Well, yes, entirely true

A British exit from the European Union could cut net migration to Britain by 100,000 a year, according to a new study.
In the first analysis of a potential ‘Brexit’ on immigration levels, the pressure group MigrationWatch UK, said a ‘No’ referendum vote could cut numbers coming here “substantially”.
Exiting the EU would allow the British Government to impose visa requirements on migrants from the rest of Europe and allow in only skilled workers, it suggested.

And whatever limits we set would be reciprocated within minutes.

And?

14 thoughts on “Well, yes, entirely true”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    And? We would get fewer German-passport-holding rapists and so on. They would get fewer rich, law abiding retirees.

    I am not really seeing a downside here.

  2. “The rights of those British citizens already working or living in another EU country, or those of EU citizens now in Britain, would be preserved under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties 1969,” said a MigrationWatch spokesman.”

    Yeeeesss… As long as their contracts last..
    There’s quite a few Brits around here, quite often welders employed on a per-project basis in shipbuilding and offshore projects.
    Let’s see how they’ll applaud a Brexit if they suddenly need a work visa, whereas their Polish “competitors” don’t.
    Especially since the Polish welders are pretty snappy on the uptake, and have made sure they’re Certified to dutch standards nowadays.

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    Grikath – “There’s quite a few Brits around here, quite often welders employed on a per-project basis in shipbuilding and offshore projects.”

    Ahh, yes, the Auf Wiedersehen, Pet vote. Personally I think Oz would be fine with it even if he lost his own job.

    After all, more Poles in the Netherlands means fewer Poles in the UK which means more work for British welders closer to home.

    (In passing, apart from War films, why are the British so utterly indifferent to Germany? Does it actually appear in any work of fiction not related to the War? Even America had a brief flirt with Germany before WW1. The British not so much. Of overseas countries I would think the British are most interested in India, then the sunny White colonies, then France – and these days Spain. There are probably more British people deeply committed to Malaysia than to Germany.)

  4. “They would get fewer rich, law abiding retirees.”
    It’s hard to see why.
    I know, where I live, the grey €uro’s an important part of the economy. It continues to be spent from September thru April whilst the holiday crowd are absent. Makes a lot of businesses viable that wouldn’t be on a 6 month season. And if they weren’t viable, there’d be less attraction for visitors in the holiday season.
    I’d say the same applies over in Tim’s Algarve.
    The locals can be remarkably stupid, at times. The way they’ve handled the property issues around defective planning consents have been sheer, self inflicted, lunacy. But they know which side their bread’s buttered. They ain’t going to kill the geese, lay the golden eggs.

  5. Brexit is about regaining sovereignty / control back over all sort of processes, of which this is just one, not necessarily stopping everything. It will mean whatever we collectively negotiate it to be. Anyone predetermining outcomes now with regard to migration is scaremongering.

    Western Europe used to work just reasonably well with freedom of movement, mainly due to similar-ish levels of GDP / capita.

    Young frauleins and signoritas came to London, entertained the locals with their quirky customs whilst paying lots of tax; and in return our wrinklies (needing warmer weather) took their pensions off to the Med. Flows of both people and money gained equilibriums of sorts.

    And it also worked well in the sense that it’s generally easier to work in a cooler climate and relax / retire in a warmer one.

    “contracts lasting”? Surely, we’re too entangled already for that? We all know either Europeans in London that own their own houses, businesses and more, and / or Brits doing the same elsewhere. Sure, that’ll be a minority, but anyone (even a Polish plumber) can set up a UK company (£1 shareholder) and “have an ongoing contract” with that UK company… That company may then have lots of different contracts through various agencies / other contractors etc.

  6. For comparison, how many Brits work in Norway or Switzerland? And how many Brits have retired to Thailand or other hot countries outside the EU?

    Scaremongering, pure and simple.

  7. My fear is that Merkel and Hollande plan to solve their immigrant problem the easy way.

    Grant them all French/German passports and wave them onto the ferries bound for Blighty.

  8. To respond to SMFS, off the top of my head I can think of Three Men on a Bummel (Jerome K Jerome’s follow-up to Three men in a boat), several novels by John Le Carre, the Berlin stories and Mr Norris Changes Trains by Christopher Isherwood, Sybille Bedford’s The Legacy, Prisoner of Zenda and Rupert of Hentzau, The Good Soldier by Ford Madox Ford, various historical works by people such as Jean Plaidy such as The Princess of Celle, and Saraband for Dead Lovers, which was also filmed, The Fox in the Attic by Richard Hughes, In a German Pension by Katherine Mansfield, The Sabre Squadron by Simon Raven, Frankenstein by Mary Shelley….

  9. @Diogenes

    Nice point and very well made, but I think SMFS has a point.

    England and Germany have the kind of relationship that reminds me of two guys who have had a massive bloody fight one night in the pub, but are compelled to associate because of mutual social acquaintances. Kind of aware of each other, but a bit remote and standoffish.

  10. John Square how about looking back to the 19thc. when Britain and those German principalities, before they were were all wrapped up by Bismark, were very closely aligned, especially when it came to music. Mendelssohn was revered in the UK. Charles Halle (a naturalised “German”) had a certain impact on Manchester. Hans Richter – friend and conductor of Wagner- was the principal conductor of the London Symphony Orchestra. George Eliot and and Thomas Carlyle had long love-ins with German culture. George Bernard Shaw idolised Wagner. German culture loomed large in 19thc Britain. Prince Albert transformed London and British cultural life. It wasn’t until the First World War that the Royal family disguised its linkages with Germany.

  11. So Much For Subtlety

    diogenes – “several novels by John Le Carre,”

    While I personally despite Le Carre, he does write a good book from time to time and he does, in my opinion, have a very good feel for Germany.

    Otherwise …. yeah …. it is not exactly a stand-out field is it?

    More and better books have been written about India, which is not a surprise, but have more and better books been written about Jamaica?

    diogenes – “how about looking back to the 19thc. when Britain and those German principalities, before they were were all wrapped up by Bismark, were very closely aligned, especially when it came to music.”

    The parallel with music is odd because the British love German music and Germans have had no problems moving between Britain and Germany. Where would either country’s musical tradition be without Handel? To a lesser extent, serious German novels have an influence in the UK. A much lesser extent. Popular German culture? Hardly at all. Even then usually when it is very well disguised like Boney M.

    More British people ought to go to Germany. It is actually a really nice place. But you would never know from reading anything any British person ever wrote.

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    diogenes – “thank you, SMFS, for a more more gracious stand-down than I have ever observed from you previously.”

    I have no idea what a stand-down is, but I am no more or less gracious than at any other time.

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