The Guardian really needs to proof read Owen Jones for libel

And here he has a point. No, “the system” doesn’t compel the likes of Green to behave as they do; “the system” didn’t put a gun to his head and force him to become a tax exile;

Jones is obviously using “tax exile” in a pejorative sense here. And as far as I know Green isn’t a tax exile. He’s both resident and domiciled (the latter I’m not sure about) in the UK for tax purposes. There is actually no manner in which a British citizen, born in Britain, can be a tax exile while working in London every week and drawing an income from a British source. It’s simply not possible.

23 thoughts on “The Guardian really needs to proof read Owen Jones for libel”

  1. No, not possible. The rules will make him UK resident, full stop.

    The beauty about libel though for the likes of Owen Jones is the sententire of a jury. If you throw enough mud often enough eventually a jury will simply never find for the plaintiff, no matter how egregious the libel.

    And then there is his own chutzpah: storm off a television set and make claim about the other guests. Your fans believe you even when the recording shows exactly the opposite.

  2. I am hoping in the event of a Remain vote (or even an Out vote) then assuming the Maduro regime falls, then he, Abbott and all the other useful idiots who thought it a good idea to back Chavez are sent out to Venezuela to stand trial as accessories to mass murder – that would be poetic justice indeed – a truly odious figure.

  3. And then there is his own chutzpah: storm off a television set and make claim about the other guests.

    To be fair, that woman’s remarks about US gun control were utterly moronic. Although that’s not why he stormed off the set.

  4. You have to be careful – you see MPs libelling him left, right and centre on TV during a Select Committee and you could easily forget that they have Parliamentary Privilege and you do not…

  5. He can be a non-dom, drawing income from overseas sources, all the while living in the UK full-time. Only income remitted to the UK, i.e. his day-to-day spending, would be taxable.

    Granted that’s likely to be a sizeable sum for someone like Green, but we’re talking low six-figures, not seven or eight.

  6. No, not really. Because he’s not a non-dom. As above from a tax expert. He’s UK resident and pays UK tax on his worldwide income.

  7. fwiw it is possible to BECOME nondom but it is hard and rare and I don’t think PG has done it. But hasn’t he dodged the system by making his wife the beneficiary and she isn’t resident for tax purposes ?

  8. making his wife the beneficiary and she isn’t resident for tax purposes

    She isn’t resident for tax purposes, by the blatant tax evasion mechanism of being a foreigner living in foreign.

  9. As usual, the SJWs tying themselves in knots saying it’s impossible that Tina Green can really own the business and it must be a tax dodge. The same people who complain there are not enough women in top positions.

  10. She isn’t resident for tax purposes, by the blatant tax evasion mechanism of being a foreigner living in foreign.

    But this is exactly the problem, SJW’s and the whole Tax Justice community can see nothing wrong with the proposition that “To boost the British economy, I’d tax all foreigners living abroad.”

    Courtesy of Monty Python.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmgcylAxjfY

  11. South African isn’t she? I suppose the SJWs are now so neo-colonial about tax avoidance that they’ll count that as being British.

  12. Wikipedia seems to think Green is a non-dom. It references a Daily Mail article from 2010 which strongly implies it.

    I can’t find any other up-to-date references – it’s been several years since the media took any interest in non-doms. It’s entirely possible that he has renounced his non-dom status since then.

  13. Wikipedia seems to think Green is a non-dom. It references a Daily Mail article from 2010 which strongly implies it.

    I believe that at the time Phillip Green (pre-K) was flying in and out of the UK from Monaco using the non-residence exemption for day of travel, which has since been rescinded.

    Phillip Green’s father, Simon Green was born in the UK, so there is no obvious justification for non-UK domicile arising from his father.

    Phillip Green could make the claim after the 1998 move to Monaco that he became non-UK domiciled, but this would only work if he had continued to remain non-resident for the rest of his life, which he hasn’t.

    At best I believe that he was UK-domiciled and non-UK resident from 1998 and this ceased when he stopped flying in and out of the UK when the rules were changed in 2008.

    Not that this matters much, since ownership of BHS resides with Tina Green who is both non-resident and non-domiciled (being a South African living in Monaco)

  14. As usual, the SJWs tying themselves in knots saying it’s impossible that Tina Green can really own the business and it must be a tax dodge. The same people who complain there are not enough women in top positions.

    What probably really drives them mad is that here is a bloke who trusts his wife enough to hand over the ownership of the business to her. They’d prefer the wife to be a shrieking harpy hell-bent on divorce.

  15. It’s an interesting set-up. Tina Green is ‘lucky’ in that she has been given a lot of money and assets by her husband, and her husband also happens to be a very good manager for her of those same assets.

    The reason this actually works for big Phil is that they remain marital assets. If she could walk away with them then he would never have structure it this way. (Maybe he has other legal protections in place too, not sure)

    If there is tax avoidance going on, the laws on marriage are the main enabling factor. Which no-one seems to ever mention.

    Personally I don’t have a problem with it mind you.

  16. So Much For Subtlety

    Oblong – “The reason this actually works for big Phil is that they remain marital assets. If she could walk away with them then he would never have structure it this way. (Maybe he has other legal protections in place too, not sure)”

    Have you not been following divorce laws lately? For the last three generations? He probably does it because she would walk away with those assets anyway.

    But Green is unusual in trusting his wife this way. Perhaps he has some sort of hold over her.

  17. Yep, Green would struggle with a claim to be non-dom. That would involve effectively severing all ties with the UK – which, at least until he sold BHS, would be impossible to show – and that Monaco was now his home for life.

    It’s another one of those tax rules which the likes of Murphy whine about when it’s (say) a Indian living in the UK. They demand said Indian should become UK dom as if all you have to do is just decide that you are….clearly if that was the case, Green could just decide he was no longer UK dom.

    AS for Owen Jones, I suggest a competition to decide on a new name for him and in the tradition of a similar recent competition, can I kick off with Cunty McCuntface?

  18. “But Green is unusual in trusting his wife this way. Perhaps he has some sort of hold over her.”

    Love?

  19. Everyone says that the wide boy’s moll is South African. Is she also British i.e. has she got both citizenships?

    Even if she had a second British passport, she’s still non-UK resident and non-UK domiciled (as her father was presumably of South African domicile), i.e. a foreigner living in foreign.

    Even if she did hold a UK passport, that does not make her liable to UK taxes under UK tax law as our tax laws are based upon holding UK residence or UK domicile, neither of which are relevant to Tina Green.

    To my knowledge, only the United States and Eritrea have citizenship based taxation.

  20. Re: Tim N

    What probably really drives them mad is that here is a bloke who trusts his wife enough to hand over the ownership of the business to her. They’d prefer the wife to be a shrieking harpy hell-bent on divorce.

    Its her money. She’s the rich one. He used her money to buy the company.

  21. Remember Mrs Green who lives in Monaco owns a company that bought a lot of property from BHS on a sale and leaseback. The very same day, BHS paid a dividend of £400m to Mr Green, who was then living in Monaco, which then paid off the loan to Mrs Green’s Company. In effect Mr green who owned BHS took £400m of property out of it and put it in Monaco without any tax. Mrs Green then extracts years of rental and fees from said properties to the extent company fails to survive in current retail environment. If Mr Green had tied off the pension fund properly when selling it no one would be talking about this. I am still more interested in the strong industry rumour that a lot of Mr Green’s money has been recycled via Richard Caring (who is a non Dom) buying the Ivy, Caprice etc

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