On the subject of abusive comments sections

One I’ve just received elsewhere:

You’re such a disgusting propagandist , Tim. Here’s hoping you get shot in the head real soon buddy.

Isn’t that just a lovely example of the greater equality of the modern day? See, it happens to middle aged white men too……

33 thoughts on “On the subject of abusive comments sections”

  1. sure it does. but do you see a distinction between sexist abuse and other varieties? And if so, why doesn’t some of what she gets qualify?

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    Luis Enrique – “but do you see a distinction between sexist abuse and other varieties?”

    Not really. Can you please explain why it is so much worse to be told to go back to the kitchen than to be threatened with a bullet to the head?

  3. Luis,

    I think the point is that the kind of abuse is less relevant (unless hypocrisy). And I doubt anyone is really glad Valenti gets abuse- I think that there is some discussion as to whether she brings some of that abuse on herself by the pisspoor columns, and perhaps some further discussion as to whether a bit much is being made of what is just words in the first place- sticks and stones etc

  4. “do you see a distinction between sexist abuse and other varieties?”

    No Zorro I don’t. We get a song and dance about the extra femmi boo hoo factor from upsetting those women who–tho’ much stronger and better than us mere men in every possible way–start crying or filling their knickers (or pretending to) in terror at nasty words. Or threats from rumpkin losers who couldn’t beat an egg never mind someone else.

  5. I liked your response Tim: ‘Most kind of you to take the time to say so.’

    Though the ‘You Suck Worst-of-all’ was inventive. I havent heard that one before.

  6. it’s not that sexist abuse in necessarily worse than other forms of abuse, but if I was a woman on the receiving end of torrents of it, I reckon I’d be entitled to complain about it.

  7. Luis,

    “it’s not that sexist abuse in necessarily worse than other forms of abuse, but if I was a woman on the receiving end of torrents of it, I reckon I’d be entitled to complain about it.”

    Aye, so you would be. But what if your moaning took the form of demanding special treatment and protections, or exemption from criticism based on your gender?

    Because if you maintain thats the sole reason for people criticising you, that’s what you be asking for

  8. “it’s not that sexist abuse in necessarily worse than other forms of abuse, but if I was a woman on the receiving end of torrents of it, I reckon I’d be entitled to complain about it.”

    If you had done nothing to earn it you may have a point. If , however, you were a well-paid female poisoner working for the UK’s top peddler of deceitful socialist evil ( possibly second only to Tory Central Office) who loses no chance to spew venom and hatred on those that she hates–from the lofty realms of her leftist female superiority– then you would deserve everything you got and more.

  9. Luis

    I agree with that the torrents of sexist abuse she gets is deeply unpleasant and unjustified. On the other hand the torrent of complete rubbish she writes certainly justifies strong comment. She and her fellow columnists would like to conflate the two and have all criticism banned.

  10. I suppose if the trolling gets to her, she can always become HR Director at a Footsie 100 company somewhere.

    That post seems to be the repository of the useless female these days – companies have to be seen to be meeting a quota of women on the board, but for the hopeless incompetents, the HR department is the place where they can do least harm to the business.

  11. Luis Enrique: “it’s not that sexist abuse in necessarily worse than other forms of abuse, but if I was a woman on the receiving end of torrents of it, I reckon I’d be entitled to complain about it.”

    No-one minds them complaining, complaining being what they seem to do 24/7/365 anyway.

    What we mind is when they then demand the right to censor someone else’s free speech or get their own little laws written to protect their delicate sensibilities. The fragile little snowflakes.

  12. I would be interested to learn exactly how the blocked comments on Valenti’s articles break down in terms of:
    sexist abuse/insults/disagreement

    I suspect the ‘torrent’ would be in the latter two categories.

  13. Bravefart
    Good rule of thumb: never invest in, or work for, any organisation where the head of HR is a director.

  14. The Meissen Bison

    PF: HR departments can often do vast damage to a business.

    Absolutely, strife is work creation for HR people – when all is going smoothly you don’t need HR hence they create problems which then only they can solve.

  15. So Much For Subtlety

    Luis Enrique – “it’s not that sexist abuse in necessarily worse than other forms of abuse, but if I was a woman on the receiving end of torrents of it, I reckon I’d be entitled to complain about it.”

    You started out by saying there was a distinction. Now you are saying there isn’t? Why would a woman be more entitled to object to being told to go back to the kitchen than TW would be to complain about a threat of a bullet in the back of the head?

  16. So Much For Subtlety

    The Meissen Bison – “Absolutely, strife is work creation for HR people – when all is going smoothly you don’t need HR hence they create problems which then only they can solve.”

    I am not sure. A little strife may help a work place. But HR works hard to make sure no strife ever arises. So people go around walking on egg shells. They will never say anything honest as long as HR is looking over their shoulder. The result is that poor performance is not noted and checked. Ideas are not shared. Employees start looking to the door and thinking about the weekend – they have left the building a long time before they have left the building.

  17. In his wonderful book, “Up The Organization”, Robert Townsend (the man who rescued Avis and doubled their size), suggested that a good step would be to fire the entire HR department — because the people in charge of hiring new staff should be the department heads who would later be managing them.

    I have thought long and hard about this maxim, and can find no fault with it.True story: I once joined a start-up company almost at ground level, and when they hired their first HR weasel, I quit, citing that as the reason. Six months later, nearly a quarter of the most experienced staff had resigned because the new HR policies made the place so unpleasant that people tossed away their stock options rather than stick around to cash them in. Eighteen months after that, the company closed its doors because there were no good people left to keep the place afloat.

  18. @ Gamecock: you have the truth of it.

    When people went from being “persons” to being “resources”, the writing was on the wall. In great big huge fucking neon letters.

  19. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “I agree with that the torrents of sexist abuse she gets is deeply unpleasant and unjustified.”

    Sure. Vicious racially motivated – and sexist – abuse is not for people you agree with!

    We all know where you’re coming from Rusty.

  20. Bloke in Costa Rica

    The problem with Valenti is that her reaction to criticism follows this kind of syllogism:
    I am being criticised.
    I am a woman.
    Therefore the criticism is sexist.

    She’s not very bright, so she might genuinely believe this to be the case.

  21. I was building a new team in Malta. Needed to get it together pretty quick, and needed guys who could hit the ground running. I knew two guys, one was ‘average’, the other I knew was a fucking genius, and I’d break the bank to steal him (from a company I used to work for).

    HR insisted on interviewing both my guys. They didn’t even involve me in the process. They then come back and tell me they wouldn’t be moving forward with the genius guy – because he was ‘bad value’ – and the ‘average’ guy was much better than him.

    Someone, who genuinely doesn’t understand my fucking job (it involves building mathematical models) is telling me who is good or not at my job? I went over the stupid cunt’s head and employed the person anyway, and now they openly hate me for it. Needless to say a year on he’s about twice as productive as the average guy, because I fucking knew he would be.

  22. Interviewers will favour the candidate who is most like them unless they have a direct stake in the hire, and even then that bias is hard to overcome.

  23. I like the HR moppets who treat a job interview as a quiz “Patently unsuitable candidate answered 8/10 questions in a way I liked so you have to employ them”

  24. So Much For Subtlety

    Rob – “Interviewers will favour the candidate who is most like them unless they have a direct stake in the hire, and even then that bias is hard to overcome.”

    Studies have shown that the people discriminated against the most by HR Departments are pretty girls in their twenties who include a photo.

    Which is not surprising as most HR people are formerly pretty women in their thirties.

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