JEREMY CORBYN’S economics general ordered Dan Jarvis back to barracks yesterday after the paratrooper-turned-MP made a pre-emptive strike for the Labour leadership.

Front page of the Morning Star. About the right place for him, doncha think?

But Mr Murphy argued tht Mr Jarvis’s experience in the army did not necessarily mean he had political leadership skills.

He said: “When you’re on the front line your job is to accept the status quo — what you are told …the meaning of which will all too often not be explained to you.
“But that is the army and Mr Jarvis is now a politician.

“These [comments] don’t sound like the basis for a sound political strategy in a democracy. Nor do they suggest that Mr Jarvis has a plan.

“They just say that he’s willing to stand before the troops thinking he’s the man to follow and because he’s got the right pips on his shoulder.”

Finally, Mr Murphy blasted: “The country is not like the army. I’m not sure Dan Jarvis has worked that out yet.”

This is from the man who penned The Courageous State. In which we’re all to shut up and do what we’re told.

Still, will aid that flagging campaign for a peerage, won’t it?

29 thoughts on “Guess who?”

  1. Why didn’t he contrast Corbyn’s leadership skills with Jarvis’s?
    Maybe it’s because Corbyn hasn’t got any

  2. “When you’re on the front line your job is to accept the status quo — what you are told …the meaning of which will all too often not be explained to you.”
    There speaks someone who’s ideas of the military are still in the Victorian era – somewhat like his economic theory.

  3. The arrogance and conceit, it burns!

    @KRL – indeed. 1860’s economic ideas and worldview, 1860’s view of the military.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    Ahhh, such love and understanding for the military. Must be a Trot throw back.

    The military requires, above all, honesty and willingness to face facts. Arab Armies – where officers lie to the higher ups so they do not get blamed – fail all too often. That is a positive character trait we do not see too often in politics. Although Ritchie is right. It is unlikely to lead to a successful political career.

  5. Just thinking this one through a bit more and looking carefully at the wording, is it not a dog whistle to indicate that Jarvis might be insufficiently left-wing, and hence Blairite scum?

  6. This is the same Ritchie who has written thay people don’t actually want choice. No, what they really want is “experts” ( guess whose description) take those decision for them.

  7. This is also the e Rotary Murphy who insists he is not a member of any political party. Strange then that this analysis is not about tax or economics; it’s out ‘n’ out politics.

  8. Bloke in North Dorset

    To be fair he is right in the sense that a successful career in any profession, job or even tax campaigning is not a guarantee of success in political career.

    His ignorance of the way the Army works comes as no surprise given his track record. If his character was given to a university Psychology department even the dimmest student would be able to diagnose the Dunning-Kruger effect and would be insulted that it was such a simple and obvious case.

  9. Leaving aside blatantly obvious fact General Murphy has never heard of Mission Command, the idea that the job of the front line is to maintain the status quo is a tad confusing: “The enemy has fortified that tactically important hill; I want you and your men to ensure the situation stays exactly as it is!’

  10. @TomJ

    “Mission Command”, another German invention where the English word for it sucks. “Auftragstaktik”. Something the Germans practiced with excellence in WW2, and everyone effectual adopted afterwards.

  11. Murphy’s analysis is that Corbyn is … the man to follow […]because he’s got the right chips on his shoulder

  12. Corbyn seems to represent one sort of officer who is usually described as:

    “His men will follow him anywhere he leads them. Unfortunately, this is simply out of curiosity.”

    SMFS – you think Arab army reporting is strange? I know of at least one country where the classification of the message depends on the rank of the sender. So an invitation to lunch from a General will be Secret (unless he’s a member of the ruling family, in which case it will be Top Secret), whereas the plans for an attack, crafted by a mere Captain, would be essentially unclassifiable (the Captain wouldn’t have the rights to attach any classification.)

    Having done Ops ARMILLA, GRANBY and TELIC, I have a whole range of “they’re nuts, aren’t they?” stories about our erstwhile allies.

  13. There’s an excellent essay from a former US liaison officer called “Why Arab Armies Fail”. Google is your friend.

    Basically, officers refuse to do *anything* for themselves, and power is exercised through choking off the supply of information (to the point of confiscating tank manuals from crews so that the only person who had that info was the officer).

    Having had a boss from that culture, I saw some of the things mentioned in the essay reflected in his management style.

  14. It’s just utter bollocks isn’t it.

    Another example of Murphy starting with his conclusion then just trotting out half-assed comments to back it up.

    Officers are expected to lead and show initiative, to delegate where necessary, to set an example.

    What’s most fucking annoying is that if Murphy were ever anywhere near the sort of situations Dan Jarvis has been involved in, he’d crap his pants and hide under a rock.

  15. Couldn’t wish for a better man. The intervention on the side of the baby-rapists and organ thieves in Kosovo (Kosovo je Srbija) is one of the grossest manifestations of anti-European-hate by the globalist powers. It’s Europe’s Waco massacre on a far grander scale.

    Are there any Conservative or UKIP MP’s with the balls to criticize the invasion of Serbia for Islam? It’s the kind of thing Jack Sen would have stood up against, but the fags who run the establishment parties can’t take his criticism.

    I look forward to Jarvis establishing a military dictatorship.

  16. “But Mr Murphy argued that Mr Jarvis’s experience in the army did not necessarily mean he had political leadership skills.”

    Not necessarily, no. It severely increases the chance of him actually having tried and tested leadership skills though. Which makes him all the more dangerous to white feathers like Murphy.

    It’s not surprising Murphy lays into this full force. He knows all about status quo, and what he stands to lose if Corbyn falls…

  17. The intervention on the side of the baby-rapists and organ thieves in Kosovo (Kosovo je Srbija) is one of the grossest manifestations of anti-European-hate by the globalist powers. It’s Europe’s Waco massacre on a far grander scale.

    Loverly. We seem to be attracting a better grade of whacko now.

    First we had intelligence without evolution, now we have the “poor misunderstood Milosevic” crowd.

  18. There’s an excellent essay from a former US liaison officer called “Why Arab Armies Fail”.

    Hence the quip made by an Israeli general when asked the secret to his military success:

    “Fighting Arabs”

  19. “They just say that he’s willing to stand before the troops thinking he’s the man to follow and because he’s got the right pips on his shoulder.”

    That sounds more like Corbyn than the vast majority of 0-4’s I’ve worked with.

  20. “They just say that he’s willing to stand before the troops thinking he’s the man to follow and because he’s got the right pips on his shoulder.”

    Just the sort of pig-ignorant comment you would expect from someone who has never served his country.

  21. The Meissen Bison

    Henry Crun: Just the sort of pig-ignorant comment you would expect from someone who has never served his country.

    But he would like to serve it in much the way that a bull serves a heifer.

  22. All very 1917 (when the life expectancy of a second lieutenant was two weeks – that of the NCOs and privates who followed was a lot higher). And Murphy’s relatives and their friends were launching a traitorous rebellion with the support of Germany.

  23. abacab: Agree absolutely on the mot juste for the concept. You know the history, I know the history and I’m damn sure Jarvis knows the history, as well as a lot of the theoretical study that has gone into leadership in a variety of different styles, as well as practical training and experience of the same. I am willing to bet General Murphy (on the Morning Star understanding that 5 generals = 1 professor) clearly doesn’t…

  24. Sheesh, it’s like something out of The Office, Corbyn, McDonnell, Murphy et al.

    “In a war situation, if you want your platoon to go over the top with you to certain death, it’s no good saying to them ‘Please come with me lads, I’ll tell you a joke.’ It’s a direct order ‘Come with me.’ And they’ll go ‘Yes, he’s got good leadership skills, let’s all go with him to our certain death’.”

  25. I know Paras are thick, but even Jarvis must be wondering what the fuck he has done getting into this rabble. He presumably thought he could get somewhere with mere dickheads like Miliband or Benn, but he has no metric for dealing with the lunatics now in charge.

    Not to say there are no lunatics in the Parachute Regiment, it’s positive rammed full of them, just that even in the new touchy feely British Army they can be dealt with.

    Re Jarvis leading men and this transferring into being a political leader… hmmm, no. Whatever you think about their propensity for gay sex, tall tales and killing unarmed Irishmen, paratroopers are highly motivated soldiers who love nothing more than fucking people up. They actually want to do it. They like fixing bayonets, they like shooting people, they like lobbing grenades and they like calling in air strikes. They belong to an organisation with a simple raison d’etre, that they have worked hard to get into precisely because they love the raison d’etre, with a massive sense of esprit de corps, led by blokes (like Jarvis) who also feel the esprit and know that raison, and who will provide the blokes with the chance to fuck people up. It doesn’t really need ‘leadership’, you just need to be able to point (when you’re not holding them back).

    How does this compare with managing the dreams and aspirations of the assorted bunch of unemployable quacks, mentalists, weirdos, LGBT obsessives, backstabbbers, black lives matterists, dole bludgers, deranged peers, egotists, has-beens, never-wases, fraudsters, idlers, social workers, leather elbow patch wearing ex-lecturers, liars and cunts that forms the PLP?

    Re Arabs individually they can be very brave – suicidally so. Their trouble is in esprit de corps and organisation. They haven’t left the tribalism and patronage behind, and if you promote people based purely on who their dad is (and no this doesn’t happen here) and he then does the same with his staff and they do the same with their underlings, and they’re all prey to basic human weaknesses like idleness and cowardice, then you haven’t gone through the darwinistic process required to build a fighting force, and you don’t have blokes willing to follow their officers because why the hell should they, and you have one fucked up ‘Army’. Throw man love Friday into the mix, and it’s a bit of a mess.

  26. “But Mr Murphy argued that Mr Jarvis’s experience in the army did not necessarily mean he had political leadership skills.”

    Interestingly, he believes Corbyn’s decades as a student union leader masterbating on the backbenches makes him an excellent leader, even potential Prime Minister.

  27. Interested

    The penultimate paragraph of your post is sheer genius – do you mind if I plagiarise it?

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