Well, yes, we do seem to have an immigration problem here

Not that I’m going to take anything said by Milos Zeman seriously, ever:

Milos Zeman explained the Brotherhood lacked the resources to launch a military invasion of the continent so was sending waves of migrants as an alternative force

However:

Police in Germany are investigating an alarming series of sexual assaults on women trying to celebrate the New Year by large groups of single men “of Arab or North African appearance”.
Authorities in the city of Cologne are to hold a crisis meeting on Tuesday after police described a group of some 1,000 men who took over the area around the main station on New Year’s Eve.

Women were robbed, groped, and had their underwear torn from their bodies, while couples had fireworks thrown at them.
Police have received 90 criminal complaints, around a quarter of them for sexual assault, including one case of rape.
Police in Hamburg say there was a series of similar incidents in the city’s Reeperbahn red-light area. Witnesses described groups of five to 15 men of who “hunted” women in the streets.

Hmm.

The Mayor of Cologne says women should adopt a “code of conduct” to prevent future attacks following trouble on New Year’s eve when women in the city centre were subjected to sexual assaults by hundreds of men.

Umm, no. Seriously, no:

The proposed code of conduct includes staying an arm’s length away from strangers, remaining within your own group, and asking bystanders for intervene or to help as a witness.
Such a code for young women and girls was designed ” so that such things do not happen to them,” said Ms Reker, who added that it would soon be available online.

Entirely sensible advice of course if there’s such gangs around, of whatever race, religion or grouping such gangs might be. Just as don’t get drunk while wearning nearly nothing among strangers is useful advice for a young woman.

However, one is reminded of Napier and that clash of cultures between gallows for murder and suttee. And that crowd behaviour is much more akin to mutiny or riot than it is to any string of individual offences. Meaning that brutal and immediate suppression is the answer, he regaining of public order first, then the sifting through exactly who had done what.

And this does bring us to Napier again. Those Hindoos did rather have the right to say our gaff, our rules matey. Which was suppressed. And we have, or perhaps young German women, or Germans, or however you want to describe this, have the right to say our gaff our rules today. But it is going to be near violent suppression that decides whose rules do dominate.

Difficult one, no? Whose rights should prevail?

74 thoughts on “Well, yes, we do seem to have an immigration problem here”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    And we have, or perhaps young German women, or Germans, or however you want to describe this, have the right to say our gaff our rules today.

    Quite. Unfortunately the Germans have decided that their rules are that Muslims should be allowed to rape as many women as they like. As are Sweden’s and Norway’s rules.

    And to be honest ours too.

    [The Maori] commenced to kill us like sheep…. [We] were terrified, fled to the bush, concealed ourselves in holes underground, and in any place to escape our enemies. It was of no avail; we were discovered and killed – men, women and children indiscriminately.”

    Who remembers the Armenians indeed. Nor will anyone remember the British.

  2. Clan tribal rules. If you’re not in our clan, you’re fair game for plunder.

    Welcome to the New Europe. Ironically, the young native women are the most likely to survive, as they are of use to the plunderers. Better raped than dead.

    A high trust society is easy pickings for tribalists. Especially one so insane as to make it illegal to take rational reactive measures.

  3. It might be my age getting to me, but I cannot think of a situation in my lifetime more bizarre than the western political establishments claiming our societal structure must be reformed because it oppresses women and *at the same time* providing encouragement to those who actively oppress, assault, and rape women as an inherent part of their culture.

    Can we go back to the Cold War, please? At least there was some vague consistency then.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “Can we go back to the Cold War, please? At least there was some vague consistency then.”

    This is just the result of the Gramscian Long March of people on the other side through the institutions. When people like Joschka Fisher are rewarded for being on the other side of the Cold War, you get politics based on a hatred of the White population and a desire to see it replaced.

    They are being perfectly consistent. They hate you. They want you destroyed, humiliated, oppressed. They have a variety of means to bring that about. Immigration is but one.

  5. @”Difficult one, no? Whose rights should prevail? ”
    No it isn’t, those who attack women like that should be imprisoned (and if not citizens) deported.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    Critics of Merkel’s open-door policy on refugees were quick to blame it for the attacks, despite the police’s insistence that the alleged perpetrators were not new arrivals.

    They can’t arrest anyone, but they know how long each and every one has been in the country. Impressive.

    Each subsequent incident has prompted an escalation in the fierce debate over whether Germany is making itself more vulnerable due to its refugee policy.

    No sh!t Sherlock. You don’t say?

    To go along with the article further down, let me introduce another Indian term to English – purdah. Nowhere with a large Muslim population allows women out in public. The way that Muslim men behave forced the Greeks, the Hindus, everyone, to lock their women up.

    Coming to a town in Britain near you soon.

  7. The BBC has reported on the Cologne attacks quite a few times.

    Not once have I heard the BBC mention the racial origins of the alleged attackers…..

    Meanwhile the BBC were going into PC transgender orgasmidrive last night. ON BBC 1 a black reporter was sympathetically reporting on the problems black and Asian transgender people are having in the UK. Switch to BBC 2 and a female reporter is talking to one female/male/don’t buttonhole me/maybe transgender maybe not person about why she thought men were the problem and another female something or other about why really men were the problem but in a different why.

  8. If the German women would just dress respectably, perhaps a burka or niqab, then they wouldn’t have any of this trouble.

    That’s their logical conclusion.

  9. They are being perfectly consistent. They hate you. They want you destroyed, humiliated, oppressed. They have a variety of means to bring that about. Immigration is but one.

    Has there ever in the course of history been a case where an ethnic group hates itself so much it destroys itself in the process? This is confounding me.

  10. The immigrants are “economic ballast”, their job is to soak up surplus production to stop you getting rich enough to not need the over-priced, substandard government “services”. Making you want more surveillance and more law enforcement is just a happy side-effect.

  11. I’m shocked – and really not joking – to find myself in agreement with SMFS. When we get the police on the one hand saying they are yet to identify he perpetrators and on the oher being adamant they know the perpetrators’ heritage down their generation of immigration then we are in a very bad place where he victims will be tacitly denied justice for political reasons. And yes, this is precisely what happened in Rotherham.

    And no, I haven’t had a conversion. I have always believed in migration. It is an individual’s ( as opposed to a tribe’s) right to move to better themselves. And the host nation benefits from yound and talented prople entering its lanour markets and education system. I have never believed in mass migration. That way only ever leads to sectarianism..at best!

    Germany is paying the price for the politically correct stupidity of its leaders. Sweden and Denmark have just lost the natural Scandinavian free link between Copenhagen and Malmo. And our government has done us proud by not taking in the numbers demanded and not accepting the mob in Calais comprises ‘refugees’.

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “And our government has done us proud by not taking in the numbers demanded and not accepting the mob in Calais comprises ‘refugees’.”

    You wanna bet? We will end up taking refugees in the number that Merkel demands as well as anyone in Calais.

    Cameron does not have the stones to say no.

  13. Ironman: “It is an individual’s ( as opposed to a tribe’s) right to move to better themselves.”

    Another ‘right’ that presupposes that there are no competing rights…

  14. Another classic victim poker hand. The Left are incredible. Their brains seem to be wired up in some weird way which sees everything through a rigid hierarchy.

    The Mayor of Cologneabad would never even have conceived the thought of saying this had the assailants been drunk white men. It would have been literally unthinkable to her.

    Unfortunately this mental defect always accompanies political ambition and a viscous intolerance to opposing views, and that’s why the West is deep in the shit today.

  15. To blame women for this is disgusting, when the real causes – western imperialism and Patriarchy – are all too visible.

  16. I love that part of the proposed code advising women to keep at arms length from strangers. Perhaps some advice as to how to achieve this in a crowded space would be useful. Particularly when the stranger wants to get close.
    Are women to carry guns, or are cutlasses sufficient?
    As far as I can see most of the rest of the code was carried out, and was worthless.
    I would suggest that where, as in these cases it is impossible to determine which of a group is individualy responsible then everyone in the group must face consequences- rough justice to be sure but the alternative is mob rule.
    Perhaps some thought should be given as to whether the culture of an immigrant group is compatible with western culture. Preferably before they are admitted.

  17. As SMFS said, this is why purdah exists in the first place. It fills me with a sadness beyond measure to contemplate what Europeans have been persuaded to voluntarily throw away.

  18. Also, Ironman. There is no right to migrate. This for the simple reason that wherever you want to migrate to belongs to someone. You have a right to leave where you are. You have a right to ask somebody else to accept you. But you don’t have a right to march onto their land without permission.

    It’s the same difference as between a right to buy and a right to steal, and a right to have sex and a right to rape.

  19. 1000 of these scumbags just happen to show up at the train station and spontaneously decide to have a little sex action?
    Obviously it was a plan. The fucking bluebottles manage to arrest five?

    1000 is not a gang it is an invasion.

    Unless we deal with the scum of the left–including or so-called leaders islam will never be buckled as it deserves.

  20. I’m with Ian B on the ‘right’ to migrate to better my life.

    Do I have the ‘right’ to start living in someone else’s house if it’s bigger and more comfortable then mine and so would improve my life? Hey, look, I’ll pay a fair rent and keep the place tidy. And of course if a few of my mates join me, the house would be a little less luxurious and so the rent would have to come down.

  21. Talking of Islam, did anyone else hear the hilarious Radio 5 interview between the two Islamic clerics this morning?

    I now have a great idea for a show about two constantly bickering people who can’t agree on how to boil and egg never mind anything important.

    To be called the Sunny & Shyte Show.

  22. @Ironman

    ‘I’m shocked – and really not joking – to find myself in agreement with SMFS. When we get the police on the one hand saying they are yet to identify he perpetrators and on the oher being adamant they know the perpetrators’ heritage down their generation of immigration then we are in a very bad place where he victims will be tacitly denied justice for political reasons. And yes, this is precisely what happened in Rotherham.’

    You utter cunt. Many times you’ve called people on this very board ‘racists’ and ‘bigots’ for pointing out this stuff is going on. What was it one of your fellow travellers said? ‘Late you come, but still you come.’ Wanker. Have you got daughters? Concerned for your own wife? Getting close to home now is it?

  23. Difficult one, no? Whose rights should prevail?

    Not really difficult, Tim. Unpleasant, but not difficult.

    1) Round up every single follower of the famous 7th century rapist, and their cuckold-fetish German enablers, at gunpoint.

    2) Herd them into open air jails. Not namby-pamby Euro-style jails. Rifle-butt-in-the-teeth and your-balls-eaten-by-Alsatians if you disobey jails.

    3) Identify the ringleaders, try them, and shoot them in public pour encourager les autists.

    4) Deport the rest. Doesn’t really matter where, so long as it’s south of the Med or east of the Suez.

    5) Angela Merkel to get the Ceaușescu retirement package special. Make it a family event, like a sort of Teutonic Noel’s House Party, with celebrity guests such as Martin Schulz.

    Not nice, no. Nice is a luxury we can no longer afford. But it is pretty simple.

  24. No James

    I’ve called SMFS (and others) a Thick.Racist.Prick and I mean it. Individuals moving to the UK haven’t taken anybody’s house. They have come and worked in the City, the the professions, in trade and they have definitely improved our country. Our problems are the problems of success. Other countries like Spain and Italy have ossified before our eyes.
    I have never expressed any support more the sort of mass immigration that sees peasants in pyjamas becoming the dominant grouping in dieing Lancashire mill towns, maintaining a foreign language, an evil misogynistic culture and bringing granny over to sucked up taxpayer money. I have said on a few occasions that we should resist the ‘refugee’ clamour.
    But if you think I’m a cunt, well, the online disapproval of an idiot who is obviously taking too great an interest in what I write isn’t really a problem for me.

  25. How are you going to decide who to round up and deport? I mean, objectively. Is it on a religious or ethnic basis? However simple it may seem- and ignoring the real moral issue- as a practical policy it’s a non-starter.

    Besides which you don’t need to. You just abandon post-marxist PC, send all our own Puritans to some primitive wasteland (e.g. Scotland), and let toxic Western Culture overwhelm the Muzzie culture. Which it will do in short order, which is why the Islamists are so fucking terrified of it. They know, rightly, that if they don’t destroy us, their wanky religion is going to die, overwhelmed by Yankee hamburger chains and tits on the internet.

    The people we need rid of are the white people running our own society, who have adopted this insane self-destructive philosophy. Do that, everything else will sort itself out. There is still time to do this. But not much time.

  26. Individuals moving to the UK haven’t taken anybody’s house.

    You need the brains to understand that the “house” is a metaphor for the land in general.

    They have come and worked in the City, the the professions, in trade and they have definitely improved our country.

    Keep saying that enough, you might believe it eventually.

  27. Ian – How are you going to decide who to round up and deport?

    I refer the honourable gentlemen to the answer I gave some moments ago:

    “every single follower of the famous 7th century rapist, and their cuckold-fetish German enablers”

    as a practical policy it’s a non-starter.

    Au contraire, Rodney. It’s the only way.

    And we know it works. See: the pioneering evidence-based policies of Charles Martel or Cardinal Juan de Torquemada.

    Besides which you don’t need to. You just abandon post-marxist PC, send all our own Puritans to some primitive wasteland (e.g. Scotland), and let toxic Western Culture overwhelm the Muzzie culture.

    I like this plan, and 15 or 20 years ago it probably would have worked. There’s too many of them now though, time for more radical measures. To use a medical metaphor, the problem has metastasized so it’s time for aggressive chemotherapy or the patient dies.

    The people we need rid of are the white people running our own society, who have adopted this insane self-destructive philosophy.

    Absolutely necessary, but not sufficient.

  28. I think unfortunately, European migration with a similar culture is being conflated with the Arabic/African/muslim sort.

    If you deport the former, you may well find a few millions brits shown the way home too. Would that benefit anybody? Not really.

    The latter is the issue.

    I have lived in this country for 30 years (I come from over the channel), my wife 17 (ditto), my kids are born here. I have paid millions in taxes over those years so as far as I am concerned, I have as much right to be here as any cunt whose biggest accomplishment is to be born here.

    That said, I am not allowed to vote here, just to pay. Fine by me, its not my gaff as was so eloquently put.

  29. Monoi – I have no objection to you baguette-fondling, onion-garlanded, stripey-jumper-wearing, Gauloise-smoking cunts. We may have had some disagreements at Crecy and Waterloo, but you learned to respect the essential decency of rosbif culture.

    Vive la France!

  30. Steve, how do you intend to identify who is a Muslim? Or are you actually going to do this by ethnicity? Do they have to be full paki, or do half breeds get to stay?

    I really want to know what your criteria are.

    And there’s still time for my thing to work by the way.

  31. I have just seen a photo of the mayor of Cologne, ” a feminazi” would the usual cry from parts of this blog.

    So what a strange turn – around for her to be saying things no self-respecting feminist would ever say if the perpetrators were not who they are and more our slightly unreconstructed Males here to be outraged on behalf of modern German women.

  32. There is no denying though that Dave Lee Travis suffered 2 trials and eventual conviction for far less than these creatures are able to do with impunity.

  33. Ironman,

    it’s not strange for feminists to say such things, since they invariably subscribe to the belief that any criticism of foreigners is racist. The resultant contradictions is usually lampooned as something like Diversity Trumps.

    Neither do you understand the “unreconstructed males” around here if you think anyone supports mass groping. The issue discussed many times has been whether it is either reasonable or just to prosecute somebody for copping a feel in 1975 when attitudes have altered so much in the ensuing years and no evidence can possibly be available and in an environment of a full-on witch hunt.

  34. monoi – What is wrong with you?

    I went to English schools. 🙁

    Ian – how do you intend to identify who is a Muslim?

    Dude. You’re overthinking this. Chillax. It’s not rocket surgery – if you see a beardy guy wearing pyjamas on the street, or a woman (?) dressed as a ninja, or a mosque, start there. No need to aspergise this up before the party’s even started.

  35. “essential decency of rosbif culture.”

    God only knows where you’ve filched it from, but yes.

    Ecks, on premeditation, I don’t think you can rule out IM-enabled spontaneity plus the usual degeneracy of any mob. Note that I’m not saying it *can’t* have been planned, mind.

    Not that it matters. In the short term, this needs stamping on. Redraw the lines of acceptable behaviour. (that code of conduct is such bullshit).

  36. Strange to find myself as even slightly moderate but I put forward my plan to compare with Steve’s:

    1_ No more RoP migration ever–not even so many as one.

    2–They lose the vote–no more power blocks or Jack Straws.

    3- No more 4 wives–however many women they have in tow they get social security for one woman and two kids. No money for the others –and any money they have been getting for any such others stops. At the very least this will oblige them to use the mosque “charity” obligations to feed their kids instead of going to pay for jihad.

    4–If the have a 3rd kid they lose the money for the first two as well as not getting any extra for the third.

    5–The measure at 3 above is retro-active so any dole-ists with several women and multiple kids in tow will be in trouble. There will therefore be a bounty of £25,000 for any head of household who leaves and takes his families with him. Never to return. Very nasty penalties for any who try to score the cash and then come back. You can call it bribery but it will be a lot cheaper than civil war and probably less costly than what is to be wasted on the Toy Train set.

    5-Muslim Brotherhood outlawed and declared a terrorist organisation–which it is. That wanker–Mr E U Phig-Fooker tried and failed on this one unless I am mistaken. That says everything about the twat. I don’t care about “hate-preachers” –let them rant. Free speech. They will serve as a safety valve. Once young turks see that our old strength has returned they are unlikely to kick off. They will have no victory–only death. I think they will mostly just leave for other climbs more congenial once they see the “Caliphate” is finished.

    6–No more mosques to be allowed in the UK and unofficial ones to be sought out and closed. Halal meat banned and all such slaughter stopped and no sale of such meat allowed in the UK.

    7-The Senior (Arab-sucking) Civil Service to be smashed and gone. This would be part of a much broader part of program of national reform but this particular move would remove allies very valuable to the RoP and an open, vacant ear to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    8-Set large numbers of lower-level civil servants to work to sort out the immigration backlog (see the Steve Moxon blog–he seems BTW to be under almost constant cyber-attack) and pursue illegals. I have nothing against ordinary people working as civil servants because it is a job. While lots of govt depts. can be shut down their workers can stay in their jobs and locations and work at sorting immigration out once and for all. No new Civil Service recruitment but let its workforce wind down naturally while sorting out a mess created by its masters.

    9–Bring the boom down on Saudi money and influence. Fuck the defence industry. Arming potential foes is not a posture of defence. Confiscate any Saudi money we can get our hands on and stop foreign mosque-building and madrassa support programs.

    10-Massive roust of leftists and enablers in the BBC( prob best to just shut it) and all of the councils/police who have been looking the other way . Full open inquiry into what has been going on in our cities re sex and all other crimes. Smash all RoP patrols/no-go areas. Plod seems to have little trouble wielding the cosh on ordinary people. Now they can wield it on our behalf for a change.

    In short the RoP population of these isles can live out their lives quietly and their numbers will decline. There will be no takeover and very little trouble. In fact measures should be put thro to provide at least financial incentives for more stable white families.

  37. Actually, looking at this, it seems the mass groping was a cover for mass pickpocketing and bag snatching. Interesting innovation on the grand tradition of Steaming which our Afro-Caribbean friends enriched our society with.

  38. @Ironman
    “Individuals moving to the UK haven’t taken anybody’s house. They have come and worked in the City, the the professions, in trade and they have definitely improved our country. Our problems are the problems of success. Other countries like Spain and Italy have ossified before our eyes.”
    My wife is an immigrant and there are many useful immigrants.
    However
    a) many are not useful and (like the ones who want to blow up tube trains etc)
    b) Spain has if anything more immigrants than the UK therefore the reason why we are doing better than them is NOTHING to do with immigration.
    c) Spain has a lot lower cost of living than us so we shouldn’t be so proud about our “success”.
    I can only guess than Ironman has never been to Spain.

  39. ‘The Mayor of Cologne says women should adopt a “code of conduct” to prevent future attacks’

    SHARIA, BABY!!!

    ‘It is an individual’s right to move to better themselves.’

    Yes, the individual has the right to leave his state. He has no right to go where he wants to; states have the right to determine who they will accept. Leaving is your right; where you go is not.

  40. Whose rights should prevail?

    The rights of German women to live in peace in their own country, or the rights of others to enter said country illegally and rape them?

    Think, think…a hard question indeed.

  41. Ian B:
    “The people we need rid of are the white people running our own society, who have adopted this insane self-destructive philosophy. Do that, everything else will sort itself out. There is still time to do this. But not much time.”

    I agree, but (to issue a similar challenge as yours to Steve) how do you go about that? How do we get rid? It seems unlikely the democratic process is going to work (560,000+ petition to keep Trump out, etc), so what remains?

    I tend towards SMFS’s pessimism on this. We’re fucked.

  42. Ian B said:
    “Neither do you understand the “unreconstructed males” around here if you think anyone supports mass groping”

    Quite right. Proper groping should be an individual, personal action.

  43. Chickens coming home to roost. If the usual autists and hysterics responsible for American foreign policy had instead taken the long view in Afghanistan and seen that a spell of Communism would quickly bring the country up to speed by developing infrastructure, particularly hydro-electricity and land reform ,breaking the hold of nasty superstitious tribal elders we wouldn’t have a devastated Middle East resulting from “Operation cyclone” (see Net: good photo of mujahideen stinking out the Oval office) as the Americans armed jihadis to fight communists and promptly lost control of them for ever more.
    We are paying a high price for the American jihad against Communism: the “freeing” of the Baltic States to be dumped on the EU totally fucking up its integrated economy (Northampton’s biggest factories Timken and Avon Cosmetics went there like a shot for cheap labour) and permanent trouble with Islamic extremism. Is Islamic extremism more manageable than Communism? (The choice has been made for us by thick but also mad people like Reagan).

  44. PJF-

    Any policy needs the political will to put into action. Obviously if that cannot be achieved, the policy isn’t going to happen. We’re at the stage of somebody in 1950 saying it ought to be legal to be gay or have an abortion; no obvious prospect for it, so just an aspiration.

    My challenge to Steve was how he would actually put his suggestion into operation if he got the political success to do so. I don’t think it is possible even if the whole Establishment were behind it.

    I have no idea how to get rid of the current political class other than the vain hope that enough people will wake up and smell the coffee to vote them out. The question is whether that can happen before it’s too late, a particular problem as we cannot actually know when too late occurs except in retrospect. The longer we leave it, the more extreme the solutions become and the more people will end up supporting the extremity, so sooner rather than later is better on every front.

  45. DBC Reed

    Bollocks, just bollocks! Islamic extremism exists because Islamists are individually and collectively in the grip of evil. To describe it as a reaction to Western policy is to say that Arabs and Persons do not have their own moral agency.

    Is that what you are saying?

  46. DBC is talking shit as usual, but it isn’t “evil” either, which is a useless term.

    It’s a genuine culture war. They know that they either extinguish the West, or their societies will become like the West, which they consider to be a descent into hellish immorality and godlessness.

    “Freedom is cancer, Islam is the cure” and all that.

  47. All I was suggesting was that we would have been better making some accommodation with Communists rather than arming Jihadis to oppose them. Iran had in the Fifties a very left-wing premier called Mossadeq who proposed that the Anglo Iranian Oil Company (in fact BP) should be made to pay for drastic improvements to the Iranian way of life .He also proposed a tax on land rents.This would never do and the Americans with British support (though the UK at the time had many nationalised industries) had him turfed out.Had the Iranian example been fallowed to develop the Middle East would have had many vaguely left-wing democracies.
    In the far East the United States went apeshit about North Vietnam lost a war against them and saw a unified Vietnam become, as now, a prosperous very fast growing economy which is part of the WTO.
    The single minded opposition to all Communist and Socialist states has encouraged radical Islam as a revolutionary alternative to foreign influence.

  48. “There is no denying though that Dave Lee Travis suffered 2 trials and eventual conviction for far less than these creatures are able to do with impunity.”

    The Hairy Cornflake made two basic errors:

    1. Being British
    2. Being white
    3. Not cloning himself 1,000 times and forming a gang everyone pretends doesn’t exist.

    If only he’d planned it better, his Thousand could have roamed the corridors and studios of the BBC with impunity, copping a feel whenever they liked and anyone who complained would have been vaporised on Twitter as a right-wing extreme racist.

  49. @ DBC Reed
    Are you suggesting that the yanks created the jihadis?
    Come to that did the Afghans submit peacefully before the jihadis invaded?
    Did the Russians do anything to develop all those wondrous advances sduring their spell in control?
    Did the drug epidemic in Russia stem from the traumatised cannon-fodder returning to Mother Russia from Afghanistan?
    Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

  50. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “I have never expressed any support more the sort of mass immigration that sees peasants in pyjamas becoming the dominant grouping in dieing Lancashire mill towns, maintaining a foreign language, an evil misogynistic culture and bringing granny over to sucked up taxpayer money.”

    So you support immigration but nice middle class people like you but not immigration by not-nice not-middle class people not-like-you? OK. That is reasonable. But how do you tell them apart? What is the dividing line? More to the point, the pro-immigration parties and 5% immigrants will vote to let more in. That will lose them some votes. But the pro-immigration parties and the 10% immigrant vote will vote to let even more in. That will lose them some more votes. But the pro-immigration parties and the 30% immigrant vote will open the borders.

    How do you prevent that?

    Notice, of course, the textile workers from rural Bangladesh came to this country before the City Bankers.

  51. So Much For Subtlety

    DBC Reed – “If the usual autists and hysterics responsible for American foreign policy had instead taken the long view in Afghanistan and seen that a spell of Communism would quickly bring the country up to speed by developing infrastructure, particularly hydro-electricity and land reform ,breaking the hold of nasty superstitious tribal elders we wouldn’t have a devastated Middle East resulting from “Operation cyclone””

    Really? You mean like in Uzbekistan? You do know that Soviet Central Asians were poorer than Black South Africans, don’t you? How well did the Soviets do in building all that infrastructure in Tadjikistan? But let’s extend this logic. Apartheid did a much better job of doing those things. As I said, Black South Africans were richer than Soviet Central Asians. So no doubt you would support colonial rule over all of Africa?

    DBC Reed – “All I was suggesting was that we would have been better making some accommodation with Communists rather than arming Jihadis to oppose them.”

    Why? Explain to me why Pol Pot is preferable.

    “Iran had in the Fifties a very left-wing premier called Mossadeq who proposed that the Anglo Iranian Oil Company (in fact BP) should be made to pay for drastic improvements to the Iranian way of life .He also proposed a tax on land rents.This would never do and the Americans with British support (though the UK at the time had many nationalised industries) had him turfed out.”

    The Americans did not turf him out. The Iranians did. Well, the Iranians did get their price rises. How has that worked out for them?

    “Had the Iranian example been fallowed to develop the Middle East would have had many vaguely left-wing democracies.”

    They got OPEC. Money has flowed in. How has that been working out for the region?

    “In the far East the United States went apeshit about North Vietnam lost a war against them and saw a unified Vietnam become, as now, a prosperous very fast growing economy which is part of the WTO.”

    Because Communism collapsed shortly after the North’s victory and so they gave it up. Vietnam is just catching up to where it could have been if the Communists had never won.

    Tell me how Cambodia is doing.

  52. So Much For Subtlety

    Ian B – “How are you going to decide who to round up and deport? I mean, objectively. Is it on a religious or ethnic basis? However simple it may seem- and ignoring the real moral issue- as a practical policy it’s a non-starter.”

    We need to undo all immigration since Windrush. Britain should be for the British. We need to end the insanity that says Africa is for Africans, Asia is for Asians, but Europe is for everybody but the indigenous inhabitants.

    So it actually very simple. Everyone else leaves. Algeria managed to get rid of 10% of its population it did not want at independence. We can do the same. That 10% had been there longer than our immigrants. The Jews had been there longer than the Arabs.

    “The people we need rid of are the white people running our own society, who have adopted this insane self-destructive philosophy. Do that, everything else will sort itself out. There is still time to do this. But not much time.”

    That is true. But only as a first step.

  53. An LVT as s solution to Irsnian problems & the Soviets invading Afghanistan for the purpose of providing infrastructure. One’s increasingly convinced, DBC, someone’s writing you as a comedy script.

  54. ” a spell of Communism would quickly bring the country up to speed by developing infrastructure, particularly hydro-electricity and land reform ”

    Still fantasising about old Uncle Joe eh DBC? Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs (or 20 million kulaks) I suppose?

  55. So Much For Subtlety

    Ian B – “The people we need rid of are the white people running our own society, who have adopted this insane self-destructive philosophy. Do that, everything else will sort itself out. There is still time to do this. But not much time.”

    I often think it is too late. We have Muslim rape gangs in Germany. Meanwhile the Daily Mail runs this without comment:

    Amber Amour, 27, was in Cape Town, South Africa, promoting her ‘Stop Rape. Educate’ campaign in November when she she was allegedly attacked by a man named Shakir after she agreed to take a shower with him. After she was allegedly raped, Amber took to Instagram to post photos of herself crying (left) and her rape kit (top right) along with a message detailing the horrific sexual assault.

    What. The. F&ck.

    Clowns to the left of me, rapists to the right. I so rarely think of myself as being in the middle. But no matter how I try, everyone else just becomes more and more detached from reality.

  56. She agreed to take a shower with him? With her clothes on presumably? What next? Shall we have young women accepting that the man can put his penis in her vagina –but only in a completely non-sexual way?

    Reality is getting more fucked than German female railway travellers.

  57. @SMFS “Clowns to the left of me, rapists to the right. I so rarely think of myself as being in the middle.”

    I don’t think you want to be in the middle of a clown and a rapist.

  58. So Much For Subtlety

    Mr Ecks – “She agreed to take a shower with him? With her clothes on presumably? What next? Shall we have young women accepting that the man can put his penis in her vagina –but only in a completely non-sexual way?”

    It is nice to see that some people on Twitter are saner than the Daily Mail. But what can you do? Attention wh0res are going to attention wh0re.

    Learning to trust: After her alleged rape, Amber explained that she has been spending more time naked in public with strangers to prove that nudity is not an excuse for sexual assault

    I know I shouldn’t but I have to laugh.

    Andrew – “I don’t think you want to be in the middle of a clown and a rapist.”

    Usually that would create an awful picture in my mind. But this week I have already seen some obscenely fat poor White trash female Reality TV star from the US (Momma June Bug or something) get a lap dance from a midget stripper. Or a little person stripper. Whatever they prefer. Anyway, it has burned so deep, it has destroyed my ability to imagine anything else.

    On plus side, I have something else to do before I die. Do you think an American Midget Stripper would shank you if you tipped her in small change and told her big people get big money?

  59. DBC Reed said:
    “Iran had in the Fifties a very left-wing premier called Mossadeq who proposed that the Anglo Iranian Oil Company should be made to pay for drastic improvements to the Iranian way of life. He also proposed a tax on land rents.This would never do and the Americans with British support had him turfed out.”

    The Anglo Iranian Oil Company was majority owned by the UK government at the time (had been since before WWI – the Admiralty bought into it to secure fuel for its ships). I’m pretty sure it was us that persuaded the Yanks to help us overthrow the Iranian government in the 50s.

    Nothing to do with evil capitalists – just governments fighting over taxing rights.

  60. Andrew said:
    “I don’t think you want to be in the middle of a clown and a rapist.”

    Wouldn’t they both be running away from each other, so you’d be fairly safe in the middle?

  61. So Much For Subtlety

    Mr Ecks – “She agreed to take a shower with him? With her clothes on presumably? What next? Shall we have young women accepting that the man can put his penis in her vagina –but only in a completely non-sexual way?”

    You joke but Australia has already jailed a man – the thirty second rapist. He was convicted because she claimed that they started to have sex, but she changed her mind half way through. And he admitted that it took him thirty seconds to realise and stop. I think she claimed something like a minute and a half.

    So a seven year prison term for him.

    As it turned out, she did it because she was a friend of the ex-wife and it was a set-up from the start. Still not going to stop any SJW is it?

  62. SMFS, it is recognised by our own governments that Britain and the USA orchestrated the toppling of Mossaddegh. It’s also fairly common knowledge that the Carter administration then played let us say a major part in the toppling of the Shah, as part of a campaign to surround the USSR with crazy muzzies.

  63. So Much For Subtlety

    Ian B – “it is recognised by our own governments that Britain and the USA orchestrated the toppling of Mossaddegh. It’s also fairly common knowledge that the Carter administration then played let us say a major part in the toppling of the Shah, as part of a campaign to surround the USSR with crazy muzzies.”

    Then our governments are fool. Mossadegh was over thrown by Iranians for entirely Iranian reasons. The CIA just came along afterwards and claimed some of the credit. If the British and American governments had done nothing, he would have fallen.

    It is literally insanity to blame the British for the fall of the Shah. I mean literally insane. You may as well say the Queen is a shape shifting baby-eating interstellar lizard and even then David Ickes would still be saner. It is not common knowledge. It is frickin’ insane.

  64. SMFS-

    You believe what you want. The Mossadegh conspiracy is well documented and mainstream history.

    I didn’t blame the British for the fall of the Shah. Carter was president of a country called the USA, you may have heard of it.

  65. The “code of conduct” women in this situation is rip the guilty party’s bloody balls off, not change their own behavoir to avoid being predated on.

  66. “Britain should be for the British”

    But the West Indians, Nigerians, Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, etc who came here since WW2 *were* British – that’s why they were allowed to come here.

  67. Re developments on this thread: @Richard :I thought I had made it clear that the Anglo Iranian oil company was, like BP, 51% British Government owned .Obviously not.That being the case why was the American secret service involved in the overthrow of Mossadeq: it was our pigeon ?
    Ian B does well to refer to the accepted history of this interference in Middle Eastern politics which were evolving leftwards . somewhat ,at the time.Cue anti Communist overreaction. American led.
    @J77 My comments on American sponsored jihadis in Afghanistan were likewise based on accepted history re “Operation Cyclone” on Wikipedia which is balanced if nuanced.You have obviously not read this so your comments on the subject are more than usually besides the point .
    Critics of the chickens- coming-home-to-roost approach might care to ponder the fate of Gadaffi who successfully used oil-wealth for the general benefit in Libya , as Mossadeq planned a generation earlier for Iran, and warned Berlosconi and dimwit Blair of jihadi “invasions” across the Mediterranean (in astonishingly racist language).
    Not to worry : the vulgar pig-poker Cameron stopped his little game.And gave jihadis yet more encouragement and a base on central Mediterranean.

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