What an odd statement

Urging obese and abused people to delay conception sends a message that some babies shouldn’t be born

I thought Zoe Williams supported abortion rights?

10 thoughts on “What an odd statement”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    If the state has to pay the costs for people having children, then the state will want a say in how, where and when those children are produced. Not to mention, by whom.

    Why would anyone think any different?

    Like any farmer they will want the most cost-effective flock possible by making sure that children with health problems are not brought into the world and the best possible children are born.

    This seems remarkably anodyne all things considered. It could be so much worse. And women’s rights to choose stops the moment that it affects other people – like the tax payers. The solution is to go the whole hog and regulate reproduction or to get the state out of the nursery. We are not going to do the latter so we are going to edge slowly towards the former. It is and always has been inherent in Social Democracy.

  2. I sneeze in threes

    From the comments,

    “The term “People” is used to cover trans men who have not fully transitioned yet and can still get pregnant.”

  3. “The baby is framed here as a triathlon or exam; some arduous, worthy task that only the superior achieve.”

    The truly astonishing thing here Zoe is that the as yet unconceived baby is being framed – by you no less – as, well, as a BABY. That is, a thing of beauty and joy and WORTH. The clear inference you argue is that even the merest suggestion of ascribing any less worth than that is some evil. Of course, once conception has taken place then it be eerily a collection of cells, an unviable hindrance to be disposed of as the mother chooses.

    Thank you for your guidance on this, you colossus of logic and ethics.

  4. The truly astonishing thing here Zoe is that the as yet unconceived baby is being framed – by you no less – as, well, as a BABY.

    When to you think the full implication of that dawns on her?

  5. No, no; it’s code. What Williams means is, ‘…sends a message that some lifestyles are good, and others, for example the self-indulgent, hedonistic, or just plain lazy, are bad’.

    The ‘pregnancy’ thing is just another hook on which to hang an other otherwise-identical piece extolling the Guardian Gospel of the Self Above All.

  6. It’s no longer polite to say that the race should be improved by stopping the underclass from breeding, so advocates tie themselves in knots trying to find an acceptable underclass to target with essentially the same message.

  7. No, they need to hurry up and make the baby. From 01.04.17 ( which effectively means 01.07.16 for shagging purposes ) a maximum of two children are permitted on new child tax credit claims.
    This isn’t getting enough publicity and there will be several bad cases later this year of the welfare state ( or lack of it ) influencing peoples decisions to take a child to term, because ‘nobody told me’, and ‘why me’.

  8. “The term “People” is used to cover trans men who have not fully transitioned yet and can still get pregnant.”

    What?

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