Seems reasonable to me

A new poll has found “overwhelming support” within Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United Kingdom for granting nationals reciprocal rights to live and work freely in each other’s countries, as new immigration policies shortly to take effect in the UK have the opposite effect.

Although note what wasn’t asked: the whole Commonwealth?

Another idea I’ve seen floated which seems fair enough is proper open door free immigration: among countries of roughly the same economic level.

23 thoughts on “Seems reasonable to me”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    Reasonable? Isn’t there another “r” word? It is on the tip of my tongue. What is it again? Some other reason why we don’t mind the generally not-very-rape-y citizens of Australia, Canada, and New Zealand (but not, I note South Africa) wander freely around these Bless’d Isles. What is it again? Rusty, quick, remind me? BiG? You know what the word is, right? PaulieB where are you when I need you dude.

  2. The Meissen Bison

    Ooooh, please sir, I know the answer to this one.

    My first is a drop of golden sunshine;
    My second is a closed cavity or sac of a morbid or abnormal character.¹
    _______
    ¹/ Additional clue: rather counter-intuitively the answer to my second is not R Murphy.

  3. Free movement of population between countries of roughly the same economic level was the founding principle of the European Project : the idea was to have an internal market of 300 million customers and no low-wage low-price areas where business would gravitate in order to exploit the low -paid workers while selling their products in high- wage parts of Europe.
    George Osborne said on Andrew Marr yesterday that Europe could only work on this basis: of the constituent countries being of the same level of prosperity.
    But thanks to the United States and its ceaseless jihad on Socialism we have had to accept Poland and the former Soviet satellite countries into the EU , with wages and land values so low that ,in Northampton, the two old established firms of Avon Cosmetics and British Timken decamped to Poland almost immediately.
    Since the US has entirely fucked up the Middle East killing off nasty but stabilising strongmen like Gadaffi, Sadam Hussein and actually arming the mujahideen in Afghanistan, the EU has had to cope with waves of migrants fleeing from this insane interference.
    We need the EU to get its original anti-American act together.
    I speak as a veteran of a futile 1975 movement to secure a Common Market based on the Commonwealth, the remnants of the Imperial Free trade Area based on Imperial tariffs which dominated British politics before the war (see Import Duties Act 1932; Ottawa Accords etc)

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    DBC Reed – “Free movement of population between countries of roughly the same economic level was the founding principle of the European Project”

    Yeah, so much better to have the low-wage workers move to higher wage parts of Europe. How did that work out for Portugal? Wait until Arnald, that other tosser, comes here and tell us how it worked out for the Channel islands.

    “with wages and land values so low that ,in Northampton, the two old established firms of Avon Cosmetics and British Timken decamped to Poland almost immediately.”

    Thank God they are not from Barcelona.

    “Since the US has entirely fucked up the Middle East killing off nasty but stabilising strongmen like Gadaffi, Sadam Hussein and actually arming the mujahideen in Afghanistan, the EU has had to cope with waves of migrants fleeing from this insane interference.”

    The Libyan campaign being one that France started, Britain joined, neither could finish and so the US had to step in to save everyone’s bacon. Except Gaddafi’s.

  5. among countries of roughly the same economic level.

    And that speak the same language (more or less in the case of Aussies), have roughly the same basic religious or irreligious outlook, and aren’t ethnically too different from the host stock.

    Because diversity + proximity = war.

    Even then, people would quickly get annoyed if 3 million Canadians showed up at Heathrow tomorrow.

    We had mass Irish migration to the UK a hundred years ago. They’re the same colour, speak the same language, and worship the same God as the English and the Scots. There was no welfare state in those days for them to live off and they came here legally to work. So was it a happy clappy experience for all concerned?

    Ha ha! Nope.

  6. I am shocked at the idea that the Commonwealth only has any real meaning for loyal Commonwealth nations of British stock.

  7. If we’re only to allow migration between territories of similar economic levels, does that mean all the rich Londoners will be barred from Cornwall?

  8. Reed: Your entire life has been an exercise in futility.

    And we should all be glad. Had the socialist shite you peddle won, you yourself –as a fucking apparatchik–would likely have gone to well-deserved (and hopefully agonising ) death at the hands of your own evil creed. And most of the commenters on here would never have been born due to the poverty and mass death spawned by socialism.

    And there would be no Internet to comment on anyway.

    Piss off to The Chestnut Tree and drown your sorrows in a Victory Gin.

  9. Mr Ecks – exactly.

    The world loathes Nazism with its 30 million death toll, yet wankers like DBC hanker after a world based on Communism with its 200 + million death told (just in C20)

    Funny old world…

    [Before we get into a Socialism / Communism debate remember “The goal of socialism is communism. ” – Vladimir Lenin]

  10. “overwhelming support”

    The UK figure was 58%. If the poll had been, say, for the return of Capital Punishment, I doubt the Guardian would have phrased it that way (or even reported on it).

    I know Canada has a points system, quite a difficult one. I believe Australia also has one. I don’t think we do. So rebalancing what currently looks a fairly skewed apparatus is making Australia throw a wobbly and start talking about “putting formal relations between the two countries at risk.”

    WTF? Threats about diplomatic relations because a country changes its immigration system to be a bit closer to yours?

  11. And that speak the same language (more or less in the case of Aussies)

    Oi! You’ve got the bloody Scots and you’re having a go at our accent? 🙂

  12. Free movement of population between countries of roughly the same economic level was the founding principle of the European Project

    Problem is, this was never true from day one. I don’t think you can blame the US for Greece, although I’m sure you would be wiling to take a crack at it. So what you’re you’re saying is that the EU was fundamentally flawed from the start? And that’s without even getting into the differences between say France and the UK in labour markets, fiscal policy, general social policy, etc.

    An alliance of the Anglosphere Commonwealth countries makes a lot more sense than the EU ever did.

  13. Ltw – to be fair, we gave the Scots a chance to leave, but they just muttered something incomprehensible and Caledonian and trailed off to an awkward silence while they stared gloomily into the mist-covered heather.

    I think it was summat to do with a fine wee lass, a bonnie wee lass, called Bonnie Wee Jeannie McColl. But who can tell?

  14. So Much For Subtlety

    Interestingly Hong Kong and Singapore were not included either. Despite both being richer than the UK.

    Reasonable? What was that other word again Rusty?

  15. “I know Canada has a points system, quite a difficult one. I believe Australia also has one. I don’t think we do. ”

    No, sadly we’ve got Teresa May, who thinks this
    http://goo.gl/wkQaZo is a much better system, that ” the policy is fair, and that individuals have had many years to prepare”. “Many years to prepare”? Hmmm.

    “Some jobs, such as nurses, are exempt” Of course.

  16. PS. For non-EU people, I ought to explain that the Government is having a real go at trained people and grannies from outside the EU because they can’t do anything much to reduce EU migration, which is what led to the fuss about immigration. Thus, to meet a political pledge to reduce net immigration, they have to focus on non-EU applicants, and better still, if they are already resident, they can actually deport them or since they are in work they can revoke their right to work which forces them out.

  17. “lthough note what wasn’t asked: the whole Commonwealth?”

    Possibly a straightforward criterion might be to allow free movement amongst countries with HM the Queen as head of state.

    “Even then, people would quickly get annoyed if 3 million Canadians showed up at Heathrow tomorrow.”

    No doubt, although it would certainly force some decision about Heathrow runways finally to be made, but in any case, it’s simply not going to happen. It didn’t happen when immigration rules were less restrictive. There would be a modest flow in both directions.

  18. CHF: So Teresa-fucking-May is planning to rid the UK of attractive female flute-players who are supporting themselves –albeit in modest style.

    And how many of the 50%-75% of unemployed spiritual imports and general crime-spree vibrants will be taking their leave of these shores?

    Fucking none is my guess.

  19. Teresa trying to get rid of other attractive woman might make some sense.

    The Leopard-skin bag trying to do so makes little sense even tho’ the evil, brainless cow fancies herself as a model. Perhaps she thinks that if her only competition is women in bags she might have a chance.

    No, not even then.

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