Lindy West tells us she’s big bonedMay 9, 2016 Tim WorstallFeminism43 Comments In this modern world we all are exactly and only what we say we are. previousThe TJN really pisses me off at timesnextThe Daily Mail really are cards, aren’t they? 43 thoughts on “Lindy West tells us she’s big boned” So Much For Subtlety May 9, 2016 at 8:15 am Clearly any man who doesn’t immediately get an erection at the sight of this babe is a hater and a bigot. It wouldn’t matter so much if there was the slightest chance she was a nice person and pleasant to be around. The Inimitable Steve May 9, 2016 at 9:31 am So was Free Willy. JuliaM May 9, 2016 at 9:34 am No, a titanosaur is ‘big boned’… The Inimitable Steve May 9, 2016 at 9:35 am They say her cankle bones are like dinner plates. Jim May 9, 2016 at 9:35 am Years ago I went to one of those Von Hagens plasticised corpses exhibitions. And the one thing that struck me the most was how small the body is, when you remove the fat. Regardless of how tall or muscular the individual was, the frame is never that big. Certainly nothing like hers for sure. Rob May 9, 2016 at 10:05 am Funny how her bones get bigger the more cakes she stuffs in her mouth. Ian Reid May 9, 2016 at 10:09 am Uhm. You could write a book about her book. The person with the biggest issue with her size is clearly her, but she can never admit that. Mr Ecks May 9, 2016 at 10:19 am It is her right to be the size of a house if she likes. The issue is the demand from her and all the other members of the Girl’s Lard-Arse Legion that they be regarded as attractive. Be as fat as you like but if be prepared to be told “not interested”– And don’t whine. Luis Enrique May 9, 2016 at 11:24 am doesn’t she actually say that she prefers to be called fat and dislikes euphemisms like big? para begins “I dislike “big” as a euphemism …” I rather agree with her, I think many people are hateful towards fat women, really nasty. Our society really is hung up on looks, making life miserable for lots of people, if she is capable of shrugging that off and being fat and happy, good for her I say. Dongguan John May 9, 2016 at 11:34 am She looks like a gigantic version of Christina Applegate which has just ruined my Kelly Bundy fantasy. Damn you! Dongguan John May 9, 2016 at 11:38 am It’s clear from the article pictures that when she was a kid she wasn’t ‘fat’ she was ‘big’. Now she’s fucking obese and it’s not because she was destined to be. The Thought Gang May 9, 2016 at 12:34 pm Yeah… she’s massive and that’s likely part choice and part her biology. As one of those permanently thin types who eats what he wants and doesn’t do heaps of excerise I’m able to accept that we’re all dealt different biological hands and some of us do have systems that get rid of cake before it settles in to life on the hips. But whilst she is somewhere off the scale (good for the scale, I say) I think it’s important to remember that the pressure on average women to be thinner is, as far as I can tell, almost exclusively put on by other women. Certainly so once schooldays are over. It’s the Scarlett Johannson vs Kiera Knightly thing.. few men of sound mind would choose the scratchy rake over the (admittedly unusually pleasant of face) bundle of bounce. Van_Patten May 9, 2016 at 12:42 pm We do have one reason to be grateful to Lindy West: She always elicits a contribution from the inimitable Steve! The article itself has slumped me over my desk it is so tedious and self-obsessed. No wonder the Guardian is going to the wall if this is the best it can come up with…. Bloke In Cyprus May 9, 2016 at 1:11 pm The ‘perfect body’ is a lie. I believed it for a long time and let it shrink my life I beg to differ…. Rob May 9, 2016 at 1:16 pm Could this be the same Guardian forever wailing about the “Obesity Crisis” and demanding taxes on food? Roue le Jour May 9, 2016 at 1:20 pm That red and white stripe reminds me of something… Mr Ecks May 9, 2016 at 1:20 pm “I rather agree with her, I think many people are hateful towards fat women, really nasty.” Strange then Zorro that I and just about everybody else manage to go entire decades without insulting fat women. When fat women step up and start whining that they should have the same treatment as women who don’t stuff their faces …because socialist equo-bullshit– then I get angry. The photos of West as a kid (with the POS article) don’t show her as being that fat. She starts to look chunky in the “surly teen” type photo. She has a choice to make the best of herself or not. The wicked and outrageous demand–born of the evil of socialism–that she can be as corpulent, ugly, shrill and unpleasant as she likes but unearned rewards (the attraction /emotional involvement of others) MUST still be hers because she has a scummy leftist sense of entitlement as big as she is–that is what enrages. So Much For Subtlety May 9, 2016 at 1:39 pm The “perfect body” is a lie. Maybe so. But there is a spectrum with the perfect body at one end of it. And as cruel as it may be to accept, men’s blood flow cares. More blood will flow to the correct places for some bodies than for others. Luis Enrique – “I think many people are hateful towards fat women, really nasty. Our society really is hung up on looks, making life miserable for lots of people, if she is capable of shrugging that off and being fat and happy, good for her I say.” I agree that if she is capable of being fat and happy, all power to her. But she clearly isn’t as her article is one long cry for help. For some reason the Left thinks that women’s mental health issues are good copy. We are not nasty to fat women. If we were they would not be fat. We enable fat women. We tolerate it. We pretend we like it. We suffer in silence. We should be more hung up on looks. If not for the better health – mental and physical – of the fatties themselves, then for the improvement of social aesthetics so we won’t have to look at them any more. This woman’s problems would go away if she lost a hell of a lot of weight, found a good man who loved her, and had three children. From that failure all the rest follows. bloke in france May 9, 2016 at 1:47 pm Well done everyone who understood the article. Like VP I couldn’t make head or tail of it. Her head is off the charts; are kids fitted for top hats these days? She was a big girl? Do shops refuse to sell 13-15 clothes to 8 year olds? Dennis the Peasant May 9, 2016 at 1:59 pm Ms. West… Put down the fork slowly and step back from the buffet. I know it’s mean, but I just couldn’t resist. Besides, I don’t really care about Lindy West’s traumatic life… We all have our personal cross to bear, and I prefer said crosses to be borne quietly. Ian Reid May 9, 2016 at 2:15 pm @SMFS She got married http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jul/21/my-wedding-perfect-fat-woman There are some chubby chasers out there. Gamecock May 9, 2016 at 2:32 pm What’s she drinking? Alien urine? Tim Newman May 9, 2016 at 2:59 pm She got married I think it was Chateau Heartiste who rather cruelly speculated that this gay chap will be off like a shot once he’s got his green card. Wiggia May 9, 2016 at 4:05 pm Sounds like a fun person….at her wedding day……. I got my period; it poured after a month of uninterrupted sunshine, then abruptly stopped just as we emerged from the tent to dance And I was fat as hell the whole time. Difficult act to follow Gamecock May 9, 2016 at 5:17 pm Bloaty McBloatface Johnnydub May 9, 2016 at 9:29 pm “I rather agree with her, I think many people are hateful towards fat women, really nasty.” As SMFS says – bollocks. This isn’t about her being fat. Its about us being forced to lie to her – that she is super attractive and we wouldn’t prefer a nice slim girl… no no no… we want a fat whiner with no self control. She’s just bitter that she doesn’t get (male attention) that she thinks she deserves… And thus we are at the heart of modern feminism.. overbearing self entitlement. So Much For Subtlety May 9, 2016 at 11:45 pm Ian Reid – “She got married” Some people are so deep in the closet their postcode is in Narnia. John square May 10, 2016 at 7:49 am “Society’s monomaniacal fixation on female thinness…” The only monomania on display about fatness is hers. No one else gives a toss. Also: that article was worse than a Valenti column. It’s almost worth banning sugar if it gets the fat women to stop writing drivel like that. Interested May 10, 2016 at 10:05 am The other side is more irritating to me. My teenaged daughters are over six feet tall and around 65kg and eat like fucking horses, and I don’t mean hay. I mean they would outdo the average cage fighter, or prop, and they don’t exercise much either. And they get loads of snide shit from fat birds about how much they must be dieting or why can’t they be ‘normal’ and how shapes like theirs are ‘unfair’ to other women. Pisses me off. I wish they fucking would diet, it would save me a fortune. Gene Berman May 10, 2016 at 3:40 pm Big-boned? Yeah, obviously. Boned? Prolly not (and almost as obviously)! NiV May 10, 2016 at 9:57 pm It’s another of those ‘liberty’ things again… The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. […] The only part of the conduct of any one, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign. There’s this commonly believed myth that being fat is caused by being weak-willed / greedy / eating too much, and a moral failing, and therefore anyone who is fat is fair game for insults, contempt, and attempts at coercion “for their own good”. Actually in most cases it’s just a body type. Different people are different shapes. Some people are tall and thin; some people are short and wide. It’s not that the tall people got that way because they ate too much. Nor is there anything wrong with it. But the myth persists. The bit that bothers me about it is that the lack of sympathy for them makes them fair game for the authoritarians. It is as if I was to comment to a friend on the sad sight of smokers huddled outdoors in doorways on a cold and rainy night, because they’re banned from the pub by the jackbooted health nazis, and for them to reply “Yeah, but they stink. I don’t want them in here, fugging the atmosphere up. I’ve got no sympathy.” Or as the government introduce universal internet monitoring and compulsory nanny software in the fight against porn ever again falling into the hands of teenaged boys, they were to comment “Yeah, but those tissues they leave under the bed are disgusting, the dirty wankers. Yuck!” You’re free to believe that, of course, but it makes me feel dirty to stand next to someone who thinks their personal likes and dislikes regarding other people’s habits are more important than someone else’s freedom – someone who thinks the smokers are somehow more disgusting than the people making them stand outside. Anyway. Rather unusually for a Guardian article, it wasn’t actually calling for anyone to be banned from calling other people fat. Rather refreshingly, it was suggesting that fat people ought to grow a spine, ignore what society thinks or says, and be proud of their shape. Instead of coercing others into not giving offence, instead simply to not take offence, and become a stronger and more self-confident person. Good choice. Not that anyone here noticed, of course. We’re all too busy being offended that someone has a different opinion to them about whether being fat is a good thing to be, and that they’ve had the temerity to tell us so, and what they think of our idiotic opinions, in public. SJWs are only one of many flavours, it seems. Gamecock May 10, 2016 at 10:07 pm ‘There’s this commonly believed myth that being fat is caused by being weak-willed / greedy / eating too much’ Eat zero calories a day, and you will lose weight. It’s not rocket surgery. ‘The bit that bothers me about it is that the lack of sympathy for them’ Because people tell us ‘it’s not their fault’, ‘it’s just a body type’, ‘it’s the fructose’ , blah blah blah. Stupid excuses for what is OBVIOUS. NiV May 10, 2016 at 10:48 pm “Eat zero calories a day, and you will lose weight.” And then you’ll die. For that matter, you can do the same thing by not eating/drinking any water. Since about 60% of the body is water, and it’s absorbed/excreted much more quickly, you can lose weight even faster by reducing water intake than by reducing calories. Actually doing so is fucking stupid, of course. But whatever. I still think the liberty argument is more important than arguing about the biology. If smokers gave up smoking, they could come and sit inside the pub. So no problem, right? Gamecock May 11, 2016 at 1:12 am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqKp7cMShV4 Gamecock May 11, 2016 at 1:13 am ‘For that matter, you can do the same thing by not eating/drinking any water.’ So you agree then if you eat less you will lose weight. So Much For Subtlety May 11, 2016 at 1:35 am NiV – “There’s this commonly believed myth that being fat is caused by being weak-willed / greedy / eating too much, and a moral failing, and therefore anyone who is fat is fair game for insults, contempt, and attempts at coercion “for their own good”. Actually in most cases it’s just a body type.” Is there no limit to what you will deny to push your rather odd view of the world? Being fat is a direct result of eating too much. How that fat presents itself to the rest of the world can vary according to body type – more fat on a tall frame will look less bad than the same amount of fat on a short stocky person. But that is a different issue. “It’s not that the tall people got that way because they ate too much. Nor is there anything wrong with it. But the myth persists.” Height is directly related to diet. The myth persists because it is true. In this case a perfect nice looking young girl ate herself into obese hideousness. Why should the rest of us respect this cry for help? “You’re free to believe that, of course, but it makes me feel dirty to stand next to someone who thinks their personal likes and dislikes regarding other people’s habits are more important than someone else’s freedom – someone who thinks the smokers are somehow more disgusting than the people making them stand outside.” No one is calling for her to be arrested, thrown into prison and fed only bread and water until she is down to 70 kgs. She is perfectly free to eat herself to death. The rest of us are equally free to refuse to be blamed for it and to point out that she is doing it to herself. If anyone here called for a ban on sugary drinks I missed it. “Not that anyone here noticed, of course.” We are like Pavlov’s dogs. We have heard the Guardians little bell too often for any other response. NiV May 11, 2016 at 7:09 am “Being fat is a direct result of eating too much.” Which is a direct result of what? As Tim has pointed out several times, people are eating *less* today than they used to. And yet they say people are still getting fat. It’s not that simple. ” If anyone here called for a ban on sugary drinks I missed it.” No, you just provided the *justification* for the ban on sugary drinks. They can only get away with it because nobody has any sympathy for fat people. PF May 11, 2016 at 9:07 am Height is directly related to diet. Height is far more directly related to genetics (hereditary). Being fat is a direct result of eating too much. Which is a direct result of what? It doesn’t matter, the first statement is sufficient. I don’t actually care what the cause is – mental, metabolism or whatever. If a fatter person wants to weigh less and is sufficiently determined and motivated, they can and will – to some extent. If they don’t want to, then that’s fine, it’s their body – in that respect I don’t disagree with the rest of your narrative, it should be a free world. Gamecock May 11, 2016 at 3:21 pm Height is far more directly related to genetics (hereditary). Sorry, it’s not. Being tall is a sign of not laboring as a child. Ever noticed that the oldest kids in a large family are the shortest? Same genes. Kids tend to schlep their little brothers and sisters around. Work load on growth plates limits growth. Gamecocks advice: don’t let your kids pick up anything heavy – including little sis – until they have stopped growing. NiV May 11, 2016 at 9:39 pm “Height is far more directly related to genetics (hereditary).” Yep. So is weight. The main correlates of body weight are genetics and age. It’s not noticeably correlated to how much you eat. “It doesn’t matter, the first statement is sufficient. I don’t actually care what the cause is – mental, metabolism or whatever. If a fatter person wants to weigh less and is sufficiently determined and motivated, they can and will – to some extent.” Agreed. I was talking about the typical *cause* of people being fat. That there are other things that can cause weight change doesn’t change that. Body weight and energy use is controlled subconsciously by the body, like any other biochemical system. If people are fat, it’s because that’s what the body is set to maintain. You can move it by making a conscious effort – in the same way you can reduce your blood oxygen level by holding your breath – but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to do so. A million years of evolution probably has a better idea of what weight you ought to be than some bubble-head fashion magazine writers, (or a bunch of neo-puritan health nazis). But it’s a free country (or ought to be) – if people want to lose weight, it’s their bodies. “If they don’t want to, then that’s fine, it’s their body – in that respect I don’t disagree with the rest of your narrative, it should be a free world.” Agreed. And that’s my point. It’s none of anyone else’s business. And making people feel bad about their normal body shape is just being rude, and makes them vulnerable to the bansturbators. Gamecock May 12, 2016 at 3:33 am By third grade, kids know how big you are is a function of how much you eat. Too big? Eat less. Fat people have made a choice, that they would rather eat more and be big, than to eat less and be the same size as everyone else. Their feedback system has failed. A flurry of excuses changes nothing. Eat a thousand calories a day, and you will lose weight. Nutrisystem works. Or eat 4,000 a day, and stay big. Your choice. But remember, everyone knows gluttony when they see it. NiV May 12, 2016 at 7:40 pm “By third grade, kids know how big you are is a function of how much you eat.” Yeah. They also know that socialism works, that the government is here to help, and that we’re all doomed due to global warming. So what? “Fat people have made a choice, that they would rather eat more and be big, than to eat less and be the same size as everyone else.” Yes. And that’s the sane and sensible choice. “Their feedback system has failed.” No. Their feedback system is working perfectly. It’s just not set to the currently fashionable body shape. But that’s fashion’s problem, not nature’s. “Eat a thousand calories a day, and you will lose weight.” And then you’ll die. This is called “starvation”. Humanity has a long experience with it, but it’s normally considered a bad thing. “Or eat 4,000 a day, and stay big.” That’s not how it works. Fat people eat the same, on average, as thin people. There is a fundamental confusion here between a quantity and the *rate of change* of that quantity. A fat person can eat 2000 Calories, burn 2000 Calories, and stay the same weight – fat. A thin person can eat 2000 Calories, burn 2000 Calories, and stay the same weight – thin. They both eat exactly the same amount, but different weights result. And virtually *everybody* – fat people and thin ones – eats almost exactly the same amount of energy as they burn, to an accuracy within about 0.5%. (Which is remarkable given that the Calorific content of many foods can vary by more than 10%. That’s only possible with precise feedback control.) The variability in energy consumed/used between people of the same weight is far larger than the difference in the averages between fat and thin people. It is simply NOT TRUE that fat people eat more. There was an experiment they did once at Vermont State prison where they paid volunteers to over-eat, in an attempt to study the medical effects of obesity as it occurred. It was found that the subjects gained about 10-20%, and then hit a wall. They found it very difficult to make themselves eat more, and even when they did, their metabolism went into overdrive to burn it all off. One participant was eating 10,000 Calories per day, and *not* gaining any weight! The feedback mechanism *works*. You are the size you are because that’s what your biology dictates. And while it’s possible to force changes in it with a restricted diet – like holding your breath to reduce blood oxygen level – you’re basically fighting nature. It’s bad for your health, and feels very uncomfortable. It’s entirely unnecessary, except to satisfy the dictates of society. It’s just another one of those very common ‘health panics’, like the fear of artificial pesticides in foods, or saturated fats. They’re very appealing to something in the human psyche. PF May 12, 2016 at 9:02 pm GC Height is far more directly related to genetics (hereditary). Sorry, it’s not. Not my area of expertise at all, but I can’t find a single study on the internet that doesn’t confirm that well over 50% (for Europeans generally ~80% plus or minus?) of what determines height as being influenced by genetics (ie environment being the balance)? Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.