So now we understand the problem

This cover-up of sex assaults in Sweden is a gift for xenophobes
Andrew Brown

Police failure to report widespread assaults by immigrant gangs at a Stockholm music festival will be immensely damaging for the country’s race relations

Remarkable really. It not the attacks that are the problem, not that there are groups willing to make such attacks which is the problem but that people might get a bad image of a group that is the problem.

77 thoughts on “So now we understand the problem”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    Every time, every attack, the Left and our government push the same line – it is not a problem with the terrorists, or with Islam, or with immigration. The real problem is us. We are violent and dangerous and whatever happens no one should say anything that might get us angry.

    It is really f**king annoying.

    I wish I could vote for Trump. The guy is a buffoon and a Democrat at heart but he gets one simple thing – we are not the problem. They are.

    Also causing racism this week – gang rapes.

  2. It’s not limited to immigration and Sweden though, is it? Whistleblowers are detested in organisations – particularly ones like the NHS – not because they are wrong, but because they have highlighted what the management class wish to remain hidden.

  3. Indeed. But you have to understand the minds of the bourgeoisie. “Race relations” is their core belief. It’s even more fundamental than feminism or environmentalism.

    Protestant democratic government justifies itself by moral leadership. This was the ideological justification that replaced justification by inheritance (blue blood) in the 19th century. “Why should we rule?” was defined as “because we are morally superior to those over whom we rule”.

    In the post-war period, that justification suddenly collapsed. The ruling class lost its moral authority, and fell into a panic as a result. They began casting around for new moral authority, and found it by casting their eyes across the Atlantic and observing the American Civil Rights struggle. They observed that the American federal government had gained moral approval by its support of racial equality. They decided to copy it.

    They had a slight problem in having no large class of blacks descended from former slaves, but there were some immigrants who would do, and the more the merrier, hence the commitment to immigrationism from that point on. And here we are.

    Feminism, gay rights etc rode in on the same wave. But racial Civil Rights is the fundament of their belief system. They cannot abandon it, because their moral authority will be abandoned with it.

  4. The thing is, a miss-trust of strangers is so obviously a natural trait.

    Go back to pre-history. You live in a village, you know everyone who lives with you. Along comes a stranger – he might be friendly, he might want to kill you. How about not trusting him until you are sure which? On the one hand you might miss out on a bit of trade – on the other hand you might still be alive at the end of the day.

    I’d imagine the overly trusting gene got bred out of us a long time ago.

    In our ‘enlightened’ times we are supposed to take a more lofty moral approach. Maybe we should. But it’s a natural instinct to be wary of strangers and the more strange, the more different than us, the more wary.

    Which is why it pisses people off when we are told that a natural, instinctive, survival reaction makes us ‘wacist’

  5. Andrew Brown, and thousands like him, will never get it until they are physically on the receiving end. Even then the dissonance might be so strong they’ll still deny reality.

  6. This highlights why some of us occasionally refer to “the chattering class” of journalists, gurus etc. The only thing that matters to them is what people say about something not what actually happened.

  7. What I really hate is their contempt for inconvenient truths, whether cultural, racial, economic, climatic…the ruling classes/msm/leftie academia have constructed a world view they protect with the same mad zeal as jihadists.

  8. @Rob: I’m quite sure Mr Brown would write a fawning article about how it was “our fault” even after a bunch of refugees beat him senseless. Robert Fisk managed the same under similar circumstances.

  9. ianB: Not saying there is no truth to your hypothesis but the long march of leftist scum( –mainly thro Unis as a basis for their power bloc) has at least as much to do with it. The shit going on today is mostly middle-class socialist evil. The civil rights malarkey is just more sanctimonious window-dressing.

  10. Andrew Brown, and thousands like him, will never get it until they are physically on the receiving end. Even then the dissonance might be so strong they’ll still deny reality.

    I remember Robert Fisk getting duffed up by a mob in Afghanistan and excusing them even as the blows fell!

  11. Ecks-

    It happened too fast for a long march. For example, Enoch Powell was cast into the outer darkness, by the Tory Party remember, in 1968.

    The Long March was meant to be a revolutionary communist takeover that never happened.

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    john77 – “The only thing that matters to them is what people say about something not what actually happened.”

    Ljh – “What I really hate is their contempt for inconvenient truths, whether cultural, racial, economic, climatic…the ruling classes/msm/leftie academia have constructed a world view they protect with the same mad zeal as jihadists.”

    Ian thinks they are puritans. I think they are Marxists. They have the same contempt for the truth that the Marxists had. What matters is not what happens. The real world has no actual objective existence. It matters what people think and that means what you tell them.

    Who controls the past controls the present.

    We have now got the 60s generation in power. People for whom Mao was a role model, not a warning.

  13. This highlights why some of us occasionally refer to “the chattering class” of journalists, gurus etc. The only thing that matters to them is what people say about something not what actually happened.

    Yeah, but as I said, do you think this is any different in a major corporation?

  14. “I remember Robert Fisk getting duffed up by a mob in Afghanistan and excusing them even as the blows fell!”

    Still ranks as one of the funniest things I have ever read in a newspaper.

  15. SMFS-

    I think they’re puritans and (post-marxists). Their moral drive is from the puritan heritage, their theory from marxism, their method from both, which are very similar.

  16. So Much For Subtlety

    Rupert Fiennes – “I’m quite sure Mr Brown would write a fawning article about how it was “our fault” even after a bunch of refugees beat him senseless. Robert Fisk managed the same under similar circumstances.”

    Do they have daughters?

  17. Surely though the issue is the direction of travel.

    Of things carry on as they are they’re will be no western nations in 30’s years time.

    Oh they may still exist on a map but the culture will be annihilated.

  18. Wot no Ironman? He goes awful quiet on these threads, so I’ll write it for him.

    ‘Tim.its ovbious that these muslims are trrerible poeple but you shoudlnt say it becuase it ghfives thes.thick.raccist.pircks the ecsxuse they want to tell the turth. Anyway, noone has rpaed my wfie or duaghetr yet so its all rcaist.lies.’

  19. My toddler loves Iron Man (the alcoholic superhero, not the chap from Liverpool).

    All he wants to watch on TV is “Iyan Man. Iyan Man!” Not sure why – if we stick on The Avengers after his bath he’s usually fast asleep before Iron Man appears.

    He also seems to think I’m Iyan Man, even though I haven’t touched booze in years.

    Poor Peppa Pig doesn’t get a look in these days.

  20. So Much For Subtlety

    Steve – “He also seems to think I’m Iyan Man, even though I haven’t touched booze in years. Poor Peppa Pig doesn’t get a look in these days.”

    He is probably trying to say “Iran man”. You’re seeing the inevitable result of Islamist infiltration of the school system. I am afraid your son is a junior jihadi.

  21. SMFS – I knew I shouldn’t have bought him that George Galloway action figure.

    It’s good for kids to have hobbies though. I was in the Tufty Club at his age, and it didn’t do me any harm apart from the lifelong fascination with squirrels.

  22. So Much For Subtlety

    Steve – “I knew I shouldn’t have bought him that George Galloway action figure.”

    That would be an excellent action figure. Not much action outside other people’s bedrooms and the off licence though.

    “It’s good for kids to have hobbies though. I was in the Tufty Club at his age, and it didn’t do me any harm apart from the lifelong fascination with squirrels.”

    A fascination with squirrels is entirely healthy and normal. I suggest force feeding him a diet of Porky Pig. Preferably with Bugs Bunny doing Wagner. He may grow up to be a Germanophile, but at least he will be able to laugh at people with speech impediments whatever his Right On teachers say.

  23. Steve

    “Iyan (Iyan I)…. Mon.” is Jamaican patois.

    You sure “you’re the daddy” – if you and the missus are white, is the little chap a mocha colour?

  24. So Much For Subtlety

    Incidentally CNN is reporting that an American woman murdered in Italy was murdered by a bit of rough she seems to have picked up in a nightclub.

    And by bit of rough I mean an illegal African immigrant.

    They are seriously discussing how this is terrible because the Italians are already concerned about immigration and, of course, Germany. Indeed.

    Meredith Kercher could not be reached for comment.

  25. “I haven’t touched booze in years. Poor Peppa Pig doesn’t get a look in these days.”

    Am I understanding that right? You needed booze to find Peppa Pig sexy?

  26. Tim Newman,

    The whistleblower problem is a much bigger problem in the state than private organisations, though.

    Private organisations understand that you’d better fess up to fuck ups because the consequences of not doing so and getting caught are far worse. I know a drug trial company that lost their FDA license because they failed to address warnings about a doctor faking results. They ignored it, included his results, drug went to market and then some people got ill. And when they got ill, the FDA ran a fine comb over the trial and found this and as a result, their license was revoked. And that was kiss of death. They could reapply 12 months later, but that meant no income for at least a year. It also meant that their reputation was shot. No drug company wants a drug pulled.

  27. So Much For Subtlety

    DocBud – “Am I understanding that right? You needed booze to find Peppa Pig sexy?”

    Well there is no polite way to put this, you mean you don’t?

    Not even if she put on a squirrel suit.

  28. Jonathan – “The experience was almost more than I could bear,” Kijera wrote about the incident, “I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care.”

    Lol.

  29. Private organisations understand that you’d better fess up to fuck ups because the consequences of not doing so and getting caught are far worse.

    Some do. But you think there is no cover-up going on here? Even if they get caught, the organisation closes ranks and throws the whistleblower under the bus. It takes something of Macondo or Enron levels of catastrophe to get the management of a large firm to take ownership of a fuckup. VW have already tried the “it was a few rogue engineers” approach, and the only thing stopping them being successful is the greedy, grasping hands of US prosecutors.

  30. That depends on who runs the corporation.

    Yes, and the culture that exists within that corporation (which is largely shaped by those at the top). Maybe it’s just my industry (and the era I’ve been in it), but I’ve found that being “on message” is the single most important thing for an employee to be in the eyes of the management in every company I’ve worked in. Dissenters from the corporate message are hounded out a lot quicker than somebody who causes an accident.

  31. but I’ve found that being “on message” is the single most important thing for an employee to be in the eyes of the management in every company I’ve worked in. Dissenters from the corporate message are hounded out a lot quicker than somebody who causes an accident.

    True. Also, no matter how fucked up the business is (in fact, especially in dysfunctional businesses) nobody will thank you for pointing out threats and weaknesses.

    Happy talk is the way to go.

  32. SMFS,

    I’ve never seen Peppa Pig when I’m sober.

    Steve,

    I have a theory (no university will fund further research) that it is the lack of bacon kisses (and to a greater extent bacon butties) that is why certain people tend to like blowing other people up and sexually assaulting those they don’t blow up. Can you imagine going through life without bacon? It doesn’t bear thinking about. It was the smell of bacon which lured our daughter back from vegetarianism, and probably saved her from joining ISIS.

  33. I couldn’t agree more with Tim Newman.

    The line between Corporations and the Public Sector is hugely blurred. Knee-jerk support for the former is just my-enemy’s-enemy-is-my-friend stuff.

    What happened at VW is great for the left, and people on the right defending them is even better. The right should have got its kicking in first (while also pointing out that the public sector had been asleep at the wheel also. A reasonably curious child should have been able to catch VW out).

  34. I love the idea of a George Galloway action figure. Comes complete with a barrel of oil and an empty folder where the Mariam Appeal’s accounts should be.

    “If bacon flavoured kisses are wrong, I don’t want to be right.” – copyright Kermit

  35. Tim Newman said:

    Some do. But you think there is no cover-up going on here?

    From the description, no. Note Oil & Gas People say

    Oil and Gas People reported on the 29th of December how a complete module on the platform was left looking like a bombsite after the gas blast, which activated 42 different gas detectors and how only luck had prevented the gas escape finding an ignition source, leading to a potential disaster.

    If the regulators only distinguish between leaks and explosions then it’s a leak, no matter how sudden and violent it was.

  36. IanB:

    “But you have to understand the minds of the bourgeoisie. “Race relations” is their core belief. It’s even more fundamental than feminism or environmentalism.”

    I am as ‘bourgeois’ as they come, as are my friends and extended family – not to mention most of my former colleagues. In the whole of this extensive circle of mine, I can think of only two people who are concerned about race relations, only one who is a serious environmentalist, and one (the left-wing wife of a right-wing Oxford University lecturer) who is a serious feminist.

    You are talking nonsense. Again.

  37. VW has and is being punished quite a lot, people at the top have lost their jobs too, shareholders can’t be happy, etc…

    Meanwhile, Blair and Brown are coining it.

  38. Theo–so your family/friends form a representative sample of the UK middle-class?

    Is the Guardian bought then mostly by the working class(what is left of them)? The leftist crap spewed by the BBC–is that programming written, cast , produced, directed, etc, etc by members of the Underclass in between signing on and going down the boozah? Do said underclass make up the ranks of the HoC and even the hierarchy of BluLab itself?

    The above CM-dominated groups may not be the main body of the middle-class but they are calling the shots and they are neither aristos (for the most part) nor –like myself–of humble origin.

    The Spectre of the Middle-Class leftist is the one currently haunting and doing its best to destroy the West.

  39. monoi

    Brown doesn’t profit

    “Mr Brown personally does not receive a penny from speeches or writings,” a spokesman said. “He has thus no ‘second income’ and does not benefit from ‘outside earnings’. All the fees from speeches and writings are not paid to him and all the money goes directly to charity or to fund charitable work by himself and his wife.

    “Mr Brown’s only income is his salary as an MP, because he has also renounced the pension conventionally paid to all former prime ministers.”

  40. Boy Clinton and Killary don't profit from the Clinton Foundation either. Which is doubtless where The Bottler got the idea for this little scam for.

    And Billy

  41. Must take more water with it.

    And Billy Boy Clinton and Killery don’t profit from the Clinton Foundation either. Which is doubtless where The Bottler got the idea for the scam from

  42. If the regulators only distinguish between leaks and explosions then it’s a leak, no matter how sudden and violent it was.

    That’s nice of the regulators. Those of us who actually work on these things think that if an operator reports “a gas leak” then what has occurred is “a gas leak” and not “a massive fucking full-bore rupture of a gas line that somehow, thank fuck, didn’t ignite”. After all, us plebs get lectured on how “Safety is our No.1 priority” and stuff like transparency.

  43. Brown doesn’t have a foundation. He pays directly into charity through his company.

    I agree that foundations are scams, with an emphasis for tax avoidance.

  44. I’m working-class you leftist twat. I know the scum of socialism from having been around them and their bullshit.

    And the working-class ones–dim bulbs tho’ they were–at least had the justification of hard lives to push them in the wrong direction. Contrasted with middle-class leftist shite whose teenage shite “issues” with Mummy and Daddy are what it is all about with them.

  45. Brown’s charity is a scam, you’re entitled to believe otherwise but then again, its because of people like you that twats like him get elected and bankrupt a country in a mere 13 years.

    But keep telling yourself you’re not a serf.

  46. Back to the Bottling Shite.

    Your hero Arnald spent not much of the last five years on the job in the HoC.

    He was missing a lot. Details here:

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10068/gordon_brown/kirkcaldy_and_cowdenbeath

    I wonder if there is any other job where you can be absent from your place of work most of the time (the HoC does not keep records of MPs attendance. Well fuck the Sage of Gurn-Sea sideways with a chainsaw –what a surprise!!!). Where you still get full whack despite no sick-note/career-break/unpaid leave etc. And in which job you can spend the time you are still being paid a full-time wage for, in working your own public-speaking business.

    “I am not receiving any money from this engagement personally. It is being held by the Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown to support my ongoing involvement in public life.”

    And my name is Hertz van Rentals. The Bottler Jets all over the planet spewing shite– for his expenses and minimum wage. Yeah right.

    Whatever he calls it– it is the same scam as BIlly-Boy except that Brown, unlike Cigardick, can peddle zero influence. His market must be second eleven social-climbing pricks who want to say they went to dinner/speech with an ex-PM last night.

    Low level villainy–but still at the expense of the poor taxpayer.

  47. And as for his renouncing the PMs pension that just means that he didn’t get that on top of the wage as an MP. He will still be due the more than generous Ministers pension and possibly more than that besides.

    He was the highest earning MP–mainly because he was hardly there and his claims that it all went to charity are “interesting”

    “Gordon Brown has since leaving Downing Street raised over £3 million to support charitable projects yet has given less than a £1 million to charity. Nearly three-quarters of the money raised has gone on his office and globe-trotting travel expenses that run at over £10,000-a-week – allowing Brown to vainly swan around in Davos like old times. Gordon Brown always insists that he does not profit from the arrangement and that all the income goes either directly to charities or to support other charitable public service projects.

    The Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown is not a registered charity, it is a private limited company. Guido’s investigation reveals – by piecing together some 133 declarations made in Gordon Brown’s parliamentary register of interests – a picture of the until now private accounts since the company was set up by Sarah. Brown has declared to parliament that the total amount paid to the company since 2010 is £3,605,197. According to a recent announcement on the company’s website, only £912,702 has so far been given to charity after three years. Leaving over £2 million to be accounted for when according to the latest available records the company had only £160,978 in cash at the bank.
    The company admits it budgets £550,000-a-year for expenses to meet salaries, accommodation costs and staff expenses. Gordon can be paid as much as $100,000 for a single speech in America to investors at finance conferences. By funnelling his speaker fees through the company he does not have to pay tax on the income, even though it covers the £10,000-a-week expenses for Gordon and Sarah to maintain the jet-set premier lifestyle they were accustomed to when in Downing Street, travelling first class around the world and staying in top five star hotels attended to by flunkies. Something Gordon would not be able to do on his backbench MP’s salary”

    The above was 2013.

  48. “I love the idea of a George Galloway action figure. Comes complete with a barrel of oil and an empty folder where the Mariam Appeal’s accounts should be.”

    Cat costume sold separately

  49. “Brown’s charity is a scam”

    He gives money to charity, he doesn’t run one, he doesn’t get donations or take money from others, so it’s not much of a scam.

    Apart from his MP salary it has nothing to do with the tax payer. Who says he has to earn a “minimum wage”? He doesn’t claim that.

    He’s not a saint but compared to Blair…

  50. Ecks

    that’s fucking Guido Fawkes and his spread sheet you cock. Brown hasn’t claimed he’s a charity.

    There’s no scam involved. You’d prefer him to be selling arms to Saudi in order to repress their population?

  51. I’d prefer him shot, but I’d go for life in prison for the bankruptcy of the country, and for the amount of time I have to spend paying for his incompetence and dishonesty, considering that time is the only real possession we have on this earth.

    If that cunt was sharing a cell with Blair, it would be a nice bonus.

  52. Arnald: Bottler hasn’t claimed to be a charity. That would be beyond the realm of human possibilities–since a tub of gristle and lard is all he will ever be. But he has claimed to be grafting to give all the money to charity. Which –Guido or not–he had not as of 2013. If he did eventually hand most of it over that won’t have include the very nice £10000 a week exs he was paying himself. And what charities–still searching for that info.

    What airs you sanctimonious scum give yourselves. As if ZaNu had nothing to do with selling arms to the Saudis. Oh maybe they didn’t approve of selling arms –they just wanted the cash to give to charidee. And what of the taxpayers who were paying the Hibernian Cyclops wages while he didn’t do the job cos he was running his mouth around the world? If he had gone to work for nothing in a charity shop down the Goldhawk Rd he should still not have been paid for not being on the job. The rest of us would get the boot quick enough for not showing up save once in a while.

    Stop talking Arnald–give your arse a rest.

  53. Not sure what airs I’m supposed to be having, Ecks, I was merely saying that I don’t think Brown is as bad as Blair. It may not be saying much but there’s definitely a distinction.

    “Meanwhile, Blair and Brown are coining it.” Hence my OT comment.

    Blair brokered massive arms deals (along with one of the Windsor parasites). He also decided to intervene on BAe’s behalf to stop a SFO enquiry. He ain’t no friend of mine, so fuck knows what you’re going on about. I would have thought you would approve.

    Small man syndrome, still.

  54. Ecksy:

    The Spectre of the Middle-Class leftist is the one currently haunting and doing its best to destroy the West.

    That is true; but IanB’s claim that race relations is the core belief of the bourgeoisie is false. Crudely, you are saying that ‘(all) leftists are middle class’, while IanB is saying ‘(all)the middle class are leftists’. And, hence, my middle class circle does not have to be a representative sample to refute IanB’s silly claim.

    By the way, the daily circulation of The Guardian in 2015 was just under 175,000 – and falling. Rejoice.

  55. Hey, Arnald. Do you honestly believe that nonsense about Gordon Brown?

    I have a bridge in NYC for sale – prime real estate opportunity for you.

  56. “He also decided to intervene on BAe’s behalf to stop a SFO enquiry.”

    Unless there was something VERY odd going on, quite right too.

    The Middle East is not the Home Counties.

  57. @Arnald: its amazing that Gordon Brown has managed to arrange his tax affairs in such a way that he effectively pays no tax to the UK Treasury on his considerable worldwide income, parts with about 33% as a sort of voluntary tax to his favoured charities, spends the rest on himself and his family living the high life around the globe, and you applaud him.

    Can you not see what is actually happening here? A man is earning hundreds of thousands of pounds and paying zero tax, despite spending a large proportion of that income on himself. Ignore the ‘charity’ label, and look at the actual flow of money. The man is a genius. He’s taking the piss in the most humongously hypocritical way possible and no-one bats an eyelid.

    If it was Rupert Murdoch behaving like this you and the likes of Richard Murphy et al would be creaming yourselves in paroxysms of orgasmic self righteous disgust.

  58. Hey, where have I applauded anyone?

    “Unless there was something VERY odd going on, quite right too”

    Tit.

    “Hey, Arnald. Do you honestly believe that nonsense about Gordon Brown?”

    No, not entirely, I’m just saying he doesn’t run a charity, so it can’t be a scam. And anyway, do you really believe what guido fawkes says? His ‘investigation’ is looking at parliament records. The rest is spittle-flecked conjecture. Hell, Brown’s finances are there to be seen.

    Are yours?

    “A man is earning hundreds of thousands of pounds and paying zero tax”

    Does he? How do you know? Those with a lot of money do these things. I never said I approved.

    “If it was Rupert Murdoch behaving like this”

    Behaving like what? Brown doesn’t own a media empire you fucking moron.

  59. @Arnald: are you utterly stupid or is it for effect?

    Of course Gordon Brown doesn’t own a media empire, I never said he did. I said that if one of the Left’s bete noires (such as Murdoch) were channelling their earnings through a foundation, and spending the money like water on themselves, and handing over about a third of the income to charities of their choice, all while paying not a penny in tax, then you and your ilk would be screaming blue murder about tax avoidance etc etc. But its a Lefty doing it so its OK.

    Personally I’m in awe – I don’t think any neo-liberal baby eating capitalist would have ever had the balls to set up the scheme that GB is doing with his foundation. They wouldn’t have considered they could get away with it in a million years. Its so brazen, its hiding in full view.

  60. @ Theo
    Most of the middle class are leftists. Particularly the Conservative ones.
    They’re the greatest beneficiaries of the State.
    It’s certainly not the working classed, who get very short shrift.

  61. Wouldn’t it be true to say that a lot of people who declare themselves to be working class believe that, rather like an hereditary title, their class is conferred by their grandfather having been a miner.

    You can now be a QC or an MP or a FRCS and be working class.

    The long-dead grandfather would, however, not be impressed because in his day the lower rungs were not badges of honour but an incentive, where possible, to aspire to better.

  62. Indeed, TMB.

    Jim.

    Brown doesn’t have a foundation. There’s no pretense, unlike those who do have foundations and claim it’s purely altruistic.

    “all while paying not a penny in tax”

    It’s a plc, registered, I believe, in the UK. He’ll have to pay tax on that and his MP salary. Of course the plc may be pissing about with offshore subsids etc but that’s the type of thing guido fawkes would have picked up, no?

    And is he earning more than a failed banker, or Tim Worstall, after all Tim’s scandium stuff must be worth something. We all want to know, don’t we?

    Claiming that Murdoch and Brown are equal as ‘bêtes noires’ is just silly.

    Anyway, Brown is a firm believe of the laisser faires market that let those companies cause economic mayhem. His soul was sold. He was in thrall to the finance industry, and for that he’s no champion of mine.

  63. “Claiming that Murdoch and Brown are equal as ‘bêtes noires’ is just silly.”
    Well, true. One’s the foreign head of a successful media group. Other’s a homegrown moron.

  64. Arnald are you totally devoid of logic? I’m not comparing Brown and Murdoch, I’m comparing what the Left’s reaction would be if they were both doing what Brown is doing. Have you not an ounce of grey matter between your ears?

    And yes, ‘The Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown’ is a company. And as such it has income, and costs associated with acquiring that income. Thus as GB is the sole source of income (via speeches, articles etc etc) all the money spent on getting him (and his wife most likely) to the locations he is speaking in, and putting him up (5* hotels no doubt), and transporting him around (chauffeur driven limo Sir?) is a legitimate business expense, and 100% allowable against taxable income. Thus with a bit of jiggery-pokery its quite simple to arrange a series of ‘lectures’ and ‘appearances’ around the world that allow him to swan around, entirely paid for by his company. Then give an amount equal whatever profit the company has made every year to charity, which is 100% allowable against taxable income. Result – zero taxable profit from an income in the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) all the while living the life of Riley.

    Look at his own website (here: http://gordonandsarahbrown.com/office-of-gordon-sarah-brown/) It says they have expenses of £550k PER YEAR. All spent on him and his family, either directly, or indirectly, on staff who work for them.

    If I employ a PA or housekeeper to help me run my life, I have to pay for it out of post tax income. Gordon gets to pay for his staff out of pre-tax income, because he’s made his life (‘being Gordon Brown’) a business.

    Strange your mate Richard Murphy hasn’t mentioned all this tax avoidance isn’t it? Perhaps you should ask him why.

    You might get banned mind.

  65. Jim

    I wouldn’t have thought Murphy would be a fan of Brown’s.

    So what you’re saying is what if Murdoch behaved like Brown? Is that really an argument?

    And you did write “..that GB is doing with his foundation.”

    Thanks for explaining all that to me. I’m glad you know all about him. I’m still not sure that he doesn’t pay tax on his MP salary, a company can’t be an MP can it? But it doesn’t matter.

    Anyway it rather gives credence to what tax campaigners are always going on about, which makes your hatred all the more bizarre.

    As I said “He was in thrall to the finance industry, and for that he’s no champion of mine.”

    It’s funny: “The man is a genius”, then apparently he’s also “a homegrown moron.”

    He saved the world, did he not? And the rich profited even more than before. He should be an idol on this blog.

  66. “So what you’re saying is what if Murdoch behaved like Brown? Is that really an argument?”

    Of course its a fucking argument you idiot. One which you have studiously avoided. If some non-Lefty (such as Murdoch, but any of the Left’s hate figures would do) were pulling in hundreds of thousands in income and paying not a penny in corporation or income tax then the likes the Richard Murphy and The Guardian and BBC would be doing their nuts. Look at the fuss over Lord Ashcroft. That went on for years. Gordon Brown, not a murmur.

    Hypocrisy of the highest order.

    If you think RM is no fan of Brown, try asking him why he hasn’t done a piece on the lack of tax paid by GB’s company, despite having pulled in millions in income. Chances are you’ll get banned.

    Oh, and GB isn’t an MP any more, so he doesn’t have an MP’s salary to pay tax on. Do keep up.

  67. @ Arnald
    Murphy *was* a fan of Brown – I remember him saying “we must recapture the Party from tthe Blairites”
    Those of us who limited our use of drugs to caffeine and alcohol are a problem for you because we *can* remember so your rewriting of history gets called.

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