So here’s an interesting new military theory

She warned that media stories about Mr Corbyn’s non-interventionism were having a negative impact and imagined a voter saying: “That Jeremy Corbyn you know, faced with terrorists he’d sit down and have a cup of tea with them or something.”

Ms Shawcroft went on: “Now I mean, you know, maybe we should try it! Bombing them and attacking them has got us nowhere, why don’t we get the teabags out?
“You know I did read a while ago about when the EDL were going round picketing outside mosques… One particular mosque in the Midlands somewhere just opened the doors and said would you like to come in for a cup of tea?
“And they went in for a cup of tea and now they’re friends with the EDL. Straight away the EDL are now like oh, well actually these people are not the monsters you know that we’re being told all this time, they’re actually human beings that you can sit down and have a cup of tea with.
“So you know I think we should bear in mind that having cups of tea might actually be the best kind of system of defence and national security that you could have, but there we are.”

Hmm.

Ms Shawcroft, who is on the steering committee for the pro-Corbyn activist group Momentum, has courted controversy previously.

Makes you wonder why the Stalinists didn’t just sit down and have a cup of tea with the kulaks. The BEF with the Panzergruppen.

28 thoughts on “So here’s an interesting new military theory”

  1. Cornflake Explosion!

    “Why don’t we get the teabags out”!!

    Yeah, probably keep them quiet for about 8 minutes, but then you get stoned to death love…

  2. They don’t change you know. The peaceniks of the 60’s were certain that if the UK threw all it’s H bombs into the North Sea, the Russians and Chinese would weep tears of joy and follow suit. La Shawcroft is cut from the same cloth.

  3. Paul Rain produces an interesting alternative history. UK & Germany divide France. Bordeaux wines become rightfully British. USSR defeated in ’41. Does the Hitler regime survive a prosperous peace?

  4. I have a Norwegian mate who despairs at the practice of his countrymen to forever be trying to set an example to the rest of the world by adopting hopelessly naive and costly initiatives (which often involve transferring large sums of money from Norway to brutal and corrupt authoritarian governments) in the belief that if only the rest of the world could see how virtuous the Norwegians were, they would automatically follow suit.

  5. “The BEF with the Panzergruppen.”

    But didn’t they? Chamberlain and the Munich Agreement – what was that but a sit-down and discuss?

    Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.

    The problem with Shawcroft though is that she’s assuming *that we haven’t had that sit-down yet*. But we have. The West had mostly left the ME alone for pretty much a whole generation. Then a small group of splitters decided to get frisky.

    Its hard to keep having those tea parties when just when you reconcile with one group, their brother comes round to shoot at you.

    OTOH, she’s right that the bombs certainly aren’t working. Might have something to do with the fact that a short, sharp, bit of retaliation – roll in, wreck the country, roll out and then ignore them – looks a lot more effective than ‘building democracy’ which looks suspiciously like an ‘occupation’.

  6. “bloke in spain
    March 21, 2016 at 9:11 am

    Paul Rain produces an interesting alternative history. UK & Germany divide France. Bordeaux wines become rightfully British. USSR defeated in ’41. Does the Hitler regime survive a prosperous peace?”

    Outside of the Holocaust, would it matter if it did or not? If it weren’t for his obsession with the Jews, history would likely favor Hitler over Stalin (rather than the other way around even though Stalin was the larger mass murderer) instead of holding him up as the epitome of human evil. Nazi Germany would have just been one more fascist regime on a continent full of them, in a world full of them.

  7. One clear issue which causes people to think like this is that the current generation of politicians (no, auto incorrect, not ‘pelicans’, although they would probably be more use) tend to see the military as a solution for political and societal issues (see Nor’n Ireland, Iraq, etc etc.)

    It just doesn’t work except for very transient things like temporary flood defences. And, even then, it leads to politicians ignoring the underlying issues because the military helped to stop the damage being as bad as it should have been.

  8. I suspect she and Corbyn raise a clench fist whenever the Spanish Civil War is mentions, get very non-interventionist and start quoting the disgusting murderous Stalinist fuck Dolores ‘La Pasionara’ Iburran
    ¡No pasaran!, comrades.

    Wankers

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “I have a Norwegian mate who despairs at the practice of his countrymen to forever be trying to set an example to the rest of the world by adopting hopelessly naive and costly initiatives (which often involve transferring large sums of money from Norway to brutal and corrupt authoritarian governments) in the belief that if only the rest of the world could see how virtuous the Norwegians were, they would automatically follow suit.”

    Well it seems to have inspired the Swedes:

    The construction of the Bãi Bằng paper mill was controversial.[1] This project was signed as a cooperation between Sweden and then North Vietnam in 1969, with construction beginning in 1975. The construction was evaluated by the Chr. Michelsen Institute, an independent, non-profit research foundation based in Norway.

    However, many problems caused the project to take until 1996 before reaching the projected capacity. The projected cost was 770 million Swedish kronor, but instead totaled to 2.8 billion Swedish kronor. For many years, the Bãi Bằng paper mill was seen as problematic.

    So while America was busy trying to prevent the Communists murdering the peasants in the South as they had done to the peasants in the North, Sweden was throwing money at the murderers.

    In this they have form. They provided most of the funding that allowed the re-opening of Peru’s San Cristóbal of Huamanga University. And the hiring of Abimael Guzman. Who promptly founded the Shining Path among his students.

  10. “Outside of the Holocaust, would it matter if it did or not? ”

    Would the worst of the Holocaust have taken place if the war had ended in 1941? The systematic genocide would be much harder to undertake in peace time with relatively open borders and a free flow of information.

  11. So Much For Subtlety

    Agammamon – “Outside of the Holocaust, would it matter if it did or not? If it weren’t for his obsession with the Jews, history would likely favor Hitler over Stalin (rather than the other way around even though Stalin was the larger mass murderer) instead of holding him up as the epitome of human evil.”

    Even considering the Holocaust, history ought to be tougher on Stalin and not quite so tough on Hitler. The problem is that we all have Jewish friends and colleagues while we don’t know any Kulaks. The Marxists have marched through the institutions and make sure that supporting the murder of their friends is unacceptable while the murder of their enemies is fine.

    Although, actually, the future is likely to praise Hitler *because* he killed Jews. As in the Middle East. When we have been replaced our values will not survive.

  12. Well, maybe if there’s Polonium 210 in the tea, she might be onto something.

    Or maybe she meant teabagging….

  13. Its hard to keep having those tea parties when just when you reconcile with one group, their brother comes round to shoot at you.

    That’s the main problem the Israelis have. Every time they agree something with one lot, another lot state they don’t recognise the prior agreements and the negotiations need to start from scratch again.

  14. @SE quite. Soldiers are not policemen, and I can’t think there’s much compatibility between the training.

  15. Bloke in North Dorset

    But we did offer them a cup of tea and more. We invited them in, gave them jobs, let them bring their families provided schools ‘n’ ‘ospitals and they still hate us. And in return they brought us their internecine warfare.

  16. So the lady would be quite happy to invite the EDL in for tea and recognise that they are OK people?
    That seems to me to be the revelation here.
    Perhaps she should try it with other groups. Say the NF, UKIP, the Tories, the Bankers etc.- and this time not wait for someone else to take the initiative.

  17. Interestingly enough, the time before last when my home town in Buckinghamshire had a march by the EDL and everyone panicked about it and practically closed the place down for the day, the young people’s group at the local mosque were the only people who acted like intelligent adults; they invited representatives from the EDL in for a cuppa and a chat to explain to them just what their problem was with Muslims.
    The invitation was not taken up.

  18. When and where did this mythical friend making take place?

    People out protesting about their nation being taken over jack it in after a cuppa? Leftist fantasy. The EDL’s mistake was thinking to tackle the consequences of the left’s patronage of a particular group of clients without going after the left as well or even first. Break the left and their clients also lose power and problem status.

  19. Perhaps she could explain that policy to Lee Rigby’s family. Or the Kurds or Yazidi in Iraq. Or the Copts in Egypt.

    Colossally stupid or just evil? This is the question we have to ask about her.

  20. I’m entirely happy for Jeremy Corbyn to sit down with ISIS over a cup of tea and discuss peace.

    But I suspect it wouldn’t be long before a full-HD video of his beheading was on Live Leak.

    These fucking CND types never learn do they?

  21. “But I suspect it wouldn’t be long before a full-HD video of his beheading was on Live Leak.”

    That might be the only up side to Corbyn as Prime Minister that I can think of…

  22. Alastair: Noted that nobody asked the EDL for their version of this charming little tale.

    The RoP don’t do turning the other cheek but they are authorised to lie sacredly and hoist the Jolly Roger when the wind changes against the infidel.

  23. Chamberlain’s cuppa with Hitler gave us an 18-month breathing space to get ready for the war that was coming.

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