The proof that feminism has failed

The trend to hold up these women as feminist role models because they’ve succeeded in their careers is worrying. It’s also a worrying distraction. I wrote Lean Out to counter the move towards focusing on an individualist approach to feminism, which considers successes by particular women as intrinsically feminist, to the detriment of women’s economic and social position in society more widely.

That talented, lucky and hard working women succeed, just as to succeed men need to be talented, lucky and hard working, is absolute proof that feminism has failed.

Oh yes. And don’t you dare use your logic on me you cis-sexist patriarchal pig!

16 thoughts on “The proof that feminism has failed”

  1. Feminism has entirely succeeded. It’s hegemonic, and support of it is obligatory in the public sphere. No movement could be less of a failure.

    Unless you think it’s something to do with “equality”, which it never was.

  2. Said it before: feminism is a subset of socialism, in that it believes in sharing it out. Successful women might call themselves feminists (to avoid the bother of say they aren’t), but really, they’re egalitarians who believe in equality of opportunity.

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    It is the same logic as the hatred of Grammars – nothing worse than a system that takes bright young working class men and turns them into successful Upper Middle Class professionals. Deprives the workers of their natural leaders.

  4. Stig-

    I disagree. Feminism isn’t egalitarian. It’s an elitist movement. The purpose is to boost women of the upper middle class (whatever you call it) into positions of social dominance. The equality schtick is just justification.

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    Edward Lud – “You have to be a feminist nowadays, if you want to get your leg over.”

    You know, it is very rarely that I quote a Gay American mediaevalist with approval. Or ever. But as one said recently, before being declared Satan’s spawn, women hate effeminate gutless men.

    No one wants to sleep with a male feminist.

  6. The Stigler: they’re egalitarians who believe in equality of opportunity.

    They’re rather more like egalitarians who believe in equality of outcome, I’d say.

  7. “You have to be a feminist nowadays, if you want to get your leg over.”

    The opposite. 50 Shades sold twelvety squillion copies because women discovered (or were effectively forced to admit) that a non-PC dominant alpha male made them exceedingly moist between the legs………………you’re mixing it up with getting a ‘relationship’ or marriage – you have to be a compliant PC beta (who nevertheless has some money) to get those. Getting sex on the other hand, different ball game.

  8. Whether feminism has succeeded or failed depends entirely on the metric used. If the metric is increasing numbers of women in boardrooms, it is succeeding; if the metric is fewer catcalls on the streets of New York, it has failed.

  9. The opposite. 50 Shades sold twelvety squillion copies because women discovered (or were effectively forced to admit) that a non-PC dominant alpha male made them exceedingly moist between the leg

    Chateau Heartiste had a great post up some years back about how, in order to figure out what women thought, read a whole tranche of women’s pulp romance novels. He said a reoccurring theme was the rather, erm, non-consensual element to the naughty bits with lots of use of words such as “powerless”, “overwhelmed”, and “submitted”. Don’t listen to what women say, watch what they do.

  10. Ok, another quote from a cultural giant:

    All women enjoy semi-rape.

    Btw, I believe in almost nothing I write. I’m a sort of sympathetic troll.

  11. Always be careful of confusing fantasy with reality. Watching The Walking Dead doesn’t mean you actually want to live a grim life watching everyone get killed one by one because your leader is an incompetent twat.

    The Feminists can’t tell the difference. I hope we are cleverer than that.

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “Don’t listen to what women say, watch what they do.”

    That is not necessarily what they do though. That is what they read. Even then they are not reading something that is about rape per se. But quasi-rape by a very strong, powerful, rich handsome, young man.

    Dare I say, not rape-rape.

    The question is which of those elements matter. I would not advise anyone to go straight to the rape without paying some attention to the 1. strong, 2. powerful, 3. rich, 4. handsome and 5. young parts. In fact I might well suggest the exact opposite.

  13. “No one wants to sleep with a male feminist”

    Last night’s threesome says otherwise. Treating women like human beings has always worked for me.

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