Depends what you mean by harassment

Nearly nine in 10 young women have been sexually harassed in public, with only 11% saying someone intervened when they experienced unwanted sexual touching, a report has found.

Fun the construction of that, isn’t it? Sexual harassment here is anything and everything from a wolf whistle on upwards. Unwanted sexual touching is something else a bit of course. but the 11% intervention rate only applies to that second, not to the first. But that’s not quite how most will read it is it?

And thus the construction.

35 thoughts on “Depends what you mean by harassment”

  1. Put yourself in their heels, Ian.

    It would be terrible if random women complimented my appearance and were always up for sexytimes with me.

    I’d hate that.

  2. “almost half are doing conscious “safety planning” if they go out in the evenings, such as avoiding public transport and paying for taxis, leaving early and taking a different route.”

    What the fuck? Do they think they are MI6 agents?

    But that is what hysteria campaigns deliberately set out to do – create hysteria.

  3. Rob,

    And the other half are just plain stupid, only a fool would venture out without doing some safety planning.

  4. Only half? Like what happened to, “I’m not walking through the town centre after the pubs shut”? Like what everyone does?

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    Only half? Presumably the other half are looking for some embarrassment?

    Seriously though, I always safety plan when I go out in the evening. If I walk to my local, 100yds away, I conclude very little risk and do nothing except carry a torch when its really dark as we don’t have street lighting. If I’m walking down, say, Oxford Street on a busy shopping night I pt my phone and wallet where they can’t easily be stolen and I avoid certain areas like the plague.

  6. All (most) men have probably been wolf whistled and arse pinched by women – it certainly happened to me in my twenties and thirties and I still get women flirting with me. My daughters’ teenage mates say things to me that if a man said them to them would be highly inappropriate. One rule for them, another for us.

    However, it was ever thus and the reason is fairly obvious. I like flirtatious birds because they boost my ego and ultimately offer no threat. I’m over 6ft tall and I weigh over 17st and started doing martial arts at ten. I doubt there’s a woman alive who could pose a physical threat to me without using some sort of weapon. It’s different for women, who have to second-guess intention and how things will develop and so on.

    However 2.0, we used to call this common sense. It was something we all knew, an immutable fact of male and female life and not something women whined about. They just formed bonds with men who would protect them, and called them families, and men treated women with care and attention and respect (I still do, maybe I’m weird).

    It’s the feminists’ whining about facts and their attempt to subvert the most basic human nature by mere words and slogans that pisses me off.

  7. Any decent-looking man will have been felt up by a random woman in public at some stage in his life. Even I have been a few times in my younger days.

  8. Within the last six months:
    Daughter two groped while jogging along canal on her way to work at 7h30 am. Got away when bloke tripped.
    Daughter two followed by creep around supermarket who kept up pornographically explicit discourse about what he was going to do to her. Security spotted him and summoned the police before she reached the till. He was known to them, a repeat offender, illegal immigrant, no charges brought because he hadn’t “done” anything.
    Daughter one found herself trapped on her way home from uni by only other man on the bus, about 10pm who then tried to grab her boobs through her buttoned jacket and tshirt; had to climb over seats to escape(fortunately was wearing jeans and trainers); bus driver ignored ringing bell and kerfuffle until stop was reached when she fled.
    Daughter one again dressed for frosty night walked home at 11pm along bus route on well-lit main road, grabbed from behind by man who emerged from side street; escaped after much kicking and yelling. Fortunately she is five ft six and a climber although not as strong as ninety five per cent of ordinary blokes. Also fortunate, he carried no knife. He has attacked at least three others who have come forward, case in May if he pitches.
    Their friends report similar too close encounters. These incidents are not catcalling or clumsy pick up attempts but a serious threat to young women wishing to live independent lives.

  9. Rob:“What the fuck? Do they think they are MI6 agents?”

    Strange it doesn’t list the most common precaution real women actually do take, i.e. ‘avoid diverse and vibrant areas’.

    I wonder why?

  10. I remember BT issuing rape alarms to all female employees that worked in the Waterloo area of London back in the 1980s. If the IRA didn’t get you, odds on a pervert would. Worth recalling given the current brouhaha over wolf whistles. A particularly attractive girl in her twenties was interviewed on the box this morning. “I work at a football club, and every match day I get at least one comment.” Not exactly a big hurdle to jump, I thought. But then I read Ljh’s comment and am obliged to concede the argument.

  11. Ljh: “Security spotted him and summoned the police before she reached the till. He was known to them, a repeat offender, illegal immigrant, no charges brought because he hadn’t “done” anything.”

    Just when I think I can’t despise our politically-correct police farce any more, this comes along…

  12. Don’t worry Julia.

    HM Constabulary are still the best in the world at arresting people who say rude things on Twitter.

  13. Surreptitious Evil

    We certainly had at least one hotel on the London list that we wouldn’t allow a woman on her own to be booked in to. It was okay (albeit rather ugly) if we were going mob handed.

  14. @Rob

    ” “almost half are doing conscious “safety planning” if they go out in the evenings, such as avoiding public transport and paying for taxis, leaving early and taking a different route.” ”

    If I said I did that to avoid minority rich areas, I’d be called a racist.

  15. @ljh

    As a dad of teenage daughters, I could tell similar (though less frightening) stories. Like I say, it’s different for girls because the threat is more serious.

    My issue – as above – is with the loony fems who don’t want help or assistance in anything from men, and who (let’s face it) have conspired with cockless lefty yes men like Ironman to allow the country to be flooded with men from other cultures who don’t view women with the same respect as your trad Englishman has *tended* to do.

    Sorry if it’s racist to say this, Ironman, but suck my Rotherham.

    If trad Englishmen are brought up to believe that they’re the problem, and women don’t want or need their help in anything, and indeed that it is offensive to offer such help, then it’s not a massive surprise when they look the other way when they should not do so.

    Doesn’t make it right, I most certainly would not do so, but it’s understandable.

    My girls are taught (as yours may be) to appreciate a man who opens doors or carries a suitcase for them, and not to get all shitty at non-sleazy compliments, and even to laugh off the odd wolf whistle*, because these are the other side of the coin marked ‘expecting men to come to your aid if another man gets physical’.

  16. Bloke in Costa Rica

    If the police do not perform their primary (indeed overriding) function then it is not only understandable if, but necessary that, people ‘take the law into their own hands’. A good start would be to find the vibrant that followed Ljh’s daughter round the supermarket and beat him halfway to death. Then if he does it again you can beat him the other half. Same goes for swimming pool rapists in Sweden, Cologne gropers, Rotherham predators, etc..

  17. A good start would be to find the vibrant that followed Ljh’s daughter round the supermarket and beat him halfway to death.

    That’s what a load of Russians did in some northern city when some illegals molested some Russian women. Idiots probably thought they were in Germany. Big mistake.

  18. …beat him halfway to death. That happens in LatAm, BiCR, but the trouble is it cannot happen in Europe.

  19. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Truth to tell it doesn’t happen much here, either. But that’s because it doesn’t have to: if some illegal immigrant from the more primitive backwaters of the planet got picked up by the rozzers after groping a woman, his feet wouldn’t touch the ground. Off to chokey; deported; fuck off sunshine and don’t come back. Bingo.

  20. “If the police do not perform their primary (indeed overriding) function then it is not only understandable if, but necessary that, people ‘take the law into their own hands’.”

    Vigilante justice is bad, but it’s better than no justice at all.

  21. Vigilante justice is the natural state of man. It is fine so long as it is just, and I tend to think that it’s the state which distorts things and makes it less likely to be just (via the usual perverse incentives and distortions etc).

  22. @ Interested
    If you’re over 6ft tall your experience in your twenties may not be utterly typical of the average-size guy. On the very few occasions I was wolf-whistled I assumed they were joking.
    @ Ljh
    You, and more particularly your daughters, deserve my sympathy. As a not-quite-dinosaur I struggle to understand how that sort of behaviour can go unchecked.
    50 years ago, the Bologna incident would have happened ‘cos it’s Italy (but English girls probably would not have gone to Italy unaccompanied), the yelling in N1 would have summoned a decent guy to stop it, incident 1 wouldn’t have happened because girls didn’t jog around canals at 7.30 – only extreme keenies, who didn’t go in for groping while they were training, went for a run before breakfast; there weren’t illegal immigrants but incident 2 would have resulted in an appeal to the nearest respectable adult who would have given the culprit a thorough “ticking-off”, possibly accompanied by throwing him out of the store. We near-dinosaurs think that some things have got worse.

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