Caroline Lucas sure is dumb

Green MP Caroline Lucas said that access to documents on “this hugely significant trade deal” was necessary before UK parliamentarians were asked to vote on it. “But the bad news is that a cloak of secrecy still surrounds TTIP. If the same rules apply here in the UK as they do in Brussels, which is what the minister is implying, then MPs will be bound by a confidentiality agreement if they want to see the text,” Lucas said. “This opaque process, which shuts citizens out of this crucial debate, is profoundly undemocratic.”

MPs don’t have all that much say in the matter actually.

And when we have a final text, it’ll be governments and MEPs who decide.

Oh, and the reason for the secrecy? Because it’s a document still being negotiated. The final text will be public.

13 thoughts on “Caroline Lucas sure is dumb”

  1. Piss on all computers.

    Again:

    So are numb-nuts MPs being asked to vote on a deal that is not yet written?

    Cos if that is true, then as much as I despise the Marxist, green, eco-freak witch-bitch, she has a point.

    And if so, those crooks and political sharpers who gave the hag a valid point urgently need to be dead.

  2. “…it’s a document still being negotiated”. Any reason that shouldn’t be made public? We, the people, need to keep an eye on what the incompetent farts who rule us are doing.

    “The final text will be public”…translated….it’ll be made public 24 hours before parliament votes on it, so that in effect debate is impossible.

  3. We’re imminently going to have a referendum on a deal which won’t have been finalised when we vote on it, so nothing remarkable here.

  4. “We’re imminently going to have a referendum on a deal which won’t have been finalised when we vote on it, so nothing remarkable here.”

    You mean vote on a deal that can be subsequently revoked.

  5. “If the same rules apply here in the UK as they do in Brussels, which is what the minister is implying, then MPs will be bound by a confidentiality agreement if they want to see the text,”

    Oh sorry Miss Green-Europhile, don’t you like those European rules? Well they’re the rules you’re busy defending and, as our European partners are currently making very clear, there really is no real mechanism to change them. So perhaps you might like to take a look at the adult world’s “Actions have consequences” rule.

  6. @Johnnydub – that’s the best case scenario.

    As I understood it, that nice Mr. Schultz says that he can’t bind the parliament to vote one way or the other and the date of the vote isn’t fixed.

    Cameron might as well be talking to one of Schultz’s chauffeurs for all the good it’s done.

  7. Or we could give Dave’s deal the traditional two-fingered salute and tell the fat German national socialist where he can stick his EU.

  8. @ BiW
    He is not a national socialist – he is an international socialist. Need one remind you that the National Socialists were a consequence of the international socialists?

  9. @john77

    And neither group are actual socialists. I’d suggest an new term for the antonym to fascists but it will also be corrupted.

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