Oddly, I’d run this the other way around

Go ahead and call Caitlyn Jenner a delusional GOP shill — but don’t say she’s not a woman.

There’s a certain delusion to the insistence that the father of 6 children is a woman while being Republican might not be quite stylish but it’s not in fact delusory.

26 thoughts on “Oddly, I’d run this the other way around”

  1. Just goes to show how powerful the radical feminist idea of “Patriarchy” is when men are so powerful that they can even conspire to win Glamour Magazine’s Woman of the Year Award.

    Still, I take the point that if you’ve got 6-kids, XY chromosomes and your meat-and-two-veg then you are probably a bloke, even if he does like to wear a chiffon gown of an evening.

  2. The Western World is now rational only in those areas where irrationality kills large numbers of people, e.g. Aircraft design. I politics and culture irrationality is the norm, with actual insanity in some areas.

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    Ian B – “We’re back with that thing of insisting that facts should conform to values, are we not?”

    No. Supporting the Republicans does have something to do with facts but not everything. However Bruce Jenner has an X and a Y chromosome. He also has a penis. There is no rational scientific reason to claim he is anything but a man. There is no evidence that he is anything other than a man. No test would produce the slightest reason to think he is anything else but a man.

    There are no values to the contrary.

  4. How long could our species survive if this direction of travel continues its present course?

    To play devil’s advocate for a moment here – in a perverse sort of way, is the increasing prevalence of bizarre bvllshit like this not at least some logic for nutters to be joining the likes of ISIS?

  5. The article is pretty funny though.

    So Jenner is a transgenderer (yuge SJW victim points) but also supports evil garden gnome lookalike Ted Cruz, who is a Republican (minus 2000 points for Hufflepuff!) and – worse! – said something positive about DONALD TRUMP, who is, like, soooo problematic and LITERALLY HITLER and OMG I CAN’T EVEN.

    Doesn’t matter if you’re black, have a vagina, are a bloke who loves cocks, wish you had a vagina, or whatever. As soon as you wander off the left wing political reservation, they’ll try to lynch you.

    Because “liberals”.

  6. “Salon is totally tonto. Makes CiF look like an outlet for cold calm reason.”

    It is indeed. CiF with padded walls.

  7. Doesn’t matter if you’re black, have a vagina, are a bloke who loves cocks, wish you had a vagina, or whatever. As soon as you wander off the left wing political reservation, they’ll try to lynch you.

    This. Politics is everything for these people, and anything else is irrelevant. The wimmin love the Clintons, with all their history of misogyny, but detested Dubya Bush who, despite all his faults, could be left in charge of your daughters of any age without concern.

  8. Last year’s season of South Park was pretty funny for its relentless mockery of nouveau-PC. In the first episode, Kyle gets in trouble with the headmaster for saying that Caitlyn Jenner isn’t a hero. Worth a watch if only to remind yourself you are not alone in thinking these things.

  9. Don’t get me started on PC. Not too long ago someone was complaining about the Redskins. I agreed patiently for several minutes until I could interject that we need to get rid of all stereotypical mascots including Vikings. Somehow because we are white it is ok to make a mockery out of our history. Not cool brah.

  10. The middle(upper) class left must be smashed,. That is the only kind of left left that poses a threat. And a formidable threat it is.They control education, politics and the media and command the costumed thugs (although what they can– so far– order the rozzers to do is still limited). They are engaged on a program of low-key cultural genocide which–should they consolidate their power– could easily turn very nasty indeed.

    The MC Marxists must be broken if our society and real human progress are to continue.

  11. Mr Ecks: “…(although what they can– so far– order the rozzers to do is still limited)..”

    Rather like the British Journalist, is it necessary for them to issue orders, given what they seem happy to do unbidden?

  12. “There’s a certain delusion to the insistence that the father of 6 children is a woman…”

    Two children. The rest are adopted. (i.e. only delusionally her children.)

    “…while being Republican might not be quite stylish but it’s not in fact delusory.”

    Can you describe a medical test that would determine whether someone was, in fact, ‘a Republican’? The possession of what particular bodily organs defines it?

    Some people would even say the Republicanism was all in her head, and therefore a delusion. (Does that make right-wingery a mental illness?) What is Republicanism, if not a self-defined mental state?

    Oh, how we hate those SJW Republicans…

  13. Bloke in Costa Rica

    “Two children”

    Wrong. Two (biological) from each of three marriages. The four elder Kardashians are step-children, but Bruce had six kids of his own. You could even say that that sort of flamboyant reproductive success is a particularly alpha male trait.

    I stress this was not information I knew off-hand; I had to look it up.

  14. @NIV It takes a special kind of person to make the ‘mistake’ that you did. No idea of the truth, but say it anyway.

  15. So Much For Subtlety

    NiV – “What is Republicanism, if not a self-defined mental state?”

    Membership of an actual party? If Bruce is a registered member of the Republican party I think that would make him, objectively, a Republican.

  16. Tim N – Yarp. Look at the stuff Thomas Sowell gets called by lefties because he’s a black conservative. It’d make a Klansman blush.

    BICR – You could even say that that sort of flamboyant reproductive success is a particularly alpha male trait.

    Jenner was (is?) definitely an alpha male. World class athlete. Self made celebrity multimillionaire. String of attractive wives and plenty of kids.

    There’s two main types of transsexual. The small, feminine gay guys who never felt adequate in a male role (could be due to too much estrogen in the womb) and the autogynepheliacs, who are often big rough tough blokes – firemen and army officers and the like.

    The latter type, which Jenner seems to be, get sexually excited at the thought of being a girl.

    Like all fetishes, and much like substance abuse, if indulged too often the thrills get stale and they start going to greater lengths to feed their desire. There’s been rumours about Jenner enjoying crossdressing for years. Obviously that stopped being enough for him so he started on the hormones and surgery.

    I feel sorry for him, it’s a lot like watching an alcoholic obliterate himself with booze.

  17. “You could even say that that sort of flamboyant reproductive success is a particularly alpha male trait.”

    Bruce himself said it was overcompensation.

    “I stress this was not information I knew off-hand; I had to look it up.”

    Me too. Thank you. You learn something new every day.

    “@NIV It takes a special kind of person to make the ‘mistake’ that you did.”

    Yeah. We’re called “humans”. Everyone’s fallible. But a lot of people think they’re not.

    I knew two of the current crop were his and four were adopted, and assumed it was the same six being talked about. C’est la vie.

    “Membership of an actual party?”

    No. I’m talking about the set of political preferences, as was Jenner. I’m not aware of whether he’s an actual party member. So far as I know he hasn’t said.

    “I feel sorry for him, it’s a lot like watching an alcoholic obliterate himself with booze.”

    It’s one of those “Harm Principle” things. People commonly disapprove of what other people do, see it as self-destructive, and think themselves justified to try to stop them. The problem is, the person themselves might not see it that way.

    A religious person sees a sinner condemning their own immortal soul to eternal hell fire through their activities, and if they’re a nice enough person feels sorry for them. The atheist they’re feeling sorry for in turn regards them as wasting their life on a delusion, and a bunch of stupid rules made up by men with beards thousands of years ago, and doesn’t see anything at all about their own life they need to feel sorry for, unless it’s that people like them weren’t able to do what they wanted for a couple of thousand years because the religious moral purity policemen wouldn’t let them (and in many places still won’t).

    Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. And everyone does (or is) stuff that at least some other people disapprove of. So long as we don’t interfere with anyone else’s freedom, we each should be able to enjoy our own.

  18. Bloke in Costa Rica

    For your analogy to be correct, you’d have to posit that Jenner identified as a Republican but society decided he was a Democrat from birth.

  19. NiV

    Thumbs up for the March 17, 2016 at 8:29 pm post. For a second a had the notion that you were too political but then I remembered the quote Tim gave us to start with.

    Now to read everything after. This should be fun.

  20. Society has identified Jenner as someone you would assume is a Democrat. That’s why this is even “news”.

    I guess it wasn’t quite as effective as I expected in bringing out a partisan debate. Repost on an American site and you’d see 1000 comments in the thread.

  21. “For your analogy to be correct, you’d have to posit that Jenner identified as a Republican but society decided he was a Democrat from birth.”

    Society decided that since she was trans she must therefore be a Democrat. The SJWs certainly did, and their incomprehension and scorn when they found out she was not were caustic. The conservatives did too: lambasting her for her SJW campaigning on behalf of trans people. The utter incomprehension on their part, that they’d just invested their hate against a right-wing figure who was facing and fighting hate from the SJWs as well, is remarkable to behold. It seems that their hatred for trans is stronger – in that they’ll still put the boot in even after they find out they’re on the same side, politically. (The SJWs, by contrast, hate Republicans more than they support trans.)

    But my analogy was simpler than you suppose. If mental characteristics like Republicanism can be objectively “real”, then why not mental characteristics like gender?

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