Here’s an idea

Authorities in the German city of Cologne are to set up a “safe zone” for women during the annual carnival which begins next week, to avoid a repeat of the New Year sex attacks on women.

Why not turn the whole city into a safe area? Heck, the whole country?

154 thoughts on “Here’s an idea”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    The government has failed to protect us from those who prey on us. Both from outside the country and from inside. They have let the latter out of prison and they have invited the former into the country.

    People will retreat to somewhere defensible. Across London people are fencing off their streets if they can. They are putting bars across their windows.

    It will fail, of course. Sheep were born to be eaten. We have opted to become Moriori. All because we are too afraid of being called racist by the likes of Rusty to say the obvious – the first task of the government is to protect young children. Our governments have comprehensively failed us. We are Eloi waiting for the barbeque.

  2. “Staffed with social workers?”

    Haha. Yes, as a matter of fact. Is there a problem that can’t be solved with more social workers?

  3. Purdah, coming to a town near you.

    As I said before, this is all very well, being concerned for women regarding sex assaults. But we must put this in a context of decades of being branded racist for even observing an ethnic correlation with other forms of street crime etc.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    Incidentally I am listening to CNN talking, as we speak, about a new scholarship scheme in South Africa – it is conditional on girls being virgins. They must submit to regular inspections through their university career.

    CNN started off by pointing out that this is “cultural”.

    I look forward to the Ulster Unionists or the Wee Frees offering a similar scholarship and getting a similar level of respectful treatment.

  5. “They are putting bars across their windows”

    That wasn’t that uncommon a couple of decades ago. Also the idea of gated communities has been imported from SA and USA. They’re not there to protect against your so-imagined hordes of the apocalypse.

    Closing off your streets (if that really is happening) isn’t because of muslim asylum seekers, I mean, what are they going to do? Wait outside your house until a female comes out?

    As the gag goes

    “people often say to me….

    why are you standing in my garden.”

  6. Been here five minutes and have already persuaded the authorities to introduce gender segregation in public spaces.

  7. Arnald, it doesn’t really matter. The point it that a woman can be charged with a crime for defending herself against a rapist.

    If this is the sort of attitude common in the authorities, is it at all surprising that the influx of Muslims is finding fertile ground for their societal overthrow?

  8. Or to put it another way, a big sign saying “pussy here, come and get it”.

    Ask the residents of Srebrenica how a European safe zone works.

  9. It is pointless to try to counter the beardy weirds without first smashing those who enable and import them.

    The scum of the left.

    This has been the mistake of all anti-RoP groups so far.

    The socialist scum must be expelled from unis–as teachers admin sans compo and pensions. As Red Guard students– hit with a life-ruining package of measures–to ensure that the next generation of middle-class angry-with-Mummy-and-Daddy shite really do have something to be bitter about. The BBC gone in a week and all media laws/state control/restrictions on media gone. Leftist scum will still be free to broadcast their lies–but they will have to do it with their own money. No more taxpayer cash. And they will be one voice amongst many–not the constant drone of left lies and clichés in every media and type of broadcast.

    Finally the scum of the state must be purged. Mr E U Phig fFook Mr Coreshite of course but also the Senior Civil Service etc.

    With all that slime “slain” so to speak–the task of ensuring that our nation stays ours will be relatively easy.

  10. @Arnald: There is a principle that applies now in media reports of crimes – if the assailant is white, that will be stated. If the assailant is non-white his (or her) ethnicity will not be mentioned.

    One could therefore conclude (not with 100% certainty I’ll admit, but far better than chance) that this girl’s attacker was non-white, because his race was studiously not mentioned, despite the girl undoubtedly knowing and having reported it.

    Incidentally has anyone else noticed our favourite banking commentator appears to be having some sort of meltdown over the Cologne attacks:

    http://quillette.com/2016/01/20/springtime-for-demagogues/

    http://daviddpaxton.com/2016/01/24/no-my-screenshot-of-your-stupid-tweet-is-not-libel/

    http://www.coppolacomment.com/2016/01/i-am-not-insane.html

  11. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “That wasn’t that uncommon a couple of decades ago. Also the idea of gated communities has been imported from SA and USA. They’re not there to protect against your so-imagined hordes of the apocalypse.”

    Yes they are. You just have not bothered to think about what I meant.

    “Closing off your streets (if that really is happening) isn’t because of muslim asylum seekers, I mean, what are they going to do? Wait outside your house until a female comes out?”

    Well yes they probably will. But I agree that is more generic crime. As I said. You can wander around London and see it.

    Arnald – “It is not known, however, if the assailant in this latest incident was an asylum seeker or refugee”

    Yeah. Like that makes a difference.

  12. And yes, JuliaM, that is exactly the point, which Arnald has totally missed. Defending yourself is wrong. Gathering in a ‘safe space’ though, to be protected by the authorities, is right. This works just as long the majority of the people are law abiding. It breaks down really fast otherwise.

  13. The point about the bars across the windows taps into what I said, which is that this sudden awareness of sex crimes is only part of the issue.

    It is also worth noting by the way that it has been noted by us on the Far Right Extremist wing for some time that the Swedish authorities in particular have been actively suppressing the immigrant rape statistics there.

  14. “Safe space” eh? Well, you can’t make a multi cultural omelette without breaking a few eggs.

    Expect more of this, except the “safe spaces” will get smaller and less safe.

    What a lunatic, catastrophic decision by Merkel. Incredible.

  15. So anyway, how are we going to segregate the buses, lunch counters and drinking fountains? Male/female, white/non-white or muslim/non-muslim?

    Answers on a postcard please to the usual address.

  16. No, I haven’t missed the point. The Swedish method is creaking at the seams, for instance. It’s fairly noble to not register ethnicity, so reporting the crime won’t mention it, but I can only agree that there appears to be a connection between the opening of its borders and the rise in harassment and assault on women.

    Denmark is different, though. Don’t they have a much stricter border?

    And compared to the rest of Europe, the UK doesn’t take that many.

    Not all Muslims are criminals or assaulters, but men from some parts of the world have no respect for women.

    It would be interesting to see assault stats for Turkey or Jordan, where they get shit loads of refugees.

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    Still with CNN. They are talking about a rather nice White girl, a Goodwhite obviously, who is starting up an important business. Filling a vital need. Furthering social justice.

    She is producing band-aids in a range of skin colours. Because obviously when you have cut yourself you do not want ….. what? Reminder there are off-white people on the planet?

    Unfortunately I think she is behind the times. Didn’t someone do Ebony-aids back in the 70s?

    We are so stupid we deserve to die.

  18. JuliaM

    “Jim, yes, we’ve noticed Ms Coppola going full Icke”

    Her post on the link above isn’t Ickeish. She has suffered abuse for a stupid tweet.

    If Ecks posted under his real name, he’d get viral for his blatant white supremacist stance.

    Nice to see the SMFS/Ecks axis of spastics back in tandem.

  19. @Arnald
    “…the idea of gated communities has been imported from SA and USA. They’re not there to protect against your so-imagined hordes of the apocalypse.”

    Really?

    Why then did gated communities spring up in SA and the US if not as a self-defence mechanism? I mean, why have security guards stopping people entering a walled off community?

  20. AndrewC

    If you can be bothered to read anything correctly, which you have proved you can’t, I said that the gated communities in SA and USA were not set up because of an influx of refugees.

    And here’s how the wonderful SMFS gets it spectacularly wrong (again), this time about London’s gated communities

    In the United Kingdom, gated communities can mostly be found in London, especially in the Docklands (such as New Caledonian Wharf, Kings and Queen Wharf and Pan Peninsula), and East London (for example Bow Quarter in Bow, London), although there are an increasing number across the whole of the country. In 2004 there were an estimated 1,000 gated communities across the country.[32] These are usually on a small scale: a single block of maybe 500 flats, or a gated street of 60 or 100 houses.

    and

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9dc593c2-c39e-11e2-aa5b-00144feab7de.html

  21. What is this job you work at Arnald–cos you seem to be on all day, every day lately. Making my point for me about RoP enabling leftist scum.

    Even were you in the so-called “public sector” , they are not nice to the lower ranks and would certainly put you on charges for doing political posting on work time –even “breaks” and even tho’ you are posting the same sort of leftist shite that the management share belief in.

    Also– viral against me? For wanting the natives of this country to retain their own country? Well there is lots of leftist shite about. Altho’ if my scheme posted above were instituted said scum would be far too busy trying to earn enough to survive to be spending their time harassing others.

    Whereas of course shite like you endorses on a daily basis the150 million murders already committed by socialism and tries to put a mild mask over the supplanting and attempted ruin of your own race by the same hate-filled creed.

  22. How will women travel to these “safe spaces”, given that the Hauptbahnhof was where all this trouble happened? Will the entire station (and trains) be declared a no-go zone for all men (and it will be all – they mustn’t discriminate, natch), or will women still have to suffer the old finger up the anus greeting from their cousins across the water as they travel to their “safe space”?

  23. Thinking about matters it is arguable that rape is as much an intrinsic characteristic of socialism as it is of RoP culture.

    After all consider the large numbers of women arrested in the soviet shithole and then raped (for the first time at least) in the back of the van on the way to the lock up.

    Consider the rape in the Gulags and the prostitution by women desperate to survive. Solzhenitsyn writes of this in his books.

    Consider the previous rape epidemic in Germany–that of the Red Army. Ok they had scores to settle–but with German women? They were encouraged to be as barbarous as possible by their commissar scum. Socialism in action.

    The Chicoms also have a long history of rape and sexual assault on women who fell into their hands.

    Perhaps it is this knowledge–of the “socialist rape connection” that informed the nonsense peddled by Marxist feminist madwomen. Their own dark hatred and desire is thus projected onto others.

    Thus we see the culture of socialism/RoP operating in tandem to enable demoralising attacks on western women.

  24. “Her post on the link above isn’t Ickeish. She has suffered abuse for a stupid tweet.”
    Do us a favour, Arnald. As La Coppola said herself, it’s all about context. And when it comes to context, she’s got form. The comment she made here about welcoming mass immigration as a way of sticking one up the “xenophobic” Brits.
    She may wriggle but she’s firmly entangled in a web of her own making.

  25. @Arnald

    “AndrewC

    If you can be bothered to read anything correctly, which you have proved you can’t, I said that the gated communities in SA and USA were not set up because of an influx of refugees.”

    No, I can read what you wrote, it seems it’s you that can’t remember. You said ‘hordes of the apocalypse” not “influx of refuges”. In SA and the US the hordes are mostly home grown.

    Are you going to do a ‘Murphy’ now and claim that what you wrote clearly meant something different than what you clearly wrote?

    And if you could be bothered to think for yourself rather than just read what other people write and then repeat it, you’d have worked out the point you have obviously missed.

    Gated communities in the US and SA are clearly a self-defence mechanism. They’ve been around for decades. Because they have enough home grown worries as it is.

    Here, decades ago, people didn’t feel the need for such communities. Now they do. Decades ago we didn’t have the mass immigration we now do.

    By the way, how many refugees has Guernsey allowed in?

  26. @Arnald – By the way, did you track down where the Isle of Com is?

    You should ask the BBC to do a ‘special’ on it, since Facebook and Google are clearly operating out of it.

    [Anyone puzzling over the above, Arnald (hilariously) thinks that the fact that there is a google.co.uk web address ‘proves’ that Google has a base in the UK]

  27. @Arnald

    No, Coppola made a fool of herself. Her explanations ex post do not match the actual context where she clearly wanted to believe some crazy things. Her attempts to suggest that she was just putting out possibilities are contradicted by the “I know this sounds conspiracy theorist…” or “This is exactly the response that the organisers wanted, They perhaps spread rumours of refugee(s)” and “slightly revised my opinion…”

    She would have been better off acknowledging her foolishness and moving on rather than trying to justify it.

  28. She may wriggle but she’s firmly entangled in a web of her own making.

    Quite so. Frances Coppola has no hesitation in accusing those who disagree with her position on immigration of being immoral. She then steps into the moronic bearpit that is Twitter. And the result is:

    Three weeks of constant abuse has left my nerves very frayed. It has also affected my health, since my asthma is triggered by stress: I had to take a few days off work because my breathing was so bad. But the frayed nerves are a much bigger problem. I am over-sensitive and my judgment is impaired. My usual clarity of thought is no longer there. I overreact to things that I should have the sangfroid to let pass.

    Hmmm. If you don’t like the heat, don’t work in the kitchen.

  29. FFS AndrewC

    What are we talking about? Refugees coming into Europe, commonly described in tabloids and by wankers as ‘hordes’ or ‘swarms’. You blind, stupid tosser.

    Look, for the last time, the distinguishing feature of .co.uk and .com is to give the browser or consumer that the website appears more local. Yes of course the co.anywhere is only notional, I work in IT, pillock, But what do you think the reason is that the likes of google and amazon, or any company don’t use their .com for all their operations?

    “The .com version of a domain name is aimed at international rather than specifically US companies or commercial organisations. A .co.uk domain name suggests a UK-based operation although there is no practical restriction on who can buy a .co.uk domain. So how do you decide which to register or whether to register both?”

    Marketing strategy, pure and simple.

    Thick as well as blind

  30. @Arnald – As with other attempts to debate with you, as soon as you run out of arguments to result to childish insults.

    How old are you?

  31. Would you expect your twitter mistake and subsequent explanations to get you branded as she has, for the abuse to viral, and have a campaign to get hew sacked from a job, as those people thought she had?

    Give me a break. You wouldn’t want that to happen to you if you made an online mistake.

    It only proves the point that this site harbours no compassion.

    Back to the sexual assaults, isn’t it quite a common theme here that assaults are most often reported by lying feminists, that the rape stats include feminists reporting micro-aggressions, that blokes can’t even look at cleavage without being strung up by SJWs, and that feminists are generally trying to destroy manhood and make us all into puritans, or the like?

    Suddenly sexual assault is the most serious thing ever and the victims are virgin lambs and that all refugee men are girl raping invaders of the squeaky clean western civilisation? And probably the stats are wrong there’s probably more rapes, and that assaults are actually paedophile rings organised by mosques.

    Meanwhile, sexual trafficking of white Christians by white Christians cannot and does not exist, according to Worstall.

  32. AndrewC

    Because you bang on when you are demonstrably totally wrong.

    “@Arnald – By the way, did you track down where the Isle of Com is?

    You should ask the BBC to do a ‘special’ on it, since Facebook and Google are clearly operating out of it.

    [Anyone puzzling over the above, Arnald (hilariously) thinks that the fact that there is a google.co.uk web address ‘proves’ that Google has a base in the UK]

    You don’t get more childish than that!

    I await your apology and your gracious acceptance that you know sod all.

  33. @Arnald

    You were the one who brought the Google.co.uk web address into a discussion of tax presence.

    Now you say it’s obviously a marketing strategy.

    I expect, Murphyesque. you’ll claim that’s what you meant all along.

    No doubt soon you’ll be claiming that you’ve already proved your case ‘elsewhere’ and don’t have time to repeat the argument.

    How you must miss the ability to delete neoliberal trolls.

  34. Ecks, you even read like SMFS now. What a load of shit.

    I’m on holiday if you want to know, that socialist union derived right for workers to get a break now and then. I suppose you would prefer that anyone but you were to work 24 hours a day in a sweatshop, just like the good old days.

  35. @Arnald

    That she was foolish does not justify abuse and other stuff. But, on the basic point of whether she was foolish, she was. And her attempts to justify it ex post no better. And no, none of us would want it to happen to us.

    In the UK. Crime is falling. Yes some immigrants and ethnic groups are more likely to commit crime, but the big problem in the UK is the underperformance of poor white British children in school – which is a marker for future problems. Migrants generally outperform.

    People should read this when they worry about migration:

    http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=6&fid=10119737&jid=GOV&volumeId=-1&issueId=-1&aid=10119736&bodyId=&membershipNumber=&societyETOCSession=&fulltextType=RA&fileId=S0017257X15000408#refs

    This article provides a review of the economic, demographic and welfare effects of immigration in contemporary Europe. It argues that the economic benefits of migration are small but positive, its welfare effects minimal if not non-existent, and its demographic effects modest but real. It then provides a series of recommendations for governing migration policy in Europe: keeping the borders open but controlled; keeping employment high and income support low, and keeping speech free but fair. The most important policy recommendation centres on work: immigration policy will only work when immigrants work.

  36. ‘this site harbours no compassion’

    ‘axis of spastics’

    The caring, hypocritical Left in action. Mind you, your lot are historically murderers of the disabled, so I guess it figures.

    You have missed Julia M’s point entirely. The police cannot protect women. Husbands and boyfriends who try to protect them have been beaten up (and if they come off best the likes of you and Ironman will be waiting to denounce them as racists). And now women cannot protect themselves.

    It’s an obvious and utter disgrace, but such is your juvenile hatred of those who you perceive to be ‘right wing’ that you struggle to admit even the most obvious truths.

  37. So….Arnald works in IT, eh?

    Hmmm, the next time I come across poorly-written, balky software I shall advise my developers not to try to pass this load of Arnald by me… 🙂

  38. @ken

    ‘its demographic effects modest but real’

    I’m prepared to accept that that used to be the case, but what’s happening now changes everything. Sweden (for instance) is being changed before our eyes, not just racially but in terms of the gender balance.

  39. AndrewC

    Why don’t you go back to what I originally said and eat your words.

    To save you time

    “does Google UK actually do the ringing around, selling the space, and then pay Google Ireland for just being there and having it written down in an intercompany agreement?

    Why bother having a UK permanent base if the Ireland company is so good at drumming up sales? Why google .co.uk?”

    Here’s your phenomenally stupid response

    “Of all the business illiterate remarks you’ve made that’s the funniest. .co.uk is a web address.”

    I refer you back to

    “A .co.uk domain name suggests a UK-based operation”

    I was talking about Google have a UK presence, marketing a UK presence when it’s actually all run out of Ireland.

    Keep digging, though. But eat your words first.

  40. “Back to the sexual assaults, isn’t it quite a common theme here that assaults are most often reported by lying feminists, that the rape stats include feminists reporting micro-aggressions, that blokes can’t even look at cleavage without being strung up by SJWs, and that feminists are generally trying to destroy manhood and make us all into puritans, or the like?”

    More lies and two-faced deceit Arno.

    The rape hysteria directed against western men by hate-filled socialist skanks IS a load of lying shite. Some woman waking up minus the beer goggles and deciding she made a mistake and so that is rape is not even on the same planet with thousand strong mass attacks. False accusations ancient and modern don’t compare with real life atrocities such as the mass gang rape of a female camp worker (trying to help the motherfuckers for Christ’s sake– the poor cow) who is now in a wheelchair leaking from front and back.

    Then comes the hypocrisy of leftist scum –all hot and bothered about non-existent western rape culture(–western culture being the best deal ever for women outside of the Isle of Themyscira) but who don’t give a shit about real brutal violent rapes (and a number of killings also) perpetrated by favoured clients of the left. Clients who are being imported by leftist scum to undermine and disrupt the West.

    You are a semi-sentient coprolite Arnny-boy. Lets hope the Gurn-Sea sanitation dept catch up with you soon.

  41. Kicking someone when they’re down is always wrong. However Frances should remember that her thoughts on immigration as a means of civilizing the noticeably xenophobic Brits were both very offensive, and crashingly condescending.

    An apology was the way to go.

  42. Interested

    I misunderestimated you. You have compassion, for Mr Ecks. Christ he needs it.

    JuliaM

    You’re welcome.

    Bison. I like to spend my holidays on timworstall.com. Are you retired?

  43. Arhnock:The original holiday was the Sabbeth.No unions there Numbnuts.

    And the middle ages had far more holidays than the modern world. No unions there either..

    The only reason we have the holidays we do is the productivity of modern market society (to the extent it isn’t fucked-up by statism/socialism). Under socialism those of us who survive would have to work far longer under far worse conditions just to survive.

    “Ecks, you even read like SMFS now.”

    Why, was not that the basis on which you claimed that I am SMFS? You mean you decided that on the basis of psychic intuition then?

    The same way as you receive all your other knowledge.

    “What a load of shit.”

    You certainly are.

  44. Arnald will have won no prizes at RightThought Brigade HQ, but “Axis of Spastics” is rather good.

    “Spastic” is a great word, it’s just a shame about the provenance. And with “spazzer” you get a twofer.

    (Btw, anyone who’s had anything to do with yer actual spastics will be aware of their above-average robustness and immunity to stuff that-doesn’t-actually-matter. Like the blind have above-average hearing. Patronise them at your peril).

  45. @Arnald

    Honestly, it’s the verbal equivalent of trying to draw a picture for a child using chunky crayons.

    “A .co.uk domain name suggests a UK-based operation”

    Not to the tax authorities it won’t. As they’re not terminally stupid. They know it’s a web address and will look at ‘the real world’.

    “Why bother having a UK permanent base if the Ireland company is so good at drumming up sales? Why google .co.uk?””

    *sigh*

    You still don’t understand do you?

    The UK section will be the ‘feet on the ground’. Maybe they need to meet the potential advertiser for a cup of coffee in Starbucks. But the final decision and contract signing takes place in Ireland. That’s the whole point. Because that is what is needed to avoid a PE in the UK.

    Jeezus.

    “But eat your words first.”

    A grand flourish. Murphy would have been pleased by the pomposity of it. Did you fist type that?

  46. Hmm,

    My .co.uk domain is hosted out of Denmark. Where’s my business taxable? It’s actually in the UK.

    Would you expect your twitter mistake …

    If you comment on controversial things, you _should_ expect hideous pushback that is the Twitter bear-pit. Frances didn’t expect it.

    You wouldn’t want that

    Unless you are a professional troll. Which Frances isn’t.

  47. Why bother having a UK permanent base if the Ireland company is so good at drumming up sales?

    To employ developers and other specialists, not necessarily sales weasels.

    Why google .co.uk?

    To segment your target markets?

  48. Arnie: I like to spend my holidays on timworstall.com.

    Not just dim and malevolent but socially inadequate too.

    Are you retired?

    Ribbing you is a game one can play irrespective of age.

  49. AndrewC

    You’re still not reading. I said the Google was doing it’s best impression of operating out of the UK, when in fact it makes it’s sales in Ireland.

    The advertisers and punters and surfers recognise that .co.uk SUGGESTS a UK presence and so makes it more relevant for them. Jesus wept.

    Not once did I say that the .co.uk is basis enough for tax purposes. It’s unbelievable that an educated man can’t understand English. A real head-shaker.

  50. My .co.uk domain is hosted out of Denmark. Where’s my business taxable? It’s actually in the UK.

    Likewise, I think mine is hosted in a German datacentre. Still pay UK tax though.

  51. Can’t believe I’m reading this, that a country TLD has anything at all to actually being anywhere near the country in question.

    Lots of cycling clubs and cycling related websites, eg, Road and Rapha use the .cc domain name to be interpreted as Cycling Club, but is meant to be for the Cocos Islands pop.596, nope, I’ve never heard of it either, apparently somewhere near Australia.

    Rapha could probably buy the Cocos Islands with the tax bill they owe them.

  52. Jack C

    Indeed, my mum was a carer at the local National Spastics Society, as then, care home. (cue Arnald gag)

    Spazzing, and variants, are good words, not necessarily used with reference to your actual person with CP.

  53. magnusw

    You’re not reading it, you’re reading AndrewC’s demented interpretation of what he thinks I wrote.

    I might set up a domain out of the Cook Islands

    AndrewC.co.ck

  54. JuliaM: The lady was arrested for actually owning and using pepperspray, which is classed as a weapon. You’re not allowed to have, let alone use a weapon as a civilian in Denmark, no even in self-defense.

    Actually any form of violence used while defending yourself may be cause for arrest. ( yes, yes, I know… stupid.. try tell that to starry-eyed Pacifist lawmakers from the 60’s/70’s who came up with *that* particular one.. )

  55. Note the processes of the leftist “mind” at work.

    When dear Arnie uses words like “spastic” they aren’t the same abuse of the disabled that they would be if the rest of us said them. Cos Arnie’s mum used to work with spazzers. So when he uses the word–in a clearly insulting context–that is OK.

    Grikath: Matters are changing in Denmark. I doubt if this law will stay long. The Danes don’t seem as dumb as the Swedes

  56. @Interested

    The analysis I linked to is about moderate immigration and there is always the a balance – doctors and bankers vs. illiterate, innumerate former child soldiers suffering from mental health problems. And this doesnt mean we should refuse the latter.

    I think you’ll find that Arnald above agrees that mass migration can bring problems:

    “but I can only agree that there appears to be a connection between the opening of its borders and the rise in harassment and assault on women.”

  57. Ken: Doctors –unless they have been tested for quality (cause I know of several imported hacks I wouldn’t let treat the dog) they can keep. Bankers–we have more than enough of them.

    The rest–are a costly bunch who add no benefit to us and are left-voting absolute poison to a society of freedom and enterprise ( the not-preying-on-others kind –we already have enough stupid brigands of our own). You can keep them. They can live and stay in your town and you can pay their various bills. And the demented ex-child soldiers can live on your street. I understand that the Germans have realised that their new “friends” dental bills alone are going to cost them an arm and a leg.

  58. Arnald-

    You may have noticed that I have indeed pointed out the different attitudes to reported sexual assaults depending on ethnicity, particularly regarding the Rotherham Phenomenon, to some opprobrium as a consequence, particularly from Ironman.

    A lot of the issue that I see is fundamentally different models of gender/sexual relations being used by e.g. neoprogressives, 70s libertines, conservatives and semitic clan tribalists. And the problem with the tendency for people to assume that their own morals and paradigmatic constructions are not only right, but objectively right for all peoples, places and times and thus an inability to comprehend differing social constructions and their resulting rulesets.

  59. Mr Ecks

    Economic benefits from migration boils down to this (doctors and bankers are a plus). As for the unfortunate flotsam and jetsam of the world, civilized societies should do their best*. Does this mean that we should allow unlimited migration or welcome every refugee? No, any society needs to control its borders and maintain social cohesion, which was the point of the article I linked to above. Did Labour allow in too many people – yes. Should the ECHR be removed from English law? Yes, they are too activist with too small a democratic mandate – the UK should withdraw. And needless to say, the Germans should not pay the dental bills…

    * I personally believe that we should think of John Rawls and the veil of ignorance when facing questions of this sort. It is by no means a complete answer, but a moment’s reflection should show the value of a bit of compassion.

  60. @Arnald

    Is it ok if you say ‘paki’ too?

    @Ken

    Yes, I saw that. He’s not a truthful person and (like Ironman, who is conspicuously absent from these threads) is only prepared to go as far as he did because even he can’t deny the completely obvious completely.

    We’re in mass migration times, so I’m not sure what point you were making? It’s like discussing the internet and talking about valves – not relevant.

    I see you want to allow illiterate, innumerate former child soldiers suffering from mental health problems into the country. Sure, why not. I’ll take you seriously if you insist that they move next to your house, or preferably into it.

  61. “Matters are changing in Denmark. I doubt if this law will stay long. The Danes don’t seem as dumb as the Swedes”

    You may be right. Dutch law in this respect has always been the same as in Denmark in this respect ( plus or minus some commas), but as of last summer we’re *finally* allowed to defend ourselves/arrest an assaulter “with suitably applicable violence” in self-defense.
    You will still be cautioned though, and a judge/DOJ might still decide your course of action classes as “excessive”.
    And there’s still the possibility of the perpetrator/originator of the violence charging you for “damages”, although the possibilities for *that* have been taken down a couple of notches as well, and are now mostly limited to “excessive or irrepairable physical harm.”
    Using weapons of any kind ( furniture counts..) is still out though, and will still get you arrested. Pepper spray is *specifically* mentioned in the list of Things You’re Not Allowed to Use, Or even own, for that matter.

    Which is why Geert Wilders was handing out indelible paint spray to women the other day over here. The same stuff they use to invalidate bank notes in case of robberies. That stuff is “harmless”, and is not classified as a weapon in this form.
    His….execution.. was, as usual, ham-thumbed and ass-backwards, especially given the distinct possibilities of abuse by the more vindictive and panicky specimens of feminimity, but his basic concept is pretty solid, in my opinion.

  62. Ken-

    Rawls’s veil of ignorance is only (potentially) useful when all parties are going to apply it, and apply the conclusions.

  63. Grikath: “…we’re *finally* allowed to defend ourselves/arrest an assaulter “with suitably applicable violence” in self-defense.”

    Who defines suitability?

    Me, I define it as ‘whatever’s needed to ensure the bastard will never do it again’.

  64. ” It argues that the economic benefits of migration are small but positive, its welfare effects minimal if not non-existent, and its demographic effects modest but real.”

    Ah, but it really depends on the migrants doesn’t it.
    Look at the economic contribution of Somalis, Pakistanis and Bangladeshi’s – it’s overwhelmingly negative when correlated with welfare. For example 75% of Pakistani women and 50% of Pakistani men are on the dole.

    Then look at crime; or volunteers for ISIS; or child grooming, or electoral process corruption or.. etc

    I’m not going to say they’re all bad – clearly they’re not. I work with a couple of Pakistani blokes and I really like them. But we have no effective way to separate the good’uns from the badd’uns.

    And thus, as is the nature of government policy-making, decisions are made on the averages.

    And importing these masses will economically, socially and more importantly demographically destroy my culture and my country.

    And the cherry on the cake is – were we ever asked?

  65. Arnie, you poor fish, I suspect that nobody much here is going to follow links to the UNHCR, however persuasive you might find them.

    These UNHCR people are in the refugee/migrant business and stemming the flows would remove their raison d’être.

    Your other problem is that folk (with you being an exception, I grant) believe the evidence of their own eyes rather than soft soap from a United Nations offshoot.

    Does timworstall.com have disco evenings for people who take their holiday here, do you know?

  66. MB,
    Have you checked on Trip Advisor? Or is it tripadvisor?

    It has to be better than the facilities at http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

    Shoddy and threadbare I can cope with, it’s the rudeness and lack of choice at breakfast. (For the guest’s own benefit apparently, that last one).

  67. That’s funny Jack C!

    I guess not, Bisey, but that’s more fool everyone as they have the resources to know the situation first hand, rather than making it up or reading the tabloids.

    You say your sources are your own eyes? Been to any refugee camps lately? Maybe you’ve been to Syria recently? No, I know, you were embedded with a mercenary army in Iraq!

    Your own eyes, my arse.

  68. Trevor Phillips in the Times today says muslims will never integrate, presenting a problem for Arnald and Ironman who think both muslims and black people are sacred unicorns quite beyond criticism (Mail link to avoid paywall http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418620/Muslims-not-like-just-accept-never-integrate-says-former-racial-equalities-chief-Trevor-Phillips.html).

    Relatedly, Kosovan chap threatens to murder his wife for ‘becoming too English’, presenting another problem for Arnald and Ironman who would prefer these people didn’t murder their wives but also think they have a point.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418811/Kosovan-refugee-threatened-cut-wife-s-heart-English.html

  69. “How has the relatively small influx of refugees into the UK affected you?”

    In the context of 30 + years of immigration:

    Robocops in London’s tubes
    Excessive taxes to pay the benefits bill
    Increased waiting times at my doctors
    Lack of school places for my kids
    I’m now a minority in my home city
    I worry for my kids and those of the other commentators

    is that enough… or is it all trumped because you can bask in your own self righteousness Arnald?

  70. JuliaM: “Me, I define it as ‘whatever’s needed to ensure the bastard will never do it again’.”

    Yeess.. I agree with you on that one.. There’s however a difference between “ensuring sufficiently subdued behaviour” until the authorities arrive, and “going apeshyte on his/her ass.”
    The distinction can and should be made by the judiciary, eventually, if needed. Dutch police officers are very…pragmatic.., but you can’t expect them to ignore broken bones and torn off testicles.. However obvious the reason.

  71. I’m not going to speak for Ronny, but I haven’t said anyone is above criticism, nor have they been unicorned.

    It’s the rabid hysteria that’s complete bollocks.

    I mean, this:

    “Robocops in London’s tubes
    Excessive taxes to pay the benefits bill
    Increased waiting times at my doctors
    Lack of school places for my kids
    I’m now a minority in my home city
    I worry for my kids and those of the other commentator”

  72. Arnald-

    Culture is people. You change the people, you change the culture. If you take a town full of secular, leftist liberals and replace them with people from the Bible Belt, the town’s culture will change. It’s just a basic fact.

    Small numbers of immigrants can often be culturally converted simply because they are outnumbered and have to fit in, so long as they are under social pressure to do so. The larger the numbers, the more ghettoised they are, and the less social pressure there is, the less this will happen. Under multiculturalism, the pressure is actively negative, with the host population required to accomodate and the immigrants encouraged to maintain a distinct culture of “the old country”. So we currently have a double whammy in that regard.

    And all this because the Left’s only model is 1950s Civil Rights America.

  73. Arnus

    How has the relatively small influx of refugees into the UK affected you

    I live in the centre of a market town in East Anglia. Every morning when I go out I play a little game with myself – namely, how many people will I pass before I see someone who could be British or who is speaking English? This morning, not untypically, I passed six people before encountering a member of the indigenous population. Some days, it is as high as 10 or 12. My Conservative ward Councillor is ethnic Chinese, and even he does not like the sort of immigrants we have here. The Hindu engineer and his wife, who live in the next street, are concerned, too — particularly by the adherents of the Religion of Peace.

  74. “And all this because the Left’s only model is 1950s Civil Rights America”

    That is a naïve belief Ian–as is trying to reason with sewage like Arnold.

    The scum of the left are wreckers who know very well what lies they tell and what damage they do. They want to damage, to destroy, even though things might well be a 1000 times worse after they have finished.They are suffused with hatred. It runs all the way thro’ them like “Blackpool” thro’ a stick of rock.

    They cannot be reasoned with.They must be destroyed utterly.

  75. How has the relatively small influx of refugees into the UK affected you?

    Heh. It’s amazing how fast the lefty script flips from “There are too few immigrants for you to worry about” to “There are already too immigrants here for you to stop more from coming in”. Just watch!

  76. Ecks-

    I don’t agree. The left in general, and Proggies in particular, are motivated by the belief that they are doing the right thing. They see what they destroy as necessary ground clearance for the Utopia with which they will replace it.

    That Utopia, in this context, being the America Of All Peoples they decided upon in the Civil Rights Era. The particular toxicity is because we’re dealing with two culture groups- Yankee Protestants and Jews in the USA- who unified in a shared belief in themselves as the light of the world whose manifest destiny is to be the architects of this New Jerusalem.

    Utopianism is enormously appealing. People will sacrifice anything- especially when it’s other people- to achieve it. Communism and Fascism were the same mindset. But you can’t really understand them unless you understand that they see themselves not as destructive, but as noble builders of a shining future.

    Needless to say they are terribly, catastrophically wrong.

  77. Prastus

    Downham Market?

    “very morning when I go out I play a little game with myself – namely, how many people will I pass before I see someone who could be British or who is speaking English? This morning, not untypically, I passed six people before encountering a member of the indigenous population.”

    Just like Farage and his “on the train” speech at a conference. The indigenous population of East Anglia, eh?

    You can always tell a fail when the word indigenous comes out.

    ” My Conservative ward Councillor is ethnic Chinese, and even he does not like the sort of immigrants we have here”

    The ‘sort’ of immigrant? I’d like to see him actually say that. Has he been making waiting for the doctor longer, or taking all the school spaces. May be you should lock up your proverbial daughters?

    Coming over here, plotting to overthrow the indigenouses. Today Councillor, tomorrow you’ll be under the Maoist cosh.

    And then the Hindus, coming over here, maintaining their caste systems, looking down at the shudrahs.

    I’d watch out if I were you, Prastus, in your East Anglian market town. It’s the next target for Daesh.

  78. Sorry Ian you are plain wrong–the very next posting is from one of your “utopians” and it shows nicely that sneering hatred of his own kind is all there is in him.

    They may rationalise their bullshit with jam tomorrow in the workers paradise talk but it is obvious they no longer have even the slightest belief in it.

  79. Ian B

    I have no Utopian vision and I don’t know anyone who has. If I’m going to get philosophical about this, I’m more of a nihilist.

    I just don’t believe the existential threat is Islam.

    Sure, I’d like to be able to influence things so that they are less discordant with my sensibilities, but there’s no real hope of that, especially (and utterly contradicting Ecksy) the world revolves wankerish attitudes as displayed with a majority of people on here.

    It isn’t a first world populated by progressives, Ian B, that’s normality – the real movement is the cod libertarianism that believes in crushing the hope out of everything. For their pleasure.

  80. I notice that the world’s most successful economies consume pork, and a lot of the basket case economies don’t. Now you’d be a fool to assume a causal relationship and to deny historical context when hygiene standards were not like now.
    But I’d rather not take my chances, thanks.

  81. “sneering hatred of his own kind”

    You see, it’s this drivel that I hear all the time. I play a little game with myself – namely how many people will I pass before I see someone who could be empathetic or could at least see the other point of view. This morning, not untypically, I passed six people before I saw someone rational.

    They were probably French.

  82. Arnus

    Not Downham Market: only boring people live there. Anyway, I’ve lived in this house for 27 years and only in the last 10 years or so have we had asylum seekers loitering in the town centre. Yes, a handful of non-indigenous professionals have lived here for a long time, and they are accepted members of the community. How many asylum seekers are there on the streets of Guernsey?

  83. Ian B

    “Culture is people. You change the people, you change the culture.”

    Culture has always been fluid in the UK, it’s that adaptability that makes our culture exportable. When Ecksy and Johnnydub are waxing lyrical about the end of days, exactly what culture are they lamenting the imminent loss of?

    For a start, I can’t imagine either going to church, so it’s not about saving the religion. Saving the language? How ridiculous. Saving what then? Is it the light brown skin pigmentation that’s under threat. All that dreadful mingling of genes?

    Is it the songs we sing?

    It goes without saying that criminals should be caught and prosecuted. Maybe the centre-right’s policies of diminishing the police force is counter-intuitive, even though crime rates as a whole are falling.

    So, if Johnnydub’s list is the guideline:

    Robocops in London’s tubes?

    Gang violence is the biggest danger. It will be in 30 years time

    Excessive taxes to pay the benefits bill?

    That’s just stupid. If a hypothetical ringfence was put around the benefits cost, it would be a tiny increase, assuming that all asylum seekers are hopeless layabouts. Unless there’s something to employ anyone in 30 years time…that won’t be the fault of immigrants.

    Increased waiting times at my doctors?

    I mean, that’s a joke, right? That’s government planning – maybe by then it will be 100% private. Either way I can bet you a million pounds the wait for a doctor will be similar to now. We need immigrant doctors, if you hadn’t noticed.

    Lack of school places for my kids.

    Again, both of these points are current problems, no, they’ve been a problem for decades. Asylum seekers barely scratch the stats. We need more schools, we’ll need them then.

    I’m now a minority in my home city

    That’s a fear only if you let it be. The stats don’t bear it out. You can always move. That’s the stock answer on these pages if you don’t like something.

    I worry for my kids and those of the other commentator?

    We all worry about our kids and kids in general. It’s perfectly natural. I suggest they learn the green cross code and how to wire a plug properly.

  84. Hey Patty

    “How many immigrants does Guernsey allow in remind me?”

    Most of the hospitality jobs, catering and cleaning are done by Latvians and Poles. They are on short term licences, but there are ways around it. There are days when you can only hear Latvian. So what? Being afraid of people is your problem.

    Anyway, it’s silly to compare Guernsey to anywhere. It’s far more conservative than anywhere else I’ve been, it’s insular and parochial to the point of parody. Many Guernsey folk don’t like the finance professionals that come in from SA or Bermuda or Mauritius, or the doctors from Africa or India. Frankly Guernsey can’t grow their own, so they should be grateful.

    The only time I’ve felt scared in England is when I lived in S London and I had to walk up and down the Coldharbour Lane between Brixton and Camberwell.That was because of muggers, young males being the most common target. Oh and on the train after the football. White English guys.

  85. Ah, the good old Proggie “white people have no culture” argument.

    A philosophical tradition. A religious tradition. An intellectual and scientific tradition. A history. Art, architecture, music, food, industry, language, law. A way of being.

    Like any other culture, what we are as a result of what we have been.

  86. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “I said that the gated communities in SA and USA were not set up because of an influx of refugees.”

    Yes but no one but you said they were.

    “And here’s how the wonderful SMFS gets it spectacularly wrong (again), this time about London’s gated communities”

    I have not said a word about London’s gated communities. I said they were closing off the streets. Which they are. There are gated communities in London but they are rare. Closed off streets, usually with a fate, are not so rare.

    As usual you are using this blog for therapy – ranting in anger without thinking – rather than communication.

  87. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “You see, it’s this drivel that I hear all the time. I play a little game with myself – namely how many people will I pass before I see someone who could be empathetic or could at least see the other point of view. This morning, not untypically, I passed six people before I saw someone rational.”

    So for the record, you think these rapefugees recently enriching Cologne with their cultural vibrancy and diversity are 1. empathetic or 2. could see their victims point of view or 3. are rational?

  88. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “How has the relatively small influx of refugees into the UK affected you?”

    London is now majority non-British. It is not a small influx. But how many rapes are enough? How should the mass gang rape of 12 year old girls affect us? How has it affected you?

    (I used to live around the corner from one of the 7-7 bomb sites and work down the road from one too.)

  89. “Being afraid of people is your problem” unless its “white English guys”.

    He hates “Gay-Ted” communities as well.

    And obviously no native born doctors would ever want to live on Gurn-Sea. They can’t cope with all the sunshine.

  90. “Like any other culture, what we are as a result of what we have been”

    Which is what I said. It’s fluid. The idea of cultural identity is a vague concept for a country that has seen a lot of to-ing and fro-ing of peoples. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

    Not sure what it has to do with being white, though. Your trying to force an argument where there isn’t one.

    Some people bang on about Western culture. What, you mean like America has it’s own culture? Really?

    SMBS

    “So for the record, you think these rapefugees recently enriching Cologne with their cultural vibrancy and diversity are 1. empathetic or 2. could see their victims point of view or 3. are rational?”

    So do you think that the immigrants lining Prastuses routes are “rapefugees”?

    Were there actually any rapes that night in Cologne?

    “Closed off streets”. Back that up with a link. Or do you mean Downing Street?

    Do you live in London? You sound so knowledgeable, it can only be first hand experience.

  91. i’m not sure that these ‘safe zones’ will be much needed. Now that everyone is alert to what some of the muslim men might do, there will be vigilance. The young women will be protected.

    There really is no shortage of men prepared to ‘protect’ young women, its instinctive and runs deep.

    Methinks that that those who might gang molest the young women of europe will not find it so easy in future.

    Indeed, i worry a little that some muslim men are going get an over vicious beating from vigilant young ‘protectors’ (who might not all be white) for their crimes.

    And its just in the nature of mob justice that there’ll be innocent you men who get vicious beatings as well as guilty ones.

    Young women are very precious, and they will be protected … so it goes.

    Mob assaults on young women will carry on for long, our own young men will protect the young women.

    I mean, the horror, they even pulled off their little panties – its gonna end nastily, and the criminals will not get their way with this particular crime.

  92. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “Which is what I said. It’s fluid. The idea of cultural identity is a vague concept for a country that has seen a lot of to-ing and fro-ing of peoples. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.”

    Britain has not seen a lot of immigration before the 1950s. Virtually none in fact.

    To deny Britain its own cultural identity while lauding everyone elses is insane.

    “Some people bang on about Western culture. What, you mean like America has it’s own culture? Really?”

    This is the sort of clever little snide comment third rate mind engage in to pretend they are smart. It isn’t. Yes, America has a culture. A good one. Producing one of the best countries in the world to live in.

    “So do you think that the immigrants lining Prastuses routes are “rapefugees”?”

    So you are going to refuse to answer the question? No surprise there.

    “Were there actually any rapes that night in Cologne?”

    Yes but well done for playing down the pain and emotional suffering of sexual assault victims. Your empathy is just shining through there.

    “Back that up with a link. Or do you mean Downing Street?”

    That would be one. Go out and look.

  93. That Arnaud’s attempts at rational debate are so piss-poor tells you why he mostly insults. That and his bubbling over rage (at Mummy or Daddy or whatever bent his twig).

    A mash-up of leftist clichés combined with “It hasn’t affected me (so far)– so fuck you”.

    From a clown who airily dismisses real rapes and sexual assaults while chiding the rest of us for being able to see through the evidence-free sex allegations encouraged for political advantage by leftist con-artists.

  94. “You mean White British?” sez he.

    Again –full circle. Seething, festering hatred for his own kind. He wants to be surrounded by non-white faces–not just because of hatred for whites. He exults because being surrounded by not-white faces in his own nation means that the hated whites are being over-run and marginalised in their own land. This is a triumph from which he draws joy.

  95. “To deny Britain its own cultural identity while lauding everyone elses is insane”

    How have I done that? All I’ve asked is exactly what are we going to ‘lose’?

    “”What, you mean like America has it’s own culture? Really?””

    “Yes, America has a culture.”

    Yes it has a culture that is a mixture of dozens of other cultures, rendering different parts of America with a different identity. It is a country of immigrants. You really think that Western civilisation is under threat from immigrants? America is your answer.

    “So you are going to refuse to answer the question? No surprise there”

    Well, my comment was in response to Prastus’s line about never hearing any English. So I don’t see your point.

    Your question is absurd and irrelevant. I’m not in Cologne and obviously they’re criminals.

    “Britain has not seen a lot of immigration before the 1950s. Virtually none in fact”

    You’re a very strange man.

    “Go out and look”

    Forgive me – but, geography. I asked for a link. Surely someone with your intellect can provide that for a pleb like me?

  96. “What, you mean like America has it’s own culture? Really?”

    Not knowing that America has it’s own distinct culture is mind-blowingly ignorant. The French will most certainly confirm that for you, and you might even learn some interesting new swear words.

    It’s also quite easy to tell an Italian from a Yorkshireman, and Germans and English could never integrate successfully. They will never accept our lackadaisical attitude to winter car preparation and so forth, whilst the Germans can’t queue. Won’t queue even.

    That’s what WW1 was really all about.

  97. ARnald-

    No, it hasn’t always been thereabouts. In fact, there is still an article on the Guardian website from the year 2000 predicting that it would become under 50% indigenous by 2010. Which it did.

    As to white people, British and British culture, we are back with the thing that the peoples of Europe are white people, so white is simply a descriptive adjective. If you have another race, you’re non-indigenous. Same as black people in Africa. The problem you have is that, under the spell of the Racism Narrative, you don’t think white indigenous peoples have any more claim on their ancestral lands than anyone else, while non-white indigenous peoples do. It’s your side who are applying different standards on a racial basis. And then calling anyone who points this out racist.

    The irony is that once we are gone- or dispersed as minorities among those who hate us- nobody will care about racism, feminism, homophobia or equality of any kind. The thing you are preparing the ground for is not the Utopia you imagine.

  98. And regarding pre-1950s immigration, there was very little compared to what has occurred since then. The two blocs normally quoted are Huegenots and Irish- who were from two adjacent countries, the latter of which was at the time part of the United Kingdom.

  99. Arnald,
    Have you been to America? You would not believe how homogenous it is, despite the massive variations in weather and geography.

    It’s because Americans are expected to be Americans, and generally want to be, in an overall sort of way, whatever their private beliefs, origins or whatever.

    On top of that, Americans up sticks and move all over the place. A nuclear family of 4 will quite commonly end up in 3 different states, in more than one time-zone.

    Ignorant twat, honestly.

  100. Arnald’s doing a pretty poor job of being surrounded by non-white faces by living in Guernsey. I’d say it pretty much qualifies as the definition of ‘hideously white’, to quote the old racist, Greg Dyke.

  101. Forget white/non-white, or even Christian/Muslim – that’s all bullshit. Australia has had huge amounts of immigration since WWI, and mostly they’ve adjusted to the country and the country has adjusted to them. Melbourne, where I live, is the third largest Greek city in the world (after Athens and Thessaloniki). My neighbour is Greek, he’s been here 54 years and a citizen for 52. Lovely bloke (ok, we’ve had our disagreements over appropriate volume levels for music). Two days ago was Australia Day, and he stopped me in the street to tell me what a bloody wonderful country this is. He goes over every day to the coffee shop where a number of the local community congregate and chat in Greek. Big deal. If I join the conversation they switch to English.
    I worked with an Egyptian Muslim who was very observant (kept Ramadan etc) and yet it took me 2 years to notice that he slipped off every now and then to wash his feet and pray. I’m a smoker so absence from your desk is not unusual to me. He didn’t make a fuss about it or demand any special treatment, just got on with it.
    My mother-in-law is Chinese Filipino. Came here in her early twenties, became a nurse, married, lives in a regional town 500kms from us. Worked in the hospital there for 40 years. When my wife and I were planning our wedding we had to set aside three tables for what my wife referred to as “the Pinoy contingent”. I thought that was a pejorative term and curiously asked if that was ok. She said they simply don’t care.
    I could go on. There are people from everywhere here. Europe, China, SE Asia, India, Russia, South America, Iran, you name it. All of whom, after the initial racism wore off, are accepted, doing well, and having a great time.

    And yet we have a huge national debate raging over Muslim immigration. Because certain MENA immigrants (Arabs, I’m looking at you) have fucked it up for everyone and refuse to assimilate. The current Grand Mufti (yes that’s a real title) has lived here 18 years and won’t speak English in public. Reportedly he has some grasp of the language but not enough for public speaking. So he speaks Arabic with a translator. The previous Grand Mufti was the one who uttered the famous “uncovered meat” line. He was complaining about the ‘harsh’ sentences handed down on a group of Lebanese men who gang raped a woman and got sent to gaol for 50 years. He said (not out of context, and in public) that if you leave out a plate of uncovered meat and a cat eats it, it’s not the fault of the cat. I’ll let you translate that one for yourselves.

    So anyone who wants to call me racist for saying that a large minority of certain groups are a big problem here can just fuck off. The Islamophobia card gets used a lot to shut down debate. It would be nice if we could all be honest about it.

  102. Arnold Lane

    I was genuinely curious – I thought they might have been using Eastern Europeans for their service industries – thanks for confirming.

    Regarding being menaced in the UK I lived in Alperton in West London for three years (95% non- White) and confess at no point did I feel threatened in the slightest – the local grocers being 24 hours were also handy and much cheaper than the supermarkets…. Some Northern ‘Working Class’ areas on the other hand….

  103. Jack C

    “It’s because Americans are expected to be Americans, and generally want to be, in an overall sort of way, whatever their private beliefs, origins or whatever.”

    Yes, and I’ve experienced different cultures there, it’s a multicultural society. What is American? And it helps having a lot of space.

    Globalisation will mean cultures will merge and homogenise, as they have in America. It will mean immigration. Have Muslims in America integrated? What do you think the difference is?

    Fear of losing your identity is purely an ideological paranoia, an urge to feel superior. But there will be no Islamic takeover.

    Cultures may change, but adaptations happen all the time and it’s a natural process.

    The part that is unnatural is the displacement of peoples due to endemic wars. It is stupid to think that we are not at least complicit in this situation. Terrorist groups and hard-line fanatics can only flourish in power vacuums. We continue to supply arms and assistance to one side or another, sometimes arming both sides.

    It doesn’t help anyone when there is such a mass exodus from anywhere to anywhere, I mean, that’s a given, as well as it’s obvious that any criminality is dealt with without ‘favour’.

    The example of Sweden’s reluctance to called a spade a spade is, I think, taking the idea too far too soon. But isn’t that mitigated with the news that roughly 50% of asylum requests will, or are at present, be refused?

    Isn’t that due process at work?

    Getting red in the face and spluttering outrage is right when it concerns mass anti social behaviour, but in my opinion, continuing that outrage to perpetuate hatred and cast aspersions on anyone at all who follows Islam is small and pathetic.

    The key words about the radicalisation of a section of the current youth are disenfranchisement and cultural alienation, combined with being poor.

    There is widespread evidence that cultures can and will integrate of only a few generations. In England, English culture (using Ian B’s definition) will remain English, there cannot be any other outcome.

    Ltw example of a religious leader preaching sets of behaviours to a ready-made gullible audience is just wrong. However, I think that about all religions. It would help enormously if there was some censure. I can’t deny it, nobody should deny it.

    Is it irony that so many on here are actually living and working abroad? Obviously you don’t like the English.

    A point about France and its famous dislike of Americanisation – it was the Americans they disliked, it was the export of their corporations and the falseness of that image, that marketing. It is bland and soulless and the French thought it was bad for the kids to experience, and so that baseness needed resisting. I am half French, my mother is very French and I have a large family in France.

    Is it like that now?

    Read this. It highlights the hopes and fears of immigrants and the impacts. It doesn’t contradict the things you lot have said, backed with evidence for both sides of the argument.

    https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/4481625/Norris_MuslimIntegration.pdf?sequence=1

  104. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “The part that is unnatural is the displacement of peoples due to endemic wars. It is stupid to think that we are not at least complicit in this situation.”

    Indeed – by offering promises of Swedish income and endless Nordic pussy we have encouraged people to flee who would not otherwise have done so. A shame really.

    “Terrorist groups and hard-line fanatics can only flourish in power vacuums.”

    As in Northern Ireland. And the Basque country.

    “Getting red in the face and spluttering outrage is right when it concerns mass anti social behaviour, but in my opinion, continuing that outrage to perpetuate hatred and cast aspersions on anyone at all who follows Islam is small and pathetic.”

    We get it. A hamburger is an outrage against all decent people and must be stopped but a little bit of gang rapes of White women by not-White men is just one of those little bumps on the path to a better world. Got you.

    “There is widespread evidence that cultures can and will integrate of only a few generations. In England, English culture (using Ian B’s definition) will remain English, there cannot be any other outcome.”

    That is why Constantinople is still a Greek-speaking city.

    Just ask the Pequots.

  105. Jim

    “Arnald’s doing a pretty poor job of being surrounded by non-white faces by living in Guernsey. I’d say it pretty much qualifies as the definition of ‘hideously white’, to quote the old racist, Greg Dyke”

    Well I did live and work in Luton for years, before that I moved around Brixton, East Dulwich and Peckham in my twenties. Because of all that time spent in very multicultural areas, I subsequently hated Guernsey for years. I still do some days.

  106. “That is why Constantinople is still a Greek-speaking city”

    Err, I think your missing something fundamental out, aren’t you SMBS?

  107. “Well I did live and work in Luton for years, before that I moved around Brixton, East Dulwich and Peckham in my twenties. Because of all that time spent in very multicultural areas, I subsequently hated Guernsey for years. I still do some days.”

    Why stay there then, if you are yearning for the ‘culturally enriched’ flesh pots of Luton? (!!!!!)

  108. Ltw example of a religious leader preaching sets of behaviours to a ready-made gullible audience is just wrong.

    Al-Hilary wasn’t preaching to a gullible audience. This was an official statement to the community as a whole, explicitly saying that the poor boys had been hard done by. Plus it’s a bit condescending to refer to all Muslims as gullible.

    However, I think that about all religions.

    Didn’t I just point out it wasn’t about religion, but culture? I’m sure I did, in the second sentence of my post. But you’re shifting the goalposts back to religion. Ok, Christianity is not like that.

  109. Arnald “But there will be no Islamic takeover.”

    Seriously? Walk around with your eyes closed if you must. The caliphate is coming whether you acknowledge it or not. Because it’s all in the book – the only book they ever read. Look up the concept of hijrah.

    But of course, you are one of those who believe that 9/11, 7/7, the Paris attacks (x2), and the mass sexual assaults across Europe on NYE are all nothing to do with Islam.

  110. “Yes, and I’ve experienced different cultures there, it’s a multicultural society. What is American? And it helps having a lot of space.”

    A rehash of the same malarkey. Trying to sound reasonable this time.

    What is American?=No culture of their own

    Multi-Culti? No it isn’t-MC is leftist slang for constant undermining and attempted conditioning of whites to accept their own (hoped for by the left) future status as minority / dhimmi. Everything from endless TV propaganda to every Govt leaflet being illustrated with what looks the membership of the U N General assembly.

    There maybe different cultures side by side in the US –but apart from say food, they don’t mix that much.

    “A lot of space” Exactly–America could hold the entire population of the Earth at a comfortable density on 10% of its land mass and leave the rest of America empty as well as the rest of the world. So long as the migrants don’t get the right to vote themselves a living and stay out of crime and keep their bad habits to themselves –it would hardly matter. Except that voting to destroy the host culture is a large part of what the left wants the migrants for. Also if Mr “I hate the Gay-Ted community” looked he would discover lots of the well-off US middle-class left already live in such places. Or at least in nice all-white communities.

    “Globalisation will mean cultures will merge and homogenise, as they have in America.”

    Sorry–isn’t “Globalisation” something the left has sworn to battle to the death? Oh– that must mean when white values of enterprise and work go out to other cultures. Yeah–lets stop that “exploitation”. But if they want to come here and bring all their bad habits and piss-poor values/lifestyle–Why, the more the merrier.

    “It will mean immigration”

    A variation on “Why fight the inevitable?”–much beloved of Socialism. Like with the inevitable working-class revolution we are still waiting for. That went so well they are now trying to replace the (ungrateful) working class with imports.

    ” Have Muslims in America integrated?”

    Apart from the ones shooting, bombing and stabbing you mean. And the ones who are secret admirers of the Westboro Baptists.

    ” What do you think the difference is?”

    Americans have a chance of shooting back.

    “Fear of losing your identity is purely an ideological paranoia, an urge to feel superior.”

    Arnald speaks of the “ideological paranoia”? Women being told to dress down by the scum of the German state because it has invited a shitload of yobbo rapists to their country is “paranoia” and the “urge to feel superior”. The idiots attempts at being reasonable are more annoying than his usual slag offs. Listen to the arrogance of the cunt. Lie back and enjoy your own destruction and the loss of all your hopes for the future sez he. In the nearest he can get to a soothing tone of voice.

    “But there will be no Islamic takeover.”

    Well you are right about that, but not for the deceitful reasons you give. People are finally waking up to what leftist vermin have planned for them.

    “The part that is unnatural is the displacement of peoples due to endemic wars. ”

    Up to half of the “displaced” aren’t from hot war zones.

    “It is stupid to think that we are not at least complicit in this situation.”

    It is fucking stupid to think that “we” told the political scum to go ahead with those wars. And to think that 9-11 and one or two other little capers had nothing to do with it either.

    “Terrorist groups and hard-line fanatics can only flourish in power vacuums.”

    You and Murphy aren’t on the dole queue yet.

    “It doesn’t help anyone when there is such a mass exodus from anywhere to anywhere,”

    The point exactly. Perhaps there is hope for him yet.

    “The example of Sweden’s reluctance to called a spade a spade is, I think, taking the idea too far too soon”

    Nah.

    ” But isn’t that mitigated with the news that roughly 50% of asylum requests will, or are at present, be refused?”

    So millions are arriving but that’s after half have been refused?

    Of course they are –as mentioned in a subsequent post from Tim–allowed to arrive and then told to go and provided with law-dogs at our expense– to stop that or make getting rid of them vastly expensive. Very comforting that is. What’s the line?–“Like wiping your arse with silk”.

    “Isn’t that due process at work?”

    Is it ever old stick. Used to empty our coffers and to frustrate our attempts to remove those who should not be here in the first place. Is it ever “due process”–to those who aren’t citizens –let alone taxpayers.

    “Getting red in the face and spluttering outrage is right when it concerns mass anti social behaviour,”

    Really? So we on here are all justified are we?

    This is “seeming to make a small concession” to appear “reasonable”. And then:

    ” but”( negates all that has gone before it) “in my opinion, continuing that outrage to perpetuate hatred and cast aspersions on anyone at all who follows Islam is small and pathetic.”

    So it is the “only a small number of baddies ” ploy. LIke a 1000 in one spot plus hundreds more in several other places. On just this one occasion out of an endless parade of appalling incidents. The fact that our dear guests think that having a go at women is no big deal because their culture and religion tell them so makes no never mind to Arnald. It could have been a 1000 native Europeans–it could have been anybody really.

    And my name is Hertz Van Rentals.

    “The key words about the radicalisation of a section of the current youth are disenfranchisement”

    Equals what-? They aren’t getting everything they want? Welcome to the club.

    “and cultural alienation,”

    Equals they hate us and our culture and want it destroyed.

    See he does understand-even if he can’t express himself very well.

    ” combined with being poor”

    Equals we should give them (more) free money to help them express their hatred of us.

    “There is widespread evidence that cultures can and will integrate of only a few generations”

    No there isn’t. At most different cultures might live side by side so long as economic prosperity exists. The hatred between Malays and Chinese in Malaysia has not gone away–but it has died down as everybody over there has got more prosperous. Should wealth creation fail –then the hatred will flare up again.

    “In England, English culture (using Ian B’s definition) will remain English, there cannot be any other outcome.”

    Yeah –there’ll always be an England. In a hundred years there might be a several streets in your town where English live. And even a dingy “English Shop” on a few corners. Beer and cigs will be banned of course. But you might still find crossword puzzles or even a cricket score now and again.

    “Ltw example of a religious leader preaching sets of behaviours to a ready-made gullible audience is just wrong.”

    Hallelujah!!! We haven’t lived in vain.

    “However, I think that about all religions.”

    Cos Christian killers and Buddhist rapists are everywhere, “Buddha Bless You” they say as they open their open their orange robes in front of legions of terrified women.

    “It would help enormously if there was some censure. I can’t deny it, nobody should deny it.”

    A call for tyranny. How unexpected. If the same was mooted for his mate Murph however….

    “Is it irony that so many on here are actually living and working abroad? Obviously you don’t like the English.”

    And the financial/work opportunities are so much better in the socialistic shithole that Britain has become. That plus all the sunshine.

    “A point about France and its famous dislike of Americanisation – it was the Americans they disliked, it was the export of their corporations and the falseness of that image, that marketing. It is bland and soulless and the French thought it was bad for the kids to experience, and so that baseness needed resisting. I am half French, my mother is very French and I have a large family in France”

    Absolutely Arnald. Why have all those nasty Corps when you can have the annual North African Car Burning Festival and quite a lot of real corpses care of the RoP. Much nicer,

    An American in Paris? The cheeky imperialistic fucker.

    “it like that now?”

    Is what like what no….w…. Ok.

    At this point I will leave the great existential questions to wiser men. I dun fisked him enough.

  111. Jim

    Not sure anyone could yearn to go back to Luton. I imagine it would even be difficult for an immigrant to yearn for it.

    Ltw

    The guy’s in a prominent position because of religion. Grand Mufti, you said. They do nothing else but preach. They’re wrong and dangerous because of the gullibility that comes with all religions. Islamic culture is rooted in Islam. Did you read the paper I linked?

    Crun

    Are you hiding under your duvet? Is there a muslamic under your bed? Is it going to build a mosque in your bedroom when you go and have a piss?

  112. The point I was trying to make, Arnald, was that all sorts of people have settled in Australia and we haven’t had any particular problems up until recently. We don’t need any scholarly articles to tell us that completely rational fears are wrong. Reality is reality.

    Also, SMFS:
    “why did Constatinople get the works? That’s nobody’s business but the Turks”

  113. Arnald – you would have been a treat in Vichy France pointing out Jews to those nice men in Hugo Boss uniforms.

  114. Indeed, Ltw, “Been a long time gone”

    How recent is recently? Honest question for an Aussie view.

    Ecks, you don’t fisk anything. You splutter nonsense. You don’t believe in anything except how much you hate everything. That’s all very anarchic, but what is it you’re actually after?

    Eliminating “the left”, the left being everyone that has any sort of opinion whatsoever, could be an exciting prospect. Perhaps you could send suicide bombers to take out the scum. It all sounds very radical islam.

    “Cos Christian killers…are everywhere”. Yes, there are. Some of them are bombing Syrian civilians with aircraft costing £100m, and others are firing Hellfires at Afghan weddings from MQ9s controlled from Nevada by good god-fearing Christians.

    And so it goes on, making stuff up in your senile bitterness.

  115. “Arnald – you would have been a treat in Vichy France pointing out Jews to those nice men in Hugo Boss uniforms”

    Surely that would more apply to you? Anyone slightly brown person with (sometimes without) a beard. – there’s one! Shoot him in the head 8 times at point blank range!

  116. “Surely that would more apply to you? Anyone slightly brown person with (sometimes without) a beard. – there’s one! Shoot him in the head 8 times at point blank range!”

    I’ll bring you back to my “Robocops in London’s tubes” remark.

    This was in the days that followed that Somali’s guys knife attack in Leytonstone tube station. You know the one where he tried to cut a random blokes head off “for Syria” apparently.

    There I was in Oxford Street tube station surrounded by tourists, and there are two cops absolutely armed to the fucking teeth.

    We’re not talking handguns, we’re not even talking MP5 sub-machine guns, we’re talking two coppers armed with Assault Rifles.

    Why? Because we opened our doors to mulsim immigration and as I keep saying, you can’t tell the gooduns from the badduns.

    So now we have Robocops in the tube. And you just want to let any Abdul or Mohammed in, and if we point out the consequences, i.e. what we notice, then we’re racists.

    Just go fuck yourself you utter self loathing cunt.

  117. Yet another stunning reposte from the Master(de)Baiter of the left.

    What am I after? Well I used to think that a front row seat at your Newgate-style hanging would be a good start. Now however, I want to see you live to 100. So that you can witness every last leftist scheme, every last sly lie laid in its grave. Every last plan come to nothing and stasis to be finally reached when it is as if socialism never exist. When you have witnessed that –then you can go.

    The key to destroying the left is sacking the entrenched scum and cutting off their taxpayer funding. And booting them out of the positions they now hold in society. No killing needed. They lost the battle of ideas long ago. The left will be all but extinguished amongst the working class once the “My Dad voted Labour” crew have shuffled off. Only amongst the fuming, festering Mummy/Daddy haters of the middle class does socialism still spew. Of course migrants are to be imported to get votes the middle-class marxists can no longer get from what remains of the workers.

  118. How recent is recently? Honest question for an Aussie view.

    Fair enough question Arnald. About fifteen to twenty years recent. Things were just fine until then. That was about when the demands for no bacon/ham at council events started. Followed by the obligatory “we have to respect others’ traditions” soothing balm. Anyone who said otherwise was deemed racist. That worked out well.

    I notice you didn’t feel it necessary to respond to the rest of my post about how most people have adjusted/assimilated. How many black/brown/rainbow people have you come into contact with? I’ll bet I can beat you.

    I did skim your stupid article, and found it very unconvincing.

  119. Arnald gets it spectacularly wrong again!

    The Jews weren’t the invaders in WW2, the men in Hugo Boss uniforms were.

    In 2016 and beyond, Arnald is the one pointing out the kuffir to the men in dishdashahs.

  120. Crun

    You’re the one that wants to get rid of muslims. So you would be pointing out the muslims. Because they’re already here, remember. Under your bed. Freeing pigs.

  121. Ltw

    Were there Muslims before 15-20 years ago?

    Was there much trouble?

    Ecksy

    I asked you what you wanted. So on day one, eliminate the left. Day two deport everyone else you don’t like.

    But what then? What’s your idea, have you thought that far, or do you get distracted by licking your own genitals and wiping your arse on the carpet?

  122. Johnnydub

    “You ain’t no Muslim, bruv”

    I don’t like cops with guns either. They shoot the wrong people. Would they have stopped a criminal doing criminal things?

  123. Arnald:”I asked you what you wanted. So on day one, eliminate the left. Day two deport everyone else you don’t like”

    After that you sack of sea-breeze shite the state will be rolled back a little at a time every year. Millions now brainwashed into dependency and submission will gradually discover their power and their children will be amazed at how much shit we put up with from the worthless wreckers and tin gods of the world. Offal like you Arny-Boy.

    Until every rotten failed manifestation of statism and socialism are gone. The NHS, state mind-control miscalled “education”, legions of tin-pot laws decreed by scum.

    Until we have a nation of strong, brave, well-armed independent people who enjoy , across the board, standards of life that far exceed the lying promises made by socialistic scurf like you. And never kept anyway.

    A future where our descendants develop and call home first the Solar System and eventually the Galaxy. Which will never happen so long as we are burdened by the state in general and by socialism in particular.

    As wordsmith and wrong-headed socialist puke H G Wells put it “All the Universe or nothing”

    You already made your choice Arny–and in fairness you and your comrades have improved on it.

    You are less than nothing.

  124. Like who gets shot in the back of the head this week? Who is going to be the first to stop applauding Comrade Stalin’s speech ?

    The only decisions you need worry about are those concerning your own life.

    Leave other people free to do the same.

  125. Were there Muslims before 15-20 years ago?

    Yes, from India, Pakistan, Indonesia, among others. No problem. My father was a doctor and I remember going to Indian cultural festivals (and having the roof of my mouth burnt off by *really* authentic curry) when I was ten years old – lots of Indian doctors came into the country in the seventies, his colleagues, who invited us to their parties. Some of them were probably Muslim. There was too much beef around for them all to be Hindus.

    Arnald, why do you keep focusing on religion when I said upfront it has nothing to do with the issue? The point is assimilation vs segregation. And the current influx is different.

  126. There was a time when Muslim countries, especially the stricter ones such as Saudi, absolutely revolted the Left; for their attitudes to women, to gays and so forth.

    My-enemy’s-enemy-is-my-friend type thinking always works wonders.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *