What a stunning surprise, eh?

Of all the voters who might be expected to resist the charms of Donald J. Trump, the two million members of the Service Employees International Union would most likely be near the top of the list.

The union, which endorsed Hillary Clinton in November, is widely regarded as one of the more progressive in the labor movement. It skews female and racially diverse — roughly the opposite of a Trump rally, in other words.

But the union’s president, Mary Kay Henry, acknowledged that Mr. Trump holds appeal even for some of her members. “There is deep economic anxiety among our members and the people we’re trying to organize that I believe Donald Trump’s message is tapping into,” Ms. Henry said.

In expressing her concern, Ms. Henry reflected a different form of anxiety that is weighing on some union leaders and Democratic operatives: their fear that Mr. Trump, if not effectively countered, may draw an unusually large number of union voters in a possible general election matchup. This could, in turn, bolster Republicans in swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, all of which President Obama won twice.

Astonishing. Union leaders and union members may not actually have the same political views.

Who would have thought it?

31 thoughts on “What a stunning surprise, eh?”

  1. This is a good reason in favour of the government policy to force unions to get affirmation of political levies from members rather than allowing the present opt out scheme.

  2. I’m beginning to think Trump is going piss the Presidential election, assuming he can get the nomination. Because even if they try and put up another ‘independent’ candidate (such as Bloomberg) that will just split the ‘Establishment’ vote. Trump’s going to hoover up the ‘Maverick’ vote, plus a good % of both Republican and Democrat blue collar voters. In the head to head part of the election he wins hands down I reckon.

  3. I’ve said it before: Trump is going to win.

    First the Republican nomination, then the Presidency.

    He’s the only candidate from either party who could attract a significant swing from the other side.

  4. Mr T has a great line in snappy back anwers. It makes him appear strong.
    Of course the ridiculous hair, the outlandish means of expression, etc., etc. enable him to see in advance what comment he is going to have to answer, thus making snappy back answers easier.

  5. ‘It skews female and racially diverse — roughly the opposite of a Trump rally, in other words.’

    In other words, Scheiber, you’ve never been to or seen a Trump rally. You throw up a stupid Libtard strawman and attack it. What a maroon.

  6. Regardless of who goes to T rallies, his supporters are looking for a strong man- something that attracts women and the poor. Hell why join a union if you think you can look after yourself?

  7. We appear to be in a period in which certainties are breaking down, somewhat similar to the post-war period. Interesting times.

  8. The SEIU’s enthusiasm for open borders has always been an interesting internal contradiction, since adding more low-skilled workers to the US labor pool is so clearly harmful to the interests of its membership. Looks like the rank and file is starting to notice that their union is screwing them.

  9. Gamecock – Yarp.

    Trump appeals to more women and minorities than Bush, Rubio, Paul and Kasich do put together.

    Women love an alpha male. And Trump is so alpha even his hair looks like a lion.

    I bet he has more black and latino supporters than all the rest of the Republican candidates, including Ben Carson. Black and Hispanic voters love a charismatic winner. It’s why Arnie – despite being derided as a “joke candidate” won the governorship of California.

    He’ll easily pick up more minority votes than Mitt Romney did.

    The notion – widely assumed in the media – that American women are going to stampede to vote for Hillary, because vagina, is nonsense. Lots of American women hate Hillary. Younger lefties prefer Sanders. Hillary only really appeals to the middle aged childless trouser-suit brigade.

  10. Steve,

    Look at Trumps wife and kids. There’s lost of women that that is going to appeal to. Women do appreciate a confident bullshitter… They loved Slick Willy…

  11. ‘I’m beginning to think Trump is going piss the Presidential election, assuming he can get the nomination.’

    It does look as though he is going to be the Republican candidate, though a lot of water and a lot of bridges yet et cetera, but I can’t see him winning the presidency. I think the media will go to town on him for Hillary and if that doesn’t work she’ll steal it somehow.

    She’s a lesbian robotically insincere thief, about to walk away from the biggest security scandal since the end of the Cold War, having let her mate Chris Stevens get arse raped to death and lied about it to the widows of the men who died with him and had an innocent bloke arrested as a smokescreen, and she’s cutting about the place without a care in the world, and millions of people apparently love her.

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist (usually) but the USA has been taken over by fucking lizards. It’s the only plausible explanation. Unless it’s lead or fluoride or something.

    Hillary is the next President, you didn’t hear it here first.

  12. I’m not a conspiracy theorist (usually) but the USA has been taken over by fucking lizards.

    I used to think that was just another silly conspiracy theory, but, every time I look at Hillary Clinton, I’m more convinced it’s true. I’m sure she goes home every night and stuffs a live mouse in her mouth like that lady from ‘V’.

  13. Are there any figures as yet for support among young progressives-Democrats for Hillary? That will be crucial. My guess is her biggest problem is that she comes across as very Boomer Era, and is expecting the presidency on the basis of Buggin’s Turn, and whether she gets it will depend on how that plays among the onesie-wearers.

    I can’t see any Republican bar trump getting the presidency if they are nominated (Trump probably has the best chance, but that might not be the same as being able to plant his bum on the throne). Cruz? Another Bush? No way.

  14. “I think the media will go to town on him for Hillary and if that doesn’t work she’ll steal it somehow.”

    What, any more than the media have gone to town on him already? I think he’s played a blinder. He’s done the gaffes now, got them out of the system, and still is in the lead. I reckon the moment he gets the Rep nomination is the moment he gets serious. There’ll be a lot more slick campaigning, none of the bombastic stuff. He’ll switch from ‘Playing the fool to get your attention’ mode to ‘I want to be President for real’ mode.

    Whereas Hillary is in a world of trouble, email wise. The FBI have just announced ‘top secret’ classification material was on her server. If they don’t indict now they are going to give Trump an open goal to aim at, and if they do she’s toast.

    My money would be on Sanders getting the nomination by default, as Hillary is forced to drop out to try and fight her indictment, and Trump wipes the floor with him. Or the Democrats parachute in Joe Biden and Trump eats him for breakfast instead.

  15. Jim: They’ll make an ‘accommodation’ for Hillary. If a worker bee did that they would now be in Leavenworth but these people are on the other side of the risk/benefit equation. There’s more risk in the political blowback of indicting her than the national security benefit of pour encourager les autres.

  16. “I think the media will go to town on him for Hillary…”

    The Media are finding out in this campaign that they no longer control the narrative and they’re getting worried.

  17. The Media are finding out in this campaign that they no longer control the narrative and they’re getting worried.

    Yes, exactly. Worse than that, the more the media show their hate for Trump, the more Trump’s supporters love him.

    Only someone the media hate can really make a difference.

  18. “Not my circus, not my monkeys.”

    Unfortunately the monkeys, in this case, run a circus that’s doing a world tour, sitting on a pile of nukes, and other assorted bags of goo that will get in the machinery if the circus collapses.

  19. So Much For Subtlety

    Steve – “He’s the only candidate from either party who could attract a significant swing from the other side.”

    Actually I am surprised he is getting so much Republican support. But that the Democrats would support a pro-abortion, pro-Amnesty, pro-Eminent Domain, anti-gun New York liberal is not surprising. He is just a more blow hard version of Bloomberg. Except not so Gay.

    Jim – “My money would be on Sanders getting the nomination by default, as Hillary is forced to drop out to try and fight her indictment, and Trump wipes the floor with him.”

    I think Sanders will win it in his own right. I think the Dems have tried for a coronation only the voters aren’t buying. Hilary was always a vile person and a terrible candidate.

    Sander is worse of course. But no one knows him as well as they know Hilary

    Jonathan – “The Media are finding out in this campaign that they no longer control the narrative and they’re getting worried.”

    I am enjoying Trump as the little pathetic media weenies are having their Ceaușescu moments:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_final_speech

    I am happy to support a pro-abortion, pro-Amnesty gun grabber as long as he makes these sh!ts so angry.

  20. ‘Whereas Hillary is in a world of trouble, email wise.’ – Jim

    There is a word for what Hillary has done. Espionage. She has committed capital crimes. She has knowingly passed confidential information to the nations’ enemies.

  21. “Sander is worse of course.”

    Not sure about that. Yes he’s more or less a communist, and communism means murder and lies, but as far as I’m aware, he’s never actually done anything. Perhaps he could be steered away from the worst of his lunacies. For Hillary on the other hand, murder and lies has been second nature for decades already. It’s possible Sanders is just an idiot.

    I bet Hillary had a little grin when she saw what happened to Chris Stevens.

  22. Interested,

    “It does look as though he is going to be the Republican candidate, though a lot of water and a lot of bridges yet et cetera, but I can’t see him winning the presidency. I think the media will go to town on him for Hillary and if that doesn’t work she’ll steal it somehow.”

    It won’t be about “the media”. It’s that Trump’s position on a lot of things is so far outside the mainstream. I mean, the National Review, a pretty solidly conservative publication is currently running him down.

    His appeal to Americans is not too far distant from Jeremy Corbyn – it appeals to people who think we can turn the clock back to some fictional golden age. In Trump’s case, the age before the Muslims, the age before manufacturing went abroad.

    Hilary will win the nomination, and my guess, is going to walk the presidential. Being a criminal bitch won’t matter in the slightest. Will she keep the cheap smartphones flowing, steak on the table, a car in the drive, launch wars when necessary? That’s what elections are won on.

  23. SMFS – But that the Democrats would support a pro-abortion, pro-Amnesty, pro-Eminent Domain, anti-gun New York liberal is not surprising.

    I think a lot of pro-life Republican voters have wised up to the fact that, after 40 years of blowhard campaign rhetoric, none of them are going to repeal Roe v Wade.

    Eminent Domain isn’t likely to be in the top 10 or 20 issues this election. The small number of folks who feel very strongly about it are supporting Rand Paul’s quixotic candidacy.

    Trump says he supports the 2nd Amendment “100%”. He could be lying, of course.

    Trump’s support comes from his charisma, his unabashed nativism and his masterful populism.

    All the other contenders have to offer is the usual creepy Elmer Gantry act that hooks the more gullible Evangelicals while turning off everybody else (Cruz), the Cuckservative establishment “let’s do exactly what the Democrats do, but slower!” schtick (Bush-Rubio), the aspergery libertarian nerd (Paul), and the nice black guy who never had a chance but lets some folks expunge their white guilt (Carson).

    Trump might betray his voters. The others are guaranteed to betray their supporters. Trump is the “Fuck You!” candidate.

  24. The Stigler – Trump’s position on a lot of things is so far outside the mainstream

    Which things? It seems he’s more mainstream than any other Republican candidate, according to the polls.

    the National Review, a pretty solidly conservative publication is currently running him down.

    NR is the home of the sort of invade-the-world/invite-the-world establishment fuckwittery that has driven GOP supporters to defy the party’s leadership. It has nothing to say to ordinary Americans with real jobs other than “think tank employee” or “AIPAC lobbyist”.

    They’re so popular they haven’t turned a profit in decades. If anything, the sight of all those doughy, bow-tied dweebs with names ending in “The Third” turning on Trump only made him seem more like a cool rebel.

  25. mike,

    I bet Hillary had a little grin when she saw what happened to Chris Stevens.

    Why? I’d assumed that Hillary would be annoyed that Stevens got himself killed in a way that reflected badly on her, not that she wanted him dead. What have I missed?

  26. Because I suspect she may actually get a kick out of that sort of thing. You know, the whole “this is what happens when you fuck with me” kind of thing.

    And consider what you’re saying: how exactly did Stevens “get himself killed”? He didn’t get himself killed did he? He was murdered, and it was Hillary’s inaction, i.e. ignoring his multiple requests for help, that allowed that to happen.

    Stevens probably knew something incriminating about Hillary (e.g. gun running through Libya to Muslim groups), and she decided that the best way to deal with it was to allow the Ambassador and his staff to be murdered. As she has no shortage of “assets” in the media, she probably figured she could just lie about it and get away with it. And why not? She’s gotten away with all kinds of things in the past. Why wouldn’t she think she could just as easily get away with this?

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