What? Paul Mason and the absurd

Meanwhile, groups of apparently foreign men in Cologne staged what look like premeditated sexual assaults on women, prompting a new outburst of the racism barely hidden behind German constitutional reality.

Err, racism is “taste discrimination” as the economists have it, not “rational discrimination”. and objecting to a bunch of young men criminally feeling up the birds of the nation isn’t taste discrimination nor racism: it’s rational discrimination.

Twat.

97 thoughts on “What? Paul Mason and the absurd”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    Actually people gave up on taste discrimination a long time ago. They have firmly moved into the world of rational discrimination. IQ tests can be shown to work. A truck driver with a higher IQ is demonstrably a better driver than one with a lower IQ. But they are banned for disparate impact.

    Not to mention the fat short Afro-American woman who repeatedly failed the physical to be a New York Fire Fighter but was allowed to join anyway. If we allow rational discrimination we would have no female anything much. Especially soldiers.

  2. not your strongest point. the racist outbursts are those that do more than object to “a bunch of young men criminally feeling up the birds of the nation” but use this incident to say racist things. Are you really saying incidents like this aren’t grist to the racist mill?

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    Luis Enrique – “Are you really saying incidents like this aren’t grist to the racist mill?”

    Are you willing to consider that perhaps racism is the result of incidents like this? Why do you always assume the poor little rapist dears are the innocent victims?

    I would guess that 40 million new racists were created across Europe this week. Why do you think that is?

  4. “Why do you always assume the poor little rapist dears are the innocent victims?”

    what the fuck are you wittering on about?

    yes I am willing to consider that racism is a rational response to observed behaviour. *** considering *** REJECTED.

  5. The objection is not to race, it is to the evil cult that fosters and encourages this kind of criminal behaviour. Hating Islam is perfectly rational for anyone who believes in Western, liberal democratic values.

  6. Luis – Are you really saying incidents like this aren’t grist to the racist mill?

    Who cares?

    This is [current year]. Racist voodoo no worky no more.

    To put it another way: choosing between a) your wife or daughter being raped, or b) someone calling you a racist, is an easy choice to make.

  7. So Much For Subtlety

    Luis Enrique – “yes I am willing to consider that racism is a rational response to observed behaviour. *** considering *** REJECTED.”

    So no. You don’t want to admit your politics has been enabling these attacks. You continue to hate Western society so much you want to inflict these sort of things on the Swedes and Germans.

    We get it. But at some point reality will intrude. How many more such incidents do you think it will take to change your mind? How many more girls will be raped before you are willing to accept that it is not our fault, it is theirs?

  8. Luis Enrique: *** considering *** REJECTED

    If you’ve already tried rebooting, unplug yourself from the mains and wait five minutes.

  9. Luis – you and that fucking idiot Ironman, with your ‘racism’ bullshit.

    There are white muslims, black muslims, Chinese muslims, Arab muslims, Persian muslims, mixed race muslims… it’s not a race, it’s a series of mad things that people choose to believe. So fuck off.

    If I were as fucking imbecilic as you, I’d suggest that the actual racists are those who pretend that only brown people from the middle and far east are prone to belief in this idiocy.

    But even if you were right in this belief, and that was why some people on this blog complain about the behaviour of *some* muslims, that doesn’t explain why no-one ever says a word about hindus, sikhs, and all the other adherents of equally barmy belief systems from that neck of the woods.

    So ask yourself – if you can possibly remove your head from your own arse – whether actually people are not motivated by racism but by the fact that they have noticed that Islam is a religion of conquest, that its demographics are upward, that wherever they go they tend to cause trouble, of an explosive or rapey nature, and that Paris and Cologne are just the latest manifestations.

    Lapsed muslims I have no issue with at all. I don’t much like observant muslims – even the best of them have strange ideas that I don’t find compatible with westerrn liberalism. But I am just about prepared to put up with them in my country as long as they don’t try to force their ideas on others and as long as they don’t blow shit up and they don’t think it’s open season on women (because I have female relatives and friends and I am concerned for them).

    If you can show me gangs of marauding buddhists feeling up hundreds of girls in town centres, trust me, I’ll be against those fuckers too.

  10. As I’ve said in other threads, the point here isn’t simply the mass groping. It’s that there has been a moratorium on the discussion of ethnic crime, for the above stated reason, for decades. You can only discuss race if you discuss it in terms of white racism harming ethnic minorities. This is all the latest manifestation of a long term policy of institutional discrimination against whites. In the name of “equality”.

    Are we going to start being honest now? I doubt it.

  11. So Much For Subtlety

    Luis Enrique – “dear assorted morons, please stop attributing opinions / politics to me that I do not hold.”

    It looks to me like you just said the worst thing about these attacks was that it provided the non-Left with arguments against more immigration. And that TW’s natural reaction of disgust and anger was somehow improper.

    Maybe I misunderstand. If so I am perfectly happy to listen to you explain what you did mean.

  12. Arnald – Yet in the UK all paedophile rings are exclusively white

    Maybe the ones you’re in, but nah. Rotherham etc.

  13. “groups of apparently foreign men in Cologne staged what look like premeditated sexual assaults on women”

    lol. Mr Mason, rubbishing these reports is so last week, love. Plus it is massively misogynistic, involving the doubt or denial of approx 700 reports from women who were assaulted.

    But then again, the SWP hasn’t got a stellar record where sexual abuse and rape of women is concerned, has it?

  14. As for racial discrimination being rational discrimination, or not, studies on American taxi drivers suggest that either it’s rational, or black taxi-drivers must be very odd fish.

    Trying to pass of suspicion of moslems as “racist” is as daft as passing off suspicion of communists as “racist”: it’s the ideology and its consequences that people dislike, and of which they entertain a rational fear.

  15. Would be interesting to see if “true” paedophilia has a correlation with whiteness. It may well do. Anyone got any good statistics?

  16. “Yet in the UK all paedophile rings are exclusively white.”

    Except for the very large number which are exclusively Pakistani/Muslim.

  17. It’s CEOP that measures those stats and it does report that 50% of those involved in grooming are muslim.

    I’m just pointing out that hardcore kiddie fiddlers are white.

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    By contrast, the seven “Type 2 groups” – paedophile rings rather than grooming gangs – “were reported as exclusively of white ethnicity”.

    So first they define paedophile rings in a special way so that they can exclude Muslims. Then they come up with a White only definition. Great!

    Seven rings. In a population of about 40 million. Let’s say one per six million. You would not expect to find that many non-White ones would you? Yet.

  19. “It looks to me like you just said the worst thing about these attacks was that it provided the non-Left with arguments against more immigration. And that TW’s natural reaction of disgust and anger was somehow improper.”

    that’s because you are watching the hallucinations in your mind rather than paying attention to what I actually write.

  20. It’s CEOP that measures those stats

    It’s not your fault, Arnald. You picked an organisation that should report decent statistics.

    Unfortunately, CEOP suffers from a terrible fear that it isn’t in the public eye, enough, that it’s budget might be cut, and from senior managers from the worst slice of the modern policing community.

    That means that their stats, the definitions they use, and the methodologies they use to produce them are as reliable as political speeches.

  21. Interesting. I can think of a couple of off-the-cuff hypotheses.

    Firstly, the Christian fetishisation of innocence, which can lead to a transgressive desire to corrupt the most innocent of all, children. The more forbidden the fruit, the more appealing it is and all that.

    Second, the low sexual status of white males in a sexual matriarchy. This goes back to some research I read donkeys years ago (no link sorry) from one of the Scandinavian countries which found a negative correlation between legal hardcore porn and child molestation; some perpetrators of the latter were men with normal sexual tastes who, unable to gain adult partners, turned to children as more controllable. The hypothesis being that the (adult) porn in some cases was sufficient to sate their sexual urges instead.

    More research is needed, and all that.

  22. @Luis

    I think it would make it easier for people to understand if you pointed out that it is not rational discrimination to go around beating up random foreigners, who “look like” “migrants. (Not to mention that the whole “look like” bit is pretty awful in practice – think of the number of poor Sikhs who keep being killed by anti-Muslim idiots).

    @arnald

    Your reasoning is unsound. With a sample size of seven*, we cannot expect to draw significant conclusions – just one BME type 2 group would take them beyond their percentage in the population. (made worse by the relative age distribution of BME). Whereas the sample size of 52 with 50% Asian suggests a strongly statistically significant link between Asians and grooming gangs. The only conclusion to be drawn from the data is that Asians are linked to grooming – to say that type 1 gangs are all white is not a statistically robust statement.

  23. * with a rough 90% white population, the odds of whites being no more than statistically represented in type 1 groups is about 48:52.

  24. If however non-whites are more rapey in general, you’d expect them to be over-represented in the paedo-rings group, all else being equal. But the Asian Grooming Gangs were targetting teenagers (“ephebo-“) rather than children (“paedo-“), for instance.

  25. I have said only two things:

    1. Mason is right that the incident in Cologne has prompted racist outputs.

    At more length: it has also prompted lots of non-racist outbursts, objections to women being assaulted etc. and rational fears about receiving large number of refugees and migrants, because refugees and migrants include some number of young men like those who assaulted women in Cologne. I wouldn’t want to hazard a guess as to what proportion of them are repugnant fuckers like the men who did that. Mason is talking about one sort of response, Tim seems to think the response has been solely of the non-racist sort. Maybe Mason makes the error of thinking the response has been wholly racist and ignores the non-racist sort – if so, it is not evidence in excerpt quoted above.

    2. I have rejected the suggestion that “racism is the result of incidents like this”

  26. Luis-

    It is human nature to observe correlations and react accordingly. This is particularly true with threats. If you’ve seen the big stripey orange animals kill a few people, you don’t do a statistical study. You recognise that the big stripey orange animals are dangerous and take protective measures. Any observed correlation that does better than random is beneficial.

    The problem is that when people recognise such a correlation based on ethnicity, people like you shout “racist” and insist that either they ignore it, or they are evil. Simple example: I walking down the street and see a gang of young black men ahead. I am walking down another street and see a group of old black women in their best hats leaving church.

    Being wary of the first but not the second lets me do better than random in protecting myself. If I believe that it is racist to fear the first group, I do not protect myself and will expose myself to danger. It does not matter that the higher risk from Group A does not mean that all black youths are dangerous and that it is unfair to think so. I am doing better than random in self-preservation.

  27. Pre the rise of Islamism, my travels in Muslim lands made me feel like a piece of meat, despite modest dress and useful MSF work. I also recall European countries’ reluctance to issue visas to professional ME colleagues. Now Angela has let in every misogynist goatfucking peasant in a fit of moral grandstanding.

  28. @Arnald

    “Yet in the UK all paedophile rings are exclusively white.”

    This is an absolute statement and represents reasoning. If you had said “all [known]” this would have been a report. You are drawing an inference from data which is incorrect.

  29. Dearieme-

    Apologies for poor writing. Replace with “if some ethnic or religious or otherwise defined groups are more rapey in general”.

  30. There’s one solid and unarguable conclusion that I think I can draw from all the comment about the events in Cologne:

    Paul Mason is a stupid fvcking cvnt.

  31. The Japanese men do a lot of crowded train fondling, don’t they?

    ken

    I wasn’t reasoning, I simply forgot to put “reported” when I paraphrased.

  32. “Arnald

    I’m just pointing out that hardcore kiddie fiddlers are white.”

    As my family had painful experience of one who was Somalian, I beg to disagree.

    I would certainly expect paedophiles to be predominantly white in the UK as we have a predominantly white population but to say they all are is absurd and devalues any other argument you want to build from that.

    There are aberrant people in any ethnic group, what is disturbing to many is the apparent distain certain ethnic groups appear to hold for young white girls. And we’re not talking race here as no-one is complaining about the Chinese or the Fijians. Nor are we talking about the Indian sub-continent as no-one is complaining about Indians. In fact if you like research you’ll find a vastly disproportionate representation among child sex grooming gangs on Pakistani Muslims. And you’ll find that the police encounter resistance right up to and including the wives of those accused on the grounds that the white girls being molested are ‘trash’ anyway.

    So maybe you keep all the sexual molestation ‘on Island’ where you are, but on the mainland we have different problems.

  33. Arnald

    “ken

    I’m not reasoning anything. Just copying and pasting.”

    Perhaps try more reasoning and less copying and pasting.

  34. DocBud – I am Stevius Maximus 😉

    Ljh – Now Angela has let in every misogynist goatfucking peasant in a fit of moral grandstanding.

    this is the heart of the matter, not the irrelevant “b-b-but some white men are paedos too!” bumpickery above – as if that were an excuse for importing more sex offenders.

    Overwhelmingly, these rapefugees are horrible, shitty people from horrible, shitty cultures. We don’t need them, we don’t want them, and we can’t live with them.

    They have no business being in Europe. Refugees not welcome here.

  35. The left must be smashed In order to deal with the attempt takeover of our countries.

    This must be the top priority. Socialism is the evil that enables all other evils.

  36. I’ll note that Ian B’s example of racist versus sensible applies just as much if it is young black men in their best suits leaving the church.

    Or if it is a group of young people on the corner (chavs being more likely to kick off to demonstrate to their women. And female chavs being pretty damn vicious too!)

  37. Mr Mason, presumably for reasons of space, left out the other place where Mein Kampf and Hitler are enormously popular – Palestine (and the Arab world in general).

    He did find a couple of paragraphs to attack Israel though, so that’s fine.

  38. I don’t much like observant muslims – even the best of them have strange ideas that I don’t find compatible with westerrn liberalism.

    Recently I was out to dinner with a Turkish girl, middle class, professional, US educated, etc. All very liberal. Except she thought Israel shouldn’t exist. Out of all the 260-odd countries in the world, she thought just one shouldn’t exist: the Jewish one.

    I walked out of the restaurant and left her blubbering in the middle of the road. As you say, even the best have ideas which, when pushed, don’t stack up well against Western values. In her circles, such views were quite normal.

  39. Not a mention of immigration. It’s apparently down to high reporting rates, the internet and booze. Srsly.

    Did you see the one from the BBC last week on segregation in the US? It’s all down to racist whitey, no mention of crime or failed government policies.

  40. “Did you see the one from the BBC last week on segregation in the US? It’s all down to racist whitey”

    I expect that was down to BBC staff projecting their own guilt. They don’t exactly live in the ghetto themselves.

  41. Rob – I expect that was down to BBC staff projecting their own guilt

    This is something I’ve never grokked, maybe because my rotten childhood was like something from an Alan Bleasdale drama, and the only black or asian people I knew growing up were far better off than me.

    Do people really feel guilty for being white? Or is it all just status-signalling?

  42. Western liberal democracies created the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and stuff like the refugee laws so that we could strive to be better. So that there would be no repeat of the refusal to allow in Jews fleeing persecution before the second world war. These are noble aims. It is slightly depressing to read the reaction on here. And to be fair the world is a flawed place and undoubtedly some of the refugees will wear (have worn) out their welcome.

  43. Ljh said:

    Now Angela has let in every misogynist goatfucking peasant in a fit of moral grandstanding.

    Tony Blair did the same and largely got away with it. For the same reasons too – a perception that the ‘right’ is racist/xenophobic and needed punishing. He did it while he was still popular and walked away before it exploded.

    By contrast Merkel seems to have had a reverse-Midas touch for a while now.

  44. Ken – It is slightly depressing to read the reaction on here

    St. John’s Wort is quite good for that.

    Accepting “refugees” to satisfy the mushy, preening, feelgoods of politicians has only resulted in rape and murder.

  45. Ken,

    The solution to the problems in the Middle East is not to put European citizens at risk by transporting every follower of the pernicious cult of Islam, which has values totally at odds with those of Western civilisation, to Europe. We can help these people in the safe countries that they flee to until such time as they are able to return to their own countries.

  46. These attacks were vile; I agree with condemnation of them.

    And I agree that there seems to have been an element of premeditation. I wonder how that might have worked.

    The notion that public sexual assaults are alien to German culture is however at odds with reality. Look up Oktoberfest.

  47. “Arnald

    The Japanese men do a lot of crowded train fondling, don’t they?”

    That’s weird. In leftist propaganda nonsense ‘The Sprit Level’ Japan’s relative financial equality was held up as almost certainly causing Japanese people to have longevity much higher than evil unequal western countries. They never discussed whether the equality caused Japanese middle aged men to get off by behaving like demented monkeys on crowded tube trains.

  48. “Social Justice Warrior

    The notion that public sexual assaults are alien to German culture is however at odds with reality. Look up Oktoberfest.”

    Looked it up. Missed the bit about pre-meditated attacks by mass gangs. Do you have a direct link?

  49. Anyone who has ever been made to wear Lederhosen as a boy (Alan Bleasdale missed a trick there, Steve) will know that this is not the garment of chase for those times you’re feeling a bit rapey.

  50. Not read all that’s above in the comments, but my main thought is that (despite the ubiquity and unanimity of the witness testimony in relation to Cologne) the left are being a bit weird.

    There’s mass victim blaming (something they traditionally accuse others of) and some hugely unlikely alternative causes (it’s a new nazi plot) to explain away something that seems fairly obvious to a bystander. Namely- large crowd of pissed up blokes with a poor understanding of local customs did something very bad.

    If this were blokes from the UK disrespecting a cultural site oversees by failing to observe local rules, the Guardian would be frothing. Ditto if it were a sportsman propositioning a young female reporter (say).

    As for the broader impacts of the event, well, opinions will differ. But the facts of the incident itself seem settled and unconventional.

    I’m genuinely surprised at the gymnastics involved here by yer Masons and the rest.

  51. AndrewC

    I’m not sure there’s a correlation between financial equality and blokes touching up women in crowded trains. Or indeed what rubbish point you are trying to make.

    There is a problem in Japan, they have segregated carriages now.

  52. Social Justice Warrior said:
    “The notion that public sexual assaults are alien to German culture is however at odds with reality. Look up Oktoberfest.”

    I looked it up. Rape & attempted rape generally in single figures per year – this for a 16-day booze marathon with over 6 million people.

    Most recent figures I could find were 2014 – seven sexual assaults, including two rapes (one of the victims being a man from Leeds who was gay-raped whilst pissing in some dark bushes outside the festival).

  53. “Err, racism is “taste discrimination” as the economists have it, not “rational discrimination”. and objecting to a bunch of young men criminally feeling up the birds of the nation isn’t taste discrimination nor racism: it’s rational discrimination”

    It can be rational to discriminate on the basis of race

  54. Meissen wins the thread with “black forest ghetto”.

    John Square-

    It’s not as such victim blaming. It’s standard leftist class blaming. The whole of post-marxist progressivism is predicated on a class struggle between oppressor and victim classes. Everything has to be assigned on that basis. Since race trumps gender (even for feminists),

    white (women) > BME (men)

    Women are oppressors as whites but victims as females. What it boils down to is that PMPs suffer constant cognitive dissonance, which is why they’re so angry all the time.

  55. “Everything has to be assigned on that basis. Since race trumps gender (even for feminists)”

    Did you see the feminists discussing this on Ch 4 news tonight?

  56. Paul Mason writes:

    “Amid all this, the danger is not just another demagogue toting a modern Mein Kampf; there are thousands of little Mein Kampfs being written on social media…”

    He must be reading us.

  57. So Much For Subtlety

    Napsjam – “As usual, Luis Enrique is the smartest and sanest man on the thread.”

    Hi Luis’ Mum! Nice to see you here.

    Ironman – “He must be reading us.”

    Also causing racism this week – gang rapes!

    If the sensible people do not produce a policy to fill the void, someone else will. So what is your policy? What have you got to offer than the Fascists don’t? You think we should lie back and enjoy it? If not, what?

  58. So Much For Subtlety

    Luis Enrique – “I have said only two things: 1. Mason is right that the incident in Cologne has prompted racist outputs.”

    That is not what Mason said, or at least it is not his point. He said the racists have been manipulating anger to fuel racism – as if there is something improper about feeling angry about these assaults. Which is pretty much where you went too – grist to the mill is what you said. That looks like telling TW off for being annoyed to me.

    But, whatever. I am sure you know you are right.

    “At more length: it has also prompted lots of non-racist outbursts, objections to women being assaulted etc.”

    Which you failed to mention in your original post. Even the possibility of non-racist outbursts. TW mentioned them and you attacked him for doing so.

    But whatever.

    “2. I have rejected the suggestion that “racism is the result of incidents like this””

    Indeed. Because gang rape can never produce a dislike of, say, Soviet soldiers. At least the Left is consistent.

  59. …large crowd of pissed up blokes…
    nothing to do with Islam then.

    … a poor understanding of local customs…
    and yet
    …I looked [Oktoberfest] up. Rape & attempted rape generally in single figures per year…
    you’re not blaming Muslims for those assaults, I suppose

    …pre-meditated attacks by mass gangs…
    So the attacks were planned by someone. Yet when Frances C wondered who, you all called her mad.

    …There’s mass victim blaming…
    If that’s true, it’s wrong. The culprits are to blame.

  60. there are thousands of little Mein Kampfs being written on social media

    Whenever I hear “racism”, I reach for my gun.

    Seriously though. If your reaction to hordes of invaders raping European women is to fret about “racism”, get in touch with your GP and ask if they can use an electron microscope to find your balls.

  61. Will be interesting to see how they deal with immigration in the new remake of Anne of green gables

    “A female-led team of award-winning producers has signed on to create a new version of the Lucy Maud Montgomery classic simply entitled Anne, which will follow a similar storyline to the original novel about the spirited 13-year-old but also “chart new territory.””

  62. Rape is an in-group/out-group phenomenon, so the objections to sexual assault committed by foreigners are both ‘taste discrimination’ and ‘rational discrimination’.

  63. “Seriously though. If your reaction to hordes of invaders raping European women is to fret about “racism””

    Look at Germany currently putting on a fake show of giving a shit. This is all we will do. It is less about balls than about self hatred.

    It isn’t racist to rationally discriminate against invaders on grounds of rape and pillage. That is what invaders do.

  64. SJW ‘…large crowd of pissed up blokes…

    Nothing to do with Islam then.’

    Ah, this old chestnut again. The 9/11 scum went drinking & partying before their ‘mission’. Were they not Muslims either?

    Seriously, the progressives are getting beaten like redheaded stepchildren over Cologne, and they are too thick and complacent to come up with better arguments.

  65. “So the attacks were planned by someone. Yet when Frances C wondered who, you all called her mad.”

    They were planned by the people who carried them out

    Why is this so difficult to understand? Why does ‘planning’ require some conspiratorial puppet master, preferably white? The people who did this crime are adult humans who are capable of carrying out vile crimes with full knowledge and agency.

  66. So Much For Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “nothing to do with Islam then.”

    The near-total lack of rapes at Oktoberfest? Yes, I think we can agree that near-total-lack of rapes has nothing to do with Islam.

    “you’re not blaming Muslims for those assaults, I suppose”

    The near total lack of rapes? Hard to blame Muslims for that.

    “So the attacks were planned by someone. Yet when Frances C wondered who, you all called her mad.”

    That is such a deranged distortion of what FC said that I am impressed. It is not that she wondered who, it was who she wondered. Germany’s situation after WW1 was planned by someone. To blame it on the Jews was deranged. Or do you think all conspiracy theories are equally valid?

    “If that’s true, it’s wrong. The culprits are to blame.”

    And perhaps hte Rape Culture they brought with them.

  67. …The 9/11 scum went drinking & partying before their ‘mission’. Were they not Muslims either?
    The point is that the Cologne attacks were plainly not fuelled by the “pernicious cult of Islam, which has values totally at odds with those of Western civilisation” but, on the contrary, by the attackers’ abandonment of Islamic values.

    …the progressives are getting beaten like redheaded stepchildren…
    Yes quite. The commentating mob here is in an irrational rage against outsiders they don’t like the look of..

  68. “…abandonment of Islamic values…”

    So what are you saying? That they abandoned Islam when they failed to slaughter the women after they’d raped them?

  69. So Much For Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “The point is that the Cologne attacks were plainly not fuelled by the “pernicious cult of Islam, which has values totally at odds with those of Western civilisation” but, on the contrary, by the attackers’ abandonment of Islamic values.”

    Plainly? Can you explain why you think they were plainly not fueled by Islamic values?

    Islamic culture has been one of supporting the rape of non-Muslim women. From the first days Islam has endorsed the raping of non-Muslim women. Muhammed himself raped non-Muslim women. Most Islamic literature eventually gets around to endorsing the rape of non-Muslim women. The 1001 Nights being a good example. Why do you deny all of this?

    “Yes quite. The commentating mob here is in an irrational rage against outsiders they don’t like the look of..”

    Some people are enraged by gang rape. Some are not. Chose you side wisely.

  70. SJW: “The point is that the Cologne attacks were plainly not fuelled by the “pernicious cult of Islam, which has values totally at odds with those of Western civilisation” but, on the contrary, by the attackers’ abandonment of Islamic values.”

    Aha! The ‘no true Muslim’ gambit!

  71. The near-total lack of rapes at Oktoberfest
    Some people are enraged by gang rape

    If there was a near-total lack of rapes at Oktoberfest, there was an equal lack of rapes in Cologne.

    The victims won’t think so, but let’s be consistent.

    What is’t to me, when you yourselves are cause,
    If your pure maidens fall into the hand
    Of hot and forcing violation?

    It’s true that the rape of captives was common in mediaeval warfare. It’s not true that that was peculiar to Islam.

  72. So Much For Subtlety

    Social Justice Warrior – “If there was a near-total lack of rapes at Oktoberfest, there was an equal lack of rapes in Cologne. The victims won’t think so, but let’s be consistent.”

    How many victims reported rape at the Oktoberfest again?

    Still, the number of other crimes at Oktoberfest has decreased. The number of rapes and attempted rapes is down from five at this point last year, to three

    So 3.5 million drunken young people, three rapes or attempted rapes.

    So far over 500 women are reporting sexual assault in Koln.

    It’s true that the rape of captives was common in mediaeval warfare. It’s not true that that was peculiar to Islam.

    When soldiers get out of control they get out of control. There was nothing in law or practise that justified that rape much less made it legal. As in Islamic law. Even in the case you cite, the rape is condemned, and merely threatened. No woman was raped:

    Open your gates. Come, uncle Exeter,
    Go you and enter Harfleur; there remain,
    And fortify it strongly ‘gainst the French:
    Use mercy to them all.

    Unlike, of course, every single city taken by a Muslim ever. Except in a few rare cases of surrender.

  73. rape…sexual assault…
    Not the same thing, dimwit.

    Except in a few rare cases of surrender
    Henry threatened mass rapes unless the citizens of Harfleur surrendered. Which they did, because they believed him.

  74. Yeah, it was a pity that everyone was so deranged they were incapable of recognising a straw man the size of Nelson’s Column. Twats, the lot of you.

    Lijh, disposing of raped livestock is in the Old Testament. That’s where the Muslims get it from. Leviticus 22, 15-16:

    “If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

    Sex with animals seems to have been a thing in Old Testament times. It is explicitly forbidden FOUR times.

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