The two worst times for dicks on the New York subway: when the train car is empty or when it’s crowded. As a teenager, if I found myself in an empty car, I would immediately leave – even if it meant changing cars as the train moved, which terrified me. Because, if I didn’t, I just knew the guy sitting across from me would inevitably lift his newspaper to reveal a semihard cock, and even if he wasn’t planning on it, I sure wasn’t going to sit there and worry about it for the whole ride.

I have a feeling that Ms. Valenti might be slightly over egging matters here.

That there are flashers is entirely true. That every New York subway car either contains one or is likely to is probably not.

Quite apart from the fact that an empty subway car will contain no flashers at all.

But I do think we’ve got a good explanation for Ms. Valenti in general here. As above, there are no doubt flashers out there. I would reckon it’s odds on that most (all?) women have been subject to such indignity at some point. But it’s a very very large leap from the occasional nutter flashing numerous women over the years to women believing that men in general are going to do this given the chance. And it’s that leap which I think explains much of Ms. Valenti.

39 thoughts on “Hmm”

  1. Valenti is a marxistic con artist.

    However –if so many male perverts infest New York–what price letting them walk in the Ladies as they like?

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    Rarely do you see such a clear explanation of someone’s delusional state of mind. She hates all heterosexuality and all heterosexual men because of an irrational fear they might expose themselves to her?

    You know it is remarkable I have got to the age I have without doing this once. Not even been tempted. Maybe it is me. Low testosterone or something.

    As usual Stacy McCain has the best thing to say:

    http://theothermccain.com/2016/05/29/new-york-city-is-a-wretched-hive-of-scum-and-villainy-just-ask-jessicavalenti/

  3. If Reality won’t supply her required narrative, make one up. She’ll believe it just as much.

  4. SMFS,

    I suspect it’s some sort of mystic effect of the New York subway that does it to men. I’ve never ridden it and you (I’m guessing here) might not have ridden it enough to be turned in to an evil flasher.

    Clearly, doesn’t apply to the Tube.

    It might be that they replace the ballast on New York lines quite so often (and, in bits of the Tube, it’s antique!)

  5. “However –if so many male perverts infest New York–what price letting them walk in the Ladies as they like?”

    Maybe most won’t have anything left to flash.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    Surreptitious Evil – “I suspect it’s some sort of mystic effect of the New York subway that does it to men.”

    It could be a New York thing. Maybe deviants move there. So start spreading the news. They’re leaving today. They want to show part of it. New York, New York.

    After all, if you can flash it there, you can flash it anywhere.

    Rob – “Maybe most won’t have anything left to flash.”

    And maybe they will. When a reputable university bans the Vagina Monologues because it discriminates against women without vaginas, we are clearly through the looking glass and into another world.

  7. The Inimitable Steve

    Jessica Valenti: my life as a ‘sex object’

    Jessica Valenti: the grandeur of delusion.

    On crowded train cars I didn’t see dicks – I felt them. Pressing into my hip, men pretending that the rocking up against me was just because of the jostling of the train.

    It’s a veritable forest of penises.

    in my family, female suffering is linear: abuse is passed down like the world’s worst birthright, largely skipping the men and marking the women with scars, night terrors (and fantastic senses of humour)

    The sense of humour skipped a generation.

    My aunts and my mom joked about how often it happened to them when they were younger: the man who flashed a jacket open and had a big red bow on his cock; the neighbourhood pervert who masturbated visibly in his window as they walked to school as girls.

    You know… the normal stuff women chat to little girls about.

    But the frequency with which women in my family have been hurt or sexually assaulted starts to feel like a flashing message encoded in our DNA: Hurt. Me.

    The terrifying burden of being a middle class white woman in America. 🙁

    My daughter is five and I want to inoculate her against this.

    Maybe put her up for adoption by a normal family of non-paranoid-hysterics?

    There are online forums for men – because, let’s be real, frotteurs are almost exclusively men – who rub on women and girls on the train, in bars, wherever they can do it while getting off unnoticed.

    They have handles like “Bum Feeler” and “Rock Hard”

    Those usernames are rubbish. I’d choose something truly perverted, like “Alvin Starfish” or “Jarvis Cocker”.

    I started to measure my nose. First with my fingers, which I would try to keep the same distance apart as they were when they were on my face and then bring them over to my mother and her nose to demonstrate just how much bigger mine was compared with hers. She would insist that my nose was smaller – the kind of well-meaning parenting that just inspired fury and distrust.

    Probably would’ve been more convincing if her Mom hadn’t thrown herself to the floor, crying “mind the boom!”, every time young Jessica turned her head.

    But at least I could bear to look. A friend I lived with for a short while had an ID card for work that she was supposed to keep around her neck at all times. To avoid having to look at the picture of herself, she carefully cut a small piece of yellow paper into a square and taped it over her face. Later, I would find plastic bags of vomit hidden underneath her bed

    Aren’t you glad we gave them the vote?

  8. Inimitable Steve,

    A friend I lived with for a short while had an ID card for work that she was supposed to keep around her neck at all times. To avoid having to look at the picture of herself, she carefully cut a small piece of yellow paper into a square and taped it over her face.

    Fancy walking around with a bit of yellow paper stuck to her face. Hope she cut out two peep-holes so she could see where she was going.

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    The Inimitable Steve – “Maybe put her up for adoption by a normal family of non-paranoid-hysterics?”

    How about getting the f**k out of Dodge? Or at least in this case, getting the hell out of New York.

    If this is such a big problem, why not move somewhere nicer? Somewhere, how does one put this politely?, more Episcopalian?

  10. As the article only contains anecdote, let me just say none of my female friends or family have ever been flashed. None live in NYC of course.

    Tokyo metro trains have a couple of carriages designated women only at peak (morning) rush hours, so perhaps it is only in certain cultures.

  11. So Much For Subtlety

    MC – “Tokyo metro trains have a couple of carriages designated women only at peak (morning) rush hours, so perhaps it is only in certain cultures.”

    There was a Japanese computer game where you started out looking down the cleavage of girls on the subway before graduating to mild frotage all the way to full scale rape. I believe it was on sale in the US for about five minutes.

    I am not sure about “certain cultures” but certainly certain cultures deem it more normal than others. Should Ms Valenti move to Republican territory, let’s say small town Mid-West, she might find that the local men frown on this sort of behaviour. Frown on it quite seriously.

    The last time this sort of paranoia broke out over a plump Jewish girl being cat called in the streets, someone had the crass taste to point out all the men were non-White. I notice Ms Valenti is not clear about race. I wonder how the racial incidents break down.

  12. @SMFS:
    “I notice Ms Valenti is not clear about race. I wonder how the racial incidents break down.”

    Clearly noticing the appearance of her tormentors would be racist – all you need to know is that they’re all men and therefore all men are disgusting perverts who lust after our Jess uncontrollably.

  13. I would have thought compulsory re-assignment of her child to be adopted by another family is in order for any who parent calls their daughter Layla FFS?

  14. So Much For Subtlety

    BraveFart – “who …. calls their daughter Layla FFS?”

    One with windows that don’t open? One who lives on the ground floor?

    How naff can you be? Layla was written what? A decade before she was born?

  15. I saw a flasher once: he was a fair distance away. My first thought was “why is that odd fellow waving a small, grubby handkerchief in front of his crotch?” When I realised what he was doing, I looked around to see if there were any women near him. Nope: he must just have been giving it an airing.

  16. A flasher once exposed himself to my wife, and she sighed and said ‘Put that little thing away’, at which point he began to weep.

    Valenti doesn’t grasp that flashers are pitiable inadequates rather than a threat, and that they get their thrills from the hysterical over-reactions of certain women. If women didn’t over-react, most flashers wouldn’t flash.

  17. An elderly neighbour once started masturbating through the fence at my (ex) wife while she was gardening. She picked up the secaturs and made a couple of steps in his direction….he moved so fast inside that he nearly broke the door slamming it. Next time he appeared in the back garden of his place she waved the secaturs at him again,and he basically never went outside the back again (while we were in that house). She was most amused.

  18. This reminds me of the continuous allegations of rape that Andrea Dworkin made throughout her life, including at a time when she was so fat it would be like fucking a rhino, basically a form of hysterical delusion.

    I’m not sure that Ms. Valenti’s allegation even has the mitigation of mental illness to validate it, she’s clearly just a lying cunt with a long history of lying cuntery.

    No doubt she will set her army of Social Justice Warrior White Knights against this place while cackling “Fly my pretties, fly!”

  19. In a search for an image of Jessica’s tits to see what all the fuss was about, I found this critical article and a photo of a rather telling message on her T shirt

  20. Tim Newman,

    “I concluded that there is a section of society which is not completely stupid (but not particularly bright either) who lack the talent, work ethic, and discipline to enter into the professional or corporate environments and attach themselves like parasites to the genuine arts world in order to give themselves some sort of identity – which they then shout from the rooftops in the most childish, crass, and sexually overt manner possible.”

    My general opinion is that lefty hippies fuck up their kids. They raise them as special snowflakes rather than encouraging what’s good in them, never talk sense to them etc. You have systems that push kids to do arts degrees, to follow their dreams in being a photographer and you don’t have parents saying “uh, you know, photography is a job for almost no-one?”. Or they come out and just have no commercial sense. I know a girl with a needlework degree but she’s made no money from it. She could sell stuff on Etsy.

    I know a bloke who is an artist and graphic designer from a non-left background who works 6 day weeks. He does 5 days doing dull graphics work in a corporation and he does a day on weekends doing book illustration stuff that he loves doing.

  21. The Inimitable Steve

    Henry – Lol.

    SMFS – I blame “Sex And The City”.

    John Galt – All joking aside, it would have been nigh physically impossible to rape Andrea Dworkin.

    Here’s some of her rape fanfic as recounted by the gullible gay guy she married:

    One day she came home distraught and told me she had just fought off some young men who accosted her as she was walking on a nearby street and tried to force her into a van. A friend at a local rape crisis centre told her later that women had come in reporting having been raped inside such vans, their rapes videotaped.

    Some questions come to mind, such as:

    * How big was this van? I’m picturing some sort of livestock lorry.

    * How the fuck do you force a 400 lb woman into your rape van, anyway? Was it disguised as an ice cream van? Did they have cattle prods?

    * How thick were the glasses on these would-be rapists?

    * That other women allegedly reported being allegedly raped in the alleged rapemobile brings to mind similarly totally-real and not-at-all hysterical fantasies as told during the Salem witch trials, the Satanic Panic, and the African penis thief crisis. No urban legend is too fucktarded for someone not to want in on the free attention.

    Let’s be completely honest: the vast, vast majority of men would rather bum another bloke than stick it in a fright-wigged feminist who weighs more than a small family car.

  22. The best part was that the Guardian pre-moderated all comments. Not just my usual obnoxious right wing bastard ones, but everyone’s including those of their usual stable of lefty nutjobs

    Must protect Jessica the little snowflake from all of us dink-wagging rapists.

  23. Identity politics breeds paranoia. Instead of treating people as individuals it treats them as representatives of a category – white, black, female, etc. – and then labels each category as oppressors or victims. Anybody who accepts this ideology is obliged to define their own identity in these terms.

    Therefore a woman who sees herself as a victim and who sees all men as oppressors will naturally come to believe that she is surrounded by enemies who can do anything they like to her because of their “privilege”. She will start to interpret everything that any man says or does in the worst possible light because he belongs to an oppressor group and therefore must be evil. The more deeply a person comes to believe in identity politics the more paranoid he or she will become.

    But it is enormously stressful to live in a state of constant siege, even if the enemy is largely imaginary. So they will have sudden outbursts of rage and make wild accusations against any convenient target in order to relieve the constant unbearable pressure. The myths of identity politics literally drive people crazy.

  24. The only appropriate response to flashers is the old Jewish lady’s: “THAT you call a lining?’

  25. “As a teenager, if I found myself in an empty car, I would immediately leave – even if it meant changing cars as the train moved, which terrified me. Because, if I didn’t, I just knew the guy sitting across from me would inevitably lift his newspaper…”

    Terrible! Obviously we need Ladies carriages in which only ladies are allowed to travel! Because all men are perverted exhibitionists and none of them – not a single one! – can be trusted to behave.

    Group A = men. Group B = flashers. We can justify our hatred and persecution of men, daring to enter the same railway carriage as Ms Valenti (and reading a newspaper!), by blurring the lines between ‘men’ and ‘flashers’. The perfectly reasonable dislike of flashers therefore justifies taking measures to restrict the freedom of men. Segregated railway carriages are only logical – who after all would want their teenage daughter to sit alone in a railway carriage that just any sick sexual predator could freely step into?

    Doesn’t that argument sound so familiar?

    “But it’s a very very large leap from the occasional nutter flashing numerous women over the years to women believing that men in general are going to do this given the chance.”

    Is it? There are people who make the same leap from the the occasional Peeping Tom sneaking around in the women’s toilets to believing that men in general are going to do this given the chance.

    I find myself fascinated by the exactness of the parallel between Valenti’s bonkers claims and the arguments recently used by certain MPW hysterics not so far away from here! Tim, did you do that deliberately?

    Most amusing!

  26. My general opinion is that lefty hippies fuck up their kids. They raise them as special snowflakes rather than encouraging what’s good in them, never talk sense to them etc.

    Not in this case: she is the offspring of well-to-do Russian diplomats whose way of life and political views she despises. She proudly mentions she was a goth and rebel as a teenager, and the raging against the parents who gave the best possible start in life continues to this day. She has “daddy issues” written all over her, most of her lifestyle choices seem to be done as an act of rebellion. She’s a lot like Laurie Penny, actually.

    I know a bloke who is an artist and graphic designer from a non-left background who works 6 day weeks. He does 5 days doing dull graphics work in a corporation and he does a day on weekends doing book illustration stuff that he loves doing.

    Indeed. Several weeks back one of the commentators at David Thompson’s said he was an artist who puts in hours and hours and hours every day trying to perfect a technique or get his ideas onto canvas, because he feels he would die if he did otherwise. The “arts” scene I briefly poked my nose into seemed to consist of dressing up in costumes, getting pissed, taking drugs, and shagging each other.

  27. Tim, the “arts” scene you mentioned is a reminder that for many people “being an artist” is more of a lifestyle choice than an activity. For every genuine artist who is serious about creating something of value there are at least ten phonies who just want to be seen as cool and creative without doing any actual work.

  28. Bloke in Costa Rica

    The disintermediating effect of the Internet means that these days if you have genuine talent then you can monetise it. The only people demanding public subsidy are talentless little tapeworms.

  29. Fuck off NiV.

    The same lying marxist femmi-freaks who exaggerate the incidence of white male sex creeps in the general population are equally quick to underestimate –or even attempt to deny the existence of–sex crimes carried out by their dear imported friends with beards. The femmis word can be taken for nothing.

    However because the said hags grotesquely over-estimate sex crime in general does not mean their are no predatory males. Because the tall tales they spread of super-savilised sex fiends who carry on colossal 50-year supposed reigns of terror are a pack of lies does not mean women face zero real dangers from small numbers of men.

    Difficult as it is for an SJW stooge to follow NiV most sex offenders are akin to more ordinary offenders in that few of them–apart from the real loon fringe–want to do their crimes in public places. More danger cos more witnesses/cops/potential interveners etc. Getting dicks out on the train is the chosen methodology of a very few mostly –as Theo says–rather sad and compulsive losers.

    The Ladies bog is a public place but it is a closed off public place–cos people don’t like to be watched while emptying their insides. If Desperate Dan lookalikes can just stroll in to such places than all kinds of funsters can get in there much more easily than before. Better feeding grounds draw more sharks. How difficult is that to follow FFS?

  30. it was Clive James who pointed out that JFK prattled about the arts, but it was Nixon who could play a musical instrument.

    It’s interesting you mention that, because I did ask the question whether any of these artsy types I got involved with played a musical instrument, something which as a minimum would require patience and dedication over several years. Not a single one of them did.

  31. ‘Naming what is happening to us, telling the truth about it – as ugly and uncomfortable as it can be – means that we want it to change. That we know it is not inevitable. I want the line of my mother and grandmother, that world’s worst birthright of violations, to stop here.’

    Anyone that can write this paragraph in wholly unironic fashion needs to be sent to Eastern Syria post haste to get a grip on reality….

    The rest of the article was so self-obsessed I skipped to this trying in vain to find anything at all revealing – nothing – dull narcissistic claptrap enlivened only by the knowledge I knew it would bring the customary commentary from the Inimitable Steve – how does this woman draw a salary for this shit?

  32. how does this woman draw a salary for this shit?

    Because far too many people are ‘educated’ beyond the level of their intelligence?

  33. “However because the said hags grotesquely over-estimate sex crime in general does not mean their are no predatory males.”

    Trying to have it both ways?

    It doesn’t mean there are no flashers, either. Same logic.

    Exact same logic.
    🙂

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