The scale of the situation

Dr Peter Walker said in the year leading up to his retirement he approached every plastic surgeon in New Zealand, asking if they were interested in adopting the specialism.

“It is a very complex surgery and no one wanted to take it up,” says Walker, who, in his mid-70s, continues to lobby the government for his replacement.

“People didn’t have the time, or the inclination, I don’t know. But it is fascinating surgery and fascinating patients – work that truly changes lives.”

The New Zealand government funds three male-to-female surgeries and one male-to-female every two years.

Since Walker’s retirement, the waiting list for state-funded surgery has risen to more than 70, and members of the trans community say they are “desperate” and “frustrated” by the situation.

Among 5 million people. So an incidence of under 1 in a million. Around and about the same as the incidence of being struck dead by lightning in any one year.

Of course, human rights are human rights, not affected by incidence at all. The odds of being wrongly convicted of murder and then executed are rather lower than that but executing an innocent would still be the most terrible violation of said human rights. But incidence does give us at least the first inklings of how important a problem actually is.

The wish to be sculpted into a simulacrum of another sex seems to be pretty rare.

21 thoughts on “The scale of the situation”

  1. As a GP observed:
    I get people coming into my surgery who are convinced they’re Napoleon. But I don’t argue that the NHS should buy them a cocked hat and a French army uniform.

  2. The socialist shite making all the hoo-ha about this topic don’t give a shit about trannies of any type.

    They want to force their bullshit on the rest of us–make us submit to marxistic evil–as a means of dominating society. The more of their ordure we eat the more in control they believe themselves to be.

    The real mental illness involved is socialism. And it must be destroyed.

  3. If some people want to have their genitalia surgically reconfigured and then live as a member of the opposite sex to that of their birth, that’s their choice and I have no objection. However, they shouldn’t expect the taxpayer to fund their ‘transition’, provide special public lavatories or make any other special or ‘non-discriminatory’ provisions. ‘Transitioning’ should be funded by charities, largely funded by wealthy trans-sexuals.

  4. If it’s four surgeries every two years, the incidence would actually be roughly four in however many people are born every two years, so not particularly high, but rather higher than 1 in 1 million.

  5. So Much For Subtlety

    As I keep saying, gay people are not a significant proportion of the human population. Transsexuals are not a significant proportion of the non-heterosexual community.

    How the F**k did we end up being intimidated by this trivial whisp of irrelevance?

  6. “How the F**k did we end up being intimidated by this trivial whisp of irrelevance?”

    Have you ever met one, SMFS? I can recall one I knew, the world’s first male to female to male. This person was pretty unnerving, although the medication probably didn’t help. For the first year or so I knew him, he was ostentatiously male – all sharp business suits, salt and pepper hair and briefcase. Didn’t see him him for six months. Next time I did, I walked into a room and saw him in a flower print dress, long blonde hair and heels. The customary Lud aplomb and courtesy got me through the exchange, but still. Sort of thing that throws a chap.

  7. “How the F**k did we end up being intimidated by this trivial whisp of irrelevance?”

    We are not. They are just an excuse for the left’s engine of evil to kick off on the rest of us. As said the left don’t actually give a rat’s arse about the “issues” if trannies. They foam and froth at the mouth it is with hatred of freedom and prosperity and ordinary people who don’t want the Marxist, white-hating sewage they peddle. All mixed in with hatred of middle-class, “respectable” Mummy and Daddy. That is the real fire down below I suspect.

    The front behind which they operate is an irrelevance. If they could get their media pals to kick of about the mockery endured by those Adults who believe Rupert the Bear is Real ( probably nearly as many as there are trans-sexuals) they would.

  8. “issues” of trannies. If they foam and froth at the mouth –etc”

    I should get a Nobel Peace Prize for murdering the English Language.

  9. Bloke in North Dorset

    Well at lest those waiting are getting educated in the difference between positive and negative rights. They may well think they have a right to the surgery at tax payers’ expense, but it looks like nobody has the duty to carry out the work.

  10. Everyone seems to be missing the obvious problem. Doctors aren’t getting paid enough to do the work. The solution is higher taxes to subsidize the doctors. I’m fine with this, as long as the taxes are paid by those who are considering* the services.

    *I would be willing to fork over the dough for just the initial consultation. There are real nutters, as seen in the 1991 documentary, that could receive the help they need.

  11. New Zealand is obviously rather behind the times. The US gives a rather better idea of prevalence.

    http://www.gendercentre.org.au/resources/polare-archive/archived-articles/how-many-of-us-are-there.htm

    “Why they can’t make do with a wearing a frock and a couple of chicken fillets is beyond me.”

    I should think over 90% of them do.

    “I get people coming into my surgery who are convinced they’re Napoleon. But I don’t argue that the NHS should buy them a cocked hat and a French army uniform.”

    Why not? Seems like a pretty cheap treatment, if it works.

    “The socialist shite making all the hoo-ha about this topic don’t give a shit about trannies of any type.”

    True. But they know *you* do, which is what matters. If they can provoke you into a show of prejudice, they can successfully paint right-wingers as ignorant bigots. Win!

    “If some people want to have their genitalia surgically reconfigured and then live as a member of the opposite sex to that of their birth, that’s their choice and I have no objection.”

    Good! That’s the attitude!

    “However, they shouldn’t expect the taxpayer to fund their ‘transition’, provide special public lavatories or make any other special or ‘non-discriminatory’ provisions.”

    Same goes for anything else the NHS funds, yes?

    “Have you ever met one, SMFS?”

    I know at least three, possibly four. (I suspect, but she’s not ‘out’ so I can’t be sure.)

    “Everyone seems to be missing the obvious problem. Doctors aren’t getting paid enough to do the work. The solution is higher taxes to subsidize the doctors. I’m fine with this, as long as the taxes are paid by those who are considering* the services.”

    Me too. So long as *I* can refuse to pay taxes to support any treatment *you* might want that I don’t need or approve of. All or none – that’s the way it works.

  12. “All or none – that’s the way it works.”

    None gets my vote. I don’t care about weirds either but I am not pretending to care while using them as part of a campaign to promote tyranny. Trannies can do what they like with their own cash. But they and their Marxist sponsors are going in the gents if they still have a dick attached.

    Piss off NiB and take your SJW whining with you.

  13. “None gets my vote.”

    Mine too. But we’re both outvoted.

    “But they and their Marxist sponsors are going in the gents if they still have a dick attached.”

    You’re outvoted on that, too.

    “Piss off NiB and take your SJW whining with you.”

    I’m not the SJW; you are. (Or rather, the Authoritarian.)

  14. “The New Zealand government funds three male-to-female surgeries and one male-to-female every two years.”

    Isn’t that like 4 of the same thing?

  15. “Isn’t that like 4 of the same thing?”

    Yes. The Grauniad had a typo (surprise!) – since corrected.

    It now reads:
    “The New Zealand government funds three male-to-female surgeries and one female-to-male every two years.”

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *