Nigel really has pissed off Schulzie, hasn’t he?

President Martin Schulz says speeding up of UK exit being considered after ‘continent taken hostage because of Tory party fight’

It’s actually because Schulzie just cannot put up with much more of Nigel taking the piss out of him in the Parliament.

And aren’t we rather looking forward to that first speech that Nige does give there? Wonder if the crowd will even let him have the floor.

53 thoughts on “Nigel really has pissed off Schulzie, hasn’t he?”

  1. I bet is isn’t though, quite the opposite. I expect plans are being hatched with EU funded UK groups to delay the process as long as possible – filibusters in Parliament, legal challenges, etc. push it over the two year limit.

  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    It’s one thing wanting to speed it up but I know from experience that the EU effectively shuts down for July and August and needs most of September to get moving. They may leave a few of the B team around to answer the phone but they are under strict instructions to touch nothing.

  3. Schulz bears a heavy responsibility for Brexit and he should acknowledge it.

    Insufferable arrogant dismissive fat cvnt.

  4. The Meissen Bison

    According to Der Spiegel, Schulz’s wish to accelerate the process has been rebuffed by Commission legal experts who confirm that Lisbon § 50 can only be triggered by a member state and that the referendum cannot be the starting gun for the UK withdrawal process.

    Looks like the EU brass didn’t do their homework before starting with the threats.

  5. Looks like the EU brass didn’t do their homework before starting with the threats.

    Since when has knowing something about what you are pontificating about ever been a requirement for a politician, never mind one of these never-really-wases that infest the higher echelons of the EU?

  6. It will all be pre-scripted, planned, for public consumption. Don’t dare to hope we are leaving until we actually start leaving. Don’t assume we will leave until we have left.

  7. At a Heroes and Villains themed night, I’ve come as Nige. They served some Bratwurst dogs. Chided our Europhille companions to enjoy them as with Brexit we’d probably get no more.

  8. The problem with pissing off people, as our friend Varourakis may have discovered, is that they may be less willing to do a deal with you on terms favourable to you. For all our years of learning and practice at statesmanship it still comes down to two shitheads with egos. And one of these egos will be in the mood for punishment.

    What’s going to happen now when Boris meets up? They’re going to hate him for wrecking the party for one – and they are almost certainly going to say no free market access without free movement, as well as the contributions that the Norwegians and Swiss make (without rebate).

    So Boris has the decision to make – tank the economy of the country he just took control of, or sign up to worse terms than the terms Britain already had before he campaigned to leave.

    No wonder he looked scared shitless yesterday – he’s like George Bush after invading Iraq. Wtf do I do now?

  9. The Meissen Bison

    @SE Perfectly true, of course. The thing that is specific to the EU is the concept of truth and rules being subject to géométrie variable. It’s rare for this to fail and for a senior Eurocrat to be brought up short.

    Which, of course, makes it all the more enjoyable.

  10. The Inimitable Steve

    and they are almost certainly going to say no free market access without free movement

    Oh well. Bad news for French and German exporters, then.

  11. BiM: We start off by not taking any of their shite.

    We tell them that if we have any of their malice the following will happen:

    * We will abolish VAT and then set up the worlds largest smuggling network to bring our far cheaper goods to the citizens of Europe regardless of EU dictat. We will of course use our networks to bring goods from around the world past EU tariffs and trade barriers also.
    * At the same time any barriers they erect against us will result in the reverse, further damaging their trade.

    * We will also establish British policy in a self-defence posture. That is British govt policy will become to seek the absolute destruction of the EU. We will set up a –non-violent–SOE type program to organise, fund and support continent-wide resistance to the tyranny of Islamtown’s bureaucrats. Part of this program will involve MI5 publicly airing all the dirt we have on EU grandees.

    Strangely I don’t think we will have any trouble if we show we mean business and their venomous bullshit will not be tolerated.

  12. Bad news for me. Our company sells into the UK. There is the possibility that this goes negative-sum real quick.

  13. Mr Ecks, when you say ‘we’ you are speaking for some mental right wing fringe. I think half the population on tax credits and DLA are more likely to look for answers from the likes of Corbyn when the purchasing power of the monthly gratuity deteriorates.

    A quick glance around the room on video conference to London yesterday morning and everyone was shitting themselves – probably because 80% of the (highly paid tech professionals) in the room were not born in the UK. Good luck paying for the massive social state after you’ve chased off all the brown people in finance and tech from London.

  14. ~President Martin Schulz says speeding up of UK exit being considered after ‘continent taken hostage because of Tory party fight’~

    Very telling quote. He’s ignoring the fact that the British people have spoken. He just doesn’t get democracy. Very federalist.

  15. The Inimitable Steve

    Bad news for me. Our company sells into the UK.

    I wouldn’t worry too much. The 2008 crisis was scary, but we’re all still alive and well. This is just a transition phase, it’ll all bed down sooner or later.

    A quick glance around the room on video conference to London yesterday morning and everyone was shitting themselves – probably because 80% of the (highly paid tech professionals) in the room were not born in the UK.

    You’d need a heart of stone not to laugh.

  16. BiM: Bullshit.

    You come on here crowing how your EU pals are going to be bullying BoJo ( not that I have much time for that self-serving buffoon).

    When I point out that they are not so tough you come back with a load of garbage.

    Those on tax credits have been put there by the same bureaucratic antics that you endorse by your love of the EU. Even if peoples money went down for a while,–IF-because that is mostly scaremongering shite–it would rise again in an economy freed from that same bureaucratic oppression and endless import of welfare claimants.

    And how good are all these high-tech pros if they are dumb enough to believe the rubbish you are slinging. Getting out of the EU means that skilled men are going to be booted? Horseshit.

    It means WE will decide who come to this country. If skilled people of good character want in that is one thing. Culture-enriching rapey dole claimants who want freebies but hate our guts is another.

    .

  17. The spluttering discomfiture of Herr Schulz is possibly the most delicious consequence of the referendum yet. Mind you, the abject terror in Juncker’s rheumy eyeballs comes a close second.

  18. “* We will also establish British policy in a self-defence posture. That is British govt policy will become to seek the absolute destruction of the EU. We will set up a –non-violent–SOE type program to organise, fund and support continent-wide resistance to the tyranny of Islamtown’s bureaucrats. Part of this program will involve MI5 publicly airing all the dirt we have on EU grandees.”

    Doesn’t really sound the like the kind of casual ‘lets have lots of free trade with all our neighbours’ relationship that keeps the talent of Europe looking to London.

  19. I can’t help remembering that these forecasts of doom and isolation accompanied Britain’s decision not to join the Euro. How did that work out?

  20. The City of London will not be able to keep that passport if Britain leaves the EU’s single market of trade in goods and services, Francois Villeroy de Galhau told France Inter radio.

    “There is a precedent, it is the Norwegian model of European Economic Area, that would allow Britain to keep access to the single market but by committing to implement all EU rules,” he said.

    “It would be a bit paradoxical to leave the EU and apply all EU rules but that is one solution if Britain wants to keep access to the single market.”

    —–
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/12031950/City-of-Londons-tax-bill-hits-highest-since-financial-crisis.html

    So ok, there will be no ‘doom’, but what happens to tax intake after the top 20% of earners have been bum fucked?

  21. BiM : Don’t come it you verbal crook.

    That was written in response to your piece above crowing about how your EU pals would soon be threatening and brow-beating us at the bargaining table.

    If they want to threaten then that is exactly the response they should get.

    You provoke and then make out-of-context quotes to try and show yourself as Mr Reasonable. Right out of the SJW playbook.

    Why don’t you take a USA holiday , assault a Trump supporter and claim in the media about the appalling level of violence you found at a Trump rally.

  22. The bit that amazes me is that they could have defused the whole thing by offering Cameron some fig leaves of concessions when he asked for it.

    Instead, they sent him packing.

  23. BiM: And what happens when we don’t buy their stuff anymore–the way they aren’t going to buy ours?

    They don’t care to much about the well-being of their own people to talk of cutting their nose off to spite their face.

    UK tax take? Meh. Cancelling the toy train set will likely cover it for several years.

    In any case they were planning to heap shite on London as a financial centre had we stayed in.

    Its time the EU customs Union was busted anyway:

    http://annaraccoon.com/2016/06/19/suffer-the-little-children-under-the-eu/

  24. The whole country watched Schulz and co rub Cameron’s (a proxy for our collective) face in a steaming pile of shite while smiling and arrogantly telling us that he couldn’t have the concessions that he was pleading for (which even them was not enough) and even later said that what he had been offered could be rejected in the EU parliament.

    They shouldn’t be surprised when we told them to fvck off.

  25. The Inimitable Steve

    they could have defused the whole thing by offering Cameron some fig leaves of concessions when he asked for it

    Yarp. A wiser man – one with some capacity for independent thought – might’ve paused after being given the bum’s rush by the EU.

    And yet Dave learned nothing from it. He came home with the worst European agreement since Neville Chamberlain and tried his little heart out to sell it as Our Only Hope.

    Brexit and Daveparture didn’t need to be linked. If Dave had more between his ears than a congealed mass of lazy metropolitan cliches and watery unexamined assumptions he could’ve emerged from this even stronger.

    If he’d only had the sense to stay above the hysterical campaign fray – to at least pretend to be a statesman soberly advising the nation but willing to do his best for us whatever the result – he’d still be PM and no hard feelings from the Leave camp.

    I can’t remember the last time a political career self-destructed so spectacularly. Nobody forced Cameron to put all his personal and political credibility on the line for Leave. A few months ago his authority was beyond challenge, today he’s out of a job.

    What a time to be alive.

  26. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    12:40
    Merkel has been on Jerry telly. She has just had a crisis meeting with the Bavarian CSU to try and paper over the cracks between the parties.

    She said that the UK can take as long as it likes to implement Article 50, but of course shouldn’t take forever. Until then UK remains fully-paid up member.

  27. Mr Ecks, whose who remain in the EU will have their interests and the British will have theirs. The EU interests will be to keep it all together, and certainly not to lubricate Brexit (in the form of giving Britain a better deal than it already had) lest their own Eurosceptics get ideas.

    Although there will almost certainly be egos involved, it doesn’t need any malice on either side for the above to transpose – just rational actors looking after their own interests.

    I can remember having similar arguments with lefties when Syriza were getting all petulant with their demands – it doesn’t matter that it’s not fair, it doesn’t matter that the situation hurts both sides – you’ve got people looking after their own interests, and the Troika’s interests at that time were not to write blank cheques to populists who sold their nation a lie.

  28. BiM: The EUs interests at no point coincide with the interests of the people of Europe. Its interests are establishing an elite powerblock that calls the shots –and piss on ordinary people.

    I have little animosity to the ordinary people of Europe. I hope that our stand against their scummy masters will encourage them to stand up and floor these tyrannical bastards once and for all.

    I have a limitless well of malice towards the left and the scum who peddle and promote its agenda. Why? Ask the millions of poor bastards who are not around to speak for themselves because of socialist power-seekers–both state and corporate. The only answer you will get is silence –and that is just how the power-seekers like it.

    I recognise that most of what I just wrote will be incomprehensible to you..

  29. “The EU interests will be to keep it all together, and certainly not to lubricate Brexit (in the form of giving Britain a better deal than it already had) lest their own Eurosceptics get ideas.”

    So what you’re saying is that ‘the EU’ doesn’t care about what the people of Europe (the geographical location) might want, especially if there is a ‘better deal’ that might suit them better, it just cares about the interests of ‘the EU’?

    Sort of a dictatorship then really isn’t it? There’s whats in the interests of ‘the people’ and there’s whats in the interests of ‘the EU’, and the latter trump the former.

  30. The Meissen Bison

    So Lord Hill goes.

    That’s 50% of my wishlist from yesterday fulfilled.

    As the UK is still a member state there should be a replacement nominated right away or is this a demonstration of the wrecking petulance of the Cameron twilight?

  31. Inimitable Steve

    “If he’d only had the sense to stay above the hysterical campaign fray – to at least pretend to be a statesman soberly advising the nation but willing to do his best for us whatever the result – he’d still be PM and no hard feelings from the Leave camp.

    “I can’t remember the last time a political career self-destructed so spectacularly. Nobody forced Cameron to put all his personal and political credibility on the line for Leave. A few months ago his authority was beyond challenge, today he’s out of a job.”

    That’s absolutely spot on. What a reckless fool Cameron was!

  32. Seriously, if the UK politicians think they can keep free movement, they are going to find themselves unemployed in 2020. Large chunks of the map will turn purple. Even people like me that walked away from UKIP will vote for them, regardless of all the shit they picked up, just to remind these fucking bitches who rules.

  33. Over the next six months the EU will beat us with every bat in their armoury.

    The special progressive snowflakes in our society will cry and beg our government to ignore the referendum result.

    After six months of this noise, the government will decide to stay In, claiming a popular mandate.

    The only question is whether Brexiteers will riot.

  34. bloke (temporarily not) in spain

    Do think it’s amusing watching various Euroweanies pissing into a strong headwind.
    The UK has been a net contributor to the EU
    The UK has been a net importer from the EU
    The UK economy is in fairly good shape
    Most of the EU economies are spiralling around the toilet bowl.
    The talks are not going to be about the UK’s access to the single market. They’re going to be about the EU’s access to the UK market.
    The UK opening bi-lateral discussions with selected, individual EU members would be hugely amusing.

  35. Ivor–I think that is pessimistic.

    We need to make it clear to the political scum that no fudge or double cross will be tolerated. Just to be on the safe side.

  36. Ecksy

    “We need to make it clear to the political scum that no fudge or double cross will be tolerated. Just to be on the safe side.”

    Exactly so. And that is why now is not the time to launch some pan-galactic crusade against CM, VAT, the BBC, the Universities, etc, etc. Having won a great victory, the loose Brexit coalition needs to dig in and consolidate its position. Already, the remainers are preparing to counter-attack. I envisage disgruntled remainers organising legal challenges to the result, street protests, lobbying of remain MPs, etc. Opening up new fronts now would be folly and it would fragment the Brexit coalition.

  37. bloke (temporarily not) in spain

    “Opening up new fronts now would be folly and it would fragment the Brexit coalition.”

    It’s the leave coalition that’s fragmenting. Already, they’re blaming each other for losing. The tactical move would be to play one off against the other. Don’t give them the opportunity to coordinate a counter-attack.
    The wise general exploits success in a battle of movement. He doesn’t “dig in” & go on the defensive.

  38. bloke (temporarily not) in spain

    Let’s be honest, Theo. You just don’t want a split in the Tory Party. You want “wounds to be given chance to heal”. A lot of us see the Tory Party as the enemy. It was the Tories, took us into the Common Market & kept us in it & it’s hell spawned child for most of the last 4 decades. Tried to keep us in, up until Thursday.
    How much more “enemy” do you want?

  39. I can’t remember the last time a political career self-destructed so spectacularly.

    Osborne’s, last week?

    BTW where is the little fellow hiding?

  40. Ivor

    The EU will emphatically not do anything overtly harmful to us – it wants us out PDQ and will do all it can to achieve that. What the EU really wants now is the UK gone and forgotten.

    To fanny around with us would really hole the grand projet for its other clients states below the waterline.

  41. BF: “To fanny around with us would really hole the grand projet for its other clients states below the waterline.”

    It already is holed.

    BiS–is spot on.

    Theo-The measures I suggest can’t be delayed very long or relegated to become BluLabour “promises” because they will vanish while the default position of what Sean Gabb accurately calls the “Quisling Right” re-asserts itself.

    To wit talking tough while spending it’s time with its lips wrapped around CM’S wundersticker.

    PS–its high time that toerag Heseltine got what was coming to him in the form of financial ruin. Have a word with some of your Tory buddies –see if they can arrange it. Selective Higher Income Tax might be a way forward in the matter.

    Like to see that git waiting to draw his pension in a post office queue full of plebs.

  42. BiS

    “The tactical move would be to play one off against the other. Don’t give them the opportunity to coordinate a counter-attack.
    The wise general exploits success in a battle of movement. He doesn’t “dig in” & go on the defensive.”

    Agreed, exploiting divisions in the enemy camp is essential; and I’m not suggesting going on the defensive. Rather, I’m suggesting securing the recently won position, while encouraging tactical forays. Opening up several new fronts – CM, VAT, etc – without securing the recently won position is very imprudent.

    “Let’s be honest, Theo. You just don’t want a split in the Tory Party.”

    Irrelevant and ad hominem. My ‘commitment’ to the Tory Party is pragmatic. As long as it is a bulwark against socialism, I will support it. If the UK right reconfigures itself in a way that will not let a left or social liberal group take power, I would reconsider my allegiance. You, however, being a nihilist, cannot understand my lesser-of-two-evils, more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger approach. You have deserted nuance long ago, if you ever had it.

    As Daniel Hannan put it:

    “A narrow leave vote is not a mandate for anything precipitate or radical. It is a mandate for a phased repatriation of power, with the agreement, wherever possible, of our European allies. Many of our existing arrangements will remain in place; and those which we want to disapply won’t be scrapped overnight. Brexit, in other words, will be a process rather than an event. It will be the moment when Britain starts to pursue a different trajectory, away from political union with the EU and toward a looser arrangement based on trade and co-operation.”

  43. Yeah gods, it’s the weekend ffs. Let Cameron chair next week’s cabinet meeting and attend next week’s summit of EU leaders and discuss the position the UK is now in, and then put the paperwork together.

  44. Timmy elsewhere – Forbes


    “Britons decided (on Thursday) that they want to leave the European Union, so it doesn’t make any sense to wait until October to try to negotiate the terms of their departure,” European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker said.
    “I would like to get started immediately.”

    And if we’re honest about it that’s the sort of tension that any decent negotiator on the British side could drive a cart and horses through. You want us gone quickly? Then that will be on our terms then, won’t it?

    A reasonable negotiating strategy to that is to send over a one page letter containing Britain’s demands. Along the lines of:

    1) Free trade in goods, services and capital.

    2) Err, that’s it.

    For as is being said:

    EU leaders have urged the UK to leave “as soon as possible” amid fears the Brexit vote could set off a chain reaction in other member-countries if negotiations on Britain’s departure from the union drag on.

    I like that strategy.

    P

  45. The Meissen Bison

    jgh: Yeah gods, it’s the weekend ffs.

    But quite a busy one in EU-land.

    Hollande has been holding meetings in the Elysée with other party leaders to discuss the French position.

    The foreign ministers of the original club of six have been meeting in Berlin to discuss accelerating British departure (with no apparent inkling of how to achieve this or why it is necessary).

    The Visegrád Group of Hungary, Poland, Czech R and Slovakia respond by saying “what about us?”.

    And so on, though granted that none of this is useful or productive.

  46. But, seriously, the schadenfreude is strong, innit?

    No one likes us, we dont care. Do-dah, do-dah.

    My immediate neighbours are, respectively, Dagos and Bosche (terms I use deliberately to antagonise). Amazingly, we haven’t yet come to blows. Or, as Laurelia Penworthy might see it, theyre cowering in their cellars against the imminent Lud pogrom.

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