Having a vote is a subversion of democracy

As an exercise in neutering the role of both politics and government Brexit has been the best diversion those who have a deep dislike of both democracy and the state could have come up with.

Better stop people being able to vote in order to have more democracy then.

33 thoughts on “Having a vote is a subversion of democracy”

  1. Tim

    Genius – he is such a bad writer that one really has to read a post about four times to try and dimly grasp what he is trying to say. (Which means fisking his entire output would probably take more than 168 hours per week) I had completely missed that paragraph!

  2. So for Murphy, “democracy” is “whatever I say you should do”, rather like a tax avoider is now “whoever I say is one”.

  3. I say again: funny he didn’t articulate any of these concerns during the Scottish referendum campaign.

  4. @Ironman

    He spotted an opportunity to make some money, sorry – become a trusted economic adviser – in an independent Scotland, so was perfectly happy to support the referendum. He had designs on becoming the SNP’s new guru.

  5. The Reverend Andrew Dickie has preached another of his sermons beneath that piece, taking as his text (once again) the Book of Onan.

  6. Andrew K

    Hard not to admire Dickie’s persistence in a way, just as you have to recognise that the likes of Lavrenti Beria and Pol Pot were great at what they did, even if that involved the murder of millions – I particularly like his reference to electoral fraud. As if Brown’s creation of 3 millions public sector jobs specifically to reward Labour voters was not the greatest attempt at voter manipulation in history….

  7. GlenDorran, I’m glad he didn’t become a Scottish adviser; I don’t want to see him in a kilt.

  8. Yes Brexit would undermine the popular mandate given to Juncker, confirmed and applauded (nay, begged for) by millions of Europeans.

    Being an economic adviser to the EU would surely pay better than the SNP. Bit late for the application, but better late than never.

  9. The Meissen Bison

    BiF: Being an economic adviser to the EU would surely pay better than the SNP. Bit late for the application, but better late than never.

    I don’t think this would work, really.

    The trick of being such an adviser is to be able to ladle up the gravy and not to make waves.

    Murphy would be temperamentally unsuited to the latter prerequisite given his likely ability to start a fight in a room in which he finds himself alone.

  10. TMB,
    Why wouldn’t he fight himself on this issue?

    The EU is, after all, an anti-democratic neoliberal conspiracy pushing the Austerity agenda (according to Him). Therefore, Bremainers are wicked, immoral and disgusting.

    He is also a Bremainer.

    Murph should get in the ring and sort this out.

  11. bloke in france

    I must admit the #withjuncker was a notion so ludicrous I assumed it had to be a spoof – but then remembered the likes of the European Commission don’t do humour – so in many ways Murphy would be right at home – it’s his kind of ‘democracy’!

  12. I have seen the little scrote addressing a room in Brussels (though I never got chance to fart in the same lift.
    He sounds dangerously plausible.
    One must bear in mind he is telling people what they want to hear, so he will not be challenged with the necessary rigour.

  13. I have my theories as to Murphy’s views.
    1. He, like all fascists is interested in process only in as much as process produces the end he desires. If on Monday or nine a process appears likely to lead to his desired outcome, the process is self-evidently a good thing in itself. By Friday it might be ebody’s chose ears to an end he doesn’t desire. So now it is an evil thing itself. No contradiction.
    So the Greek referendum was a great exercise in democracy. The creditors and the reresentativesnof the German people deciding the result didn’t apply to them was, again self-evidently, undemocratic.

    2. Like all Marxo-fascists he hates the UK, it’s liberalism and particularly it’s institutions. The Scottish referendum held out the possibility of the destruction of the UK, so the process was a good thing.
    By contrast he sees the EU as a counterweight to the UK government, because the people in their false-consciousness keep voting right-of-centre governments. So a referendum that holds out the possibility of a split from the EU is of course a con-trick perpetrated on the people of the UK, who are themselves too thick to see what is self-evident to him.

    And the more he thinks Leave might win, the more vicious he will get. I think he’s wrong -this time. I.don’t see any chance of Leave winning. But we will in 10 years Richard!

  14. Cognitive dissonance exemplified.

    Instead of focussing on the BREXIT question, Murph believes we should be focussing on more important things, such as:

    The Housing situation is getting worse
    Class sizes are growing out of control
    Food banks are continuing
    Real Wages remain insufficient to make ends meet

    None of which of course could be attributed to an increased influx of EU sanctioned immigration, favoured by those voting to remain. Err….

    Ooh look. Tax gap / the economy is under-performing / the planet is burning / Student debt

    At some point, somebody with some sort of media presence has to loudly question his credibility.

  15. Bloke Not in North Dorset (Moored on Helford River)

    “He sounds dangerously plausible”

    That’s the problem. He reminds me of a latter day, but much dimmer, Tony Benn. If you are only half listening then you can find yourself nodding along until you get a WTF moment and then after a lttle thought you realise that the speaker is nothing more than a charlatan, at best, and an authoritarian one at that.

    The truly dangerous part is that most people aren’t really interested in politics and economics and they are easily seduced by political charlatans, which is why Timmy and others on here and elsewhere are the front line of defence and should be supported in any way we can, for they make a personal sacrifice every I ever they visit his blog and read that tripe.

  16. The Meissen Bison

    Jack C: Why wouldn’t he fight himself on this issue?

    Apologies, I expressed myself clumsily. I mean that he is so cantankerous that even in an empty room he would be able to start a quarrel – the issue would be secondary.

  17. The Housing situation is getting worse
    Class sizes are growing out of control
    Food banks are continuing
    Real Wages remain insufficient to make ends meet

    To be fair one does not need to be in the EU to have all of these problems.

  18. “Mental health services are hopelessly inadequate to meet need.”

    Self-evident from reading Murphy’s blog.

  19. “The truly dangerous part is that most people aren’t really interested in politics and economics and they are easily seduced by political charlatans”

    Especially ones who whip up envy and spite like he does. People always want what others have.

  20. TMB,
    Yes, I understood. I suspect Mark Crown was disappeared because he tended to praise Murphy for agreeing with his own insights (“I thought it was only me, etc etc”), rather than being properly fawning.

    The point remains that a Murphy v Murphy fight needs to be arranged. Obviously they’ll both win as He is always right. So how will this work out?

  21. LY
    ‘To be fair one does not need to be in the EU to have all of these problems.’

    Granted. But if unfettered immigration from less economically developed countries is a contributory factor, it certainly helps.

  22. To be fair to him I have a problem with this referendum too. I have the vote in it, due to becoming a pom about 20 years ago and having, until recently, lived in the motherland.

    I also seriously believe that it is in Britain’s best interests to leave the EU.

    However, I can’t bring myself to putting a cross on the piece of paper and voting for it. This is because one of the main reasons that I think that Britain should leave is that it shouldn’t be dictated to by people who don’t live in the country but should own its destiny itself. It therefore feels more than a bit hypocritical, as someone who doesn’t live in the country, to be voting and dictating to the country what it should be doing!

  23. I heard a variant of that James two years ago in a Scottish house of ill repute. The immigrant workers had the vote in the IndyRef but all five said they weren’t voting as it wasn’t for them to decide. I pointed out they were taxpayers, but they weren’t swayed.
    Then Mike on the door came down and loudly said “I’ve told you girls before there are 3 things you don’t discuss in the waiting area, politics, football and religion”. So the subject got changed.

  24. Over on TRUK, Murphy yet again showing his humility knows no bounds:

    “Andrew Simms and I had a lot of fun talking at the Hay Festival last night. I admit many of the ideas put forward were those in the Joy of Tax, but….”

  25. OK own up – who posted this on the thread at TRUK?

    C Kofand says:

    ‘I’d propose a committee of people like our host, Caroline Lucas, the excellent Andrew Dickie with the empathy of Carol Wilcox to establish the priorities of the day and assign task forces with QE funding to resolve them. Some might say that is not democratic, but this is about pressing issues not process’

  26. Max

    All my email addresses have been barred unfortunately and can’t be bothered to get a new one – it is a work of genius though – thanks for posting here for posterity before the stool pigeons descend on TRUK to keep it pure.

  27. PF

    I did go to get Zhou Enlai and Manny Pineiro but eventually it just becomes a rigmarole….

    I agree the style is certainly like me but on this occasion it’s someone better (at least less known to RM)

  28. VP

    Actually, I meant – just write in a “suitable” e-mail address when you add your comment? Why the rigmarole? I am not suggesting actually setting up the relevant e-mail account?

  29. “..neutering the role of both politics and government.

    Isn’t that the whole point of democracy, to take the power out of the hands of government and politicians and dispersing it among the people?

    Neutering politicians is a good idea too.

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