Ooooh, yes, very sexist, cycling

Nicole Cooke: welcome to the world of elite cycling where sexism is by design

Yep:

The spat between Jess Varnish and Shane Sutton should be ringing alarm bells in a sport that does not appear to have a level playing field

They even make the men and the women compete in separate races and how sexist is that?

24 thoughts on “Ooooh, yes, very sexist, cycling”

  1. “They even make the men and the women compete in separate races and how sexist is that?”
    If men and women had to compete in the same races, use the same lavatories etc. Think of the simplification this will introduce into day-to-day life. No more sports programs getting longer and longer because they introduce coverage of women’s sport, just coverage of football, hundred metres races, marathons etc. as one event. The best person of whatever sex would win.
    No more people complaining about lavatories or endless debates about your sexuality and about which lavatory you should use.
    We could concentrate on the really important issues like deciding how we create free Spaces for people to comment on matters without offending anybody.

  2. Fflint would be even more boring on a level playing field. It’s only the mountain stages which make even remotely interesting viewing.

  3. ALD: “We could concentrate on the really important issues like deciding how we create free Spaces for people to comment on matters without offending anybody.”

    Who gives a rat’s arse about that?

  4. Are there any “sports” in which the sexes compete with each other ? I can only think of the equestrian disciplines (which I wouldn’t classify as a sport, but one (wo)man’s meat, is anothers…etc) . Even lawn bowls has a gender split.

  5. “You’ve clearly never seen a velodrome scratch race”
    Bunch of bikes going round in circles. What’s making me remember the “potter’s wheel” clip the old BBC used to show in its “interludes”?
    Marginal improvement on paint drying, I suppose.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    The men get all the glory and TV coverage as they are doing a “proper job” while the girls are “allowed” to be there on the day. That would be sexual discrimination by design.

    No it would be viewer preference. People don’t like watching lesbians sweat. People will never like watching lesbians sweat. The government can’t make people like watching lesbians sweat. Therefore they will never make anything like the same money,

    Jess has since been dropped from the GB team preparing for Rio 2016.

    So basically the b!tching of an athlete who has been cut.

    In parting, she alleged that British Cycling’s team manager, Sutton, had told her that her arse was too big and at 25 she was too old and she should go and have a baby.

    Her ar$e probably was too big although I would have thought that is a good thing in cycling. Either way, that was probably the best advice she was ever likely to get. She will, with luck, look back on that in twenty years time with gratitude. The government ought to carve that in stone and send a copy to every girl in Britain.

    I spoke out from the age of 19 and I know what happens.

    So a bitter failure commenting on another failure’s bitterness.

    They just do not see it.

    I actually think they do. Although there isn’t much to see.

    The team management told Varnish your performances are not good enough to make you a favourite for a medal anyway, with the implication public money should not be spent on giving her a holiday.

    As a tax payer that seems reasonable to me. Varnish’s performance seems pretty mediocre to me. Not sure that it was sensible to spend more money on her.

    In 2008 when I won Olympic gold in Beijing, the day before, in the men’s road race, every single one of the four men riding for Team GB failed to finish.

    All four of them have longer records of success. Two of them very long records indeed. Jonny Bellis seems to have won more than Varnish and is only as year older. He retired last year. It doesn’t seem that anyone is playing favourites.

    Only, of course, for the men it is 1,000m. The world governing body has set the tone – women are second-class citizens.

    By all means let’s make the girl cover the same distance. In fact why do we have a separate women’s event?

    He had a manifesto pledge that within one year of his coming to office, there would be a minimum wage for women cyclists as there is for men. His advising “action” committee, packed with individuals whose business model only works when the majority of women team riders do not receive the minimum wage, were never going to “advise” him that it was practical;

    So people tried, but the experts who know what they are talking about it knew it was impossible?

    Opening up right now are big opportunities for women’s sport and its sponsors.

    Female tennis players have shaken sponsors down, why not female cyclists?

    The people of this country could not have been clearer; the old, the young, the slow, the quick, they valued the exploits of their daughters every bit as much as those of their sons. They, every one of them, did not discriminate.

    The viewing figures beg to differ. I doubt that 9 out of 10 British people, that is, not the inhabitants of London, would recognise a single British cyclist.

  7. Christ some people are dense. You failed to qualify at 25. That means you’ve got one more shot, but as you even failed to qualify, even if you up your game, you aren’t going win a medal next time. Give it up.

    OK, I probably wouldn’t say what he did, maybe he’s a bit old fashioned about what women do, or maybe it was shock tactics. Sports people often don’t get that they have a shelf life.

  8. bloke in Spain,

    Fact is, if a sport is in the Olympics, and that’s the peak competition, it’s boring as fuck. The sports that people care about don’t need the state building stadia for them.

    Really, the whole thing is just a bizarre exercise in jingoism People who don’t give a fuck about rowing or archery suddenly care that Britain won a medal in it.

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    The Stigler – “Fact is, if a sport is in the Olympics, and that’s the peak competition, it’s boring as fuck. The sports that people care about don’t need the state building stadia for them.”

    I would never watch gymnastics outside the Olympics. The police probably have a watch list for people who do.

    And certainly the 100 metres Sprint is more interesting at the Olympics than elsewhere. You rarely get all the top runners together anywhere else.

  10. You rarely get all the top runners together anywhere else.

    Except maybe at their chemists’ offices.

  11. “For the men, the team sprint is 750m and a team comprises three riders. For the women it is 500m and a team comprises two riders.”

    This is an example of inequality in distances how? At last check 750/3=500/2. It looks more like a failure in the education system instead. At least the author isn’t a woman as that would feed into the stereotype that women are bad at math.

    “I would never watch gymnastics outside the Olympics. The police probably have a watch list for people who do.”

    I hate to agree with SMFS but sometimes he’s correct. I was twelve for the last Olympics where I could comfortably watch female gymnastics. Figure skating is almost as bad.

  12. Allow women to play golf in the PGA, and do away with the LPGA. Give the women a two year qualification on the PGA tour.

    It’ll be great seeing Suzanne Petterson’s drives 60 yards short of the men she plays with. Within two years and a day, there will be less than 5 women left on the PGA tour. And approaching zero.

  13. Bloke in North Dorset

    Not a sport but in Bridge there’s an Open, Women’s section. Women can’t then complain that they aren’t given equal opportunity.

    Perhaps that should be transferred to Olympic sports.

  14. So Much For Subtlety

    Gamecock – “Within two years and a day, there will be less than 5 women left on the PGA tour. And approaching zero.”

    This is going to happen anyway. Because within two years the LPGA is going to be wall-to-wall Transsexuals.

    If you insist that a man is a woman even if he has a penis, there is no reason to keep them out and so there is no way that a woman without a penis will win.

  15. “This is going to happen anyway. Because within two years the LPGA is going to be wall-to-wall Transsexuals.”

    The M to F transsexuals I’ve met were born extreme beta males with no interest in sports. Are there really that many blokes, who will chop off their junk, to only carry one club in the LPGA tour?

  16. So Much For Subtlety

    Liberal Yank – “The M to F transsexuals I’ve met were born extreme beta males with no interest in sports. Are there really that many blokes, who will chop off their junk, to only carry one club in the LPGA tour?”

    Bruce Jenner is gearing up to play as we speak. And he has not cut anything off yet.

  17. Richard Raskind never struck me as a “beta male,” much less an extreme one, but I can’t claim extensive experience.

  18. Mrs??? Jenner is one but is sh·he·it* common?

    In such a polarized debate I expect any numbers to contain some bias. Jenner would not be a celebrity at this point if not for the gender issues so I can’t take this case as more than an outlier at this point. I don’t know enough about Raskind to comment.

    My limited real world experience comes from a kid I knew back in high school and a few weeks optimizing A/V at a string of local clubs, one of which is a LGBTQBSXML(did I get all the letters correst SJW?) bar. My sample size of 4 is too small to to matter but it is all I can be sure of.

    *I’m not sure how to spell the local word, sh·he·it. I realized I’m not even sure how to represent the double h sound.

  19. Where government must set boundaries, it can’t be arbitrary. Sex is science. Gender is arbitrary, and has become a game.

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