Err, yes

A transgender woman has revealed she was ‘raped more than 2000 times’ while she was behind bars at a men’s prison in Queensland.

Not a huge surprise perhaps.

30 thoughts on “Err, yes”

  1. Matthew – I don’t think Tim (or anyone else) should have to explain that they’re against rape. It’s one of those things we sort of take as a given. The phrase ‘Not a huge surprise perhaps’ connotes neither for nor against. But you know this – you’re just a dishonest person with a big axe to grind.

    That’s assuming s/he is telling the truth. In most human interactions, if we don’t know the person asserting X – or we do know them, and they have a history of lying – we look for supporting evidence for claims like this. Journalists seem no longer to ask the basic questions (1) Is X telling the truth? and (2) If I can’t say, should I publish?

    In this case, going by the Mail, the alleged victim doesn’t seem to have complained at the time.

    ‘the degrading moment she was forced to strip naked for a body-check’ – in other words ‘treated the same as everyone else’? I thought that was the idea.

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    Come on. Of course it is a surprise. This is, admittedly, Australia but even in Australia I would be surprised if vulnerable prisoners were not put in Segregation.

    It is more likely that someone is rationalising or lying.

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    Boggo Road gaol? In the 1990s?

    Interesting.

    Boggo Road Gaol Boggo Road Gaol 2015.jpg
    Structure in 2015
    Location Dutton Park, Queensland, Australia
    Security class Maximum Security
    Opened July 1883
    Closed November 1989

  4. The whole tale is suspect.

    2000 times? 2000 forcible assaults on his arsehole would leave him in a terrible mess. So is there medical evidence to support this claim? Not to mention the danger of AIDS . Or did the scummy sodomizers all use condoms? And the prison authorities? There is scum on both sides in jail (as the recent treatment of Tommy Robinson shows) but an inmate in such dire straits that he makes 3 presumably hopeless attempts to escape and nothing is flagged up? In the 1950s perhaps but the 1990s?

    How odd that this tale emerges only now when the scum of the left are trying to raise a transgender hoo-ha.

  5. @ Ecks – Could have been blow jobs. According to that well known documentary The Shawshank Redemption, they were quite the rage.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    Mr Ecks – “2000 forcible assaults on his arsehole would leave him in a terrible mess.”

    A four year sentence. Five hundred a year. So one and a bit under two thirds a day.

    Not …. very …. plausible. But I don’t know. It makes the prison look like a San Francisco bathhouse.

    Dan – “Could have been blow jobs. According to that well known documentary The Shawshank Redemption, they were quite the rage.”

    That documentary also taught us something about people who bite. I am not sure they are that popular among the prison rapist community. But I don’t know, it is possible I suppose.

  7. Even if it’s”only” 200 times, or 20 times, or twice, it’s still far too much. I know prison isn’t supposed to be fun, but it should at least be a place where we enforce the rules of society; not the rule of the jungle.

  8. Andrew M: Agreed.

    But you miss the real point of jail. It is the state’s equivalent of Hell to which solid citizens can be sent if the don’t toe the line, hand over the cash and, increasingly, dare to speak their mind about the shit that is going on.

    Prison obviously does not deter crims or the jails would be empty. But prison is there to deter the solids.

    And thus the more violent, horrible and full of sodomitic violation they are, the better it suits the scum of the state.

  9. Wasn’t there a stat (reliability unknown) from our USian collegues that, because of the horrific state of their prisons, rape of men is now more common than rape of women?

    The source article for the Groan and Daily Hate articles appears to be here.

  10. The Inimitable Steve

    Yes, seems unlikely given the maths. And also, because if it is true, where’s the massive lawsuit against the Department of Corrective Services?

    Jail is full of horrible nasty people so this kind of thing does happen of course. But, 2000 times in 1460 days?

    The reason it’s such a huge problem in American prisons (and far less of a problem in British jails) is mainly due to their vibrant, enriched prison population demographics.

    No idea if Aussie jails are full of large gentlemen named ‘Bubba’, but I’m guessing not.

    Of course, the moral of this sad tale is don’t steal.

  11. TIS, I think those numbers could easily be true. The article suggests the victim went along with the abuse in order to avoid worse violence.

    Don’t know about Australia, but I have watched a few documentaries about US prisons and they do seem utterly hellish. The guards only seem to attempt to keep a lid on the worst violence and to maintain some sort of order.

    US prisons seem to be full of violent men who will be spending all or the bulk of their lives there. There is little the prison authorities can do to make them behave; I suspect guards are more than happy to allow drugs in and to turn a blind eye to weaker inmates getting raped in order to keep the ‘peace’…

  12. You are on the way to the stars Biggie.

    Although still choked by Merkaloid sulphur you can see distant gleams of The Light.

  13. “The article suggests the victim went along with the abuse in order to avoid worse violence.”

    Worse than being buggered 2000 times?

  14. The Inimitable Steve

    If you read the original Australian article, the alleged victim was released on parole at one point, but soon went back to jail for breaking parole.

    So… yeah.

  15. Mr X,
    Depends on the state. In Norway the prisons are famously lenient and focused on rehabilitation.

    Inimitable Steve,
    It’s all very well saying “don’t steal”, but any one of us could end up in prison. Unlikely, but it happens. Maybe your kids will repeatedly play truant. Maybe one day you’ll go out for a couple of pints then run over someone while driving home. Maybe you’ll get into a fight and the other guy ends up dead. Maybe you’ll drive through a red light and run over someone’s granny. Maybe you’ll shag a girl who lied about her age. Maybe your accident-prone kid ends up in A&E one time too many, and social services decide you’ve been throwing him down the stairs. Maybe you’ll be accused of rape by an ex-girlfriend or an ex-employee. Maybe you’ll work for Natwest in the UK but get extradited to the USA to face charges of fraud.

    Lots of relatively innocuous things can lead to prison. Being raped isn’t part of the sentence.

  16. Maybe she enjoyed it at the time but then changed her mind afterwards?

    Isn’t that rape these days?

  17. @Andrew M

    “Maybe you’ll get into a fight and the other guy ends up dead………

    …..Lots of relatively innocuous things can lead to prison.”

    I’m guessing it’s a pretty rough neighbourhood you’re in?

  18. @The Inimitable Steve

    “If you read the original Australian article, the alleged victim was released on parole at one point, but soon went back to jail for breaking parole.”

    Wait, what? Went back in? Wow.

  19. So Much For Subtlety

    MC – “US prisons seem to be full of violent men who will be spending all or the bulk of their lives there. There is little the prison authorities can do to make them behave”

    What you mean is that there is little that the ACLU will allow them to do that can make them behave. The Sixties came out against all sort of institutions and tried to make sure they could not work. The problem is that the violence that ordinary people do to each other is usually worse than the worst prison system. Which is pretty much where American prisons are. Guards are not allowed to keep order. The prisoners predate.

    I am dubious about the rape figures though. Where would they be doing this exactly? It is not as if there isn’t a ton of modern surveillance in prisons.

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