You’re weird Dave, just weird

Britain must stay in the European Union to help “confront the evil” of Isil and stand up to countries like North Korea and Russia, David Cameron has said.

The international defence organisation we belong to is called “Nato” Dave, not the European Union.

26 thoughts on “You’re weird Dave, just weird”

  1. NATO has hardly distinguished itself of late either. It’s turning into another EU: plenty of bureaucracy, not much willingness to actually do stuff. Seems to be the fate of all large organisations really. At least in the private sector they eventually either go bust, get taken over, or throw out the management team.

  2. Phig-Fook is rapidly turning into an evil “I-speak-your-weight” machine.

    “You weigh 14 stone and 6 pounds. You are overweight and can only slim down if the UK remains in the EU”

  3. He is coming across as having a mental defect or just plain unhinged. I admit to being taken aback at the Calais camp nonsense. It was just a downright lie, he had to know it was, the rest of Parliament and civil service know it was, and a large section of voting population did too.
    I don’t know for who’s benefit he is broadcasting this nonsense, unless its to keep our eyes off Osborne destroying what’s left of private pensions.
    (Ian B, I’ve not forgiven you for ‘tit for tat’ yet 🙂 )

  4. One weird idea.
    Suppose DC really wants Britain out of the EU, but really doesn’t want that opinion known.
    He might then argue for in, but produce a transparently empty set of new terms, and offer pathetically weak arguments for remaining.

  5. Oh yes, the EU standing up to Russia. Which I suppose it finally did when leant on enough by the Yanks to impose sanctions over Crimea. But not enough to stop a German chancellor signing off on Gazprom-owned Nord Stream weeks before leaving office and taking up a senior post in the same company. Not to mention France and Germany’s on-off arselicking of Russia because their companies are desperate to retain access to the place. Ask the Lithuanians what they think about EU safeguards regarding Russian expansion.

  6. Project Fear is now in overdrive. David Aaronovitch had a column in The Times yesterday, predicting all kinds of dire outcomes following Brexit. It elicited this response from a “lordlondon”, which I quote in full:

    I absolutely, totally, 1,000,000% agree that Brexit would cause a disaster, as well as many – several! – catastrophes!

    Brexit would cause the Moon to come down to Earth. It would land on top of Europe, squashing everything flat as a pancake. Britain would sink under the waves also, without a single trace.

    Only the politicians would survive, plus four times their numbers of beautiful women. The politicians would be able to get all the money out of the banks, to spend on the beautiful women. Talk about French withdrawal! The Moon landing on top of Europe and Britain would be far more painful!

    All you Brexiters, Ukipers, Little Englanders and Leavers better form a long line outside of Number 10 to kiss Dave’s ring and tell him that you are sorry for ever having your impure thoughts! Kiss David Aaronovich too, on all cheeks, while you are at it He deserves it for warning us, with the above article, of impending doom and disaster!

    You have been warned!

  7. So Much For Subtlety

    Chris Miller – “All you Brexiters, Ukipers, Little Englanders and Leavers better form a long line outside of Number 10 to kiss Dave’s ring

    Is it deleted already?

    “Dave”‘s thinking is so absurd for someone who shows signs of being moderately intelligent – a solid C student anyway – that he must have some other reason for supporting Europe. He just doesn’t want to share it with us.

    I wonder what it is.

  8. Pat,
    I think this is a case of “never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by window licking imbecility.”

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    Camila Batmanghelidjh, the flamboyant founder of the collapsed Kids Company charity, had denied she ‘mesmerised’ the Prime Minister to win millions of pounds in government grants.

    Yeah. Either “Dave” is an idiot. Or he was blinded by her sheer sexual allure. Or both.

    But you know, a Middle Easterner running a dubious charity that ended up misusing funds. This is my shocked, just shocked, face – > (.) (.)

  10. It’s about one of the most important human emotions, group sentiment. Once a person becomes loyal to something, they will continue defending it in the face of any degree of rational argument against. Dave sees himself as one of the Euro Elite, and cannot imagine not being part of that. And thus he cannot really understand why anyone else would want to leave.

  11. SMFS

    he must have some other reason for supporting Europe. He just doesn’t want to share it with us. I wonder what it is.

    It is the so-called geo-political argument, which is presented in terms of security and partnership. Essentially – though our rulers are wary of spelling this out — it boils down to the Foreign Office fear of the UK being outside a German-dominated superstate with French nuclear weapons. England/the UK has been concerned to keep a balance of power in Europe for at least the last 500 years, and apparently this now involves being part of the EU. Meanwhile, the US does not like the idea of a Franco-German superstate without any British influence, going soft on Russia, so the US exerts pressure on the UK government to stay in the EU.

    I think it is a pretty feeble argument myself, because of NATO and because bilateral defence arrangements could be made by the UK with the EU. Nevertheless, I am convinced this is the reason for being and staying in the corrupt and inefficient club that is the EU. After all, what other advantages are there?

  12. The EU is like Climate Change, there is no calamity that cannot be attributed to it.

    Except the EU is the saviour; Climate Change is the harbinger.

    I expect there is a handy script template for politicians where one can be substituted for the other, and ‘prevent’ inserted instead of ’cause’.

    EU/Climate Change will prevent/cause bee extinction, coastal erosion, acne, epidemics, war, bad breath, warts, etc.

    Ironically that great migration from poor Countries to Europe which Climate Change was going to cause actully got caused by the EU… whoops! Follow the script do!

  13. BatManJelly was arguing on the radio earlier (caught the repeat today).
    Jenni: But you failed to budget properly.
    Jelly: No, we kept to our budget, we just didn’t raise enough money to fund that budget.

    How on earth can somebody think that the way to run your finances is to splurge out on everything you want to do then rush around trying to get your income to match it, instead of seeing what your income will pay for and then get your *outgoings* to fit.

  14. I read that Aaronovitch column in the Times, and it left me absolutely aghast. His argument was all about how we needed to remain in the EU not for our own good, but for the benefit and preservation of the EU. Lest other nations see us leaving and decide to get the hell out too, before ze Germans destroy our escape tunnel….

  15. jgh

    Jelly: No, we kept to our budget, we just didn’t raise enough money to fund that budget.

    Unbelievable! She wasn’t fit to run a tuck shop…

  16. I can’t see what you’re all complaining about, with the Bat-woman. She’s using exactly the same economic principles as our own dear Chancellor of the Exchequer.
    Are you telling me Gideon’s got it wrong, or something?

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    Ian B – “As to BatmanTurnerOverdrive, she simply offered him an apparently easy means of virtue signalling.”

    A three-fer too. If you got a photo-op with her, you got a photo-op with someone who worked with street urchins and was 1. female, 2. non-White, 3. a Muslim. I am surprised “Dave” didn’t make her an MP.

    Theophrastus – “it boils down to the Foreign Office fear of the UK being outside a German-dominated superstate with French nuclear weapons.”

    It is better than the UK being inside a German-dominated superstate.

    “Meanwhile, the US does not like the idea of a Franco-German superstate without any British influence, going soft on Russia, so the US exerts pressure on the UK government to stay in the EU.”

    I am not sure the Germans are likely to go soft on the Russians. The European Balance of Power was utterly destroyed, first, by the Americans in WW1 and then second by the Soviets in WW2. It cannot be put back together. The Twentieth Century was a long struggle to prevent Germany rising to the position its numbers and economic strength entitled it to. We need to stop fighting the reality. Germany is going to dominate Europe unless the Americans or the Russians do. The Americans don’t seem a viable option for too much longer and the Russians are just unspeakable.

    So I for one welcome our New/Old German Overlords. They should have won World War One and everyone would have been better off.

    PF – “Unbelievable! She wasn’t fit to run a tuck shop…”

    Well, I really don’t want to be fat-ist or size-ist or whatever the neologism is, but in fairness in the state she is in, she would not be running a tuck shop for long

  18. It struck me that her financial model did have a certain public-sectory-ness about it. What do we want to spend money on? Now, where do we get that money from?

  19. Bloke in Costa Rica

    “She wasn’t fit to run a tuck shop…”

    Yeah. If you’ve ever seen what happens if a ferret gets inside a chicken coop you’d have some idea of the carnage among the Mars Bars that would ensue.

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