Can’t stop gigglingJune 24, 2016 Tim WorstallEuropean Union59 Comments… previousGeneva’s expensive, isn’t it?nextWell, yes, I suppose so 59 thoughts on “Can’t stop giggling” The Inimitable Steve June 24, 2016 at 11:29 am Grinning like a loon here. JuliaM June 24, 2016 at 11:43 am *does Cheshire Cat impression* BraveFart June 24, 2016 at 11:48 am My rankings in order of effectiveness on the winning side: Farage Gove Johnson Cameron Osborne Gisella Stuart Merkel Schultz Junker Schauble [Hollande did not play] Tel June 24, 2016 at 11:51 am Are you talking about the EU result, or are you just looking at your willy? Richard June 24, 2016 at 11:54 am Indeed. There’s a lot to be done to leave, but that can wait until Monday. For now, “rejoice, rejoice!” CHF June 24, 2016 at 11:54 am Shulz: “For 40 years, UK relation with EU was ambiguous …” Talk about some people taking time to get the message. PS. EU isn’t 40 years old. Richard June 24, 2016 at 11:55 am But just think of how people like poor Murphy must be feeling this morning. CHF June 24, 2016 at 11:55 am PPS. Shulz’s Twitter bio includes “Brussels/Strasbourg” because *they’re still doing that*. Jonathan June 24, 2016 at 12:12 pm Just really pleased. I must admit, until I saw the news this morning, I thought it’d be a narrow vote for Remain. Now it’s vital that we get a good team to negotiate our exit. Tractor Gent June 24, 2016 at 12:13 pm I still have a slightly lingering ‘what have we gone and done?’ feeling, but I’m confident it’ll work out in the end. I was amused by Sturgeon’s little speech. I’m just waiting for the brush-off from Brussels when she turns up there with her ‘Please can we join/stay, and by the way, can you support our economy too’. Ian B June 24, 2016 at 12:26 pm I feel a bit weird due to no sleep at all, but this is the first time I’ve sat up all night watching Dimbleby and been pleased with the result. Yesterday evening I was sure I was going to be watching a Remain victory. I still can’t believe we’ve done it. I didn’t believe a referendum was winnable. That’s me wrong again then. Glenn Haldane June 24, 2016 at 12:28 pm I think there are people in Brussels who would love to welcome wee Nicola – and offer her a moderate bung too – just to stir things up. And more power to their elbows. Rob June 24, 2016 at 12:32 pm Quietly satisfied. Sturgeon hasn’t a leg to stand on. More Scots voted Leave than voted for the SNP in their last election. Though personally another Scottish referendum would be welcome. Getting rid of the EU and Scotland in 12 months would be remarkable. Mr Ecks June 24, 2016 at 12:54 pm Monkey-like the SNP aren’t going to let go of the UK branch of the magic money tree until and unless they have another branch to grab hold off. The EU has lots of trouble already and more on the way. I doubt their desire to cause trouble is worth what it would cost them. The Meissen Bison June 24, 2016 at 1:14 pm It’s going to be hard but I shall try this evening to get drunker than Juncker. My something for the weekend: 1) recall Lord Hill as UK Commissioner 2) appoint Douglas Carswell in his place Ivor June 24, 2016 at 1:35 pm Can we start thinking about our new strategic partners? As we are out of the European straitjacket and back in the wider world, can I suggest an alternative to BRICS? Brits Aussies Canucks Kiwis INdians BACKIN. Anyone got anything better? Jim June 24, 2016 at 1:43 pm Scotland wouldn’t qualify for the Euro, their budget deficit would be too large due to the low oil price. 3% of GDP is the limit, Scotland would be running somewhere near 8% of GDP. If they wanted to join the Euro the first requirement would be austerity of a real kind, rather than the pretendy austerity they complain about from Westminster. They’d be on a par with Greece, getting the Teutonic shaft. Bloke in North Dorset June 24, 2016 at 2:03 pm Polly was on the Beeb whining that the result was only 4% difference and that we’re all going to wake up tomorrow with buyer’s remorse. She really doesn’t get it – this was a referendum and all votes and non-votes count. Turnout was 72%, therefore 72% x 48* = 34.56% of those eligible to vote voted to Remain. 72% * 52% = 37.44% voted to Leave And 28% elected to accept the decision of those who did vote. That means that 65.44% are happy to Leave. And yes, if it had been the other way I would have accepted that argument. John Square June 24, 2016 at 2:03 pm @Jim “Scotland wouldn’t qualify for the Euro” Again?! Tel June 24, 2016 at 2:08 pm “And yes, if it had been the other way I would have accepted that argument.” Even if you didn’t, you wouldn’t have had any choice, would you? Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells June 24, 2016 at 2:13 pm He could have spent all morning on The Guardian comments section moaning, like thousands of other people have done. Bloke in North Dorset June 24, 2016 at 2:17 pm Tel, No, I wouldn’t have had a choice, but. Would have accepted it with a damned site more grace than we are seeing from Remain. Arthur Teacake June 24, 2016 at 2:33 pm I can’t see why Sturgeon should be given another referendum. She’s refused to respect the result of the previous two. Bloke in Germany June 24, 2016 at 3:23 pm @Tractor Gent, My guess is that Brexit will happen legally in about 3-4 years. There will be an “X-Day” when the UK is dissolved and two new countries are established, the “United Kingdom of England, Wales, and Gibraltar. And the Falkland Islands. And a few other bits and pieces we can’t remember the names of”, and the “Commonwealth of Scotland and Northern Ireland”, which will be the legal successor state to the UK for purposes of EU membership. The latter will be only a temporary setup to transition Northern Ireland to union with the Republic, without it having to first exit the EU or unnecessarily delay Brexit. They might take the opportunity to transition both Scotland and NI to Euro membership simultaneously, that way they will only need one “Scots/Irish pound” as an interim measure and the “Commonwealth” will probably only exist for a few years before full Irish reunification. Could be completely wrong of course, but I don’t think it’s been thought through that this probably means the end of the UK as we know it. I really think it is the when and how it happens, not the if. Rather hollow “independence” if you ask me. abacab June 24, 2016 at 3:24 pm @BiG, that sounds OK by me, should the Scots and NIrish decide to go. Ian B June 24, 2016 at 3:28 pm Everyone seems to want to dawdle with Brexit. I think we should get on as fast as possible. The clock should have started ticking this morning as Cameron promised; another promise broken. There is no reason to delay three months for a new PM, no reason to wait until then for the new PM to consider whether to invoke Article 50, probably for a bunch more months while they have these vague informal talks. Fucking get on with it. Rob June 24, 2016 at 3:34 pm The latter will be only a temporary setup to transition Northern Ireland to union with the Republic Really? REALLY? I think the history of the past 50 years or so gives some clues that this is utter fantasy. Another bloke in Canada June 24, 2016 at 3:56 pm Just can’t believe the panic that some are under at the moment. Fundamentally all that has been asked is that the EU should in future treat us more like Canada, Chile, NZ etc. than Greece. bilbaoboy June 24, 2016 at 4:00 pm Personally, I think we have killed the EU and before we formally get out, others will be on their way to joining us: Holland, France, Denmark… John Square June 24, 2016 at 4:19 pm @ABiC: Agreed. We’ve not declared war on the EU… @bilbaoboy… although we might accidentally have holed it below the waterline. Liberal Yank June 24, 2016 at 4:52 pm Ivor, From what I’ve read the people of South Africa and Egypt appear to be ready for a change. Improving the economies, which will reduce the bad bits, will be more work but the rewards will be far higher. The best news is that every option can now be considered. Surreptitious Evil June 24, 2016 at 4:54 pm Something has to come to spoil the fun. My bet is on the traditional England batting collapse. Theophrastus June 24, 2016 at 5:51 pm BiG If joxit occurs before brexit, or vice-versa, how could Scotland be the successor to the UK’s EU membership? Gunker June 24, 2016 at 6:09 pm @BIG The latter will be only a temporary setup to transition Northern Ireland to union with the Republic We decided we don’t want them joining the republic when we saw how much it would cost us. Bloke in Germany June 24, 2016 at 6:31 pm @Theo, you’d have to do it simultaneously. I’m just suggesting a way of doing it that pleases everyone. I don’t think this is the right thread but I can’t help being amused by the idea from the libertarian wing that this is some great liberal revolt. The vote was swung (if we are to believe the papers) by a working-class rebellion, one entirely (and I guess both liberal outers and inners can agree – misguidedly) protectionist in nature. Stop the Poles taking our jerbs but somehow we will get free trade with Europe without the free movement of people. We all know the EU won’t sign up to that. Jonathan Abbott June 24, 2016 at 6:49 pm Best. Day. Ever. Still in shock, to be honest. Pcar. June 24, 2016 at 7:55 pm @Ian B, June 24, 2016 at 12:26 pm “I feel a bit weird due to no sleep at all, but this is the first time I’ve sat up all night watching Dimbleby and been pleased with the result.” I too have not slept, though not by choice. Went to bed, hit 60min on radio to fall asleep listening to boring world service. First words I heard were Naughty say “…this is bad, Leave are winning…” had me shouting at radio about BBC bias. I lay with eyes shut trying to sleep, but adrenalin had kicked in. The BBC anti-leave bias continued all night with one exception: Kathy Clugston news Very happy UK electorate has voted for freedom & democracy P ZT June 24, 2016 at 8:08 pm A question: Could England hold a referendum to eject Scotland from the UK? Surreptitious Evil June 24, 2016 at 8:36 pm Something has to come to spoil the fun. My bet is on the traditional England batting collapse. Well, thankfully I was utterly and totally wrong. Ted S. June 24, 2016 at 9:15 pm Surreptitious Evil: More like Iceland beats England on penalties. (Well, they more or less won the Cod Wars.) Nemo June 24, 2016 at 10:21 pm Pcar: I’ve been living on a boat in the Netherlands for a couple of years, after years of intrusions by the abysmal British public sector had driven me to flee, and yesterday’s vote has prompted me to return. So today I made my way to IJmuiden and, being on the coast, can receive British AM radio; unfortunately, it was BBC 5 Live, and Project Fear seems to have morphed into Project Doom, the gloom being natural. One of the interviewees – an MP I think – seriously proclaimed that yesterday Britain was the world’s fifth-largest economy, and today it’s only the sixth-largest. That’s a lot of factories closed in one night! All the callers just happen to have negative expectations: one guy asked about his house in Corfu and was told British airlines might not be able to fly there – “It’ll be like the 1970s again!” – and that he might have to join the ‘Non-EU’ line on arrival. Oh noes – queuing with Americans! Blood pressure now thoroughly at odds with mooring beside a placid canal watching the sunset, off it went. TedS: my boat’s named for the frigate on which I served a couple of years; it had actually been deployed in the Cod Wars and, having seen photos of the ventilation they added to the wardroom, I can only conclude the cod were armed with frikkin’ lasers. Rob June 24, 2016 at 10:32 pm This might explain why a sizeable number of people on Twitter seem to have become seriously mentally ill. All they listen to and read is the BBC and the Guardian. It must be like being part of a Doomsday religious cult; you are in isolation, fed very restricted information, all of it terrible news. No wonder they act like they do. Bloke in Malta June 24, 2016 at 10:33 pm @BiG I’ve always managed to make the EU come to peace with my own libertarian tendencies – in that there is a marketplace of states, and if I don’t like the Government in one I can choose another. Where else in the world can you get that type of freedom to jump governments, without being wealthy? I fear Brexit because I suspect those fuckers in Germany and France will no longer be counter-acted by the UK in their ‘harmonization’ of shit, like corporation taxes. I don’t want harmonization, I wan’t competition… Anyway, question for all the Brexiters, what are you going to do with your lives now that your raison d’etre has been achieved? I reckon there will be some depression to be had – like that suffered by the winners of Olympic Gold Medals. They’ve no fucking idea what to do with themselves after they finally get that shiny gold thing… Cal June 24, 2016 at 10:45 pm “Something has to come to spoil the fun. My bet is on the traditional England batting collapse.” 0 for 256!!! WTF? Are the Gods smiling on England today? (Mind you, it wasn’t like it was against the Aussies.) “Anyway, question for all the Brexiters, what are you going to do with your lives now that your raison d’etre has been achieved?” I don’t think many Eurosceptic’s “raison d’etre” is Brexit. For most of us, the EU was an impedement to our real lives, which we wanted out of the way. Also, there’s still massive amounts of political bureaucracy and other political crap to deal with. And even the withdrawal from the EU, well, this is just the start of a long process. “there is a marketplace of states, and if I don’t like the Government in one I can choose another. But that’s exactly what the EU has been trying to do away with! >I fear Brexit because I suspect those fuckers in Germany and France will no longer be counter-acted by the UK in their ‘harmonization’ of shit, like corporation taxes. I don’t want harmonization, I wan’t competition… Tax competition in the EU? WTF are you talking about? No such thing. The EU is determined to wipe out tax competition. Brexit brings that alive again. Bloke in Malta June 24, 2016 at 10:50 pm “Tax competition in the EU? WTF are you talking about? No such thing.” I pay less tax in Malta than I would in London. So does my company. Lawrence June 24, 2016 at 10:58 pm So this guy on the news, speaking in a road in Peterborough, which has a large Eastern European community, he was moaning that an English baker had closed down after 136 years “three generations of Brits”, the other week, the reason suggested was the opening of a shiny new Polish deli. He voted leave because “it’s all gone too far” and hoped that now “we” were out, things would get better. That was quintessentially the leave vote motivator. Apart from Ecks, that view is surely contrary to a free-market, libertarian world view. And Jeebus, Johnson as PM? Interesting to see that the ‘new generation’ of voters were overwhelmingly Remain. According to some poll or other. You old timers have enabled a decision that your children will pay for. Let’s hope your gloating will be worth it. Mr Ecks June 24, 2016 at 10:59 pm BiM: It has been said 100 times on todays threads : Brexit is only the beginning. But it IS a beginning. It seems that leftist scum are still peddling their lies with what has been called above “Operation Doom” ie Brexit=Apocalypse. A better example of what true and vile filth the left are could hardly be imagined. We should double, triple our resolve. Socialism must be totally broken and smashed–in this nation and in every nation on Earth. Then we can still back and wonder what life might hold next. Ian B June 24, 2016 at 11:02 pm It’s a strange society that prefers the naivete of youth to the wisdom of age. Maybe we should abandon the minimum voting age and have a maximum voting age; you get to vote from your moment of birth up to, say, 16, then that’s it. Yeah, that’d work. Mr Ecks June 24, 2016 at 11:10 pm If the deli serves customers better etc than the baker –the deli will prosper. If the area is flooded with Poles who will go to their countryman’s shop rather than a Britons shop the question is –what are all these Poles doing there? The answer was the EU. If the Poles no longer have any right to haul up over here en masse then the fact that English people mostly prefer English food would tend to balance out matters. If one of a much smaller number of Poles that we rationally –and after proper vetting to ensure he/she is not a crim or a rapist–decide to allow in opens a Polish shop he/she is still free to put an English shop out of business by providing better goods/services. But he won’t be able to do so because an artificially created invasion of the local area by Poles has created a shortage of native customers for native shopkeepers/businesses. Mr Ecks June 24, 2016 at 11:24 pm “Interesting to see that the ‘new generation’ of voters were overwhelmingly Remain. According to some poll or other. You old timers have enabled a decision that your children will pay for. Let’s hope your gloating will be worth it.” We have saved juvo-numptys from their own snot-nosed stupidity. The crime of the older people in this country is to have stood by and took no notice of the creeping miasma of CM scum infesting the environment of the young. Which is why we need to get stuck in on the vermin of the left with the ferocity of a ratter with rabies. Purges the Unis of the CM “teachers” and staff. Smash the Red Guard “students”–expel the Trigglypuffs and smash the SJW tritter gang. Rub Zuckerberg’s nose in a pile of dogshit and make it clear to him that if he ever kisses Merkel’s red arse again and trys to censor then all his money won’t help him –the Google turd too. Collar Soros and give him the option of signing over all his cash and living quietly for what life the evil old turd has left–or not. Purge the schools, sack the Senior Civil Service en masse without a penny. End the BBC and smash the third sector. Job adverts out of the Gladrag. In short a massive purge of the left. Not to murder folk as socialist scum do on a grand scale but to cut leftist liars off the taxpayers tit. Make them sling their marxistic shite in the market place and see who is buying voluntarily. Not too many. This will help to cut off the young generation of brainwashed leftist idiots. Time and the experience of lifes harshness will knock some of the shit out of them. But we can quaranTEEN this lost generation of SJW fools and contain their contagion. Bloke in Malta June 24, 2016 at 11:36 pm Sounds a bit like the V for Vendetta fascist shit all us Europhiles had ‘jokingly’ predicted post-Brexit. Tel June 25, 2016 at 12:19 am >We have saved juvo-numptys from their own snot-nosed stupidity. >The crime of the older people in this country is to have stood by and took no notice of the creeping miasma of CM scum infesting the environment of the young. I said it on another thread today somewhere that most of what the youth want they can still have under Brexit. Once they realize that, they’ll stop worrying about it. (It’s only a small amount of young people — NUS execs and Young Labour types — who really want millions of radical Muslims coming here.) Mr Ecks June 25, 2016 at 12:38 am BiM: “Sounds a bit like the V for Vendetta fascist shit all us Europhiles had ‘jokingly’ predicted post-Brexit.” CM is a branch of evil that has enormous potential for destruction. It has allowed the totally blasted and ruined credo of socialism to remake itself into a mental poison being rapidly spread amongst the young by media scum and verminous UnI crew. The last time socialist shite was massively on the up 150 million died. They are still dying in shitholes like Venezuela. Socialism cannot be allowed to resurge its evil not when we are close to a bright future. I don’t propose anyone be killed– just have the states tit wrenched from between their teeth. That should do the job nicely. The Inimitable Steve June 25, 2016 at 12:40 am Talk of Poles is nonsense. I’d guess not 1 in 10 British people are bothered by hardworking, smiling, honest, Christian Poles becoming their new neighbours. They’re straw Poles, if you will. People are concerned about the effects on their communities of Eastern European gypsies and all the vibrant rapists Frau Merkel invited to settle in Germany, the invading hordes teeming across the Med to be welcomed by relief boats from the EU, and the useless thugs swarming in Calais. But you’re Not Allowed To Say That. So the poor Polish plumbers and shop assistants get used as a proxy. Bimla June 25, 2016 at 12:59 am Well, I can’t say I hugely like Poles, but at least they aren’t going to invade the country legally en masse and set up sharia law. Ian B June 25, 2016 at 5:02 am We’ve probably saved the youngsters (and their kids, when they come along) from being drafted into the EU armed forces. You’d think they’d be pleased. Ian B June 25, 2016 at 5:04 am Also, my anecdotal observation has been that there is rather a lot of grass roots resentment of the Polish invasion. For instance, I’ve heard several testimonies that when Poles run businesses, they employ their own and, when they do employ natives, tend to treat them as second class. Whether or not this is true, it’s a perception that is out there I think. Bloke in Malta June 25, 2016 at 9:21 am The company I work for here is British owned and is absolutely full of Brit ‘expats’. They always employ their own, not a single one of them has bothered to learn Maltese, blah blah. Mr Ecks June 25, 2016 at 10:27 am And how many are there BiM? Anything like the 700,000+ Poles who have fetched up in the UK? in the previous decade and a bit? Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.