So many damn porkie piecesMay 22, 2016 Tim WorstallTimmy Elsewhere34 CommentsDavid Cameron’s Talking Nonsense When He Says Brexit Will Raise Food Prices previousRitchie must really hate himselfnextPerhaps some work to do as yet? 34 thoughts on “So many damn porkie pieces” So Much For Subtlety May 22, 2016 at 1:21 pm So he is saying it is a good thing because it will reduce obesity rates? Isn’t it now SJW policy to increase the price of food via soda taxes and the like? jgh May 22, 2016 at 1:54 pm I’ve seen Remainers argue that Brexit will both reduce house prices and increase UK wages. Double Whammy! Where do I sign? I’m more and more convinced the Remain campaign are secret Brexiters. Matthew May May 22, 2016 at 3:39 pm Is Forbes still loading malware onto viewers sites when they turn the adblocker off? Not a great link. Bernie G. May 22, 2016 at 3:52 pm Harriet Harman was a classic on this morning’s Daily Politics. She appeared to believe the Europeans would put tariffs on the food our imports, making our weekly journey to the supermarket so much more expensive. The girl is a retard. Like they’d up the price of their tomatoes and lose one of their principal markets. Bernie G. May 22, 2016 at 3:56 pm Harriet Harman was a classic on this morning’s Daily Politics. She appeared to believe the Europeans would put tariffs on the food that Britain imports, making our weekly journey to the supermarket so much more expensive. The girl is deluded. As if they would up the price of tomatoes and lose one of their principal markets. Bernie G. May 22, 2016 at 3:57 pm I could spend all afternoon revising my posts. Jim May 22, 2016 at 4:29 pm “She appeared to believe the Europeans would put tariffs on the food that Britain imports, making our weekly journey to the supermarket so much more expensive. ” I’m sorry, did she really say that? She does realise which country puts the tariff on an import doesn’t she? John miller May 22, 2016 at 6:56 pm The BBC is now in full EU propaganda mode, using even the news programmes to tell us to vote for the sodding thing. Mr Ecks May 22, 2016 at 7:13 pm Every lying sack of shit in the world etc… They are over egging the pudding. And showing their fear. It is not down to propaganda. It is down to how many morons there are out there who are looking to count their peanuts in or out rather than stand up for freedom regardless. dearieme May 22, 2016 at 7:40 pm I’ve always been of the “Hang Blair” tendency, but I’m tempted to add “Hang Cameron”. So Much For Subtlety May 22, 2016 at 7:46 pm Not exactly on topic, but I think this is my favourite headline for the year: Woman climbs Mount Everest to prove vegans aren’t weak, dies https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-55952.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter+dlvrit+rss Thanks to Instapundit. So I am waiting for Cameron to claim that climbing Everest depends on EU membership Alex May 22, 2016 at 7:47 pm Seriously this is the beginning of the end for Cameron. There are enough economically literate Conservative voters who can spot his nonsense and no matter which way they vote in the referendum they will not trust him in future. jgh May 22, 2016 at 8:09 pm “I’m sorry, did she really say that? She does realise which country puts the tariff on an import doesn’t she?” She doesn’t know what she’s talking about, but you can put tariffs on exports, making it more expensive for your foreign customers to buy products from your native producers, so kicking your native producers in the nadds, and you can put tariffs on imports, so making it more expensive for your native consumers to buy foreign products, so kicking your native consumers in the nadds. Gareth May 22, 2016 at 8:14 pm Is anyone keeping a list? Terrible things Brexit will cause: Higher wages. Cheaper houses. Higher returns for savers. More competitive exports. More control over border policies. More accountability in Westminster. Brexit is the last few Conservative manifestos made real. Chris Miller May 22, 2016 at 8:32 pm @Gareth But you forgot WW3. OMG we’re all going to DIE!!!! etc etc Daedalus May 22, 2016 at 9:45 pm I wanted David Davis as the next leader of the conservatives. When Cameron said he was the heir to Bliar, I really started to worry. Now he’s proved he is. A total mendacious, sycophantic, pleonectic tw*t. So Much For Subtlety May 22, 2016 at 9:56 pm The boss of the NHS is now claiming Brexit will cause us all to die of Cancer. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603409/Brexit-jeopardise-lives-30-000-cancer-patients-mental-health-services-drugs-day-day-healthcare-warns-impartial-NHS-boss.html A lot of people are invested in a victory for Brussels. Blue Eyes May 22, 2016 at 10:14 pm Tim we have the double whammy of the CAP, as you point out, and the external tariff which adds 26% to the cost of importing food from outside the EU. So those Kenyan green beans and Peruvian asparagus cost 26% more than they would otherwise because of the French et al. In the Telegraph this weekend there was a story about a leaked government paper about how the EU-Mercosur trade talks were breaking down because the French et al don’t want cheaper food to be brought in from South America. So Cameron is wrong in three different ways. And we are supposed to agree with him? Roue le Jour May 23, 2016 at 1:26 am Cameron behaves like someone who’s own future completely depends on a remain vote desperately trying to convince the voters that theirs does as well. Tel May 23, 2016 at 11:27 am Cameron’s finished now even if Remain wins. He’s a traitor, and will go down in history along with Heath and Major as fifth columnists. Even Steve Hilton has now come out in favour of Brexit. Arnald May 23, 2016 at 7:24 pm It is ridiculous, isn’t it? Cameron and Osborne are desperate. Even the Opposition is doing better at this, despite being all over the place, probably because they know the Tories are even more all over the place. Referenda are always like this. That’s why they’re useless as a ‘democratic’ tool. For a start, who the fuck really knows what any of it means? It’s not a simple choice. I don’t really think the outies are any better. Their scare stories are old and boring, and with buffoons like Farage and Johnson in full view of the public, they really don’t help short of fanning the flames of ‘they is foreign and hands of our banana shapes’ – ‘it’s the Soviet Union all over again!’ Or Johnson’s Godwin. FFS. But for Cameron there was never a good time in the term to appease the referendalists. Early, maybe he and Osborne can shrug a leadership bid and try and use the Election in a few years to re-unify against whatever Labour have got left. For a bit. I’m an in, myself (blah blah North Korea etc), and that’s because I’m European. Arnald May 23, 2016 at 7:33 pm Rees-Mogg on Ch4 news has just likened the choice as being equal to the outcome of the Battle of Hastings. Maybe exiters should do a re-enactment on Senlac Hill where that very English Harold Godwinson kicks the nuts of the French bastards. Pcar. May 23, 2016 at 8:16 pm @Tel, May 23, 2016 at 11:27 am “Cameron’s finished now even if Remain wins. He’s a traitor, and will go down in history along with Heath and Major as fifth columnists.” If Osborne succeeds Cameron I can see Labour, even with Corbyn, winning in next GE .Not because more support Labour, but a repeat of 1997 when Conservatives stayed at home rather than vote for treacherous Major. Major lost my support when he appointed loser Kinnock as our EU commissar. The two stooges latest claim of recession & unemployment is irresponsible as it may become a self-fulfilling prophesy. Vote Leave BREXIT The Movie Patrick Minford Blue Eyes May 23, 2016 at 9:58 pm I cannot support Osborne as the next leader after all of this lying and bullshitting. Today’s “forecast” omits to forecast what might happen under the most plausible exit scenario. Even the worst case scenario sets out a mild slowdown, and yet it is presented as a potential crisis. They can lie as much as they want, but they won’t have my support after. PF May 23, 2016 at 10:11 pm I’m an in, myself (blah blah North Korea etc), and that’s because I’m European. Interesting – I’ve never yet heard anyone (in real life) say that they are European. Brits (of all flavours), ex pats, Italians, French, Belgians, Germans, Austrians, plus quite a few that are “off the scale” barkingly left – not one (in real life) has ever self described as “European”? N Korea – that is a joke, right..:) If Osborne succeeds Cameron He won’t Anecdotal I accept, but the Brexit Tory members I know (as in voting members – and Brexiters are easily a majority of Tory members) are 100% determined that after this, then – whatever the referendum result – both he and Cameron are toast. Osborne has no chance. Mr Ecks May 23, 2016 at 11:40 pm “I’m an in, myself (blah blah North Korea etc), and that’s because I’m European.” Its because you are a treasonous little turd Arnie–who would do anything to serve your rotten cause of socialistic tyranny. And as for battles–whatever happened you wouldn’t have been there. Denunciation of the disarmed is the socialist way. Arnald May 24, 2016 at 1:46 pm PF Do you subscribe to the idea of a global economy? Have the majority of treaties between nation states helped that cause? Is it not a tenet of globalisation that there should be free access to all for all players in the global market? People cannot argue in favour of globalisation, as Worstall does, without subscribing to international conditions. If folk on here that live and work in Europe, enjoying their Europeaness, can’t stand the idea of the EU, aren’t they just being a twat in a castle refusing everything, just like Ecks? It’s shades of grey, isn’t it? I have blood relationships from all over the place, I’m English first, naturally, (unlike Ecks who’s a nothing) but it is only the thick that can’t understand how geography works. A lot of outists like to think of themselves as transatlantians. Who are the deluded there? Again, I don’t subscribe to the Cameron/Osborne faux fire and brimstone rubbish, I’m not going to be weeping if the ref is basically 50-50 which they usually are, but I disagree that exit is milk and honey: a magic bullet for Englishness – that’s the Farage angle, and at least he’s stuck to his gobshite, unlike fucking Johnson. I’m not too sure why the Europhiles on here are so anti being European. I can understand Ecks and So Shit He’s Worthless, because they are psychotic, but really, there are enough Blokes in… to create a pack of cards. It’s not hard to be European, it’s an identity, it makes it possible for someone to pick and choose which bits of Europe they want feel affinity with. Worstall is the unpatriotic one, Eckshole, arguing for something that, in total, makes us less than we are now. And Ecks, forgetting your vision of an ideal society (beautiful youths toting machine guns and having no restrictions to stamp out everyone else), how does your stance make you patriotic? Surely you are the enemy within? Saying that, you probably don’t even know where England is. PF May 24, 2016 at 2:40 pm Arnald If folk on here that live and work in Europe, enjoying their Europeaness, can’t stand the idea of the EU, aren’t they just being a twat in a castle refusing everything I’m a big fan of Europe. I’ve worked in different countries (for all the frustrations), love skiing there, and lots more. But I draw a very clear distinction between Europe and the (political) EU, which in my opinion is a worthless and corrupt institution. Actually, I can’t even begin to do justice to criticising it properly on a post like this. I see little value in the EU in its unreformed condition. The period over the last decade or two has demonstrated that reform might only be achieved (if at all) by some substantial shock event (and unbelievably even 2008 wasn’t enough!). I have blood relationships from all over the place Yep, and quite a few of the people I was describing earlier are similarly mixed continental blood and all that. They usually say “I’m half this / half that” or whatever. It’s not hard to be European, it’s an identity I was genuinely interested that you identified yourself in that way, as I have not come across it before “in the flesh”. but I disagree that exit is milk and honey I couldn’t agree more? Short term shocks at the very minimum. For me, this is essentially about British democracy and sovereignty. Immigration and things like that are all red herrings, as any (elected) government of the day will have policies relating to all sorts of things, and on which they will be duly elected or otherwise kicked out. It’s the “duly elected” bit, and by us (a demos), that is the point. And none of that need stop lots of friendly cooperation with “Europe” (and elsewhere) on all sorts of issues? I’m a big optimist in that respect. I’m not too sure why the Europhiles on here are so anti being European. Are you sure you don’t mean anti-EU? PF May 24, 2016 at 2:43 pm Sorry, I missed your point on Global Economy etc. I don’t see how the EU needs to be relevant to our ability to be open to the world, indeed a lot more open than we currently are by virtue of being stuck within the EU? Mr Ecks May 24, 2016 at 2:53 pm The only reason you suck the EU’s dick Arnie is because they are tyrannical socialist scum just like you. Now that the working classes arewise to your cock-rot and thus are despised by middle-class CM sludge like you the EU is your last chance for the kind of regressive tyranny you want. Win or lose Brexit the EU will fall and the eurotrash burghers will burn.. Now get back to work before the other burgers burn. Arnald May 24, 2016 at 7:24 pm FFS Ecks, your so-called cultural Marxism means fuck all. It’s just lazy speak for “things other people think and do that I don’t like”. Anyway, you haven’t answered my question: how is being anti-everything make you some sort of shining light of patriotism? Do you really feel so oppressed that you’re willing to come out of hiding and gun down some functionary in Strasbourg? Don’t tell me you haven’t thought of it. Mr Ecks May 25, 2016 at 10:05 am We won’t need to gun anybody Arnie–if they fuck off and leave us alone. Vote Leave son–you will just have time on your break. You know it makes sense. Arnald May 25, 2016 at 3:38 pm But you see, Ecks, leave what? The state will still be stopping you smoking in a baby’s face, you’ll still have to wear a seat belt and bed & breakfast owners will still get prosecuted if they discriminate against gays. “Taking control of our ability to make laws” still means some unelected civil servant will be involved with the process, along with unelected legal folk. You still won’t be able to walk down the high street toting a machine gun and telling people how to dress. It’s a false choice, the UK will not be emancipated from whatever “yoke” you invoke. Mr Ecks May 26, 2016 at 9:45 pm EU termination is only the beginning Numb-Nuts. If there is to be a future you and your gang will have to be put down. Metaphorically if possible. Literally if not. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.