Sounds sensible

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is urged to get out of London in order to win the next election

Well away from the press pack that might write about him and thus remind anyone of him.

Best electoral strategy possible given the candidate really.

37 thoughts on “Sounds sensible”

  1. DocBud,

    The trouble is that many of the places in that thread on Reddit are just architecturally shit. Slough always comes up in these things, but it’s a decent place. If you want pretty, travel 2 miles to Windsor.

    Luton’s bad, but Oldham is the worst place I’ve ever been. Combine an ugly town of boarded up shops with high unemployment, shitty weather and the rudeness of people from the Manchester area. At least Blackpool has the charm to look like it’s from Fallout.

  2. “Luton’s bad, but Oldham is the worst place I’ve ever been. Combine an ugly town of boarded up shops with high unemployment, shitty weather and the rudeness of people from the Manchester area. At least Blackpool has the charm to look like it’s from Fallout.”

    Quite. I’m a Mancunian but I have to say I find all the surrounding towns: Stockport, Oldham, Rochdale, Bury and Bolton really depressing – especially in Winter. The only upside is that there’s some really nice countryside within a 15 minute drive.

  3. Jonathan, the only reason Betjeman wrote “come friendly bombs and fall on Slough” was that Stockport doesn’t scan.

  4. For moderate lefties, I’d have thought JC has served his purpose.

    As you note in your later post, Osborne has produced budgets of which RM broadly approves in his scramble to make Labour irrelevant.

    This attitude is identical to Labour’s in Scotland. As Labour believed that the Scots would vote Labour, no matter what, so Gideon believes the white middle class will vote Tory. Lacking a credible alternative, I suggest that we will simply stop voting, believing that they all are, at last, truly all the same.

  5. Beckett thinks the key is reminding people in 2020 how competent Gordon Brown was in gvt up to 1997-2010? But Blair and Brown established a electable fiscal reputation in opposition by matching Con party plans.

  6. I went to Oldham on 4th March 1978 when Spurs were in the old second division. Have little memory of the place.

    I have been to Luton more than once and recall it being truly awful. Hull is much the same, as is Essex.

  7. Worst place that I’ve ever been to in England was Stockton-on-Tees. Utter hellhole.

    Worst place in Scotland? I’ll open the bidding at Methil…

  8. John Miller,

    They were pretty much the same because the big ideological battles are over. Everyone pretty much knows that you win by being broadly neoliberal with a reasonable amount of public spending.

    See, I think that Corbyn and Trump reflect an “end of politics”, that there’s really nothing much to change. So there isn’t a strong, serious opposition any longer. Those people might still vote Labour, but they aren’t going to go joining it, or standing for office. The only people left who haven’t converted to globalisation and free markets are a few idiot dinosaurs, old people yearning for the days when America still bashed bits of metal and really, for their youth back. Because god fucking damn, who wants the 70s back?

  9. Getting back to Corbyn: Guido’s Quote Of The Day:

    “Does anyone suppose that if Labour had employed Crosby that Ed Miliband would now be prime minister? The Tories could put Crispin Blunt in a room full of poppers and ask him to run the 2020 campaign. They’d still win.”

  10. I worked in Luton for 5 years. Nearly bought a house there. Had the choice between Marsh Farm and the Hockwell Ring.

    I had to pass on that.

    After that it was Swindon for 18 months. FFS.

  11. Arnald,

    “After that it was Swindon for 18 months. FFS.”

    Swindon, like Slough, is another place that is architecturally shit, but actually pretty good. Low crime, low unemployment, lower house prices. Three multiplex cinemas, good swimming pools, ice rink, nice parks, good pubs, lovely countryside. Shopping is shit, but mostly irrelevant post-Amazon. There’s no opera house, but you can do Covent Garden and back in an evening by train.

  12. Rochdale. Nowhere is worse than Rochdale. I did six months there a year or so ago. The town centre McDonald’s closed down. That’s how awful Rochdale is.

  13. I trained in Luton for 3 years, lived near the football ground. It was a dump then, and that was before multiculturalism really took off. I can’t imagine ever going there again.

  14. I did view a house outside Kenilworth Road. But it was outside Kenilworth Road, so I didn’t spend too much time in there.

    “downtown Rawalpindi” I didn’t mind Bury Park and the Leagrove Road. Colourful, if shabby.

    Swindon town centre was depressing, especially at night.

  15. My parents lived in pre-Thatcher St Helens. A couple of years after I was born, they fled to New Zealand. I can understand why, reading this thread.

  16. Christ, I fucking agree with Arnald about something. Shit. I must be going certifiable.

    “Swindon” = “Pig Hill”.

    I was subbing at Allied Dunbar when it turned in to Allied Zurich. Only thing that kept me sane was the extensive range of whiskies at the bar at the Best Western on the east edge of the shithole.

  17. Haha I was seconded to help Zurich migrate part of it to Swiss Re, as a third party administrator. It was the Marriott and it’s whiskies for me.

  18. “Rochdale. Nowhere is worse than Rochdale. ”

    The Luftwaffe mistakenly bombed Rochdale when they were trying to hit the Avro factory at Chadderton and caused £25 million of improvements.

  19. I’d like to propose a bit of an outsider for shitttiest town in Britain status. Step forward Kidderminster, not quite up to the Oldham level maybe but I defy anyone to spend three nights in the place, as I did recently, without going a bit insane. Not to mention nearly dying of scurvy through having to eat in a shit pub as nowhere else seemed to be open in the evenings.

  20. Worst place I’ve ever been to in the UK has to be Grimsby. I must have turned up on Giro day because, even by midday, everyone in the town centre was either pissed or rattling. I had my works van broken into in broad daylight and, later that evening, whilst waiting at a bus stop, one of the locals happily wandered over to me and started pissing into a bin in the middle of the town centre inches from where I stood.

    In its defence, you can get four pints of beer and change out of a fiver!

    Also, it seems only fair to point out that it’s purebred English that have fucked the place up – there was nary a cultural enricher to be seen.

  21. And should anyone invite me to check my privilege I know of what I speak – I was born and raised in St.Helens!

  22. Agree, Mr Pants, I forgot about Grimsby, but multiply Grimsby by ten and you can imagine the real nightmare that is the Bransholme estate in Hull. I use to take shortcuts through it when we lived in one of the best places to live in the UK, Beverley. It really was like descending into a vision of hell, I certainly never thought of taking the risk of stopping at any of the heavily secured shops.

  23. See, I think that Corbyn and Trump reflect an “end of politics”, that there’s really nothing much to change.

    Yes, and I remember when history ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall.

    Politics ‘ended’ because politicians realized that if both parties offered basically the same policies, one of them would still get elected… because someone had to. We can’t ‘vote the bastards out’, we can only vote some other bastard in.

    Which is why, when someone like Trump comes along offering a real opportunity for change, the masses who’ve been disenfranchised by the cozy co-dependency between ‘progressives’ and ‘conservatives’ line up to vote for him.

  24. Edward M Grant,

    I think the fall of the Berlin wall was the start of the end, the moment when socialism as an ideology was fatally wounded, and it’s been dying ever since.

    Trump isn’t an opportunity for change. He’s a regressive. He’s promising a chunk of people their past back. If he becomes the Republican candidate, Clinton, despite being a bit hopeless and a bit of a criminal, is going to win.

  25. theoldgreenfascist

    Worstall’s a dirty immigrant taking advantage of EU rules. I doubt he pays tax anywhere, hence his continuing defence of big corporations paying hardly any tax even though they do very well out of trading in the UK.

    He, and his fans on here, hate the UK, are totally unpatriotic, and wish the population to be on the lowest wages possible to help foreign owned corporations extract wealth from the country and move it to tax havens.

    It takes a certain chutzpah to then claim they want England to be English.

  26. I think the fall of the Berlin wall was the start of the end, the moment when socialism as an ideology was fatally wounded, and it’s been dying ever since.

    Socialism is dying because it’s an industrial-era ideology, and the industrial era is coming to an end. ‘Globalization’ is about to die for the same reason, and ‘capitalism’ (whatever that means these days) will follow.

    Far from ‘the end of politics’, we’re going to see more economic and political change in the next twenty years than the last two hundred. We’re heading for a world where pretty much everything is done locally, and no-one cares what some guy with a fancy title two thousand miles away thinks he can tell them to do.

    Trump isn’t an opportunity for change. He’s a regressive. He’s promising a chunk of people their past back.

    Trump is probably another lying asshole who’s saying whatever will get him elected. But he’s the only candidate offering Americans a future other than becoming a banker-run Islamic province of Mexico. If Clinton wins, the only question is when the new American Civil War will start.

    If he becomes the Republican candidate, Clinton, despite being a bit hopeless and a bit of a criminal, is going to win.

    So, in the worst case, he’ll be no worse than any other Republican candidate. None of them have any chance of winning, because they’ll all encourage Republican voters to stay home, the way they did for Romney.

    And, personally, I don’t think the Republican establishment want to win. If they did, they wouldn’t be lined up behind a complete no-hoper like Bush.

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