And so it starts

What does that say? Three things come to mind. First, that this was clearly a political attack. It is hard to disassociate what she believed in from her death.

Second, I hope it makes people realise that politics is an honourable activity worthy of respect, even though that is not a popular opinion.

Third, put these two thoughts together and it very clearly demands serious reflection on the nature of politics at present. It must be said, however obvious it should be, that there is no room for hate in politics. Difference of opinion is, of course, a part of political life, but respect for others is vital to the success of that process. Today’s attack is exceptional (although sadly not previously unknown: I also know Stephen Timms, the last MP to suffer an attempt in his life) but let’s not pretend that means it is a matter of unfortunate chance. There is an element of hate in British politics. Of course, and thankfully, that does not usually lead to violence of this sort. But I would make a simple request, and that is that right now we challenge that political hate. This means that right across the political spectrum anyone who offers a politics of hate must be spurned, and that this should be done courageously, openly and as bravely as Jo Cox would, I think, have wanted.

By next week we’ll have the candid insistence that of course neoliberalism must be banned as she would have wanted.

69 thoughts on “And so it starts”

  1. The scum of socialism with the blood of 150 million human beings on their non-existent consciences lecture the rest of us about hate.

  2. It is not yet clear that this was a political attack. It is clear that too much vitriol has been injected into social media discourse about virtually everything and that this is spilling in to the real world.

  3. “It is hard to disassociate what she believed in from her death.”

    No. It really isn’t.

    “I also know Stephen Timms, the last MP to suffer an attempt in his life…”

    And his aide was killed. But no-one lionised him after the event, did they?

  4. ‘This means that right across the political spectrum anyone who offers a politics of hate must be spurned’

    Thus that will be the last time (at least for the foreseeable) I will be posting on a ‘Ragging on Ritchie Entry’ here as Murphy does nothing but promote visceral hatred….

  5. Timms was attacked by a RoP fan.

    So–obviously–that was just a lone nutter with no connection to any broader context.

    Totally different from a lone nutter alleged to have shouted something he didn’t shout but obviously a representative of hate-filled white people.

  6. ‘This means that right across the political spectrum anyone who offers a politics of hate must be spurned’

    MPs who wanted to bomb Syria, a country in which there was no vital British interest, should therefore be spurned too, I suppose. Plus those who bombed Serbia, invaded Iraq, bombed Libya, and so on. The charge list is long.

    I find myself having become more disgusted by our politicians in my old age – if we have no vital interest, don’t bomb people, don’t invade them, don’t bloody “nation-build” them, and don’t try to provoke them into war.

    One could argue that the lunatic was wound up to his action by the terrible lies and exaggerations deployed by the Remain campaign. I won’t argue it because there’s no telling what goes on in the mind of a lunatic. But I have seen the equivalent dodgy argument used often enough – most recently about the Orlando terrorist – by the Forces of Progress.

    I am against the lunatic murdering this MP principally because it has left her children orphans. The fact that she would have been happy to see lots of Syrian children orphaned is no fault of her own mites.

  7. It should be noted her politics were a world away from Richie’s. Worked for Oxfam doing real support for refugees, rather than all the politicised bollocks he gets involved with. Supported intervention over Syria. Voted for Liz Kendall. In other circumstances he’d be ranting she was a neo-liberal sophist.

  8. One tragedy about the affair is that Baxter Basics MP will no longer be seen on TRUK:

    Baxter Basics MP

    ‘You imply you have information abut this ‘political’ murder that the police do not have. If so, please pass it on to them.’

    RM

    ‘I do not and you will never post here again’

  9. It was Nigel Jones MP who was attacked with a Samurai sword, and his aide Andrew Pennington who died. Stephen Timms MP was attacked by a Muslim extremist as revenge for the invasion of Iraq but I don’t see Muslims or the Stop the War crowd being blamed for that one.

  10. Bloke in Costa Rica

    It’s not surprising to see a moral degenerate like Murphy waving the bloody shroud so enthusiastically. Sickening, but not surprising.

  11. I find Murphy’s assertion that this is political to be quite disturbing. MPs and other public figures are regularly bothered by letters penned in green ink and worse, with the risk that there might be a Travis Bickle figure sending them. This is just a sad reality and all MPs learn to live with the annoyance and in some cases danger. But this danger has very little to do with politics and for anybody to imply a political angle to this is just wrong.

  12. “There is an element of hate in British politics.”

    Indeed. The left has been spewing it’s hatred of White, British people for decades. No doubt they’ll redouble their rhetorical attacks from now on.
    Sadly, I think we’ll see more incidents like this in the future.

  13. “One tragedy about the affair is that Baxter Basics MP will no longer be seen on TRUK”

    Sometimes Ritchie posts something so asinine you feel you just have to burn an identity by turning it up a bit. I’ve gone through a few that way as well!

  14. Its also indicative that when a Muslim extremist does something violent, there’s always the ‘but we’ve provoked them with our actions, if we stopped doing X they would stop attacking us” argument posited.

    Does the same apply to this nutter in Leeds? Should the UK State address whatever issues he may have considered justification for his actions?

  15. “This means that right across the political spectrum anyone who offers a politics of hate must be spurned”

    Great, that means outlawing the left, which was built, and is sustained, mostly by hate and envy.

  16. The Meissen Bison

    It’s amazing that Richard Murphy can distil so much mutton-headedness into so little space.

    Almost as astonishing as his ability to have meaningful insights into a person he hadn’t heard of 24 hours earlier.

  17. Jim, one idiot (a ‘Times columnist’, no less!) on Twitter this morning suggested that, since she was an ardent campaigner for Syrian child refugees, they should all be let in to ‘honour her wishes’.

    Yes, why not? I can’t see any downside in letting Third World refugees know that a way to get their desires is to kill a UK politician! Can you?

  18. The Inimitable Steve

    JuliaM – Ha! It’s unkind to call the Greens “mental”.

    They prefer the term “Enviromongolian”.

  19. “Jim, one idiot (a ‘Times columnist’, no less!) on Twitter this morning suggested that, since she was an ardent campaigner for Syrian child refugees, they should all be let in to ‘honour her wishes’.”

    If I get murdered does that mean all my political wishes (eg. leave the EU) get to be honoured too? Or does this only apply to people with the right views?

  20. “If I get murdered does that mean all my political wishes (eg. leave the EU) get to be honoured too? Or does this only apply to people with the right views?”

    No, only if it’s politically convenient to the “right” people…

  21. Gareth with a capital G

    Ciaran Davies said: “It should be noted her politics were a world away from Richie’s. Worked for Oxfam doing real support for refugees, rather than all the politicised bollocks he gets involved with. Supported intervention over Syria. Voted for Liz Kendall. In other circumstances he’d be ranting she was a neo-liberal sophist.”

    ‘rather than all the politicised bollocks’?

    A former aide to Glennys Kinnock, Jo Cox, like her husband, was one of many who moved between politics and the charity industry with ease. There is a cross party ‘right on’ bubble.

  22. So Much For Subtlety

    I think the Left’s crass exploitation of this incident means that Brexit will lose.

    A shame really. Maybe she will get some sort of medal.

  23. Single events can change the course of history, contrary to “structural” models. In 1914 a murder in Sarajevo sent Europe and the world to war. Tommy Mair’s act may well have doomed Britain to remain in the EU when Leave was on course for victory.

    The whole positive, nay, joyous head of steam that Leave built up has now evaporated. Sufficient numbers of voters will now be dissuaded from Leave votes by the desire to avoid association with this gruesome murder. Tommy Mair just threw the drowning Remain campaign a life belt. Whether or not he shouted what is claimed, and how crazy he was, and why he did it, and what the facts were, will not matter.

    Harsh reality: if a muslim immigrant had murdered a Leave MP, it would have sealed the referendum for Leave. Tommy Mair’s heinous act has probably achieved the converse. Next Wednesday, the British people will proceed in funereal mood to the polling stations, and vote for the status quo as a mark of respect for Jo Cox.

  24. Ian B–people are stupid but if they are that stupid there is no hope of avoiding a dystopian future anyway.

    Nothing personal but you are something of a miserablist Ian and I think it is that side of you talking.

    Had an islamist gunman done the killing the leftist media would by crapping their pants to shift the blame.

  25. Ian B

    “Next Wednesday, the British people will proceed in funereal mood to the polling stations, and vote for the status quo”

    There’s hope yet then; the election itself is on Thursday…

  26. The Inimitable Steve

    Ian, SMFS – You guys should never volunteer to man The Samaritans helpline.

    Much as the media is hoping:

    1. Random nutter stabs MP
    2. ???
    3. Remain!

    I doubt it’ll work.

  27. > if a muslim immigrant had murdered a Leave MP…

    I don’t see the relevance. The muslims in Britain are largely from Pakistan; nowt to do with the EU.

  28. The Meissen Bison

    But wait – they are not entirely unfamilar to him – on the same post where Baxter Basics MP met his demise:

    ‘It would have been hard to have worked in the development area over the last few years and not have come across Jo and Brendan Cox. I did. And my heart goes out to Brendan, their children and their wider family and friends’

    So it appears he did know them – and as Tim said his goldfish like memory might very well recall her when he demands that ‘neoliberalism’ be ‘removed from the parameters of civilised debate’ or suchlike…..

  29. JuliaM

    June 17, 2016 at 10:34 am

    Jim, one idiot (a ‘Times columnist’, no less!) on Twitter this morning suggested that, since she was an ardent campaigner for Syrian child refugees, they should all be let in to ‘honour her wishes’.

    If that works then if a UKIP MEP gets murdered should we leave the EU?

  30. “Ian B–people are stupid but if they are that stupid there is no hope of avoiding a dystopian future anyway.”

    It doesn’t have to be that big a percentage of people. With the election on a knife edge, just half a million could shift it either way.

    “> if a muslim immigrant had murdered a Leave MP…

    I don’t see the relevance. The muslims in Britain are largely from Pakistan; nowt to do with the EU.”

    The relevance is that the EU is opening the doors to a great many Muslims.

  31. I have Googled about a bit to try to find out what kind of gun this nutter used in gun controlled UK. Anyone know?

    The press seems to gloss over the gun used and how a suspected nutter, a known loner, could get a gun and ammunition.

    Doesn’t fit the narrative that gun control works I guess.

  32. Fred Z, it seems that the Orlando gunman was employed as a security guard for an agency that was hired by the Federal Government, and had a special class of firearms license that let him possess and carry weapons into places that ordinary citizens (even concealed carry license holders) can not go armed. He passed a Federal Background Check more extensive than that needed to buy the guns.

    What price gun control?

  33. The Inimitable Steve
    June 17, 2016 at 10:32 am
    “Mental” is not a political party.

    No, but paradoxically Monster Raving Loony is – but you don’t see them getting the blame…

  34. A blunderbuss that fired three times would be quite a trick.

    It could have been a blank pistol and the knife killed her for all we know.

  35. “‘I do not and you will never post here again'” – looks like the old Comments policy of hate is still a goer, then.

    Steve – “Environmongolians” is a terrible slur on the Mongolian people, though, most of them actually work for a living.

    “There is an element of hate in British politics.” – Murpy there, harking back to all those noble MPs who lost their lives over PMQs – oh wait, no, he’s just conflating disagreeable speech with incitement to violence again. My mistake.

  36. The gun has been variously described as an “antique.”

    But the issue is the “Britain’s First” comment. Once the bloke is charged, the press can’t comment and certainly not to correct this if it turns out to be bollocks, as the shopkeeper who witnessed the event said on a poster on his shops front door.

    But that wont stop the obnoxious fucktards like Ironman.

  37. My suspicion is that Mair’s specific problem with her was not so much Remain v Leave, but her strong advocacy of letting hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees from Syria come into the country.

  38. Is it me, or does seeing Jeremy Corbyn (wall of hate) with David Cameron today remind me that he had until this event refused to share a platform with him? Or hearing his speech remind me.of his place on an editorial bead that withdrew it’s own editor’s.condemnation of the Brighton bombing, rebuking the editor?

    In short, should Jeremy Corbyn resign as Murphy’s contributors demanded Cameron should? Should Murphy hang his head in shame when thinking back on Corbyn as a politician of rare principle?

    For my part I know I have used much much less inflammatory language than Murphy and, following the logic of the comments thread on his blog today, have much less blood on my hands than him.

  39. Corbyn, yes – talk about politics of hate. The man happy to share a platform with fascistic Islamists (Hamas), the IRA, vile anti-Semites and who also has trousered fees from the State broadcaster of a regime which hangs homosexuals from cranes, nevertheless refused to “share a platform with a Tory”.

    No hate there!

  40. Ironman

    Given the tenor of his arguments and defence of a form of collectivism that has enslaved millions there aren’t many who have more blood on the hands than Murphy – as close to pure evil as you’re likely to find in the blogosphere….

  41. It’s not just Baxter Basics getting the heave-ho

    “Brenda Matthews says:

    “First, that this was clearly a political attack”

    One witness has described that Jo Cox became involved when she intervened in a street scuffle

    And the brother of the man detained has said his brother had known mental health problems and had no strong political views to the point where his brother didn’t even know who he voted for. And the half-brother of the suspect (who is mixed-race) has said he never heard his half-brother discuss race or immigration issues and they got on well together.

    Are you saying you know what happened better than witnesses and knew the suspect better than his own brother and half-brother?

    Shame on you for using such a tragedy in such an opportunistic way.”

    Reply
    Richard Murphy says:

    I note my belief is shared by the prime minister and leader of the opposition

    Oddly only those from the far right seem to disagree

    Yo will never comment here again”

  42. >One witness has described that Jo Cox became involved when she intervened in a street scuffle

    It seems that the ‘scuffle’ between Mair and the other man was because the other guy was trying to intervene between Mair and Cox, so I don’t think it was just a random street scuffle that she got caught up in.

  43. AndrewC

    Extraordinary piece from the appalling Andrew Dickie – a ‘Christian’ advocate of repression…

    ‘MayP, what a wise comment and conclusion to be drawn from the murder of Jo Cox – “the state is us”, which must surely be the four-word precis of Richard’s “The Courageous State”.

    We’ve allowed the neo-liberal doomsters and snake oil merchants to debase “the state”, and defame it as a tyrant, when, properly understood “the state is us”, and it is the snake oil merchants who are the real tyrants.

    Like the serpent in the Garden of Eden, they bade us eat of the Tree of Ignorance and False Freedom, which had led to our being expelled from the creaky and rickety but basically functioning post-war consensus, not a Garden of Eden, by any means, but a damned sight better place than Thatcher’s false nirvana, in which we are now trapped, where, as Adam is told:

    [17] […] cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; [18] thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field.
    [19] In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”

    In simpler terms, we know live in YOYOland – “You’re On Your Own” chum – the state is withdrawn from all except from the new feudal overlords, who continue to syphon off the fruits of everyone else’s labour.’

  44. Even the Spectator is getting in on the act. Apparently it’s not Farage’s fault, but it is his fault. Logic is not their strong suit.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/

    But we know that even lone lunatics don’t live in a bubble. They are influenced by outside events.

    Nigel Farage isn’t responsible for Jo Cox’s murder. And nor is the Leave campaign. But they are responsible for the manner in which they have pressed their argument.

    But, still. Look. When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged. When you shout BREAKING POINT over and over again, you don’t get to be surprised when someone breaks. When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word.

  45. Hang on, isn’t it the Remain camp who have been trying to scare us to death, rather than the Brexiteers?

  46. Yes, the Brexiters have mostly been cool, funny, quizzical and positive. The only rage I have heard is from scared Remainers angrily shouting at dinner parties and sending out mass e-mails telling you how to vote.

  47. I’m with Inimitable Steve: some people here are over-thinking this. Most folk in the UK could not even name the MP murdered in Yorkshire. It’s a brief spasm of sympathy rippling through the media. I imagine many people will briefly emote – about her two kids – before noting briefly that she sounds like a lefty parasite who never had a proper job.

    As for Farage, he’s a ‘marmite’ politician: most love him or loathe him , but he has the common touch and some charisma. He appeals to many Labour voters in a way that Gove and BoJo don’t. (Without him, the UKIP rabble would soon implode.) If Leave wins, he deserves at least a knighthood.

    Finally, back to the Murphatollah: he is at his most fatuous when he adopts a pious and caring tone, while anathematizing anyone who demurs. He has a nasty and vicious character – far, far worse than the arrogant and silly Owen Jones.

  48. Theo-

    “Most folk” isn’t the point. This referendum can go either way on a few per cent of the vote.

  49. Which would tie in with him shouting “[Put] Britain first” rather than as a reference to Britain First, the organisation.

  50. “Tommy Mair’s act may well have doomed Britain to remain in the EU when Leave was on course for victory.

    The whole positive, nay, joyous head of steam that Leave built up has now evaporated. Sufficient numbers of voters will now be dissuaded from Leave votes by the desire to avoid association with this gruesome murder. Tommy Mair just threw the drowning Remain campaign a life belt. Whether or not he shouted what is claimed, and how crazy he was, and why he did it, and what the facts were, will not matter.

    Harsh reality: if a muslim immigrant had murdered a Leave MP, it would have sealed the referendum for Leave. Tommy Mair’s heinous act has probably achieved the converse. Next Wednesday, the British people will proceed in funereal mood to the polling stations, and vote for the status quo as a mark of respect for Jo Cox.”

    This is correct, sadly. There are no people like the British for doing what they are supposed to. This death will be enough to win the vote for remain

  51. Crap–nutter kills some female MP and various gangs of socialist dross–including the BNP– try to make capital out of a tragic circumstance.

    If the people of this country are as stupid as you claim they deserve what they will get.

  52. If this MP was indeed killed as a result of her position on Brexit then technically she is a martyr in the fight against democracy.

  53. I see that the Times (Murdoch) has declared itself for Remain. Does this mean all the Murdoch haters now have to vote Leave?

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