Could be it’s just a shit film you know

Is Ghostbusters the unfortunate victim of Hollywood hitting peak reboot?
It’s hard to believe geek culture ‘sexism’ is responsible for all the bad buzz aimed at Paul Feig’s female-fronted remake. Now we need Bill Murray to save the day

24 thoughts on “Could be it’s just a shit film you know”

  1. Have you seen the trailer? If that’s the best/funniest they can manage, I shudder to think how bad the rest of the film is.

  2. One of the many, many charming things about the original Ghostbusters is that everyone smokes ALL the time.

    Lightning/bottle situation. Some films just work to the combo of right cast in the right roles, script, director who knows his onions, studio, etc.

    The new one is trying far, far too hard. I reckon it will be like all the other remakes/reboots and be largely forgotten within 6 months.

    @ Julia – I preferred Magnificent Seven when they were all Samurai.

  3. The biggest problem IMHO is that ‘reboots’ and ‘remakes’ are generally regarded as shit even before they are released. So they’ve got to be exceptional to overcome that hurdle.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    This is a movie from a celebrated film-maker whose previous efforts with stars Melissa McCarthy and Kristen Wiig, Spy and Bridesmaids, are among the best comic efforts to come out of Hollywood in the past few years (ones which have given female-led comedies more commercial clout).

    So you have a film director who can’t do comedy. Two actresses who can’t do comedy. The other two women may be able to. No one knows because no one has seen them act. They are all over 40 except for one who is 32. One of them no sane man even wants to look at.

    How could it be anything but crap? The feminist castration of the film only makes what would be ignorable very public. If you are going to rub everyone’s noses into how unfunny feminists are, people are going to notice. That is not misogyny. That is common sense.

  5. The real problem is that Amy Schumer of Sony really wanted to do a girl superhero film, thought of a director known for women’s comedy (Feig). Feig want that interested but said he’d do it if he had creative control. At this point it’s worth pointing out that directors having creative control is what gave us Heavens Gate and John Carter.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    JuliaM – “I’ll wait until we see how the ‘Magnificent Seven’ reboot does.”

    Will it be made by the people who brought us Brokeback Mountain or will they make Melissa McCarthy and six of her fatter friends get on some rather large horses?

  7. Dan,

    I liked it better when it was in space with John Boy Walton fighting John Saxon 😉

    Just kidding. I actually prefer the Western versions of Seven Samurai and Yojimbo. It’s just easier watching in English and I don’t feel they take anything away from the originals.

    On the other hand, Throne of Blood is my favourite adaptation of Macbeth.

    If you’re interested, Ran (I think the new print) is on iPlayer this week.

  8. BIW

    The problem with reboots is that they are nearly always nothing but a cash in. The ones that worked: The Fly, The Thomas Crown Affair and Oceans Eleven had directors with a bit of muscle that cared about what they were making.

  9. SMFS, seven fat birds galloping about on Clydesdales in the the old West. Yep, I’d pay to see that, just for the lolz.

    Although I suspect PETA would put the mockers on it ever going into production.

  10. Yeah, RAN is pretty much my fave film ever. The DVD gets a spin when I’m in a suitably dramatic mood.

    Fistful is a great movie, but I’ve never gotten along with classic Hollywood westerns like Magnificent Seven. They just seem so stagy and hoky these days. Everyone is too clean!

    Anyway GB – 4 birds chasing ghosts, driving the car, etc could have worked fine if they’d had some decent talent in front of, and behind, the camera. But it seems to be one of those obnoxious, mugging to camera, screamfests that US comedies can turn into without a firm hand somewhere saying ‘No. The original worked because the cast, by and large, were playing it straight.

  11. So Much For Subtlety

    The Stigler – “The problem with reboots is that they are nearly always nothing but a cash in. The ones that worked: The Fly, The Thomas Crown Affair and Oceans Eleven had directors with a bit of muscle that cared about what they were making.”

    The Thomas Crown Affair worked as a reboot? My mind boggles. Admittedly no one was likely to compete with Steve McQueen. And while Rene Russo has never done anything to annoy me, Faye Dunaway she is not. It was pleasant enough but no more.

    Oceans Eleven is an odder film. It reminds me of Frank Sinatra towards the end of his career when he was clearly bored with singing, openly showed he was bored and no longer cared, and yet everyone still went to his shows. You have some over-paid Hollywood actors who could do anything, instead pretend they are cool, but only by going through the motions. Their laziness is what they think is stylish but actually it is just laziness.

    I don’t care for Elliot Gould but I still think he acted rings around Clooney.

    Still on the bright side, they are remaking it with an all-female cast. Oh joy.

    Remakes almost never work. The obvious one is Ben Hur. Hard to think of another. High Society is a fine film but The Philadelphia Story is better. The Prisoner of Zenda that everyone remembers, the one with James Mason, was the third or fourth effort at the book. But I have never seen the others so I don’t know if it was an improvement.

  12. I always liked what Steve Martin said about Dirty Rotten Scoundrels (which was a remake of some ropey David Niven/Marlon Brando ‘comedy’*).

    Something along the lines of “Why re-make a good film? Why not choose a film that had a good idea, but was badly done, and get it right this time’

    *Proving that crap casting is eternal in Hollywood. Who looked at that pair and thought “Yes, good choice for a light comedy”?

  13. It is a low IQ remake that detracts from and exploits the original.

    It is a remake because H’wood has no original ideas left.

    It is female-only because–God knows. Even stupid femmi-suckers shouldn’t–logically–be fond of losing millions.

    The cast are talentless and unattractive either on a physical or even a personal level.

    Apart from that it should be a “smash” indeed. Of Tunguska proportions.

  14. I thought Marty Feldman’s “Positively the last remake of Beau Geste” was prophetic in it’s title. I haven’t see all the Beau Gestes but the Gary Cooper version sticks in my brain.

  15. I suggest that we ban all reboots from any movie that hasn’t been public domain for at least half of its existence. In the time(what is it currently 1400 years?) between social norms will change enough that a reboot would be worth the time.

    When looking specifically at Ghostbusters the biggest fear is that the new version will be worse than the sequel. With no rational targets fans have chosen to use the playground tactic of ‘you shot protons like a girl’ to register their doubts.

  16. The Inimitable Steve

    Recent reboots of 80’s classics don’t inspire much confidence:

    Total Recall – Total Shite
    RoboCop – RoboNotMuchCop
    Fright Night – actually quite good, but it flopped comercially

    The new Ghostbusters looks about as appealing as “The Wiz”.

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    The Inimitable Steve – “Recent reboots of 80’s classics don’t inspire much confidence:”

    Recent reboots, period, don’t. Anyone want to admit to seeing the rebooted Stagecoach? The Country and Western version not the recent re-reboot by Quentin Tarantino. Or the remake of Splendor in the Grass?

    But for Goddam-awfulness, you can’t beat the remake of Roman Holiday. With Tom Conti. No I am not making that up. They had one of the most perfect films of their time and they decided they would remake it with some C Grade clebs. Which is pretty much what they did with Sabrina as well. Even Harrison Ford couldn’t save that turkey.

    Remakes should be banned. For the greater good. The only one that I can think of that has worked was the remake of The Producers but then the original was a great idea but not that funny either.

    But on the other hand, if someone out there works as a producer, I have an idea for remaking Casablanca. With Queen Latifa. Give me a ring.

  18. Remakes/reboots I didn’t mind or even liked, in no particular order::-

    Last Man Standing: Yohimbo in Prohibition-era Texas.
    3:10 to Yuma: hadn’t seen the original, quite liked the remake.
    Outland: High Noon redone as sci-fi with Sean Connery as the marshall.
    Terminator: Genisys: a bit weak, but at least made by someone who knew and loved the originals and delivered some nice fan-service. (Terminator: Salvation, less said the better)
    Nosferatu the Vampyre
    The Magnificent Seven and Battle Beyond the Stars
    Dredd (admittedly starting from a low base – more of the “let’s do this a lot better than the last attempt…)
    The Lord of the Rings trilogy (likewise, Bakshi’s animated effort was a bold but flawed attempt and ended too obviously when the money ran out). Didn’t get on with The Hobbit, though, stretching a slim children’s book into three extended-edition movies just felt wrong and contrived.
    Nolan’s take on Batman worked well for me, certainly much better than Keaton and Clooney’s attempts.

    It can be done, but usually after a long time and seems best done as praise and homage – and there are a lot of misfires along the way. Dan’s point of “take something that could have been interesting but failed, keep the good bits and do it better” is a good one.

    The Conan reboot, for instance, was a moderately competent sword’n’sorcery movie but wandered right away from the Howard stories; other than the name of the protagonist, it was thoroughly generic, while the bonkers but excellent 1981 De Laurentiis version captured much more of Howard’s style and intent.

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