Ritchie doesn’t really get the military, does he?

Re Dan Jarvis:

The trouble is he never got enough pips to get to HQ by the look of it.

He was a Major at 31, resigned his commission to stand for Parliament at 39 ish. Not a guarantee that he would continue to climb the greasy pole but certainly not a record to preclude it.

Oh, and as a Captain he’d already had the maximum number of pips, three.

50 thoughts on “Ritchie doesn’t really get the military, does he?”

  1. I’d have thought attacking a man’s army record is pretty thin ice for the Jezzies to be skating on.

    Has Jeremy Corbyn ever had a real job? Ever been responsible for making things or providing a service or managing a team?

  2. Didn’t Jezza shovel pigshit for a few weeks? That would stand him in good stead for writing the Labour manifesto 🙂

  3. From Dan’s MP “About” page, my annotations:

    Platoon Commander with 1 Para – regt job.
    Aide de Camp to General Sir Mike Jackson – 4* HQ job.
    Adjutant of 3 Para – regt HQ job.
    staff planner in the Permanent Joint Headquarters (Northwood) – 3* HQ job.
    and then at the Army’s Headquarters (Salisbury) – he actually means ‘Wilton’ but – 4* HQ job.
    Company Commander in the Special Forces Support Group – regt job.

    So I make that three regt jobs, one of which was in regt HQ, and three big HQ jobs.

    Mendacious ignorance – Ritchie is trialling for the 2016 Olympic team, isn’t he?

  4. There are no Majors in HQ?

    SO2s (Staff Officer Grade 2), as Majors, Lieutenant Commanders, or Squadron Leaders are collectively referred to in staff (i.e. HQ) appointments, are probably the numerically largest component in a 2* or higher HQ.

    Marginal in a Brigade HQ, I’d think.

  5. Major at 31? I’d say he would have the capacity to lead people, delegate, plan and work as part of a close knit team as well as with competing interests.
    In other words more skills than 90+% of politians.

    True, the military is its own ivory tower with its own concerns but certainly he will have had years of experience in taking ideas and expanding them, problem solving in the real world and planning ahead.

    I’d not have a problem with him at all regardless of whether agreeing with his politics.

  6. Sour grapes from a man whose closest call with uniforms is probably dressing up in a station platform guard’s uniform to marshall the model trains in his:

    shed-which is-not-an-office-for-business-rates-purposes-because-of-the-model-train-set

  7. You can be a private and be at HQ, if you don’t mind looking Efficient and Ready at a door and saluting a lot…

  8. I’m not very up on this, so can someone tell me – major at 31 sounds about right to good, but still a major at 39 doesn’t seem so good. Does it suggest his career stalled a bit, or not?

  9. “Oh, and as a Captain he’d already had the maximum number of pips, three.”

    Christ, you gotta stop doing this to me.

    One link clicked on and thirty minutes later I’m reading about the history of the ‘Charge of the Light Brigade’.

  10. “Richard
    March 11, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    I’m not very up on this, so can someone tell me – major at 31 sounds about right to good, but still a major at 39 doesn’t seem so good. Does it suggest his career stalled a bit, or not?”

    I’d say so – but a lot depends on service and specialty.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised if his career stalled and that’s why he left. Even the very good can get pushed out simply because there are never enough promotion slots to fill with the people competing for promotion.

    And at certain points in your career (especially as you move up the ranks) the difference between ‘well-qualified’ and ‘really well-qualified’ is hazy, ill-defined, and as much up to the vagaries of chance, connection, and how well your CO’s have written your FitReps over your career.

  11. The Meissen Bison

    BraveFart: a man whose closest call with uniforms is probably dressing up in a station platform guard’s uniform to marshall the model trains in his shed

    Joyous! The Fat Controller¹ lives.
    ——
    ¹/ Or ‘comptroller’ if you prefer

  12. Dan Jarvis’ contribution to this country pisses all over whatever that fat sneering little bastard has ever done.

    I bet he thought he was Oscar Wilde when he wrote it, but really he just came across as a bit of a bitch, and an ignorant one at that.

  13. That was sarcasm on my part.

    I know – the “Erm” gave it away, more than slightly. I was just emphasising your point that, in fact, Majors (and their equivalents) are probably the biggest single rank block within most HQs.

  14. Oh, and this: Dan Jarvis was 1.0 of a Major, while his main claim is being 0.2 of a ‘professor’. He can’t even get into a municipal college more than one day a week, let alone “HQ”.

  15. But I wouldn’t be surprised if his career stalled and that’s why he left. Even the very good can get pushed out simply because there are never enough promotion slots to fill with the people competing for promotion.

    Also, the British Regimental system makes it a little more murky than in the USA.

    He went to Staff College – if he came out of Shrivenham with a recommendation for staff rather than command, as a core boots-above-the-ground para, he might well have decided that if he wasn’t going to command past Regt (and he may have known that he was unlikely to get one of the three Regt slots available), then even though there would still be plenty of opportunities promote, outside was a better place.

  16. The Meissen Bison

    @ john77 Surely your son could have no affection for the man responsible for walling Henry into a tunnel.

  17. Above Major, appointments start getting rather more thin on the ground.

    And without an old-fashioned war or lack of antibiotics, there ain’t so many dead men’s shoes to fill any more.

  18. @ TMB
    As a punishment, and only until he repented and agreed to come out. Compared to Murphy’s spiteful attacks on the innocent…

  19. I know – the “Erm” gave it away, more than slightly. I was just emphasising your point that, in fact, Majors (and their equivalents) are probably the biggest single rank block within most HQs.

    Ah, okay. My bad!

  20. The Meissen Bison

    @ john77
    That’s true and when it comes to spite, Murphy is beyond the imaginings of fiction, even children’s fiction which is, of course, the cruellest of the lot.

  21. Actually it’s grossly unfair to suggest that Murphy doesn’t get the military.

    He’s a perfect parody of a parody – Cap’n Mainwaring.

    He has become the ultimate embodiment of the repulsive panjandrum twat.

  22. The murphatollah is a nasty little man.

    Yes, I know we all (sans Arnald) know this, but I somehow feel better for repeating it. Sorry.

  23. Bloke in North Dorset

    “I see Livingstone has weighed in too. What a nasty, spiteful bunch the far-Left are.”

    And stupid, thankfully.

    Attacking Jarvis shows how little they know, or even care, about the average working man who they purport to champion (cf Emily Thornberry). If they knew anything at all about the average working man they would know that they venerate people like Jarvis and attacking him in such a spiteful way is not only going to turn off their own voter base, but a large part of the C1s who would likely vote Tory but might be persuaded to vote for someone like Jarvis.

    As to his career, as SE says it was probably made clear that he wouldn’t get one of the Regiments. That is no disgrace as the competition is fierce in the elite regiments and they only select the elite of the elite for the senior command positions. It certainly isn’t a failure.

    And if he was ADC to Mike Jackson without getting sacked and passed staff college and been an Adjutant he is likely to make a good minister or SoS, irrespective of his politics.

  24. Fucking hell, Ritchie is having a go at a Major in the army now?

    Remind me, how far did he get in the Big 4? He never made Partner at KPMG so he didn’t get many “pips” in his own profession.

    What a ghastly little wanker.

  25. God forbid that I should offer aid and comfort to the enemy, but about the number of pips:
    Major, crown but no pips
    Lieutenant-colonel, crown and one pip
    Colonel, crown and two pips
    Brigadier, crown and three pips
    Is it conceivable that your man in Norfolk knew what he was talking about? If so, without precedent.

  26. He’ll be ranting about the prospect of a military coup in one of his many consciousness streams – truly there is no depths to which the man will not sink – a genuinely evil man and one of the nastiest people involved in contemporary British politics….

  27. Going out as a Major at 39 sounds like the maximum duration of an Intermediate Regular Commission to me. Maximum 18 years service, rank caps out at Major. You need to move up to the Full Regular Commission to be eligible for Lt Colonel or higher. Either he didn’t want to commit to the Full Commission, or was declined for one. That he went the full duration would seem to indicate the former – the Army has its ways of getting rid of those it doesn’t want to keep, and his list of appointments look pretty much like top notch ones to me.

  28. No:

    “Is it conceivable that your man in Norfolk knew what he was talking about?”

    I was very deliberately very careful in what I said. Pips work as you say, Crown plus pips. But a Scnd Lt gets one pip, without the crown, a frst two and a captain three, without the crown. The max no. of pips is three, which you reach as a capt, first.

  29. BraveFart – a bit unfair on George Mainwaring I think.

    Yes, he was a pompous social climber and a blowhard. But – and this was to the great credit of Arthur Lowe and the writers in not making him a two-dimensional character – he was also kind, decent and patriotic.

    Whereas Ritchie is just a cunt.

  30. So Much For Subtlety

    Richard – “I’m not very up on this, so can someone tell me – major at 31 sounds about right to good, but still a major at 39 doesn’t seem so good. Does it suggest his career stalled a bit, or not?”

    Does it? I reckon there are two types of officers. Well not really but more or less. Those that like soldiering and those that like the perks that come with higher command – nice offices, nicer uniforms, lots of people saluting you, the off chance of meeting the Queen. That sort of thing. I would think that being a Major/Lt Colonel is sort of a cut off point. Below that there is lots of soldiering. Above that there is lots of paperwork. If you joined the Army to be a soldier, in the company of other soldiers, why would you want promotion any higher?

    Also the shrinking of the actual soldiering part of the Army, you know, the people who actually do the fighting, in favour of the paperwork parts of the Army, mean that a lot of officers are a little bit surplus to needs.

    But what Rob said. In spades.

  31. Just an idea.. But the Murphmonster has a snail mail address hasn’t he?

    I distinctly remember something about british traditions and feathers. Maybe people should send him some.

  32. Above that there is lots of paperwork. If you joined the Army to be a soldier, in the company of other soldiers, why would you want promotion any higher?

    Because some of that paperwork is important, and by doing it an officer may be able to improve things, based on his operational experience, for the guys on the ground. Plus, mid 30s and onwards it is getting a bit hard on the body to do what 22 year old soldiers and their officers are doing.

  33. Another thought on this whole issue.

    Isn’t it telling that the Labour Party is now carrying out its internal power struggles via the front page of the Stalinist Morning Star?

  34. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “Because some of that paperwork is important, and by doing it an officer may be able to improve things, based on his operational experience, for the guys on the ground.”

    I don’t deny the paperwork *can* be important. Although, in my direct experience, these days most of government paperwork isn’t. But that doesn’t mean everyone has to do it. As long as someone is. A lot of paperwork in the military is inherently stupid. Britain, on a smaller scale, does what America does – run things like procurement as job protection schemes for middle ranking officers. America buys a lot of weapons from overseas these days. But of course they can’t just buy a weapon. They have to re-design it. Or a lot of people above the rank of Major would be out of work.

    I just don’t buy the idea that rising no further than Major is a failure – or that all sensible people would want to rise higher

  35. I just don’t buy the idea that rising no further than Major is a failure – or that all sensible people would want to rise higher

    No disagreement with me there.

  36. I seem to recall a chap who topped out at Major. Amounted to something in Labour politics after the Great War IIRC.

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