Owen Jones doesn’t seem to be learning anything

So, Spain, Podemos:

There is a model for the new politics we need. It’s in Spain
Owen Jones

Podemos has won support for radical ideas without creating scapegoats. Progressives in the UK must find a way to do the same

In the same newspaper, on the same day, a report on the last country to follow that alternative route. One that both Owen Jones and Podemos have vaunted (although a couple of years back, obviously) as the path to follow:

Venezuela is suffering the worst economic crisis in its history. Ordinary people in the oil-rich country are regularly going without food. Three-quarter empty supermarkets are being ransacked by angry, hungry mobs. The government has declared a state of emergency, food is now being transported under armed guard, and basic necessities are being rationed. People have to queue for hours and sometimes overnight on their assigned days to receive staples like rice and cooking oil.

Nothing like learning from experience, is there, and this is nothing like it.

20 thoughts on “Owen Jones doesn’t seem to be learning anything”

  1. He never will learn anything.

    Maduro’s gang could have him hanging upside down in torture cell all he would be babbling about how they were “betraying socialism” or some such bollocks.

  2. I swear Owen Jones is the fucking road runner in the Guardian. 11 short months ago he was advocating Lexit (in response to certain short-term headlines of couese); now your a racist if you believe.in all that. 2 years ago he was a Chavista, celebrating the inevitable triumph of the Bolivarian revolution; now all that never happened and he ne er wrote any of it.

    And Owen just goes “toot toot” and continues running down the road.

  3. Podemos are an amazing marketing machine, experts in propoganda. They have become all things to all people even describing themselves as social democrats. They are marxists of the old school dressed up as cool people.

    They manage to control the message most of the time but when the mask slips, it is very telling. Press to be controlled or shut down, judiciary to do what the government tells them.

    Oh and don’t worry, he rich will pay. Their economic policy is laughable, truly and I don’t know whether somebody believes it or we are simply having a Donald T. moment.

    If they get near the levers of power, Spain will head directly for a Greek situation.

    I blame the legacy parties for not dealing with corruption and letting these people get support from people who are sick of the state of politics.

  4. There’s always a new “future for Socialism” once the last one has been deemed “not socialism”….

  5. @Ted S, he’s not talking about the actually existing Podemos, but about the theoretical one in his mind that he wishes existed…

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    Personally I welcome Podemos getting elected in Spain. I don’t have to live there for one thing. For another, Franco saved Spain the last time around. This time they are not so obviously murderous so it is fairly safe for Spain to experiment with political insanity.

    Because in the end there is no other way they will learn. The Left has always said that their ideas have not been tried. Well the people of Venezuela are getting to try them and try them hard. Maybe they will swear off socialism for a generation. Maybe not.

    However I support Podemos, above all, because it is not just irrational but widespread. Everyone knows how this is going to turn out – but not it seems the voters of Spain. This calls for a lot of schadenfreude and also some arbitrage. If idiots are doing something idiotic, the sensible solution is to bet against them. The Venezuelan economy collapsed exactly in the way everyone predicted it would. The Spanish one will too.

    I suggest canned food and shotguns. Spain will eventually reach a point where you can get a castle in Navarre for that.

  7. It’s really just displacement activity. They’ve outsourced the running of their country to Brussels, and are locked into a currency union they have no control over. The only thing they can do is believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden. The collision with reality will be brutal, and happen quite quickly.

  8. I cannot understand the mind of someone who must be aware of the terrible horrors his creed has caused around the world, and still causing, yet then calls for it to be inflicted on more countries.

    What are we talking here? Just plain denial? The callousness and lack of empathy which places their own psychological wishes over the suffering of millions of real people? A psychopathic urge to inflict as much misery and death as possible?

    Just how can a person rationally recommend more socialism, given the universal disaster it is?

  9. Still, it would utterly fuck up the EU. A Greek-style calamity on a Spanish scale really would be the end.

  10. @Rob

    That’d be a rich irony: Referendum returns a “remain” vote, and in six months the EU fails of it’s own accord.

    Boris’d be choked.

  11. I suppose a country like Venezuela that is so dependent on oil is likely to suffer when the oil price crashes.

  12. Bloke in Costa Rica

    DBC Retard, don’t be a cunt. It’s got fuck-all to do with the price of oil. Or am I missing the food riots in Norway?

  13. I agree with DBC Reed. The Oil price disruption in global markets is clearly the reason behind what is happening in Venezuela. Additionally if we install a Land Value Tax and clamp down on property prices not only will Venezuela recover but it will leads the way forward for the benighted United Kingdom and even the entire world

  14. Ironman

    Superb summary of Owen Jones, even if it is from a pro Bremain source:

    ‘Lexiteer – This silly term for left-brexit was coined by columnist Owen Jones. Less than a year ago, Jones was flying the flag for Brexit for predictably stupid reasons, and said: “Without a prominent Left Out campaign, Ukip could displace Labour right across northern England. That would be the real vindication of Ukippery.” He then undertook a magnificent U-turn, declaring his former beliefs to be disastrous, and is still writing Guardian columns on how important it is to stay in the EU. Jones’ views on any subject appear to be entirely derived from the last 10 tweets he looked at, so he’s an important indicator of how the new-left is thinking. Generally, the Lexit case is: “The EU supports neoliberalism. Neoliberalism is bad. M’kay?”, coupled with an insane belief that Britain is likely to become socialist if we turn our backs on Europe. Lexiteers get confused because fascists are on the Leave side, while big business is on the Remain side, and both fascists and big business are evil, m’kay? And their thinking doesn’t appear to go deeper than that.’

  15. DBC Reed (and Van Patten):

    I’ve been to Venezuela twice. The first time for three weeks, a few days of which were in Caracas (the capital city) but, for the most part, in the jungle-and-savanna Guyana Highlands That was in 1978–before Chavez or any socialist government. The country was run by an upper class of U.S.-educated gov’t.employees and private businesspeople (mostly drawn from the same class).

    The second time was for a month and was in 1980. There were 4 of us and we spent less than a full day in Caracas–the rest in remote stretches of the Guyana Highlands (and, maybe, a day or two in Ciudad Bolivar–capital of the highland province and a city of about 250,000 (at that time). In 1980, again, Chavez and his socialism were still in the future, tho’
    his signs ( footprints in a dusty road and the legend “he walks with the people”) were everywhere–even the remote interior.

    For native, non-wealthy Venezuelans, life itself was virtually subsidized–a socialism in force even before the socialists took over. One could offer a strong argument that socialism
    actually degrades very many examples of the species Homo
    sapiens: as competition is curtailed and suppressed, so are the normally-occurring separations between folks of differing intellects and even physical attributes. For human beings, market competition is the route through which each member
    attains the niche in which he gains the greatest reward for being part of “the system,” while yet rendering his highest possible utility to that system.

    Socialism ruined Venezuela (and Venezuelans, themselves)!
    In Ciudad Bolivar, for instance, where there were hundreds of businesses, stores and eating places of every type, I can’t remember a single Venezuelan-owned business. I WAS aware of one guy who did custom plowing of various small produce farms but, though he was Venezuelan, not a single one of the farms he serviced were owned by natives. Local people referred to these businesspeople as “Turks” (though they came from everywhere and Turkey didn’t even seem to be among the more frequent). Most of these people had been in the country for 5 years or less, arriving as “ship-jumpers” after being employed as sailors. Every one with whom I spoke had bought his business from an example of the same sort but who was “movin’ on up!” to something bigger and better.

    Russia and China (and Germany, France, etc.) had high saocial and material civilizations before the idea of socialism ever reared its ugly but deceptive head. The plain truth is that, though such places could survive socialism even as it made them poorer, those starting relatively poor and uneducated simply haven’t got a prayer.

  16. “Nothing like learning from experience, is there, and this is nothing like it.”

    Given that these people are still obsessed with solving ‘the Jewish problem’ 70 years after the Holocaust, I can’t see any reason to expect them to learn anything from anything or anyone.

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