That Swedish paradise

The Swedish state has a dark history of persecuting the Sami, banning the Sami languages from schools, while Sweden’s National Institute for Race Biology from 1922 spearheaded a sterilisation programme which saw many Sami women rendered infertile.

Well, yes, Stalin faced much the same problem. How are you going to make happy little government campers of people who camp without government?

Those who would have an ordered society do tend to try to wipe out the nomads.

17 thoughts on “That Swedish paradise”

  1. All that eugenic stuff seems a bit silly in retrospect, since they’ve allowed themselves to be invaded by tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people from Crapistans.

  2. It wasn’t just Sami people and wiping out nomads. There was also a significant Finnish-speaking indigenous population in northern Sweden – not nomadic, but permanent settlements since pre-historic times – and the Swedish government wanted to wipe out that culture. They had no rights to use their own language in any official purposes, or schools. Their children were punished for speaking Finnish at school, even in class intervals, until 1970’s.

    The eugenics program, with forced sterilizations, went on until 1975; officially it was closed in 2012.

  3. Still going on today. The UN is pushing for an end to subsistence farming. People in central Africa will be herded into concentration camps where they will starve to death, all to save them from a high infant mortality rate, and so they will quit cooking with dung. It’s for their own good.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    dearieme – “All that eugenic stuff seems a bit silly in retrospect, since they’ve allowed themselves to be invaded by tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people from Crapistans.”

    Taking millions from Orcistans is predicated on rejecting the society that believed in eugenics. So it is not silly in retrospect. As vile as it was, the present situation proves there are worse policies and Sweden was better off with eugenics.

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    pjt – “They had no rights to use their own language in any official purposes, or schools. Their children were punished for speaking Finnish at school, even in class intervals, until 1970’s.”

    These policies were common everywhere in Europe except Britain. Even then I am not sure about Britain. You could say the same about France, for instance, except the French started earlier and did the job more thoroughly. Or Spain.

    “The eugenics program, with forced sterilizations, went on until 1975; officially it was closed in 2012.”

    That is the unusual part. Switzerland too. Social Democrats are such nice people.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    Ian B – “Such things were “Progressive” a century ago.”

    Things like that are no less progressive now. They just prefer to do it in utero.

    A century ago, there were three main schools of thought about what to do with the feckless and non-conforming.

    1. The Social Democrats wanted them sterilized,
    2. The heartless capitalists were happy to leave them to starve in the gutter,
    3. The Churches wanted them cared for in institutions if bad enough but otherwise given charity.

    Oddly enough the Left has agreed with the Christians and this is one of those areas where the Social Conservatives have worked with the Hard Left. Which is where we are. We can’t sterilize them and we can’t leave them to enjoy the fruits of their folly.

    The only solution is gene therapy and encouraging abortion.

  7. Under de Gaulle’s education reforms schoolchildren were punished for speaking patois or being left handed.

  8. So Much For Subtlety

    bloke in france – “Under de Gaulle’s education reforms schoolchildren were punished for speaking patois or being left handed.”

    Patois? Catalan and Breton are dead. Alsace has gone from being virtually entirely German-speaking to entirely French-speaking.

    Can’t blame that on De Gaulle either. It has been going on since the Revolution.

  9. dearieme said:

    All that eugenic stuff seems a bit silly in retrospect, since they’ve allowed themselves to be invaded by tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people from Crapistans.

    I guess it is the eugenics past that allows statists to believe that the public are secret racists who must be diversified for their own good. Yet it was statist doing the eugenics in the past and statist enabling the invasions now.

  10. Welsh was banned in schools, even at break times. My mother went to school a Welsh speaker and left the system years later not being able to hold more than a basic conversation.
    Britains history of this isn’t much better than other Europeans, especially if including colonies.

  11. Talking of a hundred years ago, I was amused yesterday to read in an R Austin Freeman Dr. Thorndyke story the following passage which shows that there’s nothing new under the sun:

    …all women are prone to hysteria; but whereas the normal woman tends to laugh and cry, the weaker vessels develop inexplicable diseases, with a tendency to social reform and emancipation.

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke not in Cymru – “Welsh was banned in schools, even at break times. My mother went to school a Welsh speaker and left the system years later not being able to hold more than a basic conversation. Britains history of this isn’t much better than other Europeans, especially if including colonies.”

    But a lot of this wasn’t government policy. So much of education being devolved back in the good old days. Certainly in Scotland the bloody Scottish Church decided that English was the best choice and so stamped out Gaelic to the best of its ability. Not the British state. The Catholic Church in Ireland too wasn’t exactly a stand out for defending the language.

    In France it was government policy. You could not even give your children traditional names if you were not French French.

  13. My grandmother’s family is Swedish from Finland. My relative that still live there speak Finish and don’t publicly acknowledge being Swedish. I wish I could ask my great-grandparents if the choice was get out or become Fins?

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    Liberal Yank – “My grandmother’s family is Swedish from Finland. My relative that still live there speak Finish and don’t publicly acknowledge being Swedish. I wish I could ask my great-grandparents if the choice was get out or become Fins?”

    Depends where they are from. If they are from the Åland islands that is rather unlikely. Even if they are not, Finland is hardly a model of oppression for Swedes. Considering that Finland’s father of independence Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim, despite his many many years of service in the Russian Army, was Swedish by ethnicity and did not even begin to learn Finnish until he was 50 or so. They still elected him President and pretty much everything else.

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