Odd thing to be teaching in a school

Shadow minister calls for sex abuse lessons ‘from start of primary school’

Still, given the effectiveness of the British education system at teaching anyone how to do something this should still reduce the incidence of sex abuse.

31 thoughts on “Odd thing to be teaching in a school”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    Creepy perverts like talking to children about oral sex. We all know this.

    The question really is why is the Department of Education determined to pay them to do it?

  2. Yes –lets help spread leftist panics about something which has a very small incidence. Lets establish the Marxist feminist agenda in the minds of little kids right from the start. Lets help wipe out the last vestiges of childhood innocence.

    What I remember from infants school was that the lady teacher read us half a story about a family of mice and–despite her promise–we never got the other half.

    That is the most in “trauma” that little kids should have to put up with. While it is terrible that a small number of kids have to put up with much worse in life that is no reason to poison the minds of the bulk of kids who have it better.

    Esp when the real reason for this proposal is the dissemination of leftist man-hating propaganda.

  3. If a white man looks at you funny, scream rape!
    If a brown man offers you sweets to go with him, do as he asks, you little racist bastard.

    Is that it?

  4. Or, and here’s a crazy thought, why not leave it up to parents to decide when & how to teach their kids about sex abuse?

  5. Off topic, a bit, but I just learned today that my 11 year old has an ‘entrepreneur class’ once a week, where they learn how to set up businesses, how marketing works, the rules of the (Maltese) ASA etc – and their projects are to create products, and try sell them to the rest of the class. I thought this unusual (yet welcome) for a child in Primary school.

    Anything like this made it into the UK curriculum?

  6. BiM,
    Perhaps part of the EU Erasmus project? If there’s a web site or something I’d be interested in any further info you have.

  7. Not sure RlJ, I’ll ask in school about more information (the child is giving me nothin’). I did find this well-maintained Facebook group though, which seems like it contains content quite similar to what he has described https://www.facebook.com/EUPAMALTA – and since they are dishing out grants, it sounds exactly like my kids’ school to be all over it…

  8. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Or, and here’s a crazy thought, why not leave it up to parents to decide when & how to teach their kids about sex abuse?”
    Far too often its parents doing the abusing.

    I don’t have a problem with teaching teachers how to look for the signs, but there’s enough crap going on in schools and we seem to be forgetting as a society that they are there to learn and not be frightened to death

  9. “She points to NSPCC figures that suggest 500,000 children are being physically, sexually or emotionally abused, and highlights research suggesting that one in four girls and one in eight boys have experienced inappropriate sexual advances by the time they reach adulthood. ”

    This one’s nice… two “suggestions” about the frequencies of incidents which defintion is notoriously susceptible to “interpretation”, while applying the synonym for “infant” in three spots where the half the actual age range is comprised of Teens and Adolescents.

    *applause*

  10. Grikath,

    And I’ll bet that “adulthood” includes 18 year olds, despite the law being 16. So, any 17 year old babysitter that has a father hitting on her gets included in those numbers. And probably even 15 year olds finding their boyfriends trying to get to 3rd base.

  11. Once upon a time, and long ago, primary schools taught children to read and write, while parents and siblings dealt with the informal stuff.

  12. Maybe if teenage boys were taught how to be good at oral sex and other non-penetrative ways to get their partner off, the teen pregnancy rate would drop.

  13. Maybe if teenage boys were taught how to be good at oral sex and other non-penetrative ways to get their partner off, the teen pregnancy rate would drop.

    Er…why? Cunnilingus is only likely to make teenage boys more horny and so more likely to have unprotected sex. Since when did telling teenagers about sexual techniques make them more restrained or more responsible?

  14. Bloke in North Dorset

    @john77,

    Why wait, your kids have enough to deal with in the event of an untimely death without making it harder for them. We’re in our late 50s/early 60s and our son has a document that lists where all our savings are with account numbers, contact details of our IFA, solicitors and other key persons he might need to deal with, including my fellow Directors.

    We’ve prepared Powers of Attorney for him, it just needs activating, he knows our views on DNR and organ donating. Our wills also stipulate what should happen if he pre-deceases us.

    None of us like thinking about these things but car accidents do happen…….

    A little anecdote. In the 80s a very popular person I knew well in the Army was killed in a car crash along with his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 of his children, the only survivor was a baby who was one of a pair of twins. A lot of money was raised for the child and because there was no will there was an unseemly family battle for custody and access to the money.

    Since then we’ve always had wills which stated exactly what should happen in those circumstances and I recommend everyone does.

  15. So Much For Subtlety

    Theophrastus – “Er…why? Cunnilingus is only likely to make teenage boys more horny and so more likely to have unprotected sex. Since when did telling teenagers about sexual techniques make them more restrained or more responsible?”

    I suspect he is trolling. Among teenagers sex is likely to be almost entirely girls giving in to their boyfriends’ begging. I doubt many teenage girls are taking the initiative in asking for oral sex. And the point remains – no it would not. The choice is between the sexually disordered lifestyle or the non-disordered lifestyle. You do not reduce pregnancies or anything else by teaching technique.

    Not that this is what the article is about. Nor is it about training teachers to spot the signs of abuse. It is about teaching children to hate and fear adult men, especially their fathers. At some point we are going to stop paying for people who hate us to teach our children to hate us.

    Still in other news, the majority of British people, according to the Independent, think the Empire was a good thing. They are, of course, wrong. It was the best thing ever to happen to the planet. But given what our schools have been teaching, our teachers are clearly useless.

  16. SMFS, possibly quite a few individuals who didn’t benefit from the British Empire, or all the various scenarios that derived from it – either directly or indirectly. Takes a ‘collectivist’ kind of mindset to ignore the individual’s suffering, for the good of the masses, may I say 🙂

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in Malta – “possibly quite a few individuals who didn’t benefit from the British Empire, or all the various scenarios that derived from it – either directly or indirectly.”

    A few, perhaps. But that is beside the point. A lot more did benefit. We all continue to benefit. The invention of penicillin alone is one of the greatest boons to mankind.

    “Takes a ‘collectivist’ kind of mindset to ignore the individual’s suffering, for the good of the masses, may I say”

    Please do say. But I was not asked to comment on any one individual. So I am not ignoring it. However any one given individual, unless he occupied the Presidential palace, was likely to be better off under the British than under what went before or what came after.

  18. “unless he occupied the Presidential palace, was likely to be better off under the British than under what went before or what came after.”

    My grandparents and parents grew up as Catholics in Northern Ireland (actually, so did I – but I was post ‘direct rule from London’ and didn’t have it as bad as them). I’d argue they would have had it better under a southern Irish Government than that particular British one*

    *not that the southern Government wasn’t a big backwards socialist hell hole for much of it’s existence, just that they wouldn’t have been artificially blocked from ever entering the middle classes.

  19. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in Malta – “I’d argue they would have had it better under a southern Irish Government than that particular British one*”

    Would they? Let’s ignore the economic argument for the moment, and go instead with the Republic’s human rights record. Which was non-too-stellar was it? They had no problems with internment. Nor with the odd extra-judicial execution. You know, back in the day.

    “*not that the southern Government wasn’t a big backwards socialist hell hole for much of it’s existence, just that they wouldn’t have been artificially blocked from ever entering the middle classes.”

    Isn’t it fair to say that Dev’s economic vision was pretty much artificially blocking the rise of the middle class by forcing everyone into a backward looking vision of a Gaelic speaking nation of peasants? How much of a middle class did the Republic have before they threw that Celtic nostalgia aside to become proper crypto-Protestants?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    What you mean is that they would have had to immigrate unless they were tied to the ruling parties and so got a political patronage job.

  20. I mean to say that my Grandfather is (he’s still alive) a very intelligent man, degree educated, and got blocked from entering the (private) Belfast ship yards because of his religion – his father was Protestant, he was baptised Catholic and all his lesser educated Protestant cousins had no such problems getting jobs. He went on to work most of his later life as a bouncer outside a local night club. Most of his brothers migrated, but he didn’t (a fact he often laments). Most of this generation of our family have moved out of the shit hole estate we grew up in to become quite successful ourselves (teachers and doctors among our ranks).

    You’re probably not going to convince me that that imposed political system was good for our particular tribe – you’re fighting theoretically and I’m fighting empirically. And yes, I’m a big fan of the type of classical liberalism espoused by the likes of Locke, and how those types of theories transformed the world. My argument is it that form of British Liberalism wasn’t quite applied across the Empire that consistently (and we could be here all day with examples of how it wasn’t)

  21. So Much For Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “One person is claiming that, because he’s got a problem with reading comprehension. Are you by any chance related?”

    Thank you Paul for that detailed and nuanced critique.

  22. So Much For Subtlety

    I think that we are missing the important story here. Alien rape. We need lessons starting in primary school to warn young children against the risk of being taken by aliens in more ways than one.

    I came to this realisation after reading this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3408500/It-super-primal-sexual-experience-Group-women-make-extraordinary-claim-hybrid-children-fathered-ALIENS-live-giant-spaceships-say-best-sex-ever.html

    After all, we need to believe the victims, right? Women never lie about these sorts of things, right? We cannot create a hostile environment that would prevent other victims of alien rape/egg harvesting come forward!

    I think you could do a month’s worth of classes on everything that is wrong with this statement alone

    The former marketing executive refutes claims pointing to a lack of evidence of such encounters with aliens, saying the extra-terrestrials only take women who, on some level, ‘want to be taken’.

  23. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in Malta – “I mean to say that my Grandfather is (he’s still alive) a very intelligent man, degree educated, and got blocked from entering the (private) Belfast ship yards because of his religion”

    And the Republic made sure they had no ship yards at all. Because it did not fit with Dev’s vision of a Catholic, Celtic, peasant Ireland. Sure discrimination stings. But it is not as if there were a wealth of middle class jobs in the Republic.

    “You’re probably not going to convince me that that imposed political system was good for our particular tribe”

    How many of them moved to the Republic? Ireland-26 was losing something like half a million young people a decade after independence. Job opportunities was not something Irish nationalism has been good at.

    “My argument is it that form of British Liberalism wasn’t quite applied across the Empire that consistently (and we could be here all day with examples of how it wasn’t)”

    I would not disagree with that. I would just point out that the Mughals were not remotely better than what the British had to offer and the Permit Raj was only marginally better if that.

    I am not the one arguing theoretically. I am comparing the reality on the ground. You seem to be complaining because the British did not manage to produce some theoretical perfect society. Yes, the British in places like India could have been more liberal. That is not my argument. We can all sit here and carp about how things might have suited our particular prejudices better. The fact is of the viable alternatives, the British were best.

  24. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in Malta – “My grandparents and parents grew up as Catholics in Northern Ireland (actually, so did I – but I was post ‘direct rule from London’ and didn’t have it as bad as them). I’d argue they would have had it better under a southern Irish Government than that particular British one”

    I am not going to pass up the chance to do my best Menachim Begin impersonation and say the Irish equivalent of Goyim kill goyim and they blame the Jews?

    Irish people discriminated against other Irish people until the British Empire, or what was left it, stepped in and made them stop. And you blame the British?

  25. Dev, like much of his modern Republican contemporaries, was wrong. When faced with an authoritarian British ‘free market’ system, and everyone being a bit of a cunt, the natural tendency was to believe that the answer laid in an alternative system. So he stole some of the tenets of Socialism – he mixed them up with some Irish Catholic Conservatism, and he fucked the place up. Still, there was a Catholic middle class in the south, there was no Catholic middle class in the north – that alone proves that the southern system was the lesser evil (in fact, I can’t believe I’d have to argue over the fact that Unionist controlled Northern Ireland was pretty bad for its minority…)

    Anyway, choosing lesser evils is not really what I wanted to do. I wanted to argue that the British empire wasn’t all singing all dancing, to everyone.

    For what it’s worth, the likes of Sinn Fein now have fallen into the same trap as Dev and all those nationalist types, including the SNP in Scotland – when faced with an enemy who call themselves ‘free market’, and ‘right wing’, they then decide to declare themselves ‘Socialist’ and ‘left wing’. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as it were. So all the Sinn Feiners, when faced with a big militant authoritarian British state, imposing it’s will on them, decided that the solution was a big militant authoritarian Gaelic state, imposing its will on the other tribe…

    It never seemed to cross anyone’s mind, that maybe we implement a ‘wee liberal state’, which doesn’t impose control on anyone. We all just leave each other a-fucking-lone. Here I steal from the British Liberal tradition – and believe me, this kind of thinking makes me a crazy back home…

  26. @SFMS you can’t take credit for planting British ‘rule of law’ all over the world, then declare that the Brits you planted in Ireland are all just a bunch of Paddies, which were never your fault 🙂

  27. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in Malta – “When faced with an authoritarian British ‘free market’ system”

    How is the free market authoritarian?

    “and everyone being a bit of a cunt, the natural tendency was to believe that the answer laid in an alternative system.”

    Or more accurately he hated the British and the Protestant economic order they encouraged so much he was willing to cut off his nose to spite his face.

    “Still, there was a Catholic middle class in the south, there was no Catholic middle class in the north”

    That is not exactly true. Of course there was a Catholic middle class in the north. That is why, for instance, Bernadette Devlin’s working class Catholic father had trouble marrying her middle class Catholic mother. Both families opposed it. What there was was a dearth of government jobs for the Catholic Irish – which was more important because the Catholic Irish tradition has not been one of entrepreneurship but political patronage and pork barreling. They are culturally oriented away from the market and towards government jobs. Hence the New York policeman of myth and legend.

    “that alone proves that the southern system was the lesser evil”

    No it doesn’t. It depends on how the Republic treated its own minorities.

    “I wanted to argue that the British empire wasn’t all singing all dancing, to everyone.”

    No one has said it was.

    “It never seemed to cross anyone’s mind, that maybe we implement a ‘wee liberal state’, which doesn’t impose control on anyone. We all just leave each other a-fucking-lone.”

    That was the British Imperial tradition. Although leaving people alone meant leaving Irish Protestant alone to treat Irish Catholics pretty much how they liked.

    “you can’t take credit for planting British ‘rule of law’ all over the world, then declare that the Brits you planted in Ireland are all just a bunch of Paddies, which were never your fault :-)”

    Can’t I? It is not as baroque as most of the claims coming out of Ireland. The Ulster Irish are clearly Irish. They are Irish at least partly by descent. There has been a great deal of marriage and conversion across both lines. People have been moving back and forth between the two islands ever since humans came to Britain. They are by culture – no one on the Big Island waves the Red Hand of Ulster. But how long do they have to be there before they are indigenous?

  28. Or, and here’s a crazy thought, why not leave it up to parents to decide when & how to teach their kids about sex abuse?

    Because bigotted parents may not make their toddlers fully aware of the wide range of self-determined gender labels from which they may choose.

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