Not an argument I buy to be honest

Abortion is simply another form of birth control and should be as freely available as contraception, the head of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service has claimed.
Ann Furedi, chief executive of the country’s biggest abortion clinic chain, also argued that there is no moral difference between decisions on a termination and whether to get married or divorced.
And there is nothing morally wrong with destroying a foetus because ‘it kills a being that has no sense of life or death’, she said.
The call for abortion on demand, without time limits, comes amid a rise in the number of terminations in England and Wales, especially among older and cohabiting women.
Mrs Furedi’s charity carries out more than one in three abortions in England and Wales, and around one in 14 pregnancies in 2014 ended in one of its clinics. It collected more than £27million from the NHS that year, funding almost all of its 66,000 terminations.
Her call for abortion to be made as easily available as condoms comes in a book to be published next month, arguing that it is ‘a travesty of our freedom’ for terminations to be regulated by criminal law.

As we all know my views on this are rather out of step with modern society’s. But no moral difference? A travesty of freedom that we don’t do partial birth abortions at 35 weeks?

That might be a little too far in the other direction perhaps?

26 thoughts on “Not an argument I buy to be honest”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    ‘it kills a being that has no sense of life or death’

    That is an odd criteria. Once Ms Furedi is dead she will also have no sense of life or death. So long as she passes from one state to the other rapidly, it won’t matter?

    The Marxists at Spiked are weird.

  2. “Abortion on demand is a woman’s right!” Except for gender selection, of course. There are already too many men in the world.

  3. Out of interest, why the hell’s an abortion clinic a charity?
    I can understand why the advisory side might be, but why the clinic? It’s a service, like car repair. No reason it couldn’t be run as a Not For Profit if they have trouble with making money. VAT freee, presumably so they’d get to reclaim inputs.

  4. Picking up on bloke in spain’s point. Service provided to an individual requesting a service, sounds very much like a fee-paying school; if we’re playing the “no difference” game.

  5. Ditto BiS, “collected £27million” and “charity” in the same sentence troubles me somewhat.

  6. I would accept her ‘not human’ line if she could offer a definitive opinion what does make you human. As she believes in late-term abortions she has already denied herself the ‘viability of foetus’ argument.

  7. “that has no sense of life or death”- when you are asleep or anaesthetised etc likewise
    Anyway the white tribes seem bent on mass suicide – so I suppose it doesn’t matter.

  8. @Ironman
    I picked the wrong comparison, there. The obvious one’s dentistry. And obvious similarities. Some of the work’s necessary. Other, like cosmetic treatment, is on-demand optional.
    Dentists seem to manage OK, not being charities.

  9. “Murder is simply another form of birth control and should be as freely available as contraception…”

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m in favour of abortion (although think there should be limits, no idea what those limits should be). But allowing abortion during labour is getting a little late, if you ask me.

    The ‘it kills a being that has no sense of life or death’ is a little strange as well – the same surely applies to kids up until the age of 2 or so.

  10. The Meissen Bison

    it kills a being that has no sense of life or death

    On that basis they can be bumped off at 40 weeks or 45 or pick a number.

  11. Though I’m in favour of permitting abortion in certain circumstances, I find Furedi’s position wholly unconvincing and morally disgusting. A potential human life hasn’t the same value as an actual human life, but the potential human life has value and is surely not worthless. A blueprint hasn’t as much value as the completed artefact, but it still has some value because of its potential. An acorn or tiny sapling doesn’t have as much value as a centuries-old oak tree, but it still has some value, because of its potential.

    Also, Furedi’s point about “no sense of life and death” is silly. Babies, people in a coma and most mammals have “no sense of life and death”. For if x has no abstract understanding of time, x cannot conceive of a time when x doesn’t exist. Does she think that killing babies, coma patients and the higher mammals is morally neutral? Probably not; but, hey, feminism…

  12. Meissen Bison

    Agreed.

    Or how about 40 years? All you need is a little bit of lateral thinking to dehumanise your victim

  13. “it kills a being that has no sense of life or death”

    Ah. So when great grandad has advanced dementia will be fulfill the criteria? How about people in a coma?

    She sounds as callous as fuck. I expect she is a Humanist. These tend to detest actual humans with a particular intensity.

  14. The Inimitable Steve

    Mrs Furedi’s charity carries out more than one in three abortions in England and Wales, and around one in 14 pregnancies in 2014 ended in one of its clinics. It collected more than £27million from the NHS that year

    Of which Ann Furedi trousered nearly £150,000 in salary.

    Quite a lucrative business, the baby killing trade.

  15. So Much For Subtlety

    The Inimitable Steve – “Quite a lucrative business, the baby killing trade.”

    The interesting question would be whether she sells the organs as in America. Even more lucrative that is.

  16. Abortion for medical reason –or maybe rape although the child would be blameless. Ideally a way is needed to remove the childen and re-implant or raise in an artificial womb.

    Most galling is that the main reason for abortion is because two POS were drunk or just couldn’t wait to stick it in and wiggle it about.

    Let them have their abortions. But both parties need to be savagely beaten up afterwards. After rolling about on the ground with boots whanging in from all directions, wondering if they are going to survive or not–that might give them a lesson in the value of life.

  17. “British Pregnancy Advisory Service”

    British Pregnancy Termination Service would be more apt. How very Progressive that such an organisation should become something dedicated against that it was set up to assist.

  18. I think I would be more inclined to support it if they raised the upper limit. Perhaps to around 17 years of age. It would also save us a fortune in child benefit etc.

  19. What does a “sense of life and death” even mean? The knowledge of them? Is that a meaningful criterion? If we’re going to be philosophical, what about “the experience of existence”? Is that a “sense of life”? I would think so.

  20. So Much For Subtlety

    You can show that foetuses go through REM sleep. Their brains are clearly active. I find it hard to believe they have no value at all even if they have a limited understanding of what driving a metal rod into their skulls and then sucking their brains out will do.

    If every abortion involved a noise from the foetus similar to that you get when you get a sick puppy, would people still support abortion?

  21. I’ve long said that if we’re being rational about abortion, there’s no real difference between late abortion and post-natal abortion within the first few months. ‘Life’ is a spectrum that goes from zero at conception and continues to rise to unity until an infant is old enough to fend for itself.

    As for ‘just another form of birth control’, that’s dangerous nonsense. Women can’t have too many abortions without endangering their fertility, and in any case every abortion is a bad thing, just not necessarily the worst of the bad options.

  22. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I think a lot of people would look a little less askance at people like this Furedi women if they didn’t seem quite so gleeful when discussing aborting a pregnancy. A tone of hushed regret at a distasteful necessity would be one thing*, but Furedi and her ilk look like they enjoy their work.

    * it wouldn’t change the moral calculus, naturally

  23. Yes, the don’t-ban-it movement is normally not termed ‘pro-abortion’, but in this case that is rather how it comes across. In this case there seems to be quite a bit of backlash even from people who don’t want to ban abortion.

    Are we thinking misanthropy, or just short-sightedness?

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