Quite right too

A suburb of the German city of Bonn has forbidden adult male refugees from visiting the town’s public pool, a city spokesman announced on Friday. After women at the municipal pool in Bornheim had begun complaining of sexual harassment, said the spokesman, it was clear that immediate action should be taken to protect the rights of the women.
Initially the men, who live in a shelter in Bornheim while they await the results of their asylum applications, were given access to the municipal pool as part of a small package of benefits. Soon, however, women began going to the manager saying the men’s behavior was unacceptable.
While none of the incidents amounted to anything illegal, the city said it was important first and foremost to make it clear to the men that in Germany, the rights of women are sacrosanct.

227 thoughts on “Quite right too”

  1. But we in West now. In West men oogle at ladyfolk, just look at Hooters Bar and decadant American Pie movie film. So, we go oogle ladyfolk now.

  2. “jgh
    January 15, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    But we in West now. In West men oogle at ladyfolk, just look at Hooters Bar and decadant American Pie movie film. So, we go oogle ladyfolk now.”

    *Ogle* all you want. Keep the comments and, most importantly, the hands to yourself.

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    Or even nudist beaches.

    The only solution, short of throwing them all out, is to make them sit through lectures about western culture and how we treat each other. They shouldn’t be granted asylum until they can show knowledge and understanding and a demonstrate that they know how to apply it and behave in a way that is acceptable.

  4. So, we go oogle ladyfolk now.

    Of course, the waitresses in Hooters are paid to be ogled. And “American Pie” is fiction (not that you’d necessarily expect the culturally deprived to be able to tell the similarity between that and, well, the Koran. Except there are fewer pictures in the Koran.)

    Although ogling is pretty much impossible not to do at the swimming pool (although eye-bleach is also necessary around me), it has to be done surreptitiously because most of the ladies have gone there to talk to their girlfriends whilst swimming slowly and a few have gone their to swim.

    Going to be ogled is normally for the beach.

  5. “But we in West now. In West men oogle at ladyfolk, just look at Hooters Bar and decadant American Pie movie film. So, we go oogle ladyfolk now.”

    There’s a vast difference between Ogling either sex, or Appreciating Natures’ Bounty ** in quiet contemplation.

    ** this is a pool.. ymmv on which bounty, its geographical position, and personal taste considering such matters.

  6. Maybe they should be issued with the inverted version of the Monty Python Hungarian phrasebook, in which the Arabic “You have nice tits, have sex with me” is translated into the German “Can you tell me the way to the railway station?” and “You are a dirty Western whore” translates as “What a delightful country this is” and so on.

  7. BiND: That assumes they give a shit about Western values. If you are raised to think that “no” isn’t an option for women no tonnage of leaflets./classes is going to change it.

  8. As I said in another thread; while it’s nice that there is now some grudging recognition of sexual issues between cultures, is this going to lead to a general recognition of the criminality burden of multiculturalism? I doubt it is.

    We are driving towards putting our women into a kind of purdah. But this is a general problem of ingroup/outgroup (or indeed ingrope/outgrope) and needs a far more general reassessment than I think anyone is prepared to admit to.

    The long standing problem of ethnic criminality in the USA should have been a warning fifty years ago (before the “thick.racist.prikc” stuff starts, think Irish gangs, Sicilian gangs…) but it was ignored and the consequent decades have been ignored in a welter of ideology about racism (by whites) being to blame for any and all ethnic problems, particularly criminality.

    We can lock them away. Or we can lock our girls away from them. It’s not really addressing the fundamental problem though. Is it?

  9. Why not just have every refugee go through a “welcome” program giving them an idea of how society functions. Anyone who can’t pass a simple test isn’t allowed to stay. Anyone that breaks a law they were informed about would know that the consequence would be getting kicked out of the country.

    I know this would add to the costs related to the refugees but at least they would have a clue on how or society runs. I seriously doubt anyone here wants the refugees that can adapt and lead successful lives to suffer.

  10. I seriously doubt anyone here wants the refugees that can adapt and lead successful lives to suffer.

    I’ve read that 75% of the migrants are illiterate in their own language.

    Success is not the first word that springs to mind…

  11. I copy this here to draw attention to a disgusting case of tyrannical abuse of the law.

    Agree with Tommy Robinson or not what has been done in an attempt to shut him down is a tyrannical abuse of the powers that the police/CPS should be wielding only in the cause of justice–not leftist vendettas.

    I have left off the links to the PERGIDA UK organisation as each person must make his/her own political choices but it is time the brazen politically motivated persecution of this individual is stopped.

    I have left the links to the petition and to Tommy Robinsons Oxford Union appearance.

    “Totalitarian Britain and Political Dissident Tommy Robinson

    by Paul Weston

    The news that Tommy Robinson was arrested Wednesday should send tremors down the spines of every British citizen who believes in justice and democracy. Tommy is no longer just a vocal opponent of the British state who engages in democratic argument, he is now a political dissident who can be persecuted at apparent will by the long arm of the newly totalitarian British government.

    Is this an exaggeration? Is it really possible that gentle England — home of Magna Carta, John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, John Stuart Mill and Winston Churchill; Common Law, John Mortimer’s “Rumpole of the Bailey” who was a liberal barrister constantly invoking the Golden Thread or as it is better known, The Presumption of Innocence — has now morphed into a jack-booted socialist dictatorship where the British quasi-Stasi can throw political dissidents into a Gulag whilst the leftist media bat nary an eyelash?

    Well, it would certainly seem that way. Consider the recent dictatorial outrages the British State has conducted against this incredibly brave, moral and decent young man. Tommy came to the fore as leader of the EDL, which he set up in response to government capitulation before Islamic supremacists, who went unpunished after shamefully abusing homecoming British soldiers for the “crime” of simply carrying out the edicts of the State.

    Pilloried and hounded by the government, the media and the police, Tommy and his family were subjected to serious and credible death threats (the police refused to provide any protection whatsoever, even after Tommy’s young children were threatened with rape and beheading) along with physical abuse and a campaign of leftist terror, all of which might have forced a lesser man into submission. But Tommy remained resolute in the face of a quartet of evils: Violent and supremacist Islam, violent and treacherous left-wingers, a Quisling media and a government dedicated not to exposing Islamic outrages but instead to shutting down the man who exposed the Koranic ideology behind the hateful behaviour of some British Muslims.

    Tommy was jailed last year for financial irregularities concerning a mortgage application. There are many amongst us (an awful lot of politicians included…) who have claimed to earn more than they really did in order to secure a mortgage, but very, very few of us found ourselves languishing behind bars for such a trivial offence. But after countless police raids on Tommy’s house, this was all they could they pin on him and dissident Tommy was duly banged up, thus removing an acute embarrassment to the government who were more than a little unhappy about their submission before Islam being made public.

    And this is when a slight form of injustice suddenly transformed into what can only be realistically described as political repression previously unseen in England — and repression eerily reminiscent of genuine totalitarian dictatorships. Tommy was placed on a wing with many Muslim inmates and a contract was put out (and taken up by a Somali born murderer) to throw boiling water (laced with sugar to make it stick better) into his face.

    Tommy asked the prison governor to move him to a safe part of the prison. The governor refused. A prison warder threw Tommy into a cell containing several Muslims and locked the door in order to ensure Tommy took a serious beating, which he duly did. A rather more humane warder warned Tommy about the “boiling water in the face contract” so when he found himself alone with four Muslims, one of whom was the aforementioned Somali murderer holding a jug of boiling water, Tommy defended himself before the water could be thrown.

    The prison governor took no further action, but the Somali murderer contacted the police, who were keen to prosecute Tommy for racially aggravated assault… although the charge was subsequently dropped, presumably owing to the sheer embarrassment of initiating it in the first place.

    Tommy was then released early, on the condition he declined from talking publicly about Human Rights Under Islam. The left-liberal media saw no apparent need to publicly puzzle over this extraordinarily curious state of affairs. A man imprisoned for mortgage irregularities is threatened with further jail time for talking about human rights!? In Britain! Surely this could not possibly be true. We are not after all East Germany circa the 1970s… or so we would like to believe despite the ever growing evidence to the contrary.

    On Monday, the 4th of January 2016, shortly after the media, police and left-wing politicians failed to muzzle the story of Islamic sexual assaults carried out against girls all across Europe on new Year’s Eve, Tommy announced the formation of a Pegida UK movement with myself as leader, women’s rights activist Anne Marie Waters as deputy leader and Tommy as overall co-ordinator.

    On Wednesday the 6th of January the British police issued a warrant for Tommy’s arrest with regard to the crime of “battery” — said battery being defending himself against Somali murderers who wished to disfigure him with boiling water laced with sugar, a convenient weapon when the usual Islamic route of acid in the face was limited by the distinct lack of acid available to Muslim inmates within Her Majesty’s Prisons.

    Tommy will appear in court on February the 3rd, just three days before the planned Pegida vigil in Birmingham on February the 6th. How convenient for the British government is that? I would be surprised if Tommy is allowed to walk free from this grotesque pantomime masquerading as British justice. Just as the dissidents hauled before Peoples Courts in left-wing Communist countries were always guilty as charged, so I fear will be the case with Tommy.

    If Tommy were a brown Muslim he would have been ignored by the government and the police if he was calling for the overthrow of our secular liberal democracy, the subjugation of the Jews, women, homosexuals and non-Muslim infidels — or Untermenschen as the Nazis would term them — but Tommy has become a dissident in England because he is a native Brit standing up for traditional, moral, decent and gentle British values in the face of Islamic and left-wing hostility. How can any reasonable left-liberal fail to see this and fail to be shocked by it?

    If there is one upside to this ongoing persecution, it is the exposure of the cowardly, hateful, obscene, left-liberal establishment personified by Cameron, the BBC, the British police, Justice Minister Michael Gove, Channel 4, Sky News, Hope not Hate, Unite Against Fascism etc, all of whom have been given a clear choice between good or evil, morality or immorality, bravery or cowardice, democracy or dictatorship and all of whom have taken the wrong side and now stand exposed and naked in all their loathsome, treacherous, totalitarian “glory.”

    And where are the human rights activists in all of this? It is clear that a serious breach of justice is ongoing with regard to Tommy, but where is Michael Mansfield QC? Where is the fragrant Shami Chakrabarti of the somewhat inappropriately named human rights campaign group “Liberty“? Where are the eager-beaver human rights lawyers who devote so much time and energy to prosecuting innocent British soldiers whilst defending guilty British Muslims who holiday in Syria on false passports?

    The short answer to that is: They are nowhere to be seen. These activists have been shown a truly shameful breach of human rights verging on the totalitarian, but they clearly don’t really believe in human rights at all which manifestly come second to left-wing identity politics and Islamic appeasement. Their shameful silence tells us all we need to know with regard to their true credentials, which essentially speaking is nothing short of whoring themselves out to Islam and to left-liberal political ideology. They are all truly disgusting and evil to the last man and “feminist” woman.

    Tommy, in stark contrast, stands on the side of Good in this battle of good against evil. Some will continue to label him a racist (despite his many black and brown friends) and will continue to believe the propaganda churned out by our Quisling media. To such people I would pose a number of requests. First, they should read his book Enemy of the State which details his life and the State persecution he has suffered.

    Next, they should watch the following video taken from Tommy’s address to the Oxford Union. It is rather long but it is also essential viewing if — unlike the Left — you really want to see what a decent and moral sort of a man he is, and also to recognise just what totalitarian depths the British State has sunk to in order to shut him down.

    Another must-see (and shorter) video is Tommy on the aftermath of the Islamic sexual assaults across Europe on New Year’s Eve. I challenge any left-liberal with a heart, or any reasonable person able to see through state propaganda to watch this passionate declaration and fail to recognise honesty and decency when it’s placed directly before them.

    If readers empathise with Tommy’s ideology, bravery and commitment then they should sign the following petition addressed to Prime Minister David Cameron which calls for an independent review into Tommy’s unjust persecution.”

    https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independent-review-into-the-treatment-of-tommy-robinson

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2g6jswi574

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08ZPbUBmb30

  12. As many of us crazy Libertarians have been saying for a long time, we are not in danger of Britain becoming a police state. It already is one. It a very formal, everything by the book sort of police state (the British way, after all) but that is what it is.

  13. I think SE was implying that you should have linked to the article rather than copy it all into the thread, Ecks.

  14. If you mean the links to PEGIDA–I left them of as I didn’t want anyone saying I was campaigning for them. As I said each person can make their own mind up.

    My concern is the brazen persecution of someone TPTB don’t like.

  15. This is a case of bolting the door after the horse has bolted. Or rather, the door should have been bolted and the wolves kept outside and away from the horse. It’s all a bit late now, isn’t it?

  16. Stephen Yaxley-Lennon has done time for assaulting an off-duty policeman who intervened to stop him beating up his girlfriend (which makes his concern about “our women” being attacked by muslims look a little hypocritical). He has some thuggish far right connections, and he has been imprisoned for serious mortgage fraud. He may well have been treated badly in prison, and his civil liberties may have been infringed. However, setting up this inarticulate thug as a hero and martyr gives the opposition to muslim immigration a bad name.

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    Theophrastus – “However, setting up this inarticulate thug as a hero and martyr gives the opposition to muslim immigration a bad name.”

    The only socially acceptable way to make sure an inarticulate thug is not a martyr is to not treat him in such a way it results in martyrdom.

    We are back with Nick Griffin being thrown in a cell for telling people about Rotherham. That is unacceptable. Treating the Fascists like this gives them credibility that normally I would say they do not deserve.

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    Just in passing, on the subject of oogling, after the fuss over the New York girl who walked the streets and filmed men who said various things to her, someone got a model to walk down the streets of a New Zealand city.

    No one said anything.

    Some parts of the West are now diverse and vibrant. The locals therein bring a diverse and vibrant approach to talking to women. Having wanted the first, the Left can hardly complain about the second.

  19. Arnald,
    Thanks for the link, but it’s a bit obvious and tedious I’m afraid (I like the idea of self-pixelating face cream though).

    The annoying bit is the constant references to “people a bit browner”, blah blah. Fuck me, that’s tedious.

    This may come as something of a shock, but not all non-whites are Muslim. Not even a majority. It’s Islam itself that most of us see as a problem, and many of its core principles are actually illegal in the UK. Christianity often gets a hard ride for the same reasons. (Christianity, by the way, is by no means whites only. You’d be amazed. But, again, it’s not the racial make-up of believers that causes the criticism).

    Can you not see the gap between, say, Guardian values and Islam?

  20. “In other news: white priests fuck children”

    Yes, some do. But what’s the relevance?

    There have been many shocking white people; just look at the World Wars, and Communism.

    However, if a Singaporean was to criticise European Fascism, I wouldn’t immediately assume it was based on racial hatred.

    Would you?

  21. “But what’s the relevance?”

    Dangerous Christians undermining our way of life. Highly influential, in the House of Lords, for instance.

    Exporting tyranny to the rest of the world.

  22. “However, if a Singaporean was to criticise European Fascism, I wouldn’t immediately assume it was based on racial hatred”

    No, who said anything about racism? But you’d blame every Muslim for the actions of 0.00001%* of their total population.

    *There are probably more violent followers of US bible belt insanity.

  23. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “No, who said anything about racism? But you’d blame every Muslim for the actions of 0.00001%* of their total population.”

    Pretty much every Muslim is fine with the actions of 0.00001% of their total population. Besides, it may be 0.00001% of their population that is building bombs and killing people, but every Muslim country is a sh!thole that persecutes non-Muslims to varying degrees because pretty much every Muslim wants it that way.

    “*There are probably more violent followers of US bible belt insanity.”

    There is no violence coming from the Bible Belt. Americans, as long as they are White, are incredibly law abiding and peaceful. This is just your moronic bigotry.

  24. “No, who said anything about racism?”

    Britain Furst. All that stuff about “brown people” I mentioned?

    “*There are probably more violent followers of US bible belt insanity.”

    These days we have TV news so can compare and contrast quite easily. If there are more violent US Christians than there are violent Muslims, they’re not very active are they?

    Islamist atrocities are extraordinarily common throughout the world, and to such an extent that most go unnoticed in the West.

    For every WTC or 9/11 or Madrid or Bali or London or Karachi or Hebdo or Paris or Jakarta there are a host of lesser events.

    Are you mad?

  25. Theo::”He may well have been treated badly in prison, and his civil liberties may have been infringed. However, setting up this inarticulate thug as a hero and martyr gives the opposition to muslim immigration a bad name.”

    It was never suggested–by me at least–that he was a saint. But I don’t care if he is an outright admirer of Adolf including growing a little moustache. If what had been done to him had been done to any of the leftist yahoos this country produces the media etc screaming would be audible on Mars. Contrast and compare that with Robinson.

    As for “serious mortgage fraud”–ever heard the name Mandelson? Contrast and compare the treatment of the two also.

    Clearly Robinson is one of the oiks you look down your nose at but that is not enough for people to stand by while he gets the treatment. Cos if you do Theo it brings nearer the day when the screws get to decide which cell full of hostile scumbags they are going to lock you in while nobody gives a shit due to your unpopular views.

    As for “inarticulate”–please point us toward your YouTube channel where you speak out against attacks on British women.

  26. Frances,
    “Having now encountered American white supremacists for real, I can tell you this is just your moronic bigotry.”

    White supremacists are loathsome, and that’s about it. They’re not posing a genuine threat to US cities, let alone foreign capitals.

    And if they did, I doubt that they’d last very long.

  27. FC: You sure they were whities Francis–they could have been in whiteface. after all.

    Please let us know about what horrors you have been subjected to in the US bible belt–we are all keen to hear. Did somebody commit some verbal microagression that upset your delicate earholes? Cos all those nasty white supremes are always around this neck of the woods mob-handed, jamming their fingers into every female orifice they can find.

  28. “But you’d blame every Muslim for the actions of 0.00001%* of their total population.”

    No I wouldn’t, you made that up.

    I don’t blame people for being Muslim anymore than I congratulate myself for being born in relatively fortunate circumstances.

    Don’t forget Sunni v Shia violence by the way. There are rather more Muslims involved in Jihad than you seem to think.

  29. Islamnald: Polls across the Islamic world show 60+ % of those polled in favour of every rotten deed under the crescent moon–honour killings/death to apostates etc, etc.

    The absence of any real anti-jihadi groundswell outside of a few carefully staged taquiya specials says everything about where most islamics sympathies really are.

  30. FC–So the horrors visited upon you are from twitter? You make a stunningly moronic and indeed wicked statement and then wonder when people–even nutters–sick to the back teeth of crawling islam -sucking leftists say nasty things to you. Free speech it is called. A shame the Islamic New Year Fun Squad couldn’t have confined their abuse to social media but there you go. It must come from their being so much nicer than nasty wicked whites.

  31. FC–The same political slime “blowing up their cities” are the same middle/upper class Marxist scum inviting them to come over here and show us their so-fine sensibilities. The various wars should never have been started and can stop tomorrow as far as I am concerned.

    If you want to whine about the wars talk to your fellow leftists from Bush to Obummer, from Bliar to Mr E U Phig-Fooker. Tell them to knock it off. Via Twitter because it is such a powerful weapon.

  32. Frances,
    Well, they can’t leave by the million because there are so few of them.

    What do you think it is about Muslim countries that makes people so keen and/or desperate to leave? What is the root cause of the bombing?

    Islam is a pretty nasty ideology, and and the Sunni/Shia schism makes things even worse, and much harder to contain. Importing it to Europe is not a long-term solution, regardless of how tragic individual cases may be.

  33. You know when the Guardian lefty types jump gleefully over any negative economic news – or every time some random stat shows that poor people are getting it hard we get the ‘hah! told you Capitalism doesn’t work!’

    I get the feeling that every time a brown person gets a bit rapey we get the ‘hah! told you they were all rapists!’ from the right wing, including on here, from people who should know better.

    Not that there’s not a higher prevalence of rapey cunts from sexually repressed societies – more that the bigots are sitting waiting to jump all over every piece of evidence which confirms beliefs they already held.

    So yeah, I’m basically saying that half you fuckers are the mirror image of those mopey confirmation-bias-loving Guardian types.

  34. Mr Ecks

    Like nearly every moron on this blog – and on twitter – you swallow whole the gibberish you are fed and convert it into toxic slime. You don’t think, you don’t ask questions and you don’t even notice what is in front of your nose.

    The comment to which you refer was taken out of context – as would be obvious to anyone who understood twitter. It was part of a conversation in which I repeatedly said there was (at that time) no evidence to support the allegations that refugees were responsible. The point was that there was no evidence for ANYTHING, so all theories were equally valid. That was understood by the person to whom my comment was addressed.

    But of course you and your kind prefer to dismiss me as barking and pursue your witch hunts rather than admit that waiting for evidence might be the right course of action.

  35. Jack C

    It’s awfully easy to blame a single cause for the migration. I don’t think there is one. Obviously Syria is being torn apart: those who remain face being blown up or starving to death. Do you blame people for leaving? But why Syria is in such a mess is complex. Too many people say “it’s all the fault of Islam”. And equally, too many people say “it’s all the fault of the Western world and its wars”. Personally, I think that the West’s intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya dangerously destabilised the entire region, and the “Arab Spring” made matters worse. Radical Islam, carefully nurtured by the Wahabis (with implied support from the US), stepped into the breach.

    I also think that the West has been unutterably foolish in its handling of its own Muslim communities, including second and third generation immigrants and converts. Tolerance has its limits, and radical Islamic mosques and schools have breached those limits. We slept while they set up terrorist sleeper cells.

  36. Oh, and Mr Ecks. Free speech does not include the right to make death threats, or to abuse someone because of what you believe to be their race or their religion. The white supremacists I encountered did all of those. Some of them thought I was a Muslim man in disguise. Others thought I was Jewish. I now DO know what it feels like to receive death threats because of my “race” and my “religion”. Do you think “get gassed, yid” is an acceptable thing to say?

  37. FC: You have form as preferring culture -enrichers over the native British–altho not living next door to you of course. And “refugees” or not the Cologne–and all the other German cities that got the treatment –didn’t get it from native Germans.
    That much is beyond dispute. But you were in there looking for some way–any way– to shift the blame off the actual perps. No doubt the whiteface idea was not put forward seriously–but that was only because you knew it was too outlandish to be taken seriously even by anti-white crawlers. Had there been the slightest chance the mugs might have swallowed it I have little doubt you would have said it for real. You were searching for some more credible excuse but that one got picked up much to your dismay. What annoys you is that you have been called correctly –you were looking for any excuse you could find to let islamics off the hook. You are just miffed you have now lost credibility the next time your culture-enriching friends need some outrage downplaying or covering up.

  38. “Islam is a pretty nasty ideology”

    What if Mohammed had not made up Islam in the 7th century, but a white man today claimed some god spoke to him in dreams and had communicated that we should be living in accordance with Islamic ideology?

  39. I get the feeling that every time a brown person gets a bit rapey we get the ‘hah! told you they were all rapists!’ from the right wing, including on here, from people who should know better.

    Not that there’s not a higher prevalence of rapey cunts from sexually repressed societies – more that the bigots are sitting waiting to jump all over every piece of evidence which confirms beliefs they already held.

    This is funny and so typical of respectable opinion. No one is saying “They’re all rapists”. Clearly, many are not. Nevertheless, it seems obvious that there is a much higher prevalence of rapiness in these refugees than we in the west are accustomed to. Which you yourself admit.

    So tell me, Mr. Bloke In Malta, what is to be done? The current strategy appears to be “full speed ahead with refugee resettlement and try to cover up as many problems as possible with the help of a compliant media” Are you on board with that? One would think that government policies that directly result in mass rapes ought to open to question from the voting public.

  40. FC–Death threats –not made my mind up about that one. Talk is covered. If the person actually intends to kill/harm then threats are stupid serving only to warn. Threats as a form of attempted intimidation might be objectionable.

    Racial/religious abuse is certainly acceptable under free speech. “Get gassed Yid” is not a threat merely a verbal wank from some loser. Are you saying that you seriously fear the individual in question is going to attempt to gas you?

  41. BiM–You are just another excuse-maker. You tell us the last time 1000 white men in any European city went down to the railway station for some groping/raping/thieving en masse action.

    All islamics may not be rapists–but nor are they doing very much to stop those who are. And the recent imports have even worse attitudes than those already here. Living in Malta for fucks sake you should have idea of the damage and destruction caused over the centuries by the same beliefs now arriving in the West.

    And the real issue is where matters will be in 20 -30 years when what is left of us are the despised minority in our own nations.

  42. Mr Ecks

    I see you choose to disgorge your toxic slime rather than actually reading what I have to say. However, I will make one more attempt to talk sense.

    I’m not going to respond to your ridiculous statement about “culture enrichers”, nor to your absurd allegation about where I live (about which you know nothing). I am simply going to repeat that until the German authorities have completed their investigation, we DO NOT KNOW who was involved or what their nationalities are.

    The rest of your comment is just idiotic. Do you still have a brain, or has it turned into a pile of Islamophobic mush?

  43. Mr Ecks

    Twitter disagrees with you, I’m afraid. The account that issued that threat was suspended. It is not acceptable to issue anti-semitic death threats, and completely wrong of you to dismiss them as a joke.

    Threatening someone in order to intimidate them into silence is not consistent with free speech. However much you may hate what they say, they have the right to say it.

  44. I’ve been working with Muslims (African immigrants all) on a daily basis now for 15 years – Somalis mostly, but with some Nigerians, Ghanians and Ethiopians thrown in as well. This sexual abuse of women in Europe is not an Islamic phenomenon – it’s an Arab phenomenon, and even then the intensity of it varies from country to country.

    Somali men don’t travel in packs (at least the ones in Central Ohio don’t, I can’t speak for the Minneapolis Somalis), and from my experiences with them, I’d guess that if an average Somali caught another Somali hassling a women – any woman – he’d beat the shit out of the guy before an America had a chance to draw his entirely legal concealed semi-automatic pistols and blow the bastard’s head off.

  45. Actually I have seen the comment “”Muslims are rapists” many times. How is this different from “they are all rapists”?

    OK. The internet is a big place, so you win this over-literal and semantic point, I guess.

    The issue when you’re talking about importing a large population cohort is that it doesn’t a very large percentage of aggressive, crime-prone assholes to cause some really bad problems.

  46. FC: A lack of evidence doesn’t make all theories equally valid. Probability is there. A plane blows up and the theory that it spontaneously combusted isn’t equal to that of a bomb. You can apply Occam’s Razor rather than tin foil hat conspiracy theories related no doubt to your cognitive dissonance where the people you’ve been championing go all rapey.

  47. “I see you choose to disgorge your toxic slime rather than actually reading what I have to say. However, I will make one more attempt to talk sense. ”

    Why start now?

    “I’m not going to respond to your ridiculous statement about “culture enrichers”,”

    That would be because you can’t in view of your statements about how we English are xenophobes who need to be swamped by aliens to break us of our nasty outlook.

    “nor to your absurd allegation about where I live (about which you know nothing).”

    I can’t claim to know with certainty where you live but commentators on here have said you live in (97% white) Rochester and you yourself –if memory serves– have given agreement to that by saying you live there because house prices are cheap there. I cannot speak to the veracity of that because I am not a stalker and have no personal interest whatsoever in where you live beyond the political dimension.That it seems entirely typical that those who squark their endless love of multi-culti paradise don’t want to live amongst those the have help to import.

    ” I am simply going to repeat that until the German authorities have completed their investigation, we DO NOT KNOW who was involved or what their nationalities are. ”

    Their nationality interests me not at all. Their belief system does. Are you saying that this attack was involved a multi-culti team? Were there whites and/or Chinese/Japanese amongst these attackers? Please don’t think to fool people with the “nobody knows until the coppers pronounce” crap. They were followers of the RoP–whether mostly new imports or not is not very important.

    Also–anyone not an idiot middle-class Marxist would not trust the German police to tell them the time of day–as far as this matter goes. They are a bunch of lying, politically controlled glove-puppets who spew the CM line at all times. They did nothing about the Cologne attack, caught 5 out a 1000 malefactors but turned up next day 1500 strong with water cannons and flash-throwing agent provocateurs to bust up the anti-islam protest . The police will say whatever Angela ” Fat-Arse” Merkel and her stooges script for them.

    “The rest of your comment is just idiotic. Do you still have a brain, or has it turned into a pile of Islamophobic mush?”

    You clearly have no answer for my comments and there is no such thing as islamophobia or any of the other bullshit “phobias” peddled by cultural Marxism. Your use of the terminology of said leftist scum indicates exactly what you are and what you are about.

    “Twitter disagrees with you, I’m afraid. The account that issued that threat was suspended.”

    Couldn’t care less about the cultural Marxist dominated opinions of the clowns at twatter.

    ” It is not acceptable to issue anti-semitic death threats, and completely wrong of you to dismiss them as a joke.”

    You do not appear to even grasp the structure of English. An individual who said that his intent was to gas you might credibly be said to be making a threat.

    “Get gassed Yid” is not a threat. It is a weak insult to anyone who is not a vapouring (no pun intended)leftist. It states no intent and is merely a expression of ill will. The nature of the ill-will–be it supposed racism or anti-Semitism– is irrelevant outside of the poisoned distinctions drawn by the would-be mind manipulators of socialism. It is neither worse nor better nor more or less powerful than any other type or style of insult.

    “Threatening someone in order to intimidate them into silence is not consistent with free speech.”

    Were you being threatened with violence or some other unpleasant sanction then what you say has some truth in it. You may have received some threats that are at least correctly formatted as threats rather than the simple insult that you choose to present(presumably as the nadir of comments you received). Even actual threatening language does not mean that the threat made is credible by any sensible standard of assessment.

    ” However much you may hate what they say, they have the right to say it.”

    That is exactly what you are complaining about.

    Your comments about the Serbian War fail to recognise that the major element in forging the Serbian national character has been their centuries of battle against the brutal assault and rule of islam. The Ottomans were always a brutal crew even by the awful standards of centuries gone by. Who battles with monsters etc. And as Dennis above points out–war and peace are two different things. If this is what is to be expected of our “guests” in what is laughingly called peacetime, what will it be like by the time the war is finally obvious even to the dumbest in society.

  48. DocBud,
    “Islam is a pretty nasty ideology

    What if Mohammed had not made up Islam in the 7th century, but a white man today claimed some god spoke to him in dreams and had communicated that we should be living in accordance with Islamic ideology?”

    I’m not sure what you’re getting at here?

  49. Frances,
    “Personally, I think that the West’s intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya dangerously destabilised the entire region”

    That intervention appears to have incompetent in almost every detail, however the region was already dangerously unstable and always has been.

    Brutal dictators may give the appearance of stability, but they’re not much fun for the inhabitants. And it’s only a mirage: an example being the Iran/Iraq war.

    Europe also has a long history of instability.We’ve been through Wars of Religion and then Totalitarianism. We could without another aggressive cult.

  50. Jack C,

    What I was trying to get at is that those on the left and in authority contort themselves to defend the nasty ideology of Islam and accuse anyone who dares point out the truth of its origins and beliefs of Islamaphobia. However, had Islam only be made up in recent years by a white man, what would their reaction be? I doubt that the term Islamaphobia would have seen the light of day.

  51. I’m still waiting for Frances to retract her bizarre conspiracy theory now that we know the main bulk of those arrested were indeed refugees.

    Like she promised she would.

  52. Frances brought this verbal attack on herself with her ridiculous theory that German nazis blacked up, learnt arabic and went on a rapefest in Cologne on NYE.

  53. What if Islam was developed now?

    You could ask the same about a woman saying she was inpregnated by God, and her son claiming to be the son of God and also God at the same time. Then, years later, God/son of God going around claiming to have healed people and, having got fed up with tax collectors, trying to build up a campaign to overthrow the establishment.

    The difference in the “West” to many other places is not that our religions are better or that they have a sounder, more testable, basis; rather, the “West” has decided not to put too much emphasis on scripture. Instead, most of us believe that individual freedom is the basis for a reasonable society.

    Basically I am saying that this discussion is about culture, not religion.

  54. Blue Eyes,

    I’m not trying to make any point about western religions. Islam is misogynistic, homophobic, intolerant, brutal and totally at odds with western, democratic values. Furthermore, it is self-evidently the fabrication of a megalomaniac warlord who was a murderer, rapist, slaver and pedophile. Despite this, it is above criticism by those who would decry such behaviour and beliefs in anyone else and anyone who dares to point out just what a load of utter evil bollocks it is finds themselves branded a racist and Islamaphobe.

  55. JuliaM: Like she promised she would.

    I didn’t realise she had made such a promise.

    I had assumed that her credibility was so shot to bits that she was lying low as a result but no, Murphy-like, she fights on with “toxic slime” and accusations of “moronic bigotry” (which equates to neoliberal sophistry) in the new Frances Coppola Lexicon ©.

    In a sense it’s quite brave to post here about having endured the slings and arrows of outrageous tweets and suffered a hail of hostile hashtags.

    Moronic is as moronic does.

  56. So Much For Subtlety

    Frances Coppola (@Frances_Coppola) – “The comment to which you refer was taken out of context – as would be obvious to anyone who understood twitter.”

    I hope you get better soon – you seem to be going through some issues right now. And normally I would not reply to this sort of thing. But I am curious – what possible context would make your comments any less hateful?

    “The point was that there was no evidence for ANYTHING, so all theories were equally valid.”

    Surely you can see what a logical fallacy that is? If there was no evidence, there is no sane reason for saying that it is just as likely it was done by Jimmy Savile’s Zombie corpse dressed in a tutu.

    “But of course you and your kind prefer to dismiss me as barking and pursue your witch hunts rather than admit that waiting for evidence might be the right course of action.”

    1. You did not wait for evidence and 2. that evidence was, of course, being suppressed by the police and governments of about six different countries.

    Frances Coppola (@Frances_Coppola) – “Tolerance has its limits, and radical Islamic mosques and schools have breached those limits. We slept while they set up terrorist sleeper cells.”

    Really? You don’t like all that cultural enrichment after all?

    Frances Coppola (@Frances_Coppola) – “Free speech does not include the right to make death threats, or to abuse someone because of what you believe to be their race or their religion.”

    Actually it does. Or it is not free.

  57. Julia,

    You still don’t get it. It was never a “theory”, dimwit. It was always a straw man. The point, as I have repeatedly explained to you and others, is that there needs to be EVIDENCE before you start hurling accusations. At the time that I made that comment, there was no evidence of anything.

    You need to be more careful with your use of the term “refugees”. Germany does not deport people whose asylum applications have failed. Those people are illegal immigrants, not refugees. The media conflates the two.

  58. So Much For Subtlety

    Frances Coppola – “The point, as I have repeatedly explained to you and others, is that there needs to be EVIDENCE before you start hurling accusations. At the time that I made that comment, there was no evidence of anything.”

    Says the woman who accused White men of carrying out the attack.

    There may have been no evidence that the people who did it, actually did it. But there was even less evidence that the people you accused of doing it did it.

  59. @Frances Coppola: How about a little competition?

    I name a Christian country that is democratic, and respects the rights of women, different sexualities and religions, and then you name an Islamic country that does the same. Whoever runs out of countries first pays £100 to a charity of the others choosing.

    I start with the UK.

    Your turn.

  60. So Much For Subtlety

    Dennis the Peasant – “That “white guys doing rape” was a war crime. Criminal? Yes. Exactly the same phenomenon as organized gangs doing rape in peacetime? No.”

    How does it differ?

  61. Frances Coppola: Can’t say I’m bothered, frankly

    No, I can see that.

    p.s. “Frankly” = “Candidly”

  62. Mr Ecks,

    You say “their nationalities interest me not at all”. Then you say “were there whites or Chinese/Japanese among the attackers?” You seem to be assuming that all Muslims are brown, and all people of North African or Arab appearance must be Muslim. Neither is true.

    You don’t mean culture, you mean race. Why try to hide your racism? After all, you say it’s fine to express violent racist views. Why don’t you just say what you really think and cut this “cultural” crap? We all know you think Europe should be for white people only and the wogs should be deported.

    Don’t go on at me about the virtues of free speech until you actually practise what you preach.

  63. I suspect he agrees with me that rapey muslims and muslims who want to bomb us should be deported or shot, irrespective of their skin colour. What is your solution?

  64. So Much For Subtlety

    Really? You did not tweet, and I quote,

    “I suspect anti-immigration ppl of organising the Cologne sex crimes. Fastest way of getting borders closed.”

    ?

  65. So Much For Subtlety

    Frances Coppola – “Oh, and one more thing, Mr Ecks. You really seriously think that Serbian men raping Muslim women was excusable because of their history? Jeebus.”

    So they have a complex and difficult history. You are claiming there is good cultural diversity and bad cultural diversity now?

  66. What is upsetting FC is that altho’ the media picked up and ran with an allusion she was probably not serious about (white men blacking up is too stupid even by the moronic standards of CM), the fact is that her detractors have exactly caught her spirit in this matter.

    She was in there alibiing for the culture-enrichers and looking for any grist to her mill. She is annoyed that a ridiculous trope she casually threw about was seized on at face value and disseminated in such a manner as to make her look like an obvious nutter. Rather than a believer in and supporter of the slightly more subtle insanity and evil of CM.

    She is being correctly portrayed as an apologist for evil. She would be quite happy with that role if she could have had more credible excuses to peddle rather than having daft ones receive the publicity.

  67. SMFS

    You have omitted one little but very important detail, and that is the fact that another person was tagged at the start of tweet. That means it was part of a conversation. In that conversation I repeatedly said we should wait for evidence before making accusations. This tweet was a STRAW MAN. I was being sarcastic – and the person I was talking to understood that. Unfortunately the watching swivel-eyed loons like JuliaM didn’t.

  68. “Oh, and one more thing, Mr Ecks. You really seriously think that Serbian men raping Muslim women was excusable because of their history? Jeebus.2

    Did I say that their activities were excused –on any grounds? I pointed out that those who battle monsters–may become monsters themselves. Does your exceedingly weak grasp of the English language suggest to you that such a statement is an “excuse”?

  69. To quote myself:”She is annoyed that a ridiculous trope she casually threw about was seized on at face value and disseminated in such a manner as to make her look like an obvious nutter”

    Welcome to our world Frances.

  70. Good, we are getting there. Mr Ecks understand that it was not a serious suggestion. Now all we need is for him also to understand that I don’t give a stuff about what he calls “CM” but I AM interested in the rule of law. I don’t like witch hunts, kangaroo courts and lynch mobs. If crimes have been committed I want proper investigation and the gathering of evidence so that the real perpetrators can be brought to justice. I said this repeatedly both before and after the tweet in question. Funny that none of you noticed. You were too busy with your witch hunts.

  71. SMFS

    To the contrary. Culture does not excuse crime. I never, ever said it did. Rape is a crime, whoever commits it. My sole purpose in all of this was to point out that “trial by media” is no substitute for the rule of law.

  72. So Much For Subtlety

    Frances Coppola – “To the contrary. Culture does not excuse crime. I never, ever said it did.”

    I did not say you did. Nor did I. I did say that the Serbs have the sort of exciting diverse alternative culture you seem to love so much and want to import to Britain to make it so much better.

    Or are you saying that not all diverse and exciting cultures are equal?

    By the way, like young Muslim men, you have form. So if you are claiming the thread was sarcastic, cite it. Quote it in full.

  73. Mr Ecks

    Yes, I am annoyed about that. I spent hours and hours on Twitter trying to correct that impression, but Twitter is too big for me. The tweet went viral and nothing I could do would stop it.

  74. [email protected] you seem to take a view that the UK is great because of the Christian heritage. But there are large Christian groupings outside of the EBU countries and they do not equal us economically or on intelligence measures.
    Europeans have spent a good portion of the years 1776 to 1945 beating seven shades of crap out of each other and seem to have at last grown up, but it is being grown-up sceptical European that now makes Europe great, not believing some fabricated tales in the Gospel of Matthew about virgin births and a census that never happened.

  75. Sebastian Weetabix

    The rule of law should apply to Muslims like everyone else. So if they are born here, the punishment for rape or terrorism is imprisonment, not execution or deportation. If they are recent immigrants, they could be deported – but I’m not sure that’s a brilliant idea if the crime is terrorism. Might be better to lock them up and throw away the key.

  76. Frances Coppola: I spent hours and hours on Twitter trying to correct that impression, but Twitter is too big for me. The tweet went viral and nothing I could do would stop it.

    In which case, it’s a bit thick to call anyone else moronic.

  77. FC:”You say “their nationalities interest me not at all”. Then you say “were there whites or Chinese/Japanese among the attackers?” You seem to be assuming that all Muslims are brown, and all people of North African or Arab appearance must be Muslim. Neither is true.”

    You attempt to muddy the waters ( oh no!–another racist allusion!!). I don’t care what race or nationality the attackers were (Chinese/Japanese are two nationalities who belong to the same race). You do. It would be of no consequence if middle-east importees were marmoreal white in colour instead of swarthy. What matters is their poisonous cultural belief that tell them all women and esp Western women are fair game.

    “You don’t mean culture, you mean race”

    No I don’t

    “Why try to hide your racism?”

    Why make false accusations of it? Now who is looking for excuses? I am an alleged racist so Islamic rapists aren’t so bad?

    ” After all, you say it’s fine to express violent racist views.”

    It is fine to express ANY view. After all If any view deserved to be smashed it would be socialism. A vile creed that has murdered 150 million human beings so far. Yet here you are slinging your garbage in support of it. And in support of the destruction of the nation that has brought your cosy middle-class lifestyle into being.

    ” Why don’t you just say what you really think and cut this “cultural” crap? We all know you think Europe should be for white people only and the wogs should be deported.”

    Here we see the reality of the middle-class Marxist bullshit that fills her head. Move to Malmo Frances and then the “suburbs” of Paris say–live there unprotected for a while. Have a few culturally-enriching experiences and then tell us how wonderful your multi-culti paradise is. You don’t live in it but you have no problem forcing it on others.

    Small numbers of migrants is one thing. Millions imported with the aid and connivance of socialist scum with the aim of undermining and destroying the native society is another. It is the second of those you stand for.

    “Don’t go on at me about the virtues of free speech until you actually practise what you preach.”

    So free speech now means pandering to the ignorant biases of well-off middle class leftists does it? I don’t actually mean what I say because you KNOW what I REALLY think. If we are going to get into the REAL issues of others I suggest you sort out your middle-class teenage Mummy/Daddy issues and re-examine your attachment to the festering CM hatred that you spew.

    But perhaps I’ve been too kindly in my assessment–perhaps you are the unsubtle type of nutter after all.

  78. Andrew Carey,
    Don’t forget the years leading up to 1776. We should feel lucky, not superior.

    Modern European Christianity is mild and malleable, so we’ve had an advantage there. However, there are still run-ins with western laws, and it becomes harder and harder for people to accept the exceptions granted to Christian Churches.

    Islam, which is considerably more specific, not least in relation to non-believers, and considerably less “fluffy” is a different kettle of fish.

    Being a devout Muslim and conforming to UK law is a pretty tall order.

  79. No, Mr Ecks, I don’t care what nationality the Cologne criminals are. I don’t care what their religion is, either. They could be green asteroid-worshippers from Mars, for all I care. I care about the fact that they are criminals. That is all that interests me.

    Depressing that you have retreated into frothy-mouthed ravings again. In your previous comment there was at least a glimmer of sanity. Here, there is none.

  80. MB

    I would be the first to admit that the tweet was a very bad idea. Sarcasm doesn’t travel on Twitter, and conversations are not private. But one ill-considered tweet does not make me thick. Or moronic.

  81. “FC:Depressing that you have retreated into frothy-mouthed ravings again. ”

    If you are depressed now you had better buy in several barrels of St John’s Wort tablets before the future arrives. The “fun” has hardly started yet.

  82. As many others have pointed out, when will Frances stop repeatedly telling us all, on every occasion she can find, how not bothered she is about all this..? 🙂

  83. Frances

    On 30/08/15, you said:

    The UK already has its fair share of homophobes and misogynists and is notably xenophobic. I for one would regard immigration as a good thing if it helped to shift dysfunctional cultural attitudes and entrenched racist xenophobia.

    Do you still hold to this opinion?

  84. Frances,
    But religion is a factor here. Different religions have different rules. You can’t ignore it.

    Neither have you ignored race: you’ve used it to accuse all “Islamaphobes” of racism, which is a pretty low trick. (Not in Arnald’s league here, but still).

  85. Frances Coppola: But one ill-considered tweet does not make me thick. Or moronic.

    A white middle aged woman should surely be aware that “it’s a bit thick”, like “it’s a bit rich” or “it’s a bit much” means “it’s excessive”.

    And I didn’t say you were moronic, I said you’re entitlement to call others moronic (having first discarded good manners and common courtesy) was rather impaired by doing something which you admit was not clever.

  86. MB,
    That use of “it’s a bit thick” always reminds me of that supreme moral arbiter Bertram Wooster (I know Jeeves was the brains of the operation, but he had an opportunist streak).

    Where is Bertie when we need him?

  87. Frances,
    This is the sort of thing:

    You say “their nationalities interest me not at all”. Then you say “were there whites or Chinese/Japanese among the attackers?” You seem to be assuming that all Muslims are brown, and all people of North African or Arab appearance must be Muslim. Neither is true.

    You don’t mean culture, you mean race. Why try to hide your racism? After all, you say it’s fine to express violent racist views. Why don’t you just say what you really think and cut this “cultural” crap? We all know you think Europe should be for white people only and the wogs should be deported.

  88. Theophrastus,

    Yes, I do. But note it my comment is conditional. If the effect of immigration is to make racist xenophobia worse – which is what seems to be happening – then I would not regard it as beneficial, at least on those grounds.

  89. If you are a non-Muslim and you don’t utterly despise Islam then it is reasonable to assume you are a moron. If you are an educated Muslim and you don’t realise your faith is an utter crock of shit then it is also reasonable to assume you are a moron.

  90. When the bullshit is all cut thro’ it boils down to this :

    On New Years Day 1000 of our dear “guests” went down to Cologne station ( and lots of other places) for a grope/rape fest.

    1000 OF THEM.

    If just 10 or 5 had done so there might be something to the “few rotten apples” shit. 1000 says it all. This is Islamic culture in action–not a just a few bad guys.

    We need all Islamic imports stopped at once and the heavy hand put on those here. No more tolerance for their antics and state money for one woman and two kids max per family. No more state subsidised breeding program( And that doesn’t count the huge cost to taxpayers in other services provided to migrants as well as the direct hand-outs). Also they need to lose the vote so there will be no chance of an ever-growing voting power block being formed.

    If the middle-class anti-waycists don’t like that –too bad.

  91. FC:You claim not to be a cultural Marxist but their evil creed decides the very words that are allowed to come out of your mouth.

    I use whatever terms I choose regardless of the opinions of socialist scum. The majority of Europeans are white and I use that term as I see fit.

    I am unconcerned with what colour islamists may be.

  92. Frances,
    Oh come on. There may be some Muslim Japanese and Chinese also.

    Being anti-Muslim is not the same as being “anti-brown”, but it’s very commonly flung around.

    On hearing the news from Burkina Faso this morning, I assumed Islamism was the probable cause. And was proved correct.

    Does this make me xenophobic, and/or a racist?

  93. Mr Ecks,

    What a great idea. Remove voting rights from people who follow the wrong religion, and institutionalise discrimination against them. Because it worked so well when we did that to Catholics. Facepalm.

  94. If you are a non-Muslim and you don’t utterly despise Islam then it is reasonable to assume you are a moron.

    I’m an atheist, and in that sense I think all religions are wrong. But I don’t despise any of them. I think that Islam is the most dangerous of the major monotheistic faiths, because its teachings reflect its history of having been spread by conquest. But really there’s not that much difference between them – the stuff commentators here have been decrying in the Koran has its equivalents in the Old Testament. And the history of claiming religious
    justification for atrocities in war is much the same.

    The way a religion gets interpreted is more of a reflection on the culture which has adopted it than on the religion itself. It’s unlucky that the world’s greatest oil wealth is found in Saudi Arabia and has been used to pay for the export of Wahabiism.

    Being a devout Muslim and conforming to UK law is a pretty tall order.

    If you are an educated Muslim and you don’t realise your faith is an utter crock of shit then it is also reasonable to assume you are a moron.

    I know several educated Muslims. They attend Mosque, abstain from alcoholic drinks, observe Ramadan. They even disbelieve in the theory of evolution. They have no trouble whatever conforming to UK law, and they are much more intelligent than many of the commentators here.

  95. Ever heard the word “Dhimmi” Frances?

    Now– after matters have been adjusted to the point where islamics will NEVER be a majority or even a large minority in the UK then we can consider re-enfranchisement.

    Perhaps after 100 years a review of the record of our guests can be held. If they have changed, if they have adopted decent values and cultural standards in line with Western values then the vote may be restored.

    Altho in honesty freedom is more valuable than voting–to those who want to get on with the quiet enjoyment of their lives. Politics is about who gets to lord it over others. The scum we have are bad enough. Without allowing takeover by those with the standards and values of seventh century barbarism.

  96. SJW–Many of your nice intelligent muslim mates hang about railway stations much?

    Classic deceitful leftist bollocks. Are we importing all the nice intelligent, well-behaved people from the Middle East then? And if 5 or 10 yobs had kicked off on New Year instead of 1000 your malarkey might just have flown. Sorry –not close and no cigar–not even one of BIlly-Boy Clintons spares.

    And when 1000 Christians–or for that matter Buddhists– steam into a railway station and lots of vaginas ( and cite the Old Testament as justification) then come preaching the contemporary equivalence of all religions.

    And your disdain for same is esp hypocritical considering you are a follower of socialism –the nastiest and most evil of the lot.

  97. SJW,

    I know several educated Muslims. They attend Mosque, abstain from alcoholic drinks, observe Ramadan. They even disbelieve in the theory of evolution.

    But they must still be morons if they don’t realise that Mohammed was a bastard and their entire religion is a fraud.

  98. O Seige of Gurn-sea: What has some defunct Aryan Nation (or whatever) crap from 2009 have to do with anything. Did anybody say that were no bad whites. You and SJW are living proof that there most certainly are. The entire rotten maggot circus that is socialism past and present proves that there are large numbers of bad whites. Although in the entire awful history of socialist murder, tyranny and abusive evil there has not–to my knowledge at least– been a train station steaming. Many examples of individual and mass rape certainly but never a fetish for mass transport terminal based abuse. So once again socialism is left behind–this time on its previously only successful ground. That of pioneering new fields of evil and mass real-life horror.

    Never mind lads you have a glorious past to look back on

  99. “You’re such a mental spastic, Ecks. Do you have any self-awareness?”

    Show mercy Arnald–you devastating wit and repartee is all too much for me.

    What I lack in self-awareness I more than make up for in accurate perception of the blood-soaked vileness that is socialism.

  100. Semantic point. Xenophobia simply means “fear of strangers”. It does not have to be racist.

    So when SJWs describe opponents as xenephobes, they simply mean they have a fear of strangers, they don’t mean they are racist scum who should not be listened to.

  101. “decrying in the Koran has its equivalents in the Old Testament”

    The OT hasn’t been much relevant to European Christianity for a great many years. It is indeed pretty grim stuff, but so what? The key difference is that the Bible is not the absolute, literal and unchanging Word of God, at least not to mainstream Christians. When did you last feel threatened by a Christian group?

    You’d be better off bringing up those more recent Euro-cults, Marxism and Fascism surely?

    “They have no trouble whatever conforming to UK law”

    Including equality legislation? Really? I doubt it.

  102. “O Seige of Gurn-sea”

    Wot?

    “but never a fetish for mass transport terminal based abuse.”

    The Japanese even have a word for it, I believe.

    There are loads of “Christian” cults that view it necessary to rape their wives and daughters.

    1.6bn Muslims and you label each one vile? You’re a pisstake, Ecks. There are more members of white supremacist cells than there are Daesh. They’re just like you, hiding in the forests in their log cabins, eating squirrels and berries and waiting for the revolution. There’s even commies under their beds.

    I think you are a closet Marxist. You mention it about a thousand times a day. And while your tourettes finds an outlet here, you’re not kidding anyone that you’re intelligent.

    It’s basically cutting and pasting from Stormfront.org.

    You are a small man who looks up to his big brother, So Much Fucking Shit.

    Now fuck off and worship Fred West.

  103. I love Arnald’s’ posts on here! He really is wag, isn’t he?

    Either that or he is a complete fool… hmm, wonder what it can be.

    Still, there is only one thing (if the latter case) that the Arnalds of this world need to know: you can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

  104. “The OT hasn’t been much relevant to European Christianity for a great many years”

    It never had any relevance, or should never have. Thats the whole point of CHRISTianity. Christ brought a New Testament to replace the Old Testament. So Christian’s faith is based on the New Testament not the Old. The ‘Turn the other cheek’ one, not the ‘An eye for an eye’ one, and so on and so forth. If course some Christians have done a bit of cherry picking from the old, mainly the bits about gays and wanking, but its 99% irrelevant to the culture of what Christianity is. Its just history.

  105. “Including equality legislation? Really? I doubt it”

    And this shows the paucity of your thinking. You obviously have no idea about mainstream Islam.

    Thank whatever gods there may be that a few on here are able to recognise the bigger picture.

    You are implying that my mates and half my colleagues are wife beaters and rapists.

    It is seriously offensive, the whole of this thread is. It’s the worst of Little English paranoia and overt hatred hidden behind gross ignorance, the only argument you have is to criticise anyone who has a gramme of intelligence.

  106. umm

    so you’re another one claiming that England is under threat from swarms of radical islamists?

    Me, a fool?

  107. Jesus was a terrorist, wasn’t he? Those Christians coming over here, displacing the local traditions and forcing people to die or be penitent.

    “except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.” Luke 13:5

    And then we have that lovely US/UK foreign policy. But of course that has nothing to do with anything except the export of our culture and traditions, in a good ole Christian way.

    For SMFS’s benefit, a Northern European set of values.

    This is the blog where nearly every other thread is about rejecting the idea that women get raped, that it’s merely feminists reacting to micro-agressions. A blog that doesn’t believe in human trafficking and sex slavery. By white Christians.

  108. Arnald,
    Calm down. I’m not implying that anyone is a wife beater or anything else. Islam is the target, not individuals.

    “You obviously have no idea about mainstream Islam”

    You know that women don’t have the same rights as men in Islam, that they are less free to make their own choices?

    Do you know that homosexuality is often or usually illegal in Muslim states?

    Defending these principles by pointing at Christianity just doesn’t work. First, I don’t suppose there are many on here who are actually Christian, and second, so what?

    Straight question, how do you feel about the Catholic attitude to homosexuality? Wrong? Or none of your business?

  109. Arnald:
    “This is the blog where nearly every other thread is about rejecting the idea that women get raped, that it’s merely feminists reacting to micro-agressions. A blog that doesn’t believe in human trafficking and sex slavery. By white Christians.”

    Just making stuff up; pulling it straight out of your arsehole. Complete with a link to Stormfront and the accusation: “The Worstall axis of shit.”

    Do carry on. Let us know more of your thinking.

  110. “Jesus was a terrorist, wasn’t he?”

    No, at least there’s no evidence that he was.

    Mind you, there’s little or no evidence that he existed at all.

  111. Arnald,
    I’m intrigued by this one:

    “A blog that doesn’t believe in human trafficking and sex slavery. By white Christians.”

    Do you mean it’s a blog by white Christians, or are you talking about trafficking and sex slavery BY white Christians?

  112. PF

    “Complete with a link to Stormfront and the accusation: “The Worstall axis of shit.”

    Do carry on. Let us know more of your thinking”

    This thread:

    “but every Muslim country is a sh!thole that persecutes non-Muslims to varying degrees because pretty much every Muslim wants it that way.”

    “Polls across the Islamic world show 60+ % of those polled in favour of every rotten deed under the crescent moon–honour killings/death to apostates etc, etc.”

    “there is no such thing as islamophobia or any of the other bullshit “phobias” peddled by cultural Marxism. Your use of the terminology of said leftist scum indicates exactly what you are and what you are about.”

    “And the real issue is where matters will be in 20 -30 years when what is left of us are the despised minority in our own nations”

    “Islam is misogynistic, homophobic, intolerant, brutal and totally at odds with western, democratic values.”

    “Being a devout Muslim and conforming to UK law is a pretty tall order.”

    “We need all Islamic imports stopped at once and the heavy hand put on those here.”

    I”f they have adopted decent values and cultural standards in line with Western values then the vote may be restored”

    “If you are a non-Muslim and you don’t utterly despise Islam then it is reasonable to assume you are a moron”

    Tell me, PF, how can I not compare that to Stormfront?

  113. Arnaladdin: If you had any more shite you could establish your own franchise.

    “There are loads of “Christian” cults that view it necessary to rape their wives and daughters.”

    Such as–??? Outside of the fetid cell that is your imagination.

    “1.6bn Muslims and you label each one vile? ”

    Again get your head out of your arsehole and speak to what was said not your own mental illness.

    “There are more members of white supremacist cells than there are Daesh. They’re just like you, hiding in the forests in their log cabins, eating squirrels and berries and waiting for the revolution. There’s even commies under their beds.”

    Fantasy bullshit from he who accuses others of the same.

    “I think you are a closet Marxist.”

    Now you are getting nasty. Or nastier. Supporting a death cult that has murdered 150 million is already very nasty.

    “you’re not kidding anyone that you’re intelligent.”

    As compared to you Dickless?

    “It’s basically cutting and pasting from Stormfront.org.”

    I don’t visit socialist websites Arnald.

    “Now fuck off and worship Fred West.”

    More non-sequitur shite. WTF has Fred West got to do with anything? ?? You fucking mental patient.

    “Toss”

    A master(de)baitor as ever Gurn-sea Boy.

    “And this shows the paucity of your thinking. You obviously have no idea about mainstream Islam.”

    And you do Mr Informer?

    “Thank whatever gods there may be that a few on here are able to recognise the bigger picture.”

    ??? You are quoting dialogue from the wrong play here it seems son. Did you wander in from some drug enhanced dimension?

    “You are implying that my mates and half my colleagues are wife beaters and rapists.”

    You don’t have any mates –they found you as a baby in a bin behind the Labour club.

    And you are also playing the same shite as your pal SJW above. Assuming your Islamic “colleagues” actually exist outside of your deceit, it makes no difference that they are non or semi-practising islamics. When push comes to shove most will do what they are told by their leaders. As in Germany 1939. Most Germans wanted a quiet life not total war. But is the leaders who decide.

    “It is seriously offensive, the whole of this thread is.”

    Coming from a cunt like you who is on here every day defending mass murdering and torturing socialist scum, talk of something being “offensive” is rich indeed.

    ” It’s the worst of Little English paranoia and overt hatred hidden behind gross ignorance, the only argument you have is to criticise anyone who has a gramme of intelligence.”

    1000 yahoos–1000 -and many others in other locations–decide on and carry out a mass sex assault and you talk a lot of shit about OUR paranoia and hatred. An act of supreme contempt towards women and without a gramme (sic) of decency but we are the bad guy?. Go fuck yourself Lawrence Whelk.

    “Jesus was a terrorist, wasn’t he? ”

    Yeah–and you are a decent human being.

    “Those Christians coming over here, displacing the local traditions and forcing people to die or be penitent.”

    And you qualify for a post as 0.00002 of a history teacher.

    “except you repent, you shall all likewise perish.” Luke 13:5″

    In your case –even if you repent you are still going to perish–Lo because you are a cunt.

    “And then we have that lovely US/UK foreign policy. But of course that has nothing to do with anything except the export of our culture and traditions, in a good ole Christian way.”

    Our present leaders are socialist scum Arnald –like you-who have manufactured the refugee crisis that is bringing lovely islam to us all. Like you they are also confused and evil fuckwits.

    “This is the blog where nearly every other thread is about rejecting the idea that women get raped, that it’s merely feminists reacting to micro-agressions.”

    This is a blog where people broadly can tell truth from leftist fiction and lies.

    Leftscum like yourself merely say the same in reverse Arnie-boy. Poor white women are raped very day by wicked white men who only have to look sideways at them to do so. While Islamic males would never harm a hair on a woman’s head. Prob because the pubic ones would be in more danger.

    “A blog that doesn’t believe in human trafficking and sex slavery. By white Christians.”

    There is ample evidence that the entire trafficking horseshit is the deceitful invention of lying Marxist feminist scum. And as for Christian involvement in trafficking the truth is that Christians are some of the most ridiculous and credulous mug believers in and opponents of supposed (but actually non-existent) people-smuggling.

    In short Arnie–go fuck yourself once again.

  114. Arnald:
    “Tell me, PF, how can I not compare that to Stormfront?”

    You need to concentrate, Arnald. First, I’m “PJF”, not “PF” – we’re different commenters. More importantly, the quotes you’ve selected are comments on Tim Worstall’s blog, not Tim Worstall’s blogging. Tim has a very open (i.e. free) comments policy, and it is silly to confuse any commenter’s opinions with his. After all, someone might just as well take your comments as evidence that Tim Worstall is a clumsy, socialist idiot.

    Please, do compare your selected quotes to Stormfront. The link you provided didn’t. Perhaps you could provide one that does.

    This particular quote:
    “Islam is misogynistic, homophobic, intolerant, brutal and totally at odds with western, democratic values.”

    Can you demonstrate that this is not true? Just to make your life easy, you can concentrate on the homophobic point. Can you show us that Islam is not homophobic?

  115. Arknob: “Tell me, PF, how can I not compare that to Stormfront”

    You can compare it to Marvel comics if you like you Pustulant Eunuch, It wouldn’t make most of it less true.

    The fact is that hate filled CM scum have invited millions of islamists into Europe and are subsidising a breeding programme which will expand their numbers into tens of millions in 2 to 3 decades.

    I want more freedom. But if we do not stop the above plan–and plan it is–freedom itself and all the personal and economic/technical marvels that freedom has created will be dead and gone. Scum like Mr Lawrence Whelk of Gurnsey WANT exactly that to happen.

    If the rest of us don’t then the time is coming when we will have to stand up and stop what is going on.

    And piss on Stormfront and on you in equal volume Larry.

  116. PJF

    Many apologies to PF, an accidental slur.

    So a more apposite link

    I’m afraid Mr Ecks is flying the flag for thick Christian white supremacists, here on Worstall’s blog.

  117.  Frances

    If the effect of immigration is to make racist xenophobia worse – which is what seems to be happening – then I would not regard it as beneficial, at least on those grounds.

    One lesson of history is that mass migration leads to ‘racist xenophobia’, as well as cultural conflict, disease, terrorism, crime….though there can be some economic advantages as well.

    Today, we face mass islamic immigration, while the left continues to peddle the Myth of the Moderate Muslim (MMM). Yet no observant muslim is moderate, as s/he holds many views that are incompatible with support for western norms – including the erasure of Israel from the world map and the belief that infidels are a lower form of life. The doctrine of taqiya permits them to lie to infidels about their desire for the ultimate triumph of islam. So the friendly and tolerant neighbour Abdul will not remain so when muslims are a majority in the UK and the local imam is insisting on sharia.

    Far, far better to follow the wise words of Paul Collier in Exodus, and discourage islamic immigration by subsidising ‘refugees’ to stay in nearby countries.

  118. Jack C: Where is Bertie when we need him?

    He’s cheesed it and gone to the Drones probably. Thinking that Boko Fittleworth had changed his name by deed poll to Haram was the final straw.

  119. So Much For Subtlety

    Frances Coppola – “I have no form whatsoever for excusing crime on grounds of culture.”

    Yet again no one is saying you do. I am asking a simpler question which has clearly been made hard because these people did break the law.

    So an even simpler question: in the town where my employer is located, several young Black males gather outside the train station. They ask every passing woman of reasonable age for sex. They are not breaking the law. There is nothing the police can or will do. The look on the faces of the passing women suggest the vast majority are not exactly thrilled by this.

    May I ask – is this the sort of exciting and diverse culture that you support and you think that we should all be forced to accept?

  120. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “Why do you capitalise black? Is it only black guys that behave like that? No it’s not, is it.”

    Out of respect for my Afro-Caribbean brothers of course.

    Is it only Black guys who behave like that? Well in my part of the woods it is. But I am sure that there are some vibrants elsewhere who are less melanin-rich who do it too.

  121. Must say. There’s been heroic efforts on here to hold s sensible debste with a remarkably stupid woman. But let’s be honest. What did you expect? From one of the attention whores, fills the hole in their life infesting twatter? The internet solution to masturbation with a keyboard. Where everyone desparately tries to get the last word in & no opinions are changed. Ever.

  122. Amongst all the angst, precision dissections of people’s words, what they said and when they said it, what is racism or culturalism or religionism, of which I’ve read about a third, there seems to have been one point that was missed in the detail.

    If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

    It was perfectly obvious to anyone that what happened in Cologne was organised, that it had both cultural and religious roots, and that while not every member of either should be tarred with the same brush the level of acceptance of that behaviour is/was far too high. Everyone can nitpick each others’ statements all day, talk about waiting for the results of investigations, bring up priest child abuse (really Arnald?) but the problem is fucking obvious. And saying the local pool is off limits to people who haven’t been accepted as residents yet is hardly violating their human rights.

    Don’t fall for the diversion of people like Arnald and FC people. They want to talk about anything but the elephant in the room. And lead you down the garden path of semantic gibberish.

    Hell, I sneak a peek down the barmaid’s cleavage when she’s pouring a drink like any other man. Don’t tell my wife. And precious western women claiming non-existent discrimination or harassment annoy me as much as anyone else.

    But I don’t think I’m going too far out on a very strong limb here to say that in this case, even in the absence of documented evidence, we’re talking about very overt behaviour. Quack.

  123. Arnold,

    The comments under this article at the Indy are are looking like Stormfront by your definition, i.e. a lot of people think Islam is an evil, backward Medieval cult not worthy of respect. Of course, that is precisely what it is, it’s just that the powers that be don’t want us to talk about in case the whole non-Muslim population finds out what an utter crock of shit we are being told we must respect and accord equal cultural status to.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-s-foreign-affairs-minister-urges-britain-to-respect-kingdom-s-death-penalty-two-weeks-a6815586.html

  124. MB,
    “He’s cheesed it ……..”

    What a perfect expression. (I never got why “apple sauce” meant rubbish though).

  125. DMS:
    “Fucking Hell, who was that Frances Coppola? I don’t read the blog for 3 days and it gets invaded by a retard.”

    Ms Coppola did provide a link to her blog:

    http://www.coppolacomment.com/

    Wherein you will see that she is not intellectually retarded.

    However, since she believes that not letting migrants in is worse than burning people alive; subjecting young girls to sex slavery; throwing homosexuals off roof tops; etc, etc, etc (ad nauseam), then we can see that her intellect spins around a moral and emotional core that is perhaps a little less developed.

  126. Arnald:
    “So a more apposite link”

    A link to Tim’s article above.

    Yes, agreeing with banning a group of troublemakers (sexually harassing women, no less) from the local swimming pool is pure Stormfront. Posted from the back seat of his six wheeled Mercedes, no doubt.

  127. It’s an interesting dilemma.

    5 strangers knock on your door (all men in their early 20s). They explain that 4 of them are jolly nice peaceful people who would behave themselves perfectly. One of them is a misogynistic rapist who hates you and your way of life. You can’t tell who is who.

    Should you feel guilty about deciding not to let any of them in to your house?

  128. Andrew: Its worse than that.

    The other four are a drain on your resources because you are subsidising and even fully bankrolling them (50% of Islamic male migrants are unemployed and 75% of female).

    You also never quite know what the psycho is up to as far as the other four are concerned. They are all at least willing to keep their mouths shut about what he is up to–at minimum. How much more influence and possible control he has remains unknown. If one or two of the others are persuaded to accept the nutters viewpoint and to back whatever he wants to do–do the remaining others have the moral fibre to speak out–let alone stand up to him?

  129. Arknackered: You are an active supporter of mass-murdering socialist scum.

    You come on here and put up a link to supporters of more mass-murdering socialist scum. Except it is a slightly heretical group of mass murdering socialist scum that you claim to hate. So much for family life.

    Apart from proving that as well as being a piss-poor specimen of a human being you are no logician–

    ie–Because some people who don’t like islamics are hateful socialist heretic scum–therefore everyone who doesn’t like islamics is hateful socialist heretic scum.

    Logic–you’ve shit better mate.

    Stop wasting your time numpty. You can’t really waste much of ours because both you and your “arguments” are so dumb that the typing time is all that is needed to drop you and they in the bin.

  130. I’m keeping a dying squirrel alive here, but I don’t get the view of FC. The commentary of interest is here:
    https://archive.is/nN00G
    It was 6 days after the crimes occurred.
    If I’ve read things right, she says she saying in a sarcastic way that in the absence of evidence ( 6 days of no evidence?, or was it 6 days of no evidence on her own radar ) that even a crazy theory should not yet be discounted.

  131. It was perfectly obvious to anyone that what happened in Cologne was organised, that it had both cultural and religious roots…

    It’s not in the least obvious to me that the assaults had religious roots. There’s nothing in Islam that legitimises drunkenness, sexual assault, or robbery.

  132. SJW: “There’s nothing in Islam that legitimises drunkenness, sexual assault, or robbery.”

    Drunkenness: Correct

    Robbery: Correct if you are a fellow Islamic–Kuffirs–another story.

    Sexual Assault: If you are talking about in-house women who have an “owner”–Husband/Father/Brothers etc. Kuffir women?? You must be joking.

    There are 527 verses in the Koran intolerant of non-muslims and 109 verses calling on the faithful to make war on non-muslims.

  133. There’s some ugly stuff in the Koran, but how many verses are there permitting robbery or sexual assault of unbelievers? None.

    “…no one who drinks wine is a believer at the moment when he is drinking it, and no thief is a believer at the moment when he is stealing, and no robber is a believer at the moment when he is robbing and the people are looking on…”

  134. “…no one who drinks wine is a believer at the moment when he is drinking it, and no thief is a believer at the moment when he is stealing, and no robber is a believer at the moment when he is robbing and the people are looking on…”

    Good grief. I don’t know where that comes from but it’s a hypocrite’s charter and a crime would only be a crime if there were witnesses to it.

  135. So Much For Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “It’s not in the least obvious to me that the assaults had religious roots. There’s nothing in Islam that legitimises drunkenness, sexual assault, or robbery.”

    Drunkenness yes. Muhammed did not like that. But Islam is derived from three sources officially (in practice there is a fourth – custom). They are the Quran, the Sunnah of Muhammed and the opinions of the clerics. Muhammed took sex slaves. He endorsed the enslavement and rape of non-Muslim women. He did it himself. The consensus of the scholars has agreed. That is two of the three sources openly endorse rape of non-Muslim women. Just as the US Constitution is said to implicitly recognise slavery by the three quarters compromise, so too does the text of the Quran recognise sexual slavery. As in:

    33:50 “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war.”

    Come on. This is basic Quran 101. Modern Muslims know it and accept it to varying degrees too.

    http://forums.understanding-islam.com/showthread.php?7663-Who-are-women-whom-your-right-hand-possess

    Social Justice Warrior – “There’s some ugly stuff in the Koran, but how many verses are there permitting robbery or sexual assault of unbelievers? None.”

    Although there still remains the Sunnah. Muhammed did it. Therefore it is not merely permissible but praiseworthy for Muslims to do it.

    You keep denying Muslims agency by foisting your little SJW fantasy version of Islam on them. They are not harmless little natives who need the big White man to come and save them. They can speak for themselves. Let them do so.

  136. So Much For Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “Deuteronomy 21:10-14 says much the same thing. Both are reprehensible, but neither has anything to do with assaulting women on the street.”

    No one is calling for the application of Deuteronomy. What is more Christians have never called for the application of Deuteronomy. When they do I will start to give a sh!t.

    Until then you are just deflecting from the fact that you are wrong and the little brown people you patronise so much actually don’t believe what you want them to believe – and your disgust at the society that hosts you is paying the price.

  137. So Much For Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “This is not too difficult even for you to understand. The sexual assaults in Cologne have got as much to do with the Quran as sexual assaults at Oktoberfest have got to do with the Old Testament.”

    Actually it is. Because it is not true. On the one hand you have a post-Christian society which no longer believes in a religion that has never taught them to rape women. Of any sort. On the other hand you have people of Muslim faith who still believe in their religion which does teach them it is admirable to rape non-Muslim women.

    This is not so hard you can fail to understand it. Therefore you are being deliberately obtuse because you do not want your absurdly provincial and insular world to collapse under the pressure of the truth. I pity you.

  138. So Much For Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “No, Islam does not teach that it is admirable to rape non-Muslim women. That is a lie.”

    No it isn’t. Because yes it does. Muhammed did it and therefore it is Sunna. There is simply no point trying to dispute this – and feel free to find a single Islamic scholar who agrees with you.

    “The Lord’s Resistance Army believes in child sex slavery. That doesn’t make child rape a Christian teaching.”

    Quote them. That is without ignoring the obvious No True Scotsman. Which is not a fallacy in this case.

  139. SMFS

    The answer to your question is very simple.

    If those men are not breaking the law, then the problem is the law, not their colour.

    Kerb crawling, which involved (white) men in cars asking any woman they pass for sex, was made an offence precisely because the women didn’t like it.

  140. PJF

    “However, since she believes that not letting migrants in is worse than burning people alive; subjecting young girls to sex slavery; throwing homosexuals off roof tops; etc, etc, etc (ad nauseam), then we can see that her intellect spins around a moral and emotional core that is perhaps a little less developed.”

    Where, precisely, have I expressed this belief? It certainly is not on my blog. Or on Twitter.

  141. Andrew Carey,

    The squirrel died a long while ago.

    FYI, the excerpt you provide is only a small part of what was a very long and complex thread. You note, no doubt, that I suggest several “conspiracy theories”, only one of which was taken up and circulated. What the excerpt does not show is my severe criticism of the German police, who for several days concealed the fact that the attacks had taken place, because it showed them in an extremely poor light. At the time of this discussion, the news of the attacks had only just reached mainstream media, and the only “evidence” that migrants were involved was in an unsupported statement from an unidentified member of the Cologne police, which had at that time been denied by official sources. Hence my sarcasm.

  142. SJW, SMFS, JackC

    Can I point out that whether the Quran does or does not endorse rape of non-Muslim women is really beside the point? The men were drunk, and that IS expressly forbidden in the Quran. They also committed robbery, which is not only forbidden but carries a life-changing penalty under sharia law. So these men were not practising what their religion teaches anyway.

  143. Ltw,

    Where on this thread (or anywhere else, for that matter) have I said that the decision to ban migrant males from the swimming pool was wrong or premature?

    And when have I ever said that the behaviour of the men in Cologne – and elsewhere – was “acceptable”?

    All I ever said was that the rule of law should be upheld.

  144. Well, who knows. Were they all drunk? How would we know?

    On the other hand, it is okay to take what you can from unbelievers, and if you can capture a woman you can do what you like with them.

  145. FC:”Kerb crawling, which involved (white) men in cars asking any woman they pass for sex, was made an offence precisely because the women didn’t like it.”

    Nonsense on stilts.

    Kerb Crawling was disliked by the residents of certain streets were the ladies gathered to ply their trade. Residential streets where ordinary solid citizens lived. Who didn’t want prossies around. That is the source of anti-kerb crawling laws.

    The idea that –white–men drive around random streets randomly asking random women if they are willing to shag for cash is the kind of ludicrous tripe that only middle-class leftists would be dumb enough to believe.

    If sex work was legal as it should be in a free society there would be no such thing as kerb-crawling anyway.

    We now need only wait a while for Arnsnot to appear with comment about my knowledge of kerb-crawling being via experience. Just to save the need of another post:

    1–While I entirely approve of sex work as a legitimate profession, Ladies of the Street are at the very low end of same and therefore provide poor quality service with attendant risk of disease and crime against the person.

    2- Given that prostitutes would pay not to have sex with Armould I anticipate his verbiage by suggesting that he poach his wedding tackle in salt water over a slow fire on the beach at Gurn-sea.

    “They also committed robbery, which is not only forbidden but carries a life-changing penalty under sharia law. ”

    If you rob a fellow muslim. They are in fact commanded to take the lands and women of unbelievers. So how is petty thieving from the same kuffirs a crime to them?

    “And when have I ever said that the behaviour of the men in Cologne – and elsewhere – was “acceptable”?”

    You have never said that the behaviour was–in itself–acceptable.

    But you have done your best to deny that the migrants old and new have been shaped by the many objectionable aspects of their culture. Which has been and still is shaped by the religion.

    You have done this–apparently- to justify the continued mass exodus of such people into Europe despite the fact that the demographics strongly suggest that this will lead to your own native people being a despised minority in what was once their nation in approx. 30-50 years.

    You must–it would therefore seem–entirely approve of such a goal.

    Also –the fact is that lots more capers than just New Years Eve demonstrate that sexual terror is now like to descend on European women. Because of the presence of large numbers of imported males who don’t give a shit and regard women as fair game. By agitating for ongoing importation you declare by your actions and your advocacy that you care nothing, even for your own sex, and are willing to hold evil leftist “anti-waycist” cant over and above the well-being of others.

  146. @Frances Coppola

    “The men were drunk”

    Were they? I mean, you have seen the breath or blood tests?

    I only raise that point because when some things had been ‘reported’ (that they were immigrants) you were quick to challenge this as just a report.

    Whereas the fact that the men were ‘reported’ to be drunk, you are accepting – as it then makes them ‘not good Muslims’ and so separates them from ‘good’ Muslims.

    Maybe they were sober. And behaving towards non-Muslims as they believe they can and should?

    I don’t know.

    I just think it’s wrong to pick and chose which bits of the ‘reports’ you accept and which bits you reject, just to suit your argument.

    No?

  147. So Much For Subtlety

    Frances Coppola – “They also committed robbery, which is not only forbidden but carries a life-changing penalty under sharia law. So these men were not practising what their religion teaches anyway”

    Muhammed began his career in Medina by robbing caravans going to Mecca. Their religion does allow robbery. Of non-believers.

  148. This is a window on how clean western culture is.

    It beggars belief that a lot of you blame the world’s ills in Islam, when the west is as deranged and fucked up all by itself.

    http://worldcultwatch.org/

    The rot is already there. You are merely distracting from a wider human failing.

    Also it would help the refugee crisis if we stopped bombing civilians left, right and centre.

    Ecks

    The reason I gave you Stormfront to read is because the expression of hatred is exactly the same as your, nearly word for word.

    So that makes you “socialist scum”.

    You ignorant shit.

  149. So Much For Subtlety

    Frances Coppola – “The answer to your question is very simple.”

    The answer seems even more simple – you need to keep changing the subject and the answer because you don’t like the contradiction between all the different things you have said.

    “If those men are not breaking the law, then the problem is the law, not their colour.”

    So the problem is not up tight White people who do not appreciate cultural diversity when it asks them for a f&&k?

    “Kerb crawling, which involved (white) men in cars asking any woman they pass for sex, was made an offence precisely because the women didn’t like it.”

    No it doesn’t. Kerb crawling was penalised to stop prostitution. It is not illegal to ask a woman for sex. It is illegal to drive around offering women money for sex. There is a difference.

  150. So Much For Subtlety

    Arnald – “Also it would help the refugee crisis if we stopped bombing civilians left, right and centre.”

    Actually until the Paris attacks, no one was bombing anyone in Syria. The US was engaging in a few entirely token bombing attacks and nothing else.

  151. Frances Coppola:
    “Where, precisely, have I expressed this belief? It certainly is not on my blog.”

    http://www.coppolacomment.com/2016/01/in-bleak-midwinter.html

    “Because Jesus was born a migrant and became a refugee, Christianity emphasises the importance of welcoming the “outcast and stranger”. But the supposedly Christian countries of the West have no welcome for the people on their borders. Forgetting the demands of their religion, they refuse to open their doors to today’s “outcasts and strangers”. They condemn Muslims who commit violent acts in the name of their religion. But what they are doing is worse.”

    Another “strawman”?

  152. PJF

    The post is specifically about babies and children, not about migrants in general. Please do not misrepresent what I say.

    I happen to think that leaving babies and children to drown, or to die of cold, starvation and disease, is a terrible, terrible crime. Do you disagree?

  153. AndrewC

    If you accept that the sex attacks happened on the say-so of the women concerned and the police, then you must also accept that the men were drunk, since the women and the police say that too.

    Alternatively we can cross over into the land of fantasy and say that the attacks never happened, because after all neither the women nor the police can be believed.

    My objection to “it was done by refugees” was because it is impossible to tell simply by looking at someone of North African appearance whether they are a recent arrival or were born there. The reports of the women on THIS aspect are therefore unreliable. But they are not unreliable on the attacks, the robberies and the drunkenness. All of those are observable.

  154. SMFS

    Nope.

    “In England and Wales, section 71 of the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 makes kerb crawling an indictable offence where it is likely to cause annoyance to women or to other people in the neighbourhood or where it is persistent behaviour.”

    http://www.mylawyer.co.uk/street-prostitution-and-kerb-crawling-a-A76076D35159/

    As I said, the problem is the law. If kerb crawling is illegal, so too should be standing on street corners asking any passing woman for sex. It’s nothing to do with colour.

  155. Arnald: As the Dude observed:

    “Try fucking listening Man”

    It has already been said to you that the leaders of the West are socialist (corporate socialist –but that is also true of all other countries with a few extra-charming exceptions such as North Korea) scum with a taste for power and meddling. I –God help me–agree with you that we should not be bombing or be involved in any way politically or militarily in the Mid-East or anywhere else.

    However Western socialist shite leaders don’t take any notice of me or anyone else much.

    “Where can that majority of innocent and decent people go to escape?”

    Most of them have found refuge in other parts of the Mid-East. And even if they haven’t they are not coming here.
    And–in point of fact–the really vulnerable and needy are hardly trying to do so. 80-90% of the migrants coming here are 18-30 yobs many of whom aren’t from the war zone. Some call them economic migrants but I doubt if many of them will be doing all that much economically–outside of thieving to supplement their anticipated benefits. Many can’t even read or write their own language never mind ours.

    “It beggars belief that a lot of you blame the world’s ills in Islam, when the west is as deranged and fucked up all by itself.”

    For any following Arnald’s link it leads to some piece about Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Jehovah’s fucking Witnesses. You try to equate JW’s with 1400 years of Islamic antics across the world and you talk of others being mad or deluded?

    We must have missed the massive JW slave trade. And the massive JW pirate raids on the coasts of Europe that carried off at least a million whites to lives of blood transfusion free horror in the Jehovah’s Witness-ruled lands of the East. Not to mention those 1000 strong Jehovah’s raids on train stations.

    Give us strength.

    “The reason I gave you Stormfront to read is because the expression of hatred is exactly the same as your, nearly word for word.”

    If it is “hatred” not to want your own country overrun(–and that is the issue–a modest number of migrants is one thing–)by vast numbers of strangers with markedly poorer mores than our own then I am guilty as charged. Esp when said strangers are receiving a taxpayer supported breeding program that is set to reduce the natives to a minority.

    The scum of the left want this–native British specifically and white people in general world-wide reduced to nothing and ultimately gone from history. If you look amongst the written/spoken ravings of leftists it is clearly stated many times and in many places.

    This–of course–is NOT hatred and Arnald, like his buddies, has no problem with it. After all his doctrine tells him that only white people can be haters and hatred from non-white and/or non-western people of any sort isn’t and can’t be hatred.

    I have nothing against islamics–so long as they and their culture remain massively in their own lands save a modest number over here –carefully monitored to ensure their numbers cannot swell beyond a certain level and also to ensure that various unpleasant aspects of their culture and practices/beliefs are not allowed to manifest here.

    Contrast that with the hatred you display Arnald. Hatred for your people and culture. Who have given you a good –if psychologically disturbed–life and the freedom to expound your socialist poison.

    The fact is that you are a hater who will say –and to a lesser extent do- anything to attack and undermine your own people and culture and to promote a cause–socialism– that historical fact shows to be the most evil to have so far appeared on this planet.

    “Warmfront” is merely the in-house electro-rag of a group of your fellow socialists–heretics in manner analogous to Protestantism growing out of Catholicism. But socialists none the less.

    “So that makes you “socialist scum”.”

    Glad that you acknowledge the truth of my statements.

    The hatred you complain of is your own.

  156. FC: “I happen to think that leaving babies and children to drown, or to die of cold, starvation and disease, is a terrible, terrible crime. Do you disagree?”

    We can rescue people without having to import them. The Good Samaritan saved the victim on the road without having to declare “Mi Casa, Su Casa” for the rest of his life.

    And the boat people are not the majority of the 18-30 yobs being allowed to flood in.

    “If you accept that the sex attacks happened on the say-so of the women concerned and the police, then you must also accept that the men were drunk, since the women and the police say that too.”

    Who cares whether they follow all the tenants of their faith or not? That is just another pathetic attempt to let Islamic culture off the hook. Their culture regards women as dross and property and their culture is shaped by their beliefs which are found in their doctrines. You are still trying to float alibis.

    “My objection to “it was done by refugees” was because it is impossible to tell simply by looking at someone of North African appearance whether they are a recent arrival or were born there”

    Who cares when they got here? That yobs already here are having their numbers swelled by new arrivals is obvious as matter of fact. It in no way provides excuse. Misdirection of attention as well.

    “The reports of the women on THIS aspect are therefore unreliable.”

    Irrelevant as stated above and hilarious in a sick manner. Women are suddenly “unreliable” when they accuse favoured client groups of the left.

    Poor Rolf Harris is like to die in jail because a few women have delivered against him testimony held back for 40 years that is deemed to be “reliable” despite its age and the absolute absence of any corroboration. The supposed attack on a 7 year-old –alleged to have been witnessed by an entire queue of people not one of which could be found to confirm the tale–is supposed to have taken place at a community centre fete-type event. Not one shred of evidence exists to show that this event ever took place. Not one. Ergo the law not only cannot place Rolf at the scene of the crime it cannot even place the scene of the crime at the scene of the crime. Yet rot in jail Rolf does.

    I think therefore the Cologne women’s testimony should do nicely to be judged “reliable”.

    Kerb-crawling was–as usual–all put on the men but the men only went to areas frequented by the ladies. Most of their complaints came from residents of the streets the girls had chosen.

    A few complaints came from non-prossie women walking down those streets and being propositioned by men mistaking them for sex workers. The numbers of women would be small as most kerb-crawling takes place after-dark when far less ordinary pedestrian traffic is involved.

    A free society would have no such problem. Indeed there is little kerb-crawling in Amsterdam. Altho the canals might have something to do with that.

  157. Ecks, you are a white supremacist and you did copy and paste from Stormfront, you evil socialist.

    You obviously couldn’t be bothered to read the site. It’s full of Christian cults that rape women and children “for the greater good”.

    But that’s fine because they’re white, eh?

    The rot is there. The majority of immigrants in the UK are americans, Irish and Australian. Coming over here with their child raping religions, taking all our jobs and believing in destructive ideologies.

    The only people I hate are Nazi sympathisers like you, Ecks, trying vainly to equate social democracy with Facism.

    You’re a tool, a liar and an idiot who can’t understand sarcasm.

    Islam is a sick vile cancer that is ripping the heart out of my beloved England

    The vile dirty Muslims spit at us Brits in the street!

    They have 20 kids to out breed us

    they build their dirty churches all over the place building on our green and pleasant land!

    They taunt and bully our youth!

    They rape and murder our women!

    ISLAM IS A CANCER AND BRITISH NATIONALISM IS THE CHEMOTHERAPY!

    There is no such thing as Islamophobia, we’re not afraid of Islam, we hate it.

    I am against Islam because the vast majority of Muslims are not White and it is totally incompatible with our Western civilization and Islam and Western civilization cannot co-exist within the same society and under the same government. Muslims can do what they like in their own lands but Islam doesn’t belong in Europe and the West and they need to stay out and the ones already here need to go home or be sterilized and not reproduce!

    Islam is a very high-ranking enemy of Whites everywhere, especially our brothers and sisters in Europe where mass immigration of Arab scum mirrors our Hispanic nightmare in America. Radical Islamists continue to state their intentions of actually out-breeding Whites and usurping control of our homelands via means of legal immigration.

    Something is wrong when a country like Sweden is swimming with radical Muslim beasts. Muslims flood countries like Sweden because they actually assist them in their mass breeding practices. Nanny states such as Sweden allow the Muslim horde to sit back and be taken care of…all they have to worry about is breeding without control. You see, Muslims understand now that they can take control of territories without so much as raising a sword or manufacturing a bullet. Why, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bin Laden released a tape that renounced acts of physical violence, bombings, etc., and just instructed his parasitic hordes to keep right on peacefully encroaching.

    Slowly but surely accomplishing their horrible task.

    If we do attempt to plug the holes which the undesirables are flooding in from, our own government oppresses us and takes us to a court of law that they control.. (White House V. State of Arizona).

    It seems very fitting to me that many Negroes adopt Islam.

    I can’t see how your demented rhetoric and these differ. How are you anything but a wanker?

  158. Arnald–You are a cut and paste cretin.

    I didn’t read “Stormfront” nor any of the other crazy shite you linked to. When white supremacists storm a train station let me know.

    You illustrate not merely the evil of the left but also the mindless stupidity of same. There is no point to argument with creatures such as you because you continue to spew the same mindless shite over and over again.

    The left have always lived by endless sloganizing repetition of their mindless saws. And you are a classic example. Anything to block out thought and especially reason.

    You know what vermin you are Arnie–but if you spew enough poison you hope that truth can be kept out of your consciousness.

    It can’t.

    Also:
    “The rot is there. The majority of immigrants in the UK are americans, Irish and Australian. Coming over here with their child raping religions, taking all our jobs and believing in destructive ideologies.

    The only people I hate are Nazi sympathisers like you, Ecks, trying vainly to equate social democracy with Facism.”

    Have you moved to America ? Or is it just your wits–such as they were–that have taken the flight?

    It now seems obvious that you are not sane.

  159. Frances Coppola: it is impossible to tell simply by looking at someone of North African appearance whether they are a recent arrival or were born there

    True.

    However, it’s inconceivable that there was no speech involved in the various ‘interactions’ and it wouldn’t be beyond even a seriously distressed woman to distinguish between a native German speaker (ie born there) and a recent arrival’s more urgent and staccato: “Handy! Geld! ficken!”

  160. Can I just thank everyone who has contributed to this discussion, which has been v entertaining.

    Some of you are clearly barking, but I refuse to say who.

  161. “You are a cut and paste cretin” – …lolz re tommy robinson ^^

    “I didn’t read” – No, I didn’t think you could otherwise you would have admitted I was right.

    “You know what vermin you are Arnie–but if you spew enough poison you hope that truth can be kept out of your consciousness” – I was simply copying and pasting the same words, in the same order, that you express. You should be pleased there are people as screwed up as you who agree.

    You’re not very good at this, are you?

    You belong in the KKK. Good, honest, white Christian culture.

  162. Blah, Blah, Blah–same old bullshit re-cycled again.

    The KKK are mere amateurs of course compared to the 150 million killed by socialism.

    “You’re not very good at this, are you?”

    Good at what? I’ve run rings round you so many times that its getting boring.

    Same old naked hatred of white people. The fuckwit can’t even see in the mirror that he himself is the very hater he claims to decry. Was it Mummy and Daddy who fucked you up Larry? Still seething and preying that wiping out everything worthwhile the West has produced will bring you what? Revenge? A measure of peace?

    Whatever fucked you up I pray that you can get over it and find your way back to some sort of sanity rather than a career as Tim’s court Fool and a Third Eleven informer.

    You went the wrong way pal.

  163. “I’ve run rings round you”

    What, the Maypole?

    “everything worthwhile the West has produced ”

    Can’t you see irony here? You bleat on about how the whole of civilisation is one big socialist tyranny and the sooner everyone was dead the better.

    You’re calling for mass murder on a scale you can’t even enumerate.

    Learn to read, small man.

  164. You don’t make sense even on the level of the sentences you employ.

    “The Maypole”???? WTF are you talking about.

    I have said that the West is lurching down to socialistic tyranny–but it is down from the heights that the market has raised it to. And to which heights the market could return it if we could only be free of statism in general and socialism in particular.

    ” the sooner everyone was dead the better.”

    The sooner you are dead the better– and all your socialist buddies with you.

    I have sometimes despaired for a short time of a species that could produce so many evil mental pygmies –a type you typify. I have some times thought it might be best if a creature that produces so much dross –like you–did get its quietus.

    But those are very temporary thoughts born of having endless futile dialogues with denizens of hell like yourself. The mood passes.

    No –it is you and your creed who already have killed millions and who will kill millions more if you are not stopped and put down permanently.

  165. I know what a Maypole is numbnuts. WTF has it got to do with anything?

    Do you assemble your “arguments” by word association? I say “rings” and Maypole pops into your diseased mind?

    If only you could match a spell and speak machine–if only you could match an “I speak your weight machine” for wit, erudition and logical coherence you would be improved a 1000 fold.

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