Owen’s perhaps not really worked out the British class system as yet

Green’s testimony to the parliamentary inquiry into the collapse of British Home Stores was a crude, depressing but revealing insight into the psychology and workings of the upper reaches of British society.

There’s no doubt that Green is rich but upper reaches of British society? Didn’t Owen write a book on class? Yes, obviously, Britain is very much better than it used to be but come along laddie, the Jewboy in the schmutter trade might become exceedingly rich but he’s simply not going to become upper class, that’s not how it works. Assuming the fortune stays intact his grandchildren will be and that is the way that it does work.

21 thoughts on “Owen’s perhaps not really worked out the British class system as yet”

  1. After the cretin’s walkout from Sky News over the Orlando shootings he has zero credibility on anything – not even worth the time of a blog entry. If anything, marginally more idiotic than Murphy – and I never thought I would say that about anyone

  2. @MW Fair comment:but you started off some time ago complaining that Green was the victim of anti-Semitic slander.
    PS It is his wife residency abroad that is being used to avoid British taxation.
    As soon as Green’s money from” sordid commerce” is converted to land which goes up in value without any further work, his family will be seen as inestimably socially superior.

  3. I think OJ is talking about the upper levels not so much in classic class terms, but instead in terms of capitalists vs. workers. I’d cut him a break on this point.

    He repeats the usual inanities about short termism (seriously if short termism was so bad, someone would make a fortune from being longer term) and the usual crap about tax credits.

  4. VP

    “he has zero credibility on anything”

    I think you are a little unkind on Owen.

    If he put on a pretty little dress, he would have a lot a credibility as a pansy, jessie or nancy boy, all terms that describe the Owens of this world perfectly, but which have through social pressure fallen into desuetude.

    And I think this is reinforced by the fact that he did not walk out of Sky, he flounced out, while pouting.

  5. “It is his wife residency abroad that is being used to avoid British taxation”

    You wish to send out gunboats to kidnap all foreigners who own British assets, remove them to the UK and forcibly tax their income?

    How very colonial.

  6. BF

    All terms that were commonplace insults in my youth! As you say, using them now would probably get a schoolchild the attention of the local constabulary and their parents potentially imprisoned or aforesaid child taken into care…..

  7. “pansy, jessie” didn’t have identical meanings the I was a lad.

    “pansy” meant a homosexual. “jessie” referred to a male with qualities assumed to be feminine e.g. cowardice, weakness, garrulousness, and such.

    I suspect that a “nancy boy” was specifically an effeminate homosexual, but I’m not certain.

    I don’t understand why some people, purportedly heterosexual themselves, are so fascinated by homosexuality.

  8. ken

    on short termism, I am not sure how powerful that argument is. I mean there might be some people who can pursue a long-term investment strategy and see it through to fruition and profit handsomely but if short-termism exists – and that’s what we are assuming here when we say if short-termism exists then somebody could profit by being long-termist – then that person would have to be in a position to resist the demands of short-termist investors, and retain control for long enough. That could happen in many instances, but in aggregate it might not be enough to overturn short-termism, if that is entrenched in the wider investment culture.

    have you looked at this lot?

    http://rooseveltinstitute.org/roosevelt-releases-two-new-papers-short-termism/

    I haven’t but the authors aren’t idiots.

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    DBC Reed – “As soon as Green’s money from” sordid commerce” is converted to land which goes up in value without any further work, his family will be seen as inestimably socially superior.”

    Indeed. As we see with David Cameron who claims, with what justification I do not know, Jewish descent.

    This is natural, obvious and sensible. What Cameron is not is a particularly good reason to welcome Green into the fold.

  10. So Much For Subtlety

    dearieme – “I don’t understand why some people, purportedly heterosexual themselves, are so fascinated by homosexuality.”

    I doubt it has anything much to do with homosexuality. A Social Scientist would claim that heterosexuality needs to be taught so young boys need to be told what they can and cannot do or say. I would not. I would say that a troop is held together by common values and behaviours. Some of those need to be policed. If you need everyone to toe the line and stand shoulder to shoulder when the time comes you need to be sure that everyone can and will do so.

  11. @ SMFS – Not sure why he would be making it up (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/10692563/David-Cameron-tells-Israelis-about-his-Jewish-ancestors.html).

    On topic, whilst Green is not posh, he is solidly middle class, having been educated at the (now defunct) Carmel College. As has been pointed out, he is well positioned to propel his two children and two stepchildren into the ranks of the genuinely posh, if he wants to (although now there is a prominent and determinedly unposh international billionairiat, I am not sure why he would want to).

  12. Henry Crun

    i am hoping Lawrence/Arnald has been taken back into custody otherwise we have two of them on the thread potentially…

  13. ” I would say that a troop is held together by common values and behaviours. Some of those need to be policed. If you need everyone to toe the line and stand shoulder to shoulder when the time comes you need to be sure that everyone can and will do so.”

    Ah, like Spartans.

  14. @ dearieme
    I got the impression that all Greek city-states shared the same need. The difference was that the Spartiates were professional soldiers and all the others were amateurs.
    But “heterosexuality needs to be taught”?!?

  15. @ DBC Reed
    Unlike Russian, English has separate words for “price” and “value”. No, land does *not* go up in value without any further work – in fact it will generally go down in value without weeding and other maintenance.

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