it.
    Which in and of itself raises a couple of other questions.

    for instance:

    http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/koeln-das-steht-im-internen-polizeibericht-zur-silvesternacht-a-1070837.html

    And yes, it’s in german. 😛

  13. Said it before. All power depends on the aquiesence of the Mum of the guard on the Palace gates. She’s getting mighty tetchy.

  14. By accident or design, the UK approach to most immigration has worked out well. We grant relatively few asylums. The mainland EU grants more applications, and when the immigrant has their shiny new EU passport they can come to the UK to work.
    Migration for work is one of the greatest human success stories.
    The net result in theory is that Arabic and North Africans who’ve come to the UK on an EU passport should be decent working people, but by subtraction those who remain in the EU country granting asylum are likely to form more benefit dependent communities. Molenbeek springs to mind.

  15. ‘You cannot assimilate the utterly unassimilatible.’ – SMFS

    This is true. Islam is incompatible with Western values. ‘Coexist’ means bide their time until they can overthrow the culture.

  16. Philip Scott Thomas

    bis –

    All power depends on the aquiesence of the Mum of the guard on the Palace gates.

    Nanny Ogg?

  17. Where is Ironman? He needs to point out that you lot are all racists.

    (His ilk will still be pointing this out as their own daughters are being raped, and then they will meekly submit to the knife. They think they’re atoning for some original sin or other I suspect.)

  18. What I don’t get is simply what does Europe gain from importing Muslims?

    1) It’s not obliged to.
    2) They’re not well educated
    3) Their employment numbers suck
    4) They abuse welfare
    5) Sharia etc sucks ass

    If Europe needs workers why not invite the Chinese? Or more Indians? Would Germany have these issues if it had let in 1M chinese?

    Anyway you cut it mass Muslim migration is completely self destructive.

    I understand virtue signalling and all that but these people cannot be that blind?

  19. It would be unreasonable to return them to Greece, as Greece did not act like an emoting luvvie in full Oscars mode in issuing an open invitation – Germany did.

    Germany didn’t look even one move ahead and now has a fucking serious problem, which Germany will have to deal with. If I was Greek I’d tell them to fuck off (quite a popular pastime down there at the moment).

  20. Hopefully the phasers will be on stun when being Home Secretary causes you to become a megalomaniac, Ian B, you can then be incarcerated with Herbert Lom in some French sanitorium.

  21. SMFS:

    “Like New Labour they will simply rebrand. They won’t change anything else. Cultural Co-existence? Yeah. Multiculturalism. You cannot assimilate the utterly unassimilatible.”

    Exactly.

  22. “So you end up with a situation where basically a refugee can run around, pick and choose for economic reasons”

    Sign agreement with say Somalia or Sudan and pay them XXX Euros for each accepted refugee, help establish refugee camps. Put all new arrives on the planes and drop them in their new safe country.

    That’s what Australia did with Pacific and later PNG solution and it worked as a charm.

  23. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Perhaps we can persuade the Mongols to do some more Mongol-y stuff, but stop at the borders of Hungary this time. They can depopulate Turkey as a consolation prize.

  24. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “That’s easy. We’ll put Mr Ecks in charge for a period of 6 months, then we’ll put SMFS in charge after that with Ian B appointed as Home Secretary.”

    Put me in the Home Office for six months and we will have crime rates like the 1950s for a generation.

    I wonder if this is the start of a German Spring? We need a change.

  25. IanB

    “As I said before, this is only one particular manifestation of a process of decades of anti-white crime and victimisation. The “far right” has been ignored for a long while now talking about, for instance, the rape statistics in Sweden. Everyone has known for a very long time about black criminality, but the only response has been to lecture people that if they are wary of black youths, this is because they are racist.”

    Yes yes, but you haven’t said before if that anti-white crime includes the goings on in Rotherham. Or was that just lads be g attracted to.consenting women? I did ask you about those consenting 15-year-old the other day, buy you go sddenly and unusually silent when Rotherham is discussed don’t you.

  26. Ironman,

    What I said about Rotherham was that yes, rape is wrong. But that I was concerned that every case of a teenager having sex before 18 if they were on social services’ books was being swept up into the “1400” number, that even the official report noted large numbers of “victims” who refused to consider themselves victims despite pressure from social workers and therapists, and that people were forming opinions based on summarised summaries of summaries.

    It is nice that people are reacting now that nice white girls are getting groped. Around 1980 at my school a white girl was so badly beaten by a black (female) mob after what would now be called “dissing” a black girl, that she never came back to our school. Anti-white crime has been a consistent result of mass immigration, and largely enabled by people like you saying anyone who mentions it is a thick.racist.prick.

  27. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “Yes yes, but you haven’t said before if that anti-white crime includes the goings on in Rotherham.”

    Some of us did. This thread is not about Ian. It is about you.

  28. In 1980 blah blah fucking unconnected.
    Sorry mate, the girls in Rotherham weren’t forced. They were girls of an age you have said often is OK for sex. So go on, be a man and say Rotherham was OK.

  29. So Much For Subtlety

    john77 – “Rotherham was NOT OK regardless of age or colour.
    End of story.”

    Actually he probably doesn’t think it was. You need to tell him that pointing it out was not racism and even if it was, that racism was a lesser evil that the grooming and gang rape of young girls.

  30. Ironman, you fucking retard.

    I expressed myself at enormous length in the threads discussing that issue. I have just summarised my view for you again. If you have not understood so far, you’re not going to understand now.

    If you think you can achieve something with your “have you stopped beating your wife?” style of demanding yes or no answers, I cannot help you further.

  31. Been busy today.

    If I was in charge for six months I would be in charge for the rest of my life by genuine popular acclaim.

    “For lo! the days are hastening on,
    By prophet-bards foretold,
    When with the ever circling years
    Comes round the age of gold”

    There would probably be several million twats who would be VERY unhappy about it all–but who gives a shit about them.

  32. John77
    No, Rotherham was not alright and it isn’t racism to say do. And it isn’t racism either to point out the near-unique ethnic background of the perpetrators and to challenge that ethnic grouping to sort out its own problem and bring itself up to the standards of the rest of the nation. The same with the Arab gangs in Cologne.

    My point is that IanB doesn’t think what they did was wrong. But he wants you all to like him, so doesn’t want to say so. So he makes deflecting statements such as “rape is wrong” when he knows the girls weren’t directly coerced. He discusses 17-year-old to avoid discussing 14 and 15-year-old. He screams “retard” at me and goes on claim he has after all provided a full answer “at great length” ( when did he ever not go on at great length?) as a mechanism to claim he need say no more and the discussion should now be shut down. And he uses the “Well if you can’t understand it that’s not my problem” line to attempt the same.

    All in all, he is a little squirrel, a million miles from the ‘speak truth to power’ hero he would like to be.

  33. TinRibs: Absolute horseshit.

    IanB pointed out that SOME (You get the some:all distinction? Or did miss that at infants school–perhaps you were too busy being molested) of the figures from Rotherham may have been exaggerated by the same femmi-bullshiters and their fellow-travellers pushing Yewtree etc. He might be right. Teenage girls–get that again Numbnuts–teenage girls not little kids– who are old enough to have discovered sex will seek out men to try out the equipment or even for some kind of relationship. That is a fact. Pointing that out is evidence of nothing except a greater grasp on reality than you. Not that that would be difficult. Your claim that IanB has ever supported abusing females of any age let alone underage ones is a disgraceful lie.

  34. Thanks, Ecks.

    Ironman knows full well what I think. He knows full well because despite the futility of it, I have repeatedly given him thorough, reasoned answers to his ranty attacks.

    My point about not having a “yes or no” answer to “what went on in Rotherham” is that it seems to me that a lot of things went on in Rotherham and you cannot pull them all under the same umbrella phenomenon; as I pointed out, this includes testimony from purported “victims” who insisted that they had not been victimised, and were simply dismissed as Stockholm Syndrome etc.

    Where rape, abuse, coercion and so forth occurred, regardless of age, of course I condemn that, and it is good and right and proper that perpetrators have been brought to court and punished.

    But nothing I say will change Ironman’s mind, since he is incapable of rational consideration of any subject.

  35. Just to clarify, I missed out a “the” before the “perpetrators” in the third paragraph and it specifically refers to the Rotherham groups of men, not just in general.

  36. IanB

    Actually it is really simple. Those Asian men in Rotherham targeted and groomed underage white girls, usually but not.always in care. Yes, there were a few cases ofnon-consensual forced sex and, yes, there were few girls nearer 18 than 14. The substance though is that underage girls, most usually white girls, we’re persuaded into sexual relations by gangs og adult Asian ‘boyfriends’.

    Just say that was wrong.

  37. We’ve commented gleefully and often.on this blog this week of how multiculturalism trumps feminism when the two collide.

    Here we are though with the mirror question: what happens when racism collides with misogyny? The answer from Ecks and IanB seems to be misogyny wins.

  38. Ah, Ironman follows the SJW mantra,

    “When in doubt, throw ad hominems about”.

    Nice attempt to get me to agree with your narrative by implication there, Mr Rusty. It might have worked on somebody as dim as you. You should try debating on Twitter, it’s more your level.

  39. For the record I too understood exactly what Ian B meant regarding his misgivings about the ‘1400 girls abused in Rotherham’ figure that was thrown around, and ill behoves Ironman to accuse him of being an apologist for child abuse. Bang out of order.

  40. Hello Jim, do you think he needs your help?

    IanB only has to say “The grooming and exploitation, with a strong racial undertone, of underage girls in Rotherham was wrong, just wrong”.

    I can do that, not an issue for me. That it was wrong is self-evident to me. Now how about IanB?

  41. I don’t know how long it’s going to take to get it through that tin skull of yours that I’m not playing that game.

  42. I thought as much. You mistake this little online community for real life. And your desire to be liked by these online, er, friends means you cannot say what you think. So you squirm and wriggle and try to deflect and dismiss your dirty little secret as ‘ a game’.

    You won’t say it’s wrong because you don’t think it was wrong. You don’t accept there was any scandal in Rotherham at all.

    Don’t worry, you’re not alone. SMFS has screamed blue murder about Rotherham because he wants to highlight the race angle. Now though, with Ironman playing with IanB, he has decided to stay quiet. He agrees with me, buy also believes this online world is somehow real. So he keeps quiet.

    And one last thing IanB:

    12.34am “You fucking retard”
    3.04pm “throwing ad hominems about”. Jesus wept!

  43. You being such a pendant, TinRibs, you ought to know that that’s an insult not an ad hominem.

    I haven’t got a dirty little secret. I have clearly, repeatedly and entirely stated my position on these issues ad nauseam, part of which is that I do not think (this is an opinion, since none of us have enough facts) that your characterisation is a good one in terms of reflecting reality. Ergo, I cannot give a simple “agree” to your condemnation of “what went on” because I think there is more to “what went on”.

    I certainly do think there was a scandal in Rotherham. I certainly do think that some very bad things, which I (once again, sigh) condemn wholeheartedly, went on. But when you are dealing with a social group in which the commencement of sexual activity is routinely early compared to middle class preferences- “gymslip mums” being a standard situation for the tabloids for decades- with teenagers who were known to social services precisely because they were so wayward that their parents could not control them even if they tried, girls who would indeed be routinely denounced as slappers by Daily Mail-ites under other circumstances, the narrative needs more nuance and debate.

    Not something you’re capable of, I know, since you just attach yourself to whichever mob is loudest and shoutiest, but that doesn’t mean I have to descend to your level.

    Are you going to finally have the iron balls to actually state what you think this dirty little secret of mine is, by the way?

  44. Aah at last, something close to honesty.
    No, the Rotherham story wasn’t forced sex and it certainly wasn’t 17 year old girls. Rotherham was about the groom g of underage girls. You have just told us that you do not believe it was wrong.

    So no, you don’t see a scandal. Such a pity them that you seem so unusually quiet when others have been trying to link Rotherham to Cologne (For the record I think they are one and he same).

    “since you just attach yourself to whichever mob is loudest and shoutiest,”
    Really? Do I? On this blog?

    Oh, and your dirty little secret in this context was trying not to say you.couldn’t see the problem with Rotherham. No worries.rhough your secret is out now.

  45. You:

    So no, you don’t see a scandal.

    Me:

    I certainly do think there was a scandal in Rotherham. I certainly do think that some very bad things, which I (once again, sigh) condemn wholeheartedly, went on.</blockquote

    You fucking retard.

    And linking "Rotherham to Cologne" misses the point. What I said was that Cologne (and one could add, Rotherham) are just the tip of an iceberg of crime, violence, fear and social disruption that has resulted from decades of forced mass immigration, against which anyone speaking out has been villified by people like you. The only time racial violence is allowed to be spoken about is when it's whites killing somebody black, as with Stephen Lawrence.

    The burden of BME violence against whites has been dismissed. The Rotherham dismissal of complaints, by focussing on underage sex (as you lot love to do) misses this point. Muggings, knifings, shootings, rapes, gang violence, theft, all of it ignored by social justice types determined to "victim-blame" it on white oppression and racism.

    In that context, the mass groping/steaming in Cologne et al is just the latest symptom. It's the latest symptom of host countries run by people with beliefs like you whose own native populations are now unsafe due to hostile incomer populations. But don't worry, we made an example of Rolf Harris for grabbing a girl's tits 40 years ago. Sorted.

  46. “What I said was that Cologne (and one could add, Rotherham) are just the tip of an iceberg of crime”

    It can’t be the ‘tip of an iceberg’ if it isn’t ice mate. If you don’t think it was wrong and need to go hunting around the edges for stuff to condemn – and let’s remember you DON’T think what happened in Rotherham was wrong; you think most of it was fine – then you can’t use it as evidence of an anti-white crime epidemic.

    Btw; I thought you weeen’t playing my game!

  47. Your failure to comprehend what I write really isn’t my problem, Ironman. I write something and then you “interpret” it as saying the exact opposite in the next comment. If I were to write “I am certain the Holocaust happened” you’d claim I’d said I’m a Holocaust Denier in your next comment.

    That’s enough for this thread. Stuff to do.

  48. You know what Ironman? You make such a fuss about IanB when everybody else understands what he’s going on about, that I think you’re a fucking paedo. Yes, that’s it. You shag five year olds you poisonous saffer cunt. God knows, So Much for Fucking Stupidity is a cunt but he was right to say that the Brits shouldn’t have let you in. Fuck you.

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