I’ve said this before and no doubt I’ll need to say it again

As a BME student who – with two very minor exceptions – never faced overt racism to my face, it made uncomfortable reading. Students had been told “You don’t speak well enough to get into Oxford” and “You do know they only accepted you because you’re black”. Those in Rhodes Must Not Fall might take the worldview that BME student feeling alienated is their fault – I hope most right-thinking people would not.
Then there was the 100 Voices report from Campaign for Racial Awareness and Equality (CRAE), part of the Oxford University Students’ Union (OUSU). Although completed in 2014, it was inexplicably sat on for 10 months or so. Excerpts from it are equally grim:
“I was told of an incident during the college photoshoot where, upon seeing the two students he was going to be photographed with, a tutor responded ‘ah excellent, a woman and an ethnic’.”
What the debate over Cecil Rhodes’s statue has done most effectively is to involuntarily stop reasoned discussion about BME students and their experiences.
If we want to combat racism and an imperial legacy, over-simplified and grotesque statements conflating France and Daesh aren’t the way forwards – they simply play into the hands of tin-pot nationalists.
Victory, more often than not, is won through dialogue. Whether Rhodes falls or not, wide structural issues will stand – and they can’t all be tackled through force of character alone.
Siddharth Venkataramakrishnan is a third year English student at the University of Oxford,

Hope he can write better than that after 2 13 years at Oxford studying English.

Because he’s not actually made an argument for anything either way.

However to repeat myself from before. Current day Britain is one of the least racist societies either currently extant or across history. As far as “the outsider” and the rest of the society, this is about as good as it has ever been for humans. Doesn’t mean it’s perfect, doesn’t mean that it can’t get better but still….

I’ve lived and worked in Russia, the US, Czech Republic and UK, and really, the UK stands out for the incredible indifference we have to race compared to those other places. Others who read here (I think of Tim Newman specifically, experiences in Russia) will confirm this.

Actually, last time I said this there was a comment from one lady who described a kaffeeklasch with some friends. Wondering what society would make of such children of the group that were mixed race. She was impelled to point out that of all the children of the group, only those of herself and her partner would not in fact be mixed race. Thus, given that some rather large proportion of children are going to be mixed race they’re going to do fine.

And that is actually one of the reasons why race in the UK is, compared to so many other places, so unimportant. Simply because we Brits have got into the habit of fucking each other regardless of melanin content. Sure, it’s not immediate, takes a generation or three, but the outmarriage rates are vastly higher among us than they are in just about anywhere else you might think of. I think I’ve seen rates of 30% or so for Afro Caribbeans for example. At that rate the “problem” goes away quickly enough by any societal standard. A slight tint to a formerly pinkish society is what we’ll end up with.

45 thoughts on “I’ve said this before and no doubt I’ll need to say it again”

  1. I was told of an incident during the college photoshoot where, upon seeing the two students he was going to be photographed with, a tutor responded ‘ah excellent, a woman and an ethnic’.”

    And which side of the debate brought about, if not insisted on, such tokenism, I wonder? Half of these idiots’ complaints relate to stuff their fellow travelers campaigned for.

  2. Others who read here (I think of Tim Newman specifically, experiences in Russia) will confirm this.

    Indeed. Which is why I get so depressed by SJWs desperately trying to make race an major issue in the UK.

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    A slight tint to a formerly pinkish society is what we’ll end up with.

    Only if there is a small African minority. There isn’t. There is an infinite supply of Africans. The UN predicts their population will top at 4 billion. Which is to say, 500 million in Africa, 3.5 billion in Europe.

    We will not be a pinkish society. We will be a Black society in the ruins of a destroyed civilisation.

    Race is not going away. Race is now a major obsession of BMEs. It is already the dominant form of politics in places like Trinidad. You get rid of the Whites, the hatred doesn’t go away. The Blacks hate the Indians and everyone hates the descendents of the British.

    The Left teaches them to hate us and that racial hatred form the main part of their identity. We are asking people to come here and then teaching their children to hate us.

    This will end in one way – with the extinction of the British. That auto-genocide, that cultural suicide, is not something to celebrate.

  4. I spent several weeks in Kiev before Xmas with a number of collagues, one of whom is a Brit of Bangladeshi descent; he described meeting up with a Sri Lankan friend of his the last time he’d been out. They went out clubbing and met up with to black American blokes from the US embassy and they concluded that between the four of them, they constituted pretty much the entire non-white population of the city.

    The Sri Lankan guy had been travelling around Europe last summer at the peak of the migrant crisis coverage (on a UK passport) and was really shocked at the threatening, overt racism he encountered – up to including a large, angry looking bloke following him off a tram and down the streets, looking for a quiet place to kick the crap out of him. He ended up having to hide.

  5. What, in the name of Kriss Akabusi, is a “BME student”? Somebody who studies bowel movements?

    Siddharth Venkataramakrishnan is a third year English student at the University of Oxford,

    Yeah. I’m going to call him Sid.

  6. One sentence stood out in the bit you quoted:
    “Those in Rhodes Must Not Fall might take the worldview that BME student feeling alienated is their fault – I hope most right-thinking people would not.”
    When I see the phrase “right thinking people” I always translate it in my mind to “people who think like me”. It always makes the original sentence make more sense.

  7. The Guardian/Telegraph coverage of ‘racism ‘n sexism’ is now almost exclusively extremely privileged persons moaning about either microscopic annoyances or completely imaginary grievances.

    It doesn’t matter how bad or significant the original cause is – all that matters is how loudly and vociferously it is complained about. It can never end, because when the grievances run out they will simply invent ones. There will never be a shortage of extremists or mentally ill people produced by our current education system.

    You’ve got riots and demonstrations breaking out in US universities over ‘microaggressions’, for fucks sake.

  8. “When I see the phrase “right thinking people” I always translate it in my mind to “people who think like me”. It always makes the original sentence make more sense.”

    Goodthinkers.

  9. Rob – well, it must be hard for Sid, navigating the terrifying labyrinth of racism and oppression at Oxford University.

  10. Ah, fucked the name up. Got it. Thanks.

    SMFS makes an interesting point: Britain might be more racially tolerant than anywhere else I’ve been, but nowhere else have I seen the indigenous population wrapped up in such self-loathing of as the modern Western establishment. its going to be an interesting exercise to see if hating your own race and culture is less or more destructive than hating those of others.

  11. Britain is not a “non-racist2 society.

    It is a society where white people have been cowed by multi-culti Marxist vermin.

    Some people from overseas being treated decently and politely is one thing.

    Standing by for a wholesale invasion of scum is another.

    Maybe we aren’t racist enough.

  12. The culture and genetics that end up dominating the earth will be the one that is last to make the transition to first world affluent society. Ironically this will the the culture and genetics least well equipped to deal with the legacy they are handed. As whites, the first to make the transition, we have no chance of surviving the future. Some of our genes will continue no doubt, hopefully some of our cultural innovations will survive and mitigate the savagery, but we are done as a people, and this is because we hate ourselves and will not protect ourselves.

  13. Ref the original point: I have long suspected that the English actively prefer a relationship with someone “different ” in appearance. Good genetic benefits accrue.
    Also, anyone who has worked in a “working class” setting will have heard the coarse language about black girls. From the same people as are shagging those girls.

  14. JimW – eh, I’m working class and I could count on one of Jeremy Beadle’s hands the number of white working class men I know who are into black girls.

    Very, very, rarely heard any coarse language about black lasses either. They’re just not on the sexual radar of most men. On account of the fact that they tend to resemble Diane Abbott a lot more than Halle Berry.

    By the way, the worst Bond girl ever was Grace Jones. What the fuck were they thinking? She looked like a shaved mandrill.

  15. TomSmith: What is this “We” kemo-sabe?

    You tell me something I can do against the scum of the state and their costumed thugs that is not a futile gesture?

    Join PEGIDA?– but every lying leftist sack of shite in the country will be lined up against you. The AFCs out there are drowning in a sea of lying leftist shite. It is everywhere. Without equal resources truth only reaches the self-motivated–such as this blog. Johhny Sixpack doesn’t give a shit. He will when it is too late but—too late.

    And ultimately that is the bottom-line, the ultimate problem — that most people are thick as pigshit and only interested in beer, soaps and shagging.

  16. Steve,

    Grace Jones was the “Jaws” character in A View to a Kill. Tanya Roberts was the Bond girl.

  17. “I was told of an incident during the college photoshoot where, upon seeing the two students he was going to be photographed with, a tutor responded ‘ah excellent, a woman and an ethnic’.”

    This is discrimination against white males, surely?

  18. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Hope he can write better than that after 2 13 years at Oxford studying English.”
    I’m glad you said that as I thought it was me.

    Anyway, the black Zanu PF students I taught in Zimbabwe who had also been trained in Russia told me that they used to be spat at, accompanied by monkey chants, as they walked around town.

    Its also interesting that a lot of the anti immigrant movement in Germany is based in the old communist East Germany and the most anti immigrant countries in Europe are also the former communist countries. So much for left wing international solidarity.

  19. simonjester2076 – But… Jaws never curled up to Roger Moore in bed.

    At least, I hope he didn’t. That would be more disturbing than Scaramanga pleasuring his own nips.

  20. So Much For Subtlety

    simonjester2076 – “Tanya Roberts was the Bond girl.”

    Quite possibly the prettiest Bond girl ever actually. Ms Andress aside of course. Not the best actress by a long shot though.

    Hmmm. I should go and watch The Beastmaster again.

  21. Steve,

    I’ve worked with Nigerian women who I thought were tasty, but I’ve rarely found women from the Caribbean attractive (and when you look at someone like Rihanna, she’s got all sorts of genes in her).

    I do wonder how much impact selective slave breeding had. No-one wants hot slaves. They want good, hard-working slaves.

  22. SMFS,

    “Quite possibly the prettiest Bond girl ever actually”

    I’d go with that. Diana Rigg in OHMSS is probably my favourite for the mixture of attractiveness, character and acting ability. I also think Sophie Marceau was really good in TWINE.

    I had a problem with Lea Seydoux in Spectre, because the main role I know her for is as the assassin in Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. She also has a bitchy resting face.

  23. So Much For Subtlety

    Anon – “I do wonder how much impact selective slave breeding had. No-one wants hot slaves. They want good, hard-working slaves.”

    You would have to find an example of selective slave breeding first. There does not appear to have been any. Certainly not in the Caribbean where the slaves died too quickly and did not reproduce themselves. Not in the US either.

  24. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “In Nigeria? There’s a difference.”

    Sure. In Nigeria the women are tasty in a completely different way!

    OK, I tried to fight it. I really did.

    I will also say I thought Lea Seydoux was a huge disappointment. But then so was Sophie Marceau. Is it possible French Bond Girls over-think the role?

  25. No, Crowthorne of all places. One was a PA, the other 2 were very good server administrators.

    Yeah. PAs get picked on looks in the whole world, along with secretaries and receptionists. Except for in Nigeria, where they are picked on family connections. Even outside of work, there wasn’t much to look at. The diaspora is better looking by an order of magnitude.

  26. Tim Newman,

    She did help Bond to find what “l’Americaine” was. But it’s not much. I thought the ending was a bit silly, but I generally liked Spectre, especially that opening Day of the Dead scene that impressed me so much, my brain seemed to ignore the titles with the terrible theme tune.

  27. *SPECTRE SPOILERS*

    She did help Bond to find what “l’Americaine” was.

    The father could have told him directly. The father had no reason to reveal her whereabouts to Bond, and could easily have told him where l’Americain was and where the secret room was. The girl didn’t need to be involved at all.

  28. Not entirely. Barbuda was pretty much run as a stud farm for quite a long time. Barbudans are still notably taller and “fitter” than Antiguans, with whom they now share a country.

  29. ‘Certainly not in the Caribbean where the slaves died too quickly and did not reproduce themselves. Not in the US either.’ – SMFS

    Nonsense, at least the part about the US. Slaves lived a family life. Not dissimilar from European manorialism.

    Racism in the southeastern U.S. is kept alive by lefties teaching character disorder to blacks, that all their problems are someone else’s fault. To the vast majority of white Southerners, people are just people. Racism I see is blacks hating whites because they are white. Irony on steroids.

  30. “You tell me something I can do against the scum of the state and their costumed thugs that is not a futile gesture?

    Join PEGIDA?– but every lying leftist sack of shite in the country will be lined up against you. The AFCs out there are drowning in a sea of lying leftist shite. It is everywhere. Without equal resources truth only reaches the self-motivated–such as this blog. Johhny Sixpack doesn’t give a shit. He will when it is too late but—too late.

    And ultimately that is the bottom-line, the ultimate problem — that most people are thick as pigshit and only interested in beer, soaps and shagging.”

    There is nothing you can do. Hatred of self and the need to make amends are beliefs that are so strong in Western culture that the vast majority of anyone with access to power subscribes. And if they privately don’t then they pretend they do because they think it looks better to “care”

    For this reason Western culture and people will die. It is impossible in Europe to realistically oppose demographic swamping by Africans and Middle Easterners. It will just happen and any debate will be meaningless. Europe will be wholly changed in 100-250 years.

    Compare to Chinese or Japanese culture where suspicion and dislike of the other is institutionalised.Those cultures might survive despite modernising earlier than others.

  31. If you count the new Bonds as Bond movies, Olga Kurylenko takes a lot of beating. But Tanya Roberts is a good choice. I think I’d have to vote Britt Ekland though.

  32. BME: Though the correct English is EM. Ethnic is an adjective not a noun, minority is a noun not an adjective, and black people *are* ethnic minorities.

  33. Its also interesting that a lot of the anti immigrant movement in Germany is based in the old communist East Germany and the most anti immigrant countries in Europe are also the former communist countries. So much for left wing international solidarity.

    Didn’t the Soviet leaders move people around a lot inside the Soviet Union to destroy local solidarity on the quest to create the New Soviet Man?

    They might not be impressed by the EU doing the same to them.

  34. So Much For Subtlety

    Gamecock – “Nonsense, at least the part about the US. Slaves lived a family life. Not dissimilar from European manorialism.”

    You misunderstand. No selective slave breeding in the US. Because they lived fairly normal family lives.

    Also causing racism this week – Black dysfunction and crime!

  35. Its also interesting that a lot of the anti immigrant movement in Germany is based in the old communist East Germany and the most anti immigrant countries in Europe are also the former communist countries. So much for left wing international solidarity.

    A life time spent under stinking commie bastards who you didn’t vote for would tend to make the ordinary citizenry less inclined to listen to stinking commie bastards when you have the choice.

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