Frances has her critics it seems

OK, so it’s Reddit, and not necessarily the most sane part of it, although this is even more odd.

But seriously? The Cologne attacks were made by paying locals to pretend to be immigrants so as to stir up anti-immigrant feelings?

Quite apart from anything else isn’t that rather overestimating the intelligence of those in Pegida?

Elsewhere the American fascists have picked up on it. First comment: only a Jew could have said such a thing.

Yup, rather over estimating the intelligence of Pegida and allies.

62 thoughts on “Frances has her critics it seems”

  1. On reflection, the interesting thing about this is that it’s made news because it’s young women under threat. Which is valid, but perhaps ignores the elephant in the room, which is…

    (Before anyone calls me a racist, yes, okay, whatever)

    …that white societies have borne an enormous burden of ethnic crime for decades. As I pointed out in another thread, this seems to have been to some degree a new twist on “steaming”; mass ethnic street theft with, this time, distraction by groping. And fireworks to get people running about.

    Decades of muggings, gangs in open warfare, thirty years after PC Blakelock was hacked to bits, the current American fashion for mass theft by black gangs mobbing malls (and the sucker punching of whites craze), and now we get upset because they’ve moved onto grabbing girls’ tits.

    It’s good if this wakes more people up. But it is, one might say, the tit of the iceberg. An iceberg everyone has been in denial about for a very long time.

    Ironman will now (presumably) call me a thick.racist.prick, and a paedophile, or something.

  2. Ms Coppola has lost her marbles. Lets hope that lovely Rochester’s share of migrants move in right next door to her.

    Likewise Tim I see no grounds for your snidery about an organisation that recognises a clear danger–teeming millions of fecund, tax-supported imports.And is trying to do something about it despite the entire cultural Marxist shite of Europe being ranged against them.

    Like the fragrant Francis I doubt that is much cultural enrichment round your way yet. Perhaps they don’t like sardines. Perhaps if your missus –or whatever–gets a little imported digital exploration your attitude might change a bit.

  3. She is on a one-woman moral crusade to have England enriched. Last August she stated that the UK was a xenophobic country. And that we should learn to be less xenophobic by taking lots of immigrants. How many immigrants does she have living in her large house ?

  4. One also cannot help but wonder how many of these young people voted idealistically for open borders politicians, or even joined the Welcome Choirs.

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    Quite apart from anything else isn’t that rather overestimating the intelligence of those in Pegida?

    The people in charge of Germany have allowed a million Muslims into the country this year.

    Yeah. Pegida are the dumb ones.

  6. To echo what Ecks said, the disgrace is that – if Pegida is really made up of thickos – that it has fallen to them to state what nobody else will. It’s the same disgrace that saw Nick Griffen as the only one willing to speak the truth on what was happening in Rotherham.

    I’d be half-minded to vote for a nasty, vicious, far-right party if I thought the one issue they were going to address was the most important one facing us right now: you can always kick them out later. I suspect we’re not far off a large number of Europeans willing to do just that over immigration, and Trump seems to have cottoned onto the same in America. If things keep going as they are, all other political issues bar this one are going to become irrelevant.

  7. Is that the same Frances who sometimes frequents this parish?

    Looks like she may be going through some personal stuff.

    Hope she feels better soon.

  8. It’s very Old Testament to insist that I be punished for the fact that my ancestors several hundred years ago were… well, down-trodden starving povety-stricken peasants, actually. Just happened to live in England and just happen to have pale skin, which makes them guilty, and yea! to the n’th generation thereof.

  9. IanB: Agreed.

    However to try and characterise the Cologne-fest as a bit of groping to cover robbery plays into the lies of middle-class Marxist scum.

    Lets say that I decide to extend this months budget by a bit of thieving. I seek out an attractive women, slam her into a wall, jam my figures into her every orifice and steal her purse.

    Of course I am sure–esp in view of my privileged status as a white male–that the authorities will say “Well it wasn’t really a sexual assault/digital rape etc. He was only touching her up to cover what amounts to petty theft. So that’s what we should label his crime as–just petty theft with a bit of naughtiness attached.”

    Such a credible scenario isn’t it. And poor Rolf and Stuart Hall are like to die in jail for what exactly? (Assuming the two were guilty which I do NOT)

  10. Ecks-

    I’m not excusing that. If it’s a sexual assault, it’s a sexual assault. If it’s a premediated gang sex assault with malice aforethought, that’s what it is. It also seems clear that if some of these gropes were purely for theft-distraction, others were not and apparently there was at least one rape.

    But let us not forget that outside the “far right” alternative media, the appalling rape epidemic, many of them rapes with extreme violence, in Sweden is still being ignored. Recognising the problem in Cologne is perhaps a recognition that a tipping point has been passed. But there is much more to this story, decades of it. That was my point.

  11. What happened New Year’s Eve will not change anyone’s views. People who dislike Pegida etc will only change their view if thousands are killed in terrorism (and probably not even then).

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    Steve – “To be fair, it’s easy to get them confused.”

    Well put Yasir Arafat in a kippah and he could pass as Jewish. Even a caricature of a Jew.

    But they do kind of have a point. Jews have lived among Christians for a long time. Usually in a state of fear to varying degrees. They would be foolish not to keep that in mind.

    So of course they are likely to support higher immigration and a multicultural society. It would take a particularly dim Jewish person not to realise they are safer as one minority among many than as the only minority in a mono-cultural society.

    Presumably that is why so many of them become Communists too.

  13. SMFS–Importing more of your deadly enemies is not a survival tactic in my book

    When was the last time White Britons threw a pogrom?

  14. SMFS-

    The problem with that strategy as it turned out was that in involved importing people who hate Jews far far more than the natives.

  15. So Much For Subtlety

    Mr Ecks – “Importing more of your deadly enemies is not a survival tactic in my book”

    Some people hate their fellow Britons more than they fear Islamists.

    “When was the last time White Britons threw a pogrom?”

    Ireland, do they count? Then that would be around the time of the last war.

    Ian B – “The problem with that strategy as it turned out was that in involved importing people who hate Jews far far more than the natives.”

    They are not attacking Jewish women. They do not live in Jewish neighbourhoods. You would think it was dumb, but in the end, the majority community is going to pay, not the other minorities. In the US both communities vote for the Democrats. In Britain they both vote Labour. More or less.

    The test, of course, is Israel. Jewish people who support open borders and multiculturalism for the West often do not for Israel. Suddenly border walls, deportation and ethnic solidarity makes sense.

  16. I see Tommy Robinson was involved with starting a UK version of Pegida… And was hauled of to jail two days later on a charge that the authorities had previously dropped.

    Ho, hum.

  17. According to my contacts in Israel lots more Jews on the continent are seeing the writing on the wall and moving or planning their move to Israel.

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    Ian B – “They’re attacking Jews in general though.”

    It would depend on who any individual feared more – the Christians or the Jihadis. A lot of Jews have feared the Christians a lot more. That is probably why Jewish historians have traditionally been so tough on Spain for instance – and glorified Muslim Spain.

    Since the 1990s, some Jews have been going the other way. The Guardian doesn’t have many Jewish writers left now they have embraced Hamas. People like Aaronovitch are now making the Times the Guardian-lite. Suddenly Muslim Spain turns out not to be so nice.

    I don’t think there is a community consensus but perhaps one will emerge over time.

  19. Kevin B–The brazen political persecution of Robinson is sickening.

    If they had done to some leftist one tenth of what they have pulled on him it would be a worldwide cause celebre.

  20. Let’s hope they take Barbara Lerner Spectre with them.

    “Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.”

    Jewish American. What the fuck is she doing playing a “leading role” in the “transformation” of Sweden?

  21. Later on she switched (on Twitter) to thinking it was ISIS behind it all.

    What gets me is her belief that they have no moral agency. If drunk white men had done this she would never have thought, even for a fraction of a second, that they were the unknowing dupes of dark forces manipulating them.

    It is a massive mental blind spot for the Left. They simply do not believe these people are adults or normal humans. To even acknowledge otherwise would blow their worldview to smithereens, so it must be resisted at all costs.

    Anyway, all I can say is thank god it wasn’t the Jews being blamed. ISIS/Pegida/Big Food adds a quirky wrinkle to an otherwise depressing and perfectly normal conspiracy theory brain fart.

  22. IanB: Lets hope she makes the transfer to digital real soon.

    Tho’ even then she is probably to stupid and full of hate to see the light. She’d say it was by a team in blackface.

  23. Almost as nutty was the German Interior Minister saying yesterday that discussions about the groping on “right wing” websites were as bad as the crimes themselves. Just marvel on that.

    For years we have been told what a hideous crime sexual abuse is. Now we are told it is exactly like people discussing it. Bit of an own goal for the Proggies I would have thought.

  24. Tim Newman,

    “I’d be half-minded to vote for a nasty, vicious, far-right party if I thought the one issue they were going to address was the most important one facing us right now: you can always kick them out later.”

    Best of all, even if they don’t win, they scare the other parties into dealing with it, parties with a liberal, tolerant outlook (but who are naive about some of the people coming here).

    And what a lot of these people don’t grasp is the make up of groups like the EDL and Pegida. Sure, there are some racists in there, maybe even a majority, but some of them aren’t. Some people have a serious concern about Muslims, and I don’t believe it’s entirely unwarranted. 28% of Muslims want Sharia law in this country. That’s not in any way the same damn thing as Jamaicans coming off a boat or Indians flying in from Uganda.

  25. Frances Coppola? She’s normally so sane.

    To be fair to her, she doesn’t say which side she thinks it was “orchestrated” by.

  26. the Stigler

    Depends on what one means by Sharia. In civil cases, we already have Sharia, just as we do Rabbinical courts. This is the freedom to contract under common law – if both parties agree to a particular format, that is generally upheld. Sharia should never interfere with the criminal law nor should it be imposed on parties. One of the big issues is over women’s rights in Sharia; It might be best if Sharia was excluded from family law issues.

  27. I was sorry to see she got subjected to racist abuse on Twitter for this.

    Sorry, mainly, because it then allowed her to indulge in some shroud waving and victimhood complex about ‘them all being out to get her because of remarks taken out of context’.

    Everyone knows you never go full retard…

  28. So Much For Subtlety

    Rob – “Almost as nutty was the German Interior Minister saying yesterday that discussions about the groping on “right wing” websites were as bad as the crimes themselves. Just marvel on that.”

    What our rulers all share in common is an unshakeable belief that the problem is us. Every time there is a terror attack, they immediately go on the news to make sure that we don’t do anything. They do not rush to do anything about the terrorism. They rush to calm the White lynch mob that always seems imminent but for some reason never forms. Even George W. did it. The German Minister was just being consistent.

    ken – “One of the big issues is over women’s rights in Sharia; It might be best if Sharia was excluded from family law issues.”

    I don’t see why. Family law is vile. If observant Jews or observant Catholics – or observant Muslims – wish to opt out of the Western court system for their own courts and laws, all power to them I say.

    The problem is not what they want to do to each other. The problem is what they are doing to us.

  29. I

    “To be fair to her, she doesn’t say which side she thinks it was “orchestrated” by.”

    She did on Twitter – first Pegida and “far-right” groups, then later ISIS.

  30. Surreptitious Evil

    I’d be half-minded to vote for a nasty, vicious, far-right party if I thought the one issue they were going to address was the most important one facing us right now: you can always kick them out later.”

    First, you’d have to find one.

    People only think they exist because “nationalist and bigoted” is treated as “right wing” by the MSM meme factory. In fact, most of the “extreme right wing” parties, have social (if you are not a member of the out-group), welfare, and economic policies well to the left of, say, the British Tories. Who, as is generally agreed here, aren’t particularly right-wing at the moment (or conservative.)

    Even UKIP have lurched leftwards.

  31. First, you’d have to find one.

    Indeed. So when one finally pops up somewhere in Europe, we mind find a few million have voted for it in the blink of an eye.

  32. People like Francis only think of these migrants in terms of being a weapon against their domestic political enemies, so they can’t conceive of there being any downside to inviting them all in. If they’re a little on the rapey side, so what, we’ll sort that out after the real bad guys – white conservatives – are defeated.To those who get sexually assaulted in the meantime, well, you can’t make a scrumptious Social Justice omelette without breaking an egg or three.

  33. This is all a distraction from the real issue anyway, the one at the forefront of establishment feminism – how to get the female part of the top 0.1% of the population into the bits currently occupied by the male part of the top 0.1%.

  34. You can vote Tory for progressive, PC, immigrationist, etc government, or vote Labour for progressive, PC, immigrationist etc government. It’s hardly much of a test of socio-political attitudes in that regard.

    So the choice comes down to how wealthy you are, since the Labours will be more likely to shift the tax burden onto direct taxes and the Tories will be more likely to shift the tax burden onto indirect taxes. Plus the Tories will blame everything on lazy welfare recipients, if that turns you on.

    SJWs are spoiled for choice. Nobody else has a main party to vote for at all.

  35. “You can vote Tory for progressive, PC, immigrationist, etc government, or vote Labour for progressive, PC, immigrationist etc government.”

    The same tired accusation of equivalence there, IanB. For example…If you think a PM Miliband would be even trying to reduce to immigration, you are deluded; but Cameron is at least trying. Miliband would simply have followed Merkel’s lead, knowing that immigrants vote Labour.

    And as for lazy welfare recipients, there’s undoubtedly a problem with welfare dependency and its costs, and this government is doing more about it than any previous one. Labour would have continued to increase the handouts, printing or borrowing money to fund it.

  36. Anyhoo, watching the MSM it now seems that other countries’ police are doing a “cor, stap me vitals!” on discovering sexual assault waves. After years of denouncing the “far right” for talking about the immigrant/Islamic rape epidemic, notably in Sweden. I believe the Swedes sent one chap to jail for simply publishing the statistics on his website IIRC.

    Looks like turning into a sort of pan-European Rotherham. Expect “lessons to be learned”, and nothing to be done about the root cause.

  37. For example…If you think a PM Miliband would be even trying to reduce to immigration, you are deluded; but Cameron is at least trying.

    If you believe that, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you. The purpose of the Tory Party on these issues is to sucker people like you into voting for them, so they can do nothing whatsoever.

    I bet you believe Cameron is currently negotiating a better deal for Britain in the EU as well, and will believe him when he says he’s won so much we don’t need to leave.

    The Tory Party has been committed to mass immigration since at least the late 1960s. It is not going to change now.

    As to welfare dependency, the Tories could try not wrecking the fucking economy for a bit. Instead, you get random removal of benefits from people, a bizarre policy which means they either

    (a) want to starve people who need benefits to death or

    (b) don’t believe they need the benefits at all, in which case why were they getting them in the first place?

    That’s what you get when you put a man as profoundly stupid as Iain Duncan Smith in charge of something.

  38. Is there no limit Theo to how much Blue Bilge you will swallow before you give up defending Mr Phig-pFooker?

    Is he hellaslike trying to stop immigration. He is doing a huge amount of huffing and puffing to try and convince the mugs that he is trying to stop it. But as Yoda said “Do or Do Not”. Where I PM it would be stopped within a week if I had to turn out the military.

    “And as for lazy welfare recipients, there’s undoubtedly a problem with welfare dependency and its costs, and this government is doing more about it than any previous one. Labour would have continued to increase the handouts, printing or borrowing money to fund it.”

    This shower have organised a few cosmetic cuts. But they stand by wringing their hands while ever greater numbers of never-contributed-and-never-will migrants arrive. Thus the bill keeps going up and they keep printing and borrowing to pay for it.

    While that empty, grinning. gurning skull Osbourne blows hard about his triumph over ZaNu occasioned by stealing their moronic minimum wage shite.

    The whole “What-horrors-would-Milliboy-have-brung” routine is getting old very fast Theo. And the antics of BluLab are aging it faster than drinking, smoking or Brazil-based prossies ever could.

    Here is a link showing how well a British Businesses is faring under the wonderous husbandry and careful tender care of BluLab.

    http://www.cityunslicker.co.uk/2016/01/last-one-out-turn-off-lights.html

  39. I heard David Cameron on the radio two or three days ago, defending “the religion of peace” (sic) without even laughing.

    Call Me Dhimmi is part of the problem.

  40. I expect Theo finds fantasising about rimming Cameron’s asshole provides the stimulation needed to service his blue rinse wife. (It’s the only explanation I can come up with)

  41. So Much For Subtlety

    Theophrastus – “Not so. Nearly 70% of Jews voted Conservative at the last election.”

    Well no. Nearly 70% of a tiny sample of Jewish readers of a conservative (with small c) Jewish newspaper *said* they would vote Tory.

    Theophrastus – “If you think a PM Miliband would be even trying to reduce to immigration, you are deluded; but Cameron is at least trying. Miliband would simply have followed Merkel’s lead, knowing that immigrants vote Labour.”

    I agree that a PM Miliband Major or Minor, would not seek to reduce immigration. Nor is Cameron. He is not even trying. The present budget requires a million new incomers. Cameron simply lies about it.

    “Labour would have continued to increase the handouts, printing or borrowing money to fund it.”

    As are the Tories. Ian really does have a point. The Tories at the moment are to the Left – and more irresponsible on fiscal policy – to some Labour governments.

    We need a government that does not hate us. The rest is detail. If that meant the BNP, then they would be a better option.

  42. I just had a dark thought. Maybe it’s not the Marxists, or the Puritans, or the Jews, or any of the conspiracy favourites. Maybe the lesson of democracy is that the inevitable result is a government that hates its own electorate.

  43. All I am opposing is the silly and irrational idea that Cameron and Corbyn, Labour and Conservatives, are equally bad. They aren’t. That doesn’t mean I’m a Cameron fan. And come what may, I’ll be voting to leave the EU.

  44. Theo–You were comparing Camoron with Millibong.

    Corbyn is another kettle of fish altogether. Phig-Fook is slow motion death.

    Corbyn is a senile Professor Zoom.*

    *The evil Reverse-Flash for those of you who did not learn to read via Detective Comics.

  45. So Much For Subtlety

    Theophrastus – “All I am opposing is the silly and irrational idea that Cameron and Corbyn, Labour and Conservatives, are equally bad. They aren’t.”

    Name one thing that Cameron has done to reduce immigration to this country. Especially illegal immigration. Name one thing that Miliband proposed to do on immigration that Cameron has not in fact done.

    All Cameron has done is talk. He has control of the Parliament. He could pass any law he likes. He even took back the non-British resident from Guantanamo. He wants another million illegals in this country.

  46. Name one thing that Cameron has done to reduce immigration to this country. Especially illegal immigration.

    Funding refugee camps in Jordan, and arguing against Merkel’s ill-conceived policy.

    Name one thing that Miliband proposed to do on immigration that Cameron has not in fact done.

    It is reasonable to assume that both Miliband and Corbyn would, if in power, have followed Merkel’s lead and invited a million Syrian economic migrants into the UK. After all, it would be Labour’s interest.

    So there is one significant difference between the Conservatives and Labour. However inadequate Cameron may be in most respects, Labour and the Conservatives are not equivalent or identical.

    And, by the way, however inadequate my evidence that UK Jews overwhelmingly voted Conservative in the 2015 GE, there is exactly zero evidence that a majority of them voted Labour in 2015 or even 2010.

  47. SMFS- “they do kind of have a point. Jews have lived among Christians for a long time. Usually in a state of fear to varying degrees… It would take a particularly dim Jewish person not to realise they are safer as one minority among many than as the only minority in a mono-cultural society…so many of them become Communists too [as in, 95% of early NKVD commissars]”

    And Jews should be in white countries, why?

  48. I think the idea is not that “the Cologne attacks were made by paying locals to pretend to be immigrants” but rather something like this:

    “The Cologne attacks were instigated by FSB paying immigrants in order to create some mischief for Western countries and make life easier for Vlad”.

    At least that’s what I’ve read elsewhere. That’s not entirely insane (Russia/FSB and al-Assad are chums and no doubt there are a few people among the migrants who are happy to report back to Bashar – if not, Bashar would be stupid) , but when some people have the narrative that *this is why we shouldn’t do anything about it*, that’s the crazy part.

    (About the latter I could provide links but not in English).

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