Quite so, quite so

He went on: “And we’ll have done it not just for ourselves, we’ll have done it for the whole of Europe.

“I hope this victory brings down this failed project and leads us to a Europe of sovereign nation states, trading together, being friends together, cooperating together, and let’s get rid of the flag, the anthem, Brussels, and all that has gone wrong.

“Let June 23 go down in our history as our independence day.”

I’m still pinching myself. This isn’t some masterly piece of maskirovka, disinformation, is it? Someone’s hijacked the entire internet and posted false results?

53 thoughts on “Quite so, quite so”

  1. Any chance you feel so full of joy you can transfer £££ to those of us who must now suffer consequences? How much is my real wage going to fall now? Still at least I’ve got all this lovely sovereignty to enjoy.

  2. The Inimitable Steve

    Cracking stuff in The Grauniad:

    Matthew d’Ancona: They listened to experts tell them that Brexit meant disaster … and their answer was: get stuffed.

    Quite so, Matthew. I feared a once-great nation had let itself be cowed and frit into meekly surrendering its freedom at the ballot box. But we ain’t done yet. Britain’s back.

    Polly Toynbee: What dark place does Britain for the British take us to?

    Catastrophe. Britain has broken apart. An uprising of resentment by the left-behind has torn us in two, a country wrecked by a yawning class divide stretched wider by recession and austerity.

    Polly’s tears are delicious. Bottle and export them, post haste!

  3. Real star of the Leave victory: Jeremy Corbyn

    Voted no in 75. Voted no to Maastrict. Voted no to Lisbon.

    His half-hearted campaign for Remain delivered working class labour voters in the north by the truckload.

    Take a bow, Jezza.

  4. “Polly’s tears are delicious. Bottle and export them, post haste!”

    By far the best reason to support the leave side!

    (YouGov poll)
    18-24: 75% Remain
    25-49: 56% Remain
    50-64: 44% Remain
    65+: 39% Remain

    Fact is those around longest to reap consequences did not want this.

  6. Julia

    That’s fine. So would those who wanted you t mind paying that price so those that did not want it don’t have to?

  7. Luis-

    The least wise voted Remain. The older you get, the more experience and knowledge you have, and you get more wise as a consequence. People act as if some demographic never ages; those 18-24 year olds will one day be 50-64 year olds who laugh at how naive they were back then.

    I was naively idealistic at 18. Everything seemed so simple at that age. You just had to believe in vague abstractions and all the world’s problems were solved. Back then at an age when you’ve no real knowledge, no responsibilities, no understanding of the complexities of anything.

    We don’t generally appoint 18 year olds to positions of responsibility because they don’t know what they’re doing. Assuming that they are an authority on politics is bizarre. When they are themselves old, they will be glad that the old of this year saved them from their youthful enthusiasm for the EU. Which will by then be gone, and as antique and amusing as remembering being on the waiting list for a telephone from the GPO is to us.

  8. The young always vote differently than the old. Labour would have won the last election on the votes of the young alone. Thatcher never would have won one.

    It’s just not how elections work, is it?

  9. The people have spoken, Luis, if you don’t like the result, please don’t slam the door on your way out.

  10. The people have spoken and have spoken ambivalent. It is a reaction to the state of British politics rather than a clear and massive mandate to leave the EU. The vote cuts right across party lines. I am glad that so many here are so certain about what the result means. And the next step is? I note that BJ, Gove etc are still trying to work out what happens next. The only one to speak is a person who is not even an MP. What a shambles. It bodes well for the next 2 years.

  11. Oh drat, and I thought y’all were about to send me cheques.

    Yes how unreasonable of me to complain when people have voted for something I think is going to make me and many others worse off. I’m sure you lot would have been graciousness personified if result had gone the other way.

    Oh look, the value of my meagre savings has fallen and imports are about to get more expensive.

    Still, the people of England have spoken and given those Eurocrats the finger. Fantastic.

  12. I’ve lived most of my life under governments I didn’t vote for and have had to pay taxes I resented for things I think are a waste of time, Luis. That’s just something you have to accept in life. A majority of us have indicated a preference to be free of the EU whatever the risks, you’ll just have to live with that.

  13. Luis,

    You know that weather isn’t climate? Well, wobbles on the markets aren’t the economy. Same reason. Sterling will be priced at what it’s actually worth.

  14. Ian B, see now what “sterling is actually worth” is different in or out of EU. Markets, who you lot think know best, are telling us it is worth less. You lot complain about daft Eu regulatiobs that lower productivity and real wages, have a think about what you’ve just done

  15. Can it Zorro–if you think this is bad you wait til the worldwide economic disaster lands on you.

    The worlds polit pigs have brought us to the edge of economic disaster with tax/spend/borrow and print.

    So your pile of peanuts is heading for a kicking anyway–Brexit or not.

    You stand revealed as another “I’m Alright Ca$hwise Jack so fuck you ” peddler. Somehow we managed to survive 1200 odd years without the fucking EU so we and- unfortunately -you–will survive whatever Brexit brings.

    Or do you really think the scum of the EU have the secret of prosperity? Like all socialist turds they can keep going as long as there are useful and productive people to steal from. And even then with their meddling and regulation they are too dumb not to shit on their own carpets.

  16. I’m in my room thinking about what I’ve done, and I’m very, very, very happy about it. A lifetime of being ruled by an institution I loathe and despise is finally coming to an end.

  17. Luis,

    The exchange rate works in both directions. As does trade. Currency fluctuations thus just cancel out.

    When I started trading on the itnernet, the pound was about $1.40. It then went steadily up and up to close to two dollars, which wasn’t good for me as an exporter at all, but was good as an importer (e.g. buying web hosting abroad, etc). Anyone in a similar trading situation today will love a pound at the $1.30 level.

    Currency flows in both directions, as do goods and services. So it all cancels.

    Some people in the City make money gambling on which direction the currency fluctuations will go in, as we all know. That’s why the City is panicking right now because a lot of people guessed wrong. It’ll calm down. If markets really can’t adjust to change, they’re not very good markets, are they?

  18. markets *can* adjust to change, they *have* just adjusted, they have told us that they think the productivity of the UK economy has fallen. Everything does not “all cancel” – terms of trade can worsen or improve, real wages can rise or fall, ours have just worsened

  19. @Luis: The complaint about Leavers appeared to be that they were only thinking in terms of their narrow self-interest, but it appears that it is the remainers who are complaining about their losses. Don’t look at the age split, look at the geographic share of the vote. The fact is that most of the people who voted for Brexit were the disposessed, who frankly don’t care much about a slow down because if you have zero you have nothing to lose.

  20. “most of the people who voted for Brexit were the disposessed, who frankly don’t care much about a slow down”

    you what? who suffers if Nissan start pulling out of Sunderland? who works in financial services call centres in Leeds and Bristol? I think you will find that during recessions remain voting Londoners tend to come out of things better than others. Are you really telling me that poorer less educated citizens of this country don’t care about recessions?

  21. Luis, explain to me how the productivity of British workers can fall overnight because of a political decision.

    Do we make less things per hour if we’re not in the EU? Why?

  22. Must say I voted Remain (leaning towards, no great passion) and until last week I thought Remain would shade it.

    Then happened to need to drive around Devon for a few days until yesterday (don’t usually have a car). The amount of leave signs in people’s gardens and houses compared to remain….it became obvious that Leave would get it.

    So hey ho, this should be interesting….and I mean that with the utmost grace.

    At least that gutty boy wonder (never seen a principle that couldn’t be sold) Cameron has gone. Pity he couldn’t take the rest of his self-entitled arses with him – from both sides of the debate.

    I vote for a government of National Unity with Corbyn as Prime Minister and Farage as Chancellor of the Exchequer.

  23. christ on a bike man, don’t you know that productivity includes things like transaction costs? and the location decisions of productive producers?

  24. LE

    “So would those who wanted you t (sic) mind paying that price so those that did not want it don’t have to?”

    As JuliaM says, that’s not how elections work. And when left-liberal Keynesian governments that you tend to favour have squandered cash, people like me have quietly paid our taxes. That’s democracy. Get used to it.

    On paper, I was considerably worse off at 0600 today. By 1000, my ‘losses’ had more than halved. I invest for the long term, and I’m confident that Brexit itself is not a risk.

    IanB: all very well put.

  25. fucking hell you dimwits I am familiar with ‘how democracy works’ I am just complaining about the fucking outcome.

    “I’m confident that Brexit itself is not a risk.”

    yeah well “the market” does not agree with you.

    “people like me have quietly paid our taxes”

    christ on another bike, you are aware whose blog you are reading right?

  26. Morning Luis,

    On the plus side- whatever people decide to do now- at least it’s not going to be struck down by someone unelected, in another country, based on concerns that may or may not be relevant to the decision itself.

    So take heart- anything economic that happens today is a short termthing that means fuckbuggernothing. What happens over the coming months, though (for the first time in 40 years) will be our decision and our decision alone.

  27. NO. any economic thing that happens today matters today, another recession would be a BAD THING even if it only lasts a few years, people losing jobs today matters. The extent to which what happens in UK decided by unelected Eurocrats grossly exaggereted, as is the extent to which decisions by prime minister BoJo will be better. There is nothing so great about taking decisions alone when the situation your are in is worse than the situation you were in when taking some decisions as part of a political union.

  28. LE, can we bottle your tears as well?

    If in the next two years+ that it will take to formalise the Brexit the UK economy and sterling tanks you may have a point, but I very much doubt so. It’s not as if the UK is like say, Zimbabwe.

    As for democracy… The *extremely high* turnout shows that whatever the result, this was an issue that needed to be polled in a referendum. When sentiments run so deep that that many people get off their arses and vote, it is a clear sign that the political establishment has *failed* in their duty of representation, and failed badly.
    There was a lot more at stake than the In/Out question, and the “older generations” were in general bloody well aware of that. And brought the Axe.

    And whining about your “losses”… Up until the introduction of the Euro people had no problem arranging for course fluctuations in whatever currency they got paid in. Stop whining like a disgruntled toddler, and man up, will you…

  29. towards the end there Grikath you almost seem to be suggesting that private individuals should somehow have hedged themselves against the price increase of all imported goods we are about to experience.

    and was everybody who complained about the EU not also whining like a disgruntled toddler? let’s have some consistency here.

  30. @ LE

    “NO. any economic thing that happens today matters today, another recession would be a BAD THING even if it only lasts a few years, people losing jobs today matters.”

    Apologies, I didn’t make my point clearly- today’s events are short term. Currency speculation and the unexpected result resulted in a sharp drop on opening. Both of these are reversing now, as the pound finds it’s interim value (i.e. the value it’ll hold until we actully exit). No recession starts today.

    And as someone who has had the financial shit knocked out of him over the last few years (and largely as a result of gvt policies, too), I’m not one to be blase about the real world impacts of financial headlines.

  31. John, good points, thanks for clarifying. Personally I think there’s a good chance this is a persistent change not a wobble, and we might be in for some medium-term hurt, but let’s hope I am wrong

    If there is no sign of an economic downturn, the reputation of economists really will be rock bottom, if it was not already

  32. Tom Enders, CEO Airbus Group, “of course we will review our U.K. investment strategy, like everybody else will”

    there you go Alex, I am sure the neglected working classes of Southmead won’t give a shit about that.

  33. Morgan Stanley says it’s begun a process to relocate 2,000 key Investment banking staff from London to either Dublin or Frankfurt

    yes, how can UK productivity be affected by a political decision?

  34. Are you still going on and on and on and on and on and on and on, Luis?

    We voted for freedom, if you don’t like it, fuck off to your beloved EU.

  35. yes well there is always the London independence movement to pin my hopes on I suppose.

    Doc if things go as I fear they might, prepare yourself for people going on and on and on and on about the appalling stupid mistake this country has made for a long time.

    but FREEDOM hey

  36. let’s see if this is prescient too

    Professor Kahneman, who survived the Nazi occupation of France as a Jewish child in the Second World War, said the risk is that the British people will be swept along by emotion and lash out later at scapegoats if EU withdrawal proves to be a disastrous strategic error.

    “They won’t regret it because regret is rare. They’ll find a way to explain what happened and blame somebody. That is the general pattern when things go wrong and people are afraid,” he said.


  37. You have managed to hide what scum you are Zorro–up to now.

    All you give a shit about is your wallet. Fuck freedom and anything else.

    Your solution is easy. Liquidate your assets and get on the boat to your pals.

    Soon you will be engulfed with the prosperity that brainless, dickless socialist bureaucrats always–always– bring.

    You will be able to sit on your arse sipping Mai Tai while watching the chaos over here as riot follows riot. All on your home cinema system that came free with 4 boxtops and the “I luv the EU” badge you sent for.

  38. “All you give a shit about is your wallet.”

    this is because I mentioned impact on my meager savings? and from that you infer I care about nobody else. man you are as dumb as you are nasty. You do realise I am not the only person who purchases imports, is affected by a recession, and I don’t work at Airbus etc. other things I mention above?

  39. Still waiting for evidence that non-EU territories like NOR/IoM/Ald/LIE/ICE and SWI are schitholes on average.

    You might conclude that being in the EEA with free movement is great, and all the stuff that is exclusively about the EU wrecks lives.

  40. I doubt that your savings are any more meagre than mine Zorro and I would lose the lot to get out from under the EU vermin.

    Like I say nothing stopping you joining your friends in their life of ever-expanding prosperity now they are free of us.

    Of course they are also free of our money and they won’t be getting contributions to their future bailouts and also those 18-30 rapey yobs can’t be badged up by the Germans for export over here any more.

    But aside from that I sure your prognostications will come true. Absolutely.

  41. Oh and no Turkish mass imports and no more east European crime dynasties, kettles that still work, real lightbulbs if we want them, no corpus juris–ever, EAW gone up in smoke, no more power for the Europol Gestapo, no euro army, no need to involve ourselves in the Ukraine or the Mid-East, no more 100000+ pages of euro legislation, no more sorting your own turds to satisfy Euro greenfreek recycling fetishes, no more paying for French farmers or Greek bankers, no euro-ID card , no euro tax number, no more funding an additional layer of bureaucratic oppressors, no more “compliance” with bullshit regs made up by eurocrats to ensure that small businesses never rise to threaten the big businesses who are part of the EU system.

  42. Ecks

    The point-by-point refutation of anything you write is:

    1) You are a poor demented fool.

    Is that better?

  43. Shows what you are made off Larry. Lies and shite.

    Cos you don’t need to argue a case do you? So long as you FEEL you are right but it is just those fucking facts that put you down. And your “Boys Book of Cultural Marxism” tells you “facts”don’t exist right? 2+2=5 if you FEEL it does.

    Back to the fryer Dobbinburger. Gurn-Sea needs your culinary skills.

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