What joy

The winner of a national transgender beauty pageant has been stripped of her title amid accusations she was a drag queen and “not transgender enough”.
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Rachael said: “When Jai entered the competition, she said she was full time and she is not – she is a drag queen.
“The documentary showed her living as a gay male in her boxer shorts.
“Underwear is very important to transgender females – one of the first thing people do is change their underwear as it makes us feel like we are finally a woman.

She said she had severed all ties with the pageant, which she claims forces transgender women into a female ‘stereotype’.

That last is just lovely. Because, well, yes, I guess so really.

55 thoughts on “What joy”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    She said she had severed all ties with the pageant, which she claims forces transgender women into a female ‘stereotype’.

    So they are oppressing a transsexual by insisting that she walk the walk and not just talk the talk, so to speak? You know, it is hardly the most oppressive thing I have heard about this week. But I suppose if you ditch reality and any sort of objective measure of sex (you know, like chromosomes, genitalia that sort of thing) you have nothing but feelings anyway.

    Obviously the solution is an official government certificate that will be handed out by an official body, we could call it OfDorothy, that everyone would have to accept.

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    Ljh – “So underwear is what makes one a woman….Who’d have guessed?”

    Homer J. Simpson! That is who! As in so many things, Homer is there way ahead of the rest of us:

    Marge, you being a cop makes you the man! Which makes me the woman — and I have no interest in that, besides occasionally wearing the underwear, which as we discussed, is strictly a comfort thing.

  3. I cannot decide whether it was better when the whole transsexual thing was underground and we knew nothing about it. What we have now is serious news reporting that actually sounds more like a surreal joke from the two Ronnies.

  4. The main prize for the competition, which sparked controversy when it was awarded last year, was to have £10,000 worth of surgery in India.

    But Jai says she has returned the prize

    In a jar of formaldehyde.

  5. “She plans to hike 30 miles in high heels to highlight the issues faced by those awaiting gender transition.”

    Comedy gold. There’s a film in this somewhere.

  6. Hyeah.. because real women don’t ever wear male boxers… especially when you can nick them from the boyfriend, just like shirts and sweaters..

    So which part wouldn’t be “feminine” enough?

  7. Steve Coogan playing Pauline Calf playing her.

    Lovely stuff.

    Or Barbara, the taxi driver from League of Gentlemen.

    Grikath – I think they might just be jealous that “she” looks a lot more convincing than the majority of Transylvanians.

  8. Male to female transpersons should be given a simple test for eligibility in such competitions.

    A judge knees them in the crotch right at the start. Those who crumple in agony are inelgible

  9. Anyway, the current score is that beauty contests are evil because they objectify women, but beauty contests aren’t evil as they don’t objectify transgendered people.

    Believing all this shit is quite mentally challenging, isn’t it?

  10. “Rob, to be fair, most of the core feminists are anti-trans.”

    To be fair, most core feminists are anti-fucking everything… (except whining)

  11. Breaking News: Blurred gender lines lead to confusion

    There is no real story here but you have to read. If you don’t hear our sad, sad story we will tell it again at every opportunity.

    Comments

    Liberal Yank Says: I wasn’t allowed to enter. My assumption that I would be welcomed was denied because I’m not trans enough. Shouldn’t the fact that I want breasts to play with be enough even though I don’t have the courage to go through the surgery?

    Seriously what did they expect when you fiddle with what one was born* with?

    *I almost said what Dog gave you but Dog only speaks to me and you aren’t worthy of Dog’s acknowledgement. Time to lie awake pondering shim’s existence despite shim’s insistence that I believe. Curse this gender neutral insomniac dyslexic agnostic existence.

    **Please read this assuming I was not able to express enough irony and sarcasm as I wanted to. If anyone wants to know about my conversations with actual trans people I would be happy to discuss sheir thoughts as expressed to me.

  12. Philip Scott Thomas

    Steve –

    To be fair, he looks like a typical girl from Newcastle.

    As a resident of Newcastle I find your comment grossly offensive. I am offended that I didn’t think of it first.

    Well played.

  13. I had the luck of picking up a side job hauling stuff for a “BDSM” event held at a local “gay” bar. I heard the term during that time so I can’t take credit for it. Although I would never have gone voluntary I ended up meeting some interesting people. Luckily I escaped the events with my back-door virginity still intact.

  14. “The documentary showed her living as a gay male in her boxer shorts.”

    Pronoun trouble making my head hurt. He/she has been judged to not be trans enough, so does that make her/him gay/male/female/straight/lesbian or do we need a new category?

    The traditional queers are going to rue the day they included the trans and intersex in their rainbow coalition.

  15. Shouldn’t there be a Mr Transgender too? Sexist, traditional arseholes excluding men, I mean former women, I mean drag kings… don’t what I mean now.

    But if they get caught wearing women’s panties, we’ll be right on them.

  16. Ltw, maybe we can have himish and herish for those poor souls still flouncing around the Ministry of Gender Classification’s appeals process.
    Or mayhim / mayher…

  17. Matthew – So “transmen” are bullshit. Competing in a beauty pageant is less masculine than letting your wife have the remote control.

    At least the autogynophiliacs are serious about LARPing as ladies.

    Philip – 🙂

    It’s a lovely town, but I dunno why so many of the local girls choose to sport an oompa loompaesque complexion.

  18. BraveFart – Ha!

    And it’s not pronounced “Newcastle”, it’s “New-cAAHstle?”

    Can’t do the accent though.

  19. Similar vein the adopted child of First Nations parents was barred from taking place in First Nations sports contest recently, despite having official status as a First Nations member. Real life doesn’t have nice clean lines just blurry squiggly edges.

  20. So Much For Subtlety

    Rob – “Believing all this shit is quite mentally challenging, isn’t it?”

    It is surprisingly easy actually. Just remember 1. you are always wrong and 2. shut up!

    Feminism in two easy steps.

  21. Bloke in Costa Rica

    These people are just so fucking trivial and vapid. I like a bit of nonsense but I object when instead of being its treated with an appropriate reaction (be it derision, bafflement, indifference or whatever) we are expected to at least nod in po-faced approbation and preferably enthusiastically cheer. Listen up, trans-whatevers: as a libertarian I really don’t mind your antics as long as—and this is the crucial part—I am not forced to participate in your hallucinations.

  22. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in Costa Rica – “Listen up, trans-whatevers: as a libertarian I really don’t mind your antics as long as—and this is the crucial part—I am not forced to participate in your hallucinations.”

    But that is the problem. Like other Social Justice Warriors they will make you. That is the point. They do not want liberation. They want liberation and to track you down if you disagree with them in any way so they can destroy your life.

    You must be made to care.

  23. “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a tranny in stilettos stamping on a womans face — forever.” – Georgina Orwell.

  24. “Listen up, trans-whatevers: as a libertarian I really don’t mind your antics as long as—and this is the crucial part—I am not forced to participate in your hallucinations.”

    Depends what you mean by “participate”. If a trans walks into the toilets with you, minding their own business, are you “participating” in their hallucination that sharing toilet-space with them is socially acceptable?

    “But that is the problem. Like other Social Justice Warriors they will make you.”

    How many times do we have to point it out? Trans people are mostly not SJWs, any more than hetero people are. (In fact, I’d say the vast majority of SJWs are hetero – should we therefore blanket-hate all heteros on that basis?)

    The SJWs pick sympathy-inspiring minority groups that they can depend on conservatives to kick up about, start a campaign to “defend” them, and use the resulting fuss to paint conservatives as unregenerate bigots akin to white supremacists. And you fall for it every single time.

    Trans are not SJWs, any more than blacks, gays, women, or poor people are. 99% of them are too scared of people like you to admit it, and the ones that do come out mostly just want to be left alone to get on with it, same as anyone else. But they’re as blind to SJW tactics and the implications of them as anyone else, too. They’ll take the help of SJWs because they’re the only ones offering it.

    But I will admit, I did find the suggestion that we “knees them in the crotch right at the start” as a gender test to be amusing. I think we ought to introduce the rule generally. Anyone presenting themselves as a man should be tested. First date with a new girl? She gets to knee you in the crotch, and if you don’t double up in agony she gets to reject you as a possible hallucination. Walking into the gents? The concierge on the door knees you to make sure no secret ladies sneak in. Someone walking down the street that you’re a bit suspicious of? Go across and knee them, and see. Brilliant!

    There are plenty of people who would vote for that sort of world. http://dilbert.com/strip/1992-12-11

  25. NiV – I dunno, but transformers do seem to be hugely overrepresented in the ranks of extremely vocal SJW’s.

    I feel sorry for them, but true compassion for mental illness doesn’t involve encouraging the mental illness.

    I do, however, agree with your cockpunching policy. There isn’t enough punching in our soft, effeminate society. If I was God-Emperor I would legalise duelling and also fist-fighting with lions.

  26. So Much For Subtlety

    NiV – “How many times do we have to point it out? Trans people are mostly not SJWs, any more than hetero people are. (In fact, I’d say the vast majority of SJWs are hetero – should we therefore blanket-hate all heteros on that basis?)”

    Well if it was true, you would not need to point it out at all. But it isn’t. It may be true that some Trans people are not SJWs, but the ones that are, really care and are happy to make everyone else’s lives miserable. Hence the problem.

    “And you fall for it every single time.”

    Well no. “Fall for it” is not the right claim.

  27. Bloke in Costa Rica

    NiV: I am being forced to profess a faith I do not believe or face unspecified social opprobrium. It’s the Left’s equivalent of the jizya. I will not do so. Bruce Jenner is not a woman. He is a man suffering from a mental aberration. All the caterwauling won’t change that.

  28. “I dunno, but transformers do seem to be hugely overrepresented in the ranks of extremely vocal SJW’s.”

    Possibly now. Five years ago it wasn’t even on the radar.

    Like I said, it’s just the latest campaign.

    Although I’m curious about that “over-represented” – did you do a survey?

    ” It may be true that some Trans people are not SJWs, but the ones that are, really care and are happy to make everyone else’s lives miserable. Hence the problem.”

    Yup. But is that because they’re trans, or because they’re SJWs?

    Black rights is a big issue among SJWs, too. There may be some black people somewhere who are not SJWs, but the ones that are are very loud, and willing to make everyone’s lives miserable. Hence it’s OK to hate blacks…?

    “I am being forced to profess a faith I do not believe or face unspecified social opprobrium. It’s the Left’s equivalent of the jizya.”

    Yes, that’s exactly how the trans people feel about the way society has treated them up to now. So now do you understand? If you heap social opprobrium on trans, then you legitimise it being heaped on you.

    The inconsistency in all forms of authoritarian thinking is that everyone thinks it’s fine when other people are being forced to live the way they think they should, but they all hate it when they’re the ones being forced. As they inevitably will be, as social fashions change.

    “Bruce Jenner is not a woman. He is a man suffering from a mental aberration.”

    Depends which way round you look at it – and whether you define “you” as the body or the mind. A lot of people think of themselves as a mind living in a body. If you could have the mind without the body, it would still be “them”, while if you had the body with no mind, they’d be gone. From this point of view, you’re identity is defined by what your mind is, and if the body doesn’t match it, the body is the aberration.

    But it’s a philosophical point on which people can legitimately differ. The real question is, though, are you the sort of person who would willingly make somebody else’s life miserable, driving them to suicide, over such a philosophical point?

    99% of trans people just want to be able to live their lives without getting beaten up, harassed, thrown out of places, losing their jobs and their friends, chased down the street by mobs, etc. by old-school authoritarians for not conforming to the roles other people believe in.

    So now, some new authoritarians have come along and defined “transphobia” as the “mental aberration”, and subjected them to social opprobrium if they express it. From an objective point of view, what’s the difference?

  29. Only recently I was chatting to a doctor about how people can now demand gender reassignment surgery on the NHS and he said, “I get lots of people in my surgery with a Napoleon complex. But I don’t buy them a pointy hat and a French army uniform.”
    J Clarkson

  30. “I get lots of people in my surgery with a Napoleon complex. But I don’t buy them a pointy hat and a French army uniform.”

    Why not, if it’s the cheapest way to stop them committing suicide?

    So long as they don’t then embark on a campaign to invade the rest of Europe, it’s not doing anyone else any harm. You could think of it as a lifestyle choice.

    Anyway, the same thing has happened to other groups like right wingers. I hear some of them didn’t think it was a mental illness, either.

    Who decides?

  31. NiV – Although I’m curious about that “over-represented” – did you do a survey?

    What am I, Les Dennis?

    But yeah. It’s astonishing, when GamerGate blew up last year, how many antis turned out to also be transies. For 0.00whatever % of the population, that’s pretty special.

    Why not, if it’s the cheapest way to stop them committing suicide?

    From what I’ve read, post-penis-removal transexuals are at a significantly higher risk of killing themselves.

    Strange that painful surgical mutilation and extra strong doses of toxic hormones don’t make people happy and well-adjusted.

    I say give crazy pills a shot. It works quite well for a lot of people.

  32. “But yeah. It’s astonishing, when GamerGate blew up last year, how many antis turned out to also be transies. For 0.00whatever % of the population, that’s pretty special.”

    How many?

    “From what I’ve read, post-penis-removal transexuals are at a significantly higher risk of killing themselves.”

    I’ve seen people citing statistics in both directions – I don’t know. I find it somewhat counter-intuitive that it would, or that the medical profession would continue to offer the treatment if it was so, but I’d want to see a proper in-depth study identifying the actual cause – rather than the usual baseless speculation – before deciding.

    But I’d guess that the people with dysphoria serious enough to consider surgery (or to be offered it) are also the ones most likely to kill themselves anyway. It’s a bit like pointing out that most people die in hospital, and deducing therefore that hospitals are dangerous and best avoided.

    The trans people I know who have had surgery were all very happy with it, which seems a bit odd if what you say is true, but that’s a very small and unrepresentative sample, so I can’t say.

  33. “Underwear is very important to transgender females – one of the first thing people do is change their underwear as it makes us feel like we are finally a woman.”

    Think about that one for a second. For me it serves as a very concise expression of mental illness.

  34. “Think about that one for a second. For me it serves as a very concise expression of mental illness.”

    Does it? Why?

    It’s not actually a true statement, but I don’t think it counts as mental illness. Just a personal opinion.

  35. NiV –

    How many?

    Gosh. Offhand, I can remember the names Sarah Butts, Brianna Wu, Alexandra Erin, Laura Dale, and Samantha Allan. But there were others. A whole monstrous faux-female regiment of them. Especially on Gamerghazi.

    You shoulda been there, man. It was crazy.

    I find it somewhat counter-intuitive that it would, or that the medical profession would continue to offer the treatment if it was so

    Rilly? The folks who once though transorbital lobotomies were a neat idea?

    I’d guess that the people with dysphoria serious enough to consider surgery (or to be offered it) are also the ones most likely to kill themselves anyway

    I don’t know, but I reckon gender dysphoria is quite likely usually a symptom of other mental issues rather than a thing that manifests all by itself.

    Because most transchaps seem to have a whole Irish stew of personality problems. Autism/Aspergers seem to frequently correlate.

    Happy pills are pretty good these days, so it would be good if doctors tried those out before more extreme measures – especially when young people are involved.

    It is absolutely criminal that we, as a society, now allow doctors to hand out hormones to little kids just because they’re gender confused. Somebody needs to be hanged for that.

  36. “Gosh. Offhand, I can remember the names Sarah Butts, Brianna Wu, Alexandra Erin, Laura Dale, and Samantha Allan. But there were others.”

    Hmm. I’m pretty sure Brianna isn’t, but supposing we allow that one – that’s five out of … what, thirty to forty thousand post-op transexuals in the USA? Doesn’t seem that surprising to me.

    “I don’t know, but I reckon gender dysphoria is quite likely usually a symptom of other mental issues rather than a thing that manifests all by itself.”

    Not in my experience, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

    “Happy pills are pretty good these days, so it would be good if doctors tried those out before more extreme measures – especially when young people are involved.”

    I’ve known a few people who have been on the happy pills, too, and I think this is a Really Bad Idea. They work, for a while, but they’re horribly addictive, and you have to keep increasing the dose to get the same effect.

    “It is absolutely criminal that we, as a society, now allow doctors to hand out hormones to little kids just because they’re gender confused. Somebody needs to be hanged for that.”

    Some people think it’s better than the little kids hanging themselves, because some other people feel uncomfortable with the idea of people changing gender, or being confused about it.

    But the main issue I have with this idea is the one J S Mill explained:

    “The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinions of others, to do so would be wise, or even right. These are good reasons for remonstrating with him, or reasoning with him, or persuading him, or entreating him, but not for compelling him, or visiting him with any evil in case he do otherwise. To justify that, the conduct from which it is desired to deter him, must be calculated to produce evil to some one else. The only part of the conduct of any one, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.

    Some would say it is one of the core principles of Libertarianism. What are we call people who don’t hold to it?

  37. NiV – You’re “pretty sure” Brianna Wu isn’t a tranny?

    LOOOL.

    Really Bad Idea. They work, for a while, but they’re horribly addictive, and you have to keep increasing the dose to get the same effect.

    Maybe with older generations of drugs (especially sedatives), but contra the horror stories about newer SSRI’s, they’re very effective. Doctors hand them out like sweeties because they’re non-addictive, which is probably a bad idea. But for moderate to serious clinical depression and given the right dosage, they’re magic.

    There are side effects. Sometimes I feel a spot of homicidal ideation coming on when I forget to take mine, but as long as I avoid the Post Office and automated supermarket checkouts, everybody’s fine.

    And they’re much safer and more easily reversible as a first attempt at fixing people than blasting their brain with hormones or chopping their knob off.

    Some people think it’s better than the little kids hanging themselves

    Those people should be hanged too. I’m tired of the lack of hanging in this country. Especially those lazy fuckers at the Post Office.

    John Stuart Mill, had he lived to see these degenerate times, would probably release a new book called “KILL IT WITH FIRE!”

  38. “Maybe with older generations of drugs (especially sedatives), but contra the horror stories about newer SSRI’s, they’re very effective.”

    SSRIs aren’t the “happy pills”. That’s the stuff like Prozac. They’re sometimes prescribed for depression/anxiety, but only short term.

    And I can guarantee you that SSRIs don’t work on dysphoria.

    “Those people should be hanged too. I’m tired of the lack of hanging in this country. Especially those lazy fuckers at the Post Office.”

    🙂

    “John Stuart Mill, had he lived to see these degenerate times, would probably release a new book called “KILL IT WITH FIRE!””

    Take off and nuke it from orbit? Fire’s kinda old fashioned.

  39. “That’s the stuff like Prozac”

    Sorry – wrong one. I was thinking of Valium, and relatives. Prozac is the SSRI.

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