There are reports that

The police are investigating reports that the assailant yelled “Britain First” during the attack. If those words were used, this would appear to be not merely a chauvinist taunt, but the name of a far-right political party, whose candidate for City Hall turned his back in disgust on Sadiq Khan at the count, in sectarian rage at a great cosmopolitan city’s decision to make a Muslim mayor.

Known nutter (let’s not be namby pamby about “mental health issues” here) might have shouted something or other about an offshoot of the BNP, a quite literally fascist and thus left wing party.

The Guardian’s next two paragraphs state, in full:

We are in the midst of what risks becoming a plebiscite on immigration and immigrants. The tone is divisive and nasty. Nigel Farage on Thursday unveiled a poster of unprecedented repugnance. The backdrop was a long and thronging line of displaced people in flight. The message: “The EU has failed us all.” The headline: “Breaking point.” The time for imagining that the Europhobes can be engaged on the basis of facts – such as the reality that a refugee crisis that started in Syria and north Africa can hardly be blamed on the EU, or the inconvenient detail that obligations under the refugee convention do not depend on EU membership – has passed. One might have still hoped, however, that even merchants of post-truth politics might hold back from the sort of entirely post-moral politics that is involved in taking the great humanitarian crisis of our time, and then whipping up hostility to the victims as a means of chivvying voters into turning their backs on the world.

The idealism of Ms Cox was the very antithesis of such brutal cynicism. Honour her memory. Because the values and the commitment that she embodied are all that we have to keep barbarism at bay.

Fuck off cunts I think is the correct response there.

Worth just pointing this out too:

or the inconvenient detail that obligations under the refugee convention do not depend on EU membership

Both EU and international obligations are that refugees have an absolute right to asylum in the first safe country they reach. But only to asylum in the first safe country they reach. That’s actually the system. Someone steps off a plane from Syria into Heathrow and they do indeed have that right to apply for asylum in England. Someone who has passed through Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, etc etc and France does not.

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  1. Media now desperately trying to find evidence that said nutter was far-Right. But a media that tells us Islam is nothing to do with terrorism when a Jihadi engages in mass slaughter seems to have no trouble telling us this is all about Brexit. Sickening.

  2. Ersatz Steve,the answer wood be No. Then again paid morons such a yourself wouldn’t see the truth if you were slapped in the face by an EU quota haddock.

  3. I think you’re wrong on this one Tim. It has all got very nasty, and deliberate elision by Leave of refugees, economic migrants, EU migrants, and non-EU has got very xenophobic.

  4. My parents were commonwealth migrants to the UK. I grew up in an era when being Paki-bashed on the way to school was an everyday risk. I spent my teens on marches against the National Front and British Movement. I’m voting for Brexit. So are my parents and some of my siblings. This isn’t about racism, it’s about democracy and sovereignty.Yes, some people are voting for Brexit out of racist motives, But there are people on both sides engaging in pretty crap behaviour – such as seeking to exploit a woman’s murder for political gain.

  5. “Someone who has passed through Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, etc etc and France does not (have right of asylum in UK).”

    They could process said applicant in the UK and tell them: well done, you have asylum in (insert country of first entry).

  6. I was hoping we wouldn’t have this. A woman, mother, by most accounts, a decent MP, has been murdered. Her body is still warm, the police are still investigating, and the likes of Polly Toynbee and Alex Massie are pointing fingers.

    You know, if these people thought harder, if they want to talk about anger, maybe they’d ask about why people got angry. They might talk about how the rotten political establishment types like them never looked into immigration figures. How they smeared Migration Watch for just pointing to the growth as racists. How they, right up to the former Prime Minister, have constantly smeared anyone who wants to reduce immigration as bigots. Shockingly, people then turned their back on the 3 main parties that ignored their concerns and took their votes elsewhere. They then smear the politicians that they take their votes to as bigots and nazis (and whatever else you can say about Farage, he isn’t that). Unsurprisingly, those people are then going to think of politicians and the media as a bit of a bunch of cunts.

  7. Remember, the oh-so-high-minded Guardian wrote that editorial while Mrs Cox’s body was still warm.

  8. @Roddy

    ” It has all got very nasty, and deliberate elision by Leave of refugees, economic migrants, EU migrants, and non-EU has got very xenophobic.”

    That’s an interesting post, Mr Campbell.

    My thoughts are a touch different though: I’ve been following fairly closely the arguments, and whilst the focus on immigration by leave is a tactical error (IMO), I’ve heard several folk: notably Gove, but also IDS, articulate clearly that Immigration isn’t it problem, and there are loads of people we want to come here.

    Undoubtedly, the public care about immigration, and Leave will make mention of their thoughts on the matter.

    Wanting to control Immigrationis neither Xenophobic, nor racist.

    The elision really is conflating anyone who wants some local control over immigration policy with racism.

    As for Cox: it’s a bloody sad thing for anyone to be killed by some nutjob, especially someone with kids (who happen to be the same age as mine). I’m a bit saddened by the way the death has been immediately linked to national politics. I suspect it will turn out to be a local issue or random crime: the link to the BNP seems tenuous, and even if that turns out to be true- the guy was quite clearly deluded. Would anything he’d shouted be evidence of anything if he’s crackers?

    Either way, a bit more respect and taste could have been shown by many people, especially media types.

  9. steve,

    “Do you think that UKIP poster with the queue of blacks was a good one?”

    No. He should have unveiled one showing the huge numbers of blonde haired Norwegians that are trying to get into this country.

  10. Ersatz Steve

    Please can you explain clearly and precisely what is wrong with Farage’s poster? It looks like fair comment to me.

  11. Man shoots 50 people in Orlando, left-wingers seize on his possible bi-polar disorder (as reported by a girlfriend) to pooh-pooh any possibility that radical Islam motivated him.

    Man shoots 1 MP in UK, left-wingers ignore actual MSM reports of his mental issues in favour of what he may (or may not) have shouted at the scene that definitely proves that tiny activist movement is totally responsible.

  12. It’s worth saying again to any cultural Marxist scum out there and their fellow travellers and useful idiots who lack brainpower.:

    Not wishing your country to be taken over by millions of deliberately imported migrants–white or non-white–many of them believers in and supporters of hate-filled and tyrannical doctrines marks you as a good person and a patriot with the values of a decent human being.

    It is those who try to tell you otherwise who are scum and active supporters of evil.

    Last night it seemed that eye-witnesses present at this event had debunked the “Britain First” bullshit. That would not–of course–stop the lying socialist scum at the Gladrag from trying to take up the narrative.

  13. Stevie–go back to greasing your arsehole for your EU masters.

    They will soon be feeling the need to take it all out on someone and since you are on the payroll….

  14. Incidentally, if anyone – anyone at all – changes their (presumably well reasoned) intended vote as a result of this incident, then you don’t deserve to have the vote.

    That goes for both sides.

  15. That Farage poster was incredibly stupid. Possibly a case of snatching defeat from the jaws of a poll lead.

    Politicians should surely know by now that “nasty” politics is counter-productive. See Zac v Sadiq, for example. Many moderates shied away from backing Zac after he went negative (on about day one). Why unveil a stupid racist poster when you are ahead?

  16. JuliaM,

    Can you imagine if The Sun or The Daily Mail wrote an article claiming that people who for example, describe Israel/Palestine as apartheid (like many commentators on CiF) stoked up Islamism, and that the Guardian have encouraged a culture of hate that resulted in dead bodies?

  17. I think the poster was a stupid idea, deliberately designed to offend the lefty Remainers. Just not necessary.

    As for the Graun – that’s just wicked.

  18. It’s all moot what he shouted. As Larry Niven put it in one of his laws

    There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.
    or
    No cause is so noble that it won’t attract fuggheads

    The important thing is causality. DId belief in X cause horrendous atrocity or are they just coincidental.

  19. Blue Eyes: Wrong.

    It is not “nasty” to express the truth.

    The scum of ZaNu may have imported migrants deliberately to upset Tories but most of the migrants didn’t end up in leafy Surry. They ended up in no go areas in the North/Midlands etc around which young white females and others have suffered as a result.

    A huge leftist song and dance was made about the knife death of Steven Lawrence –but the best part of 10 white people have been stabbed to death by members of a particular cult . Their violent deaths have vanished into the black hole that middle-class leftist media scum reserve for stories they don’t want you to know about. Not to mention several others who have been stabbed to bits but didn’t die–not for any want of zeal on the behalf of their attackers.

    Now anyone can see that worse still is being set up for in Europe–where train stations and areas near to refugee camps have become danger zones for women. Once the Germans have badged this imported crew up there is nothing to stop them wandering over here to Treasure Island. Not to mention the legions of Turks that will be arriving –unless the people of this country stand up and tell them to bugger off back home.

  20. @thestigler lefties seem to have this mental inability to walk in someone else’s shoes who might disagree with them.

    Many, not all, cannot process the idea that Tories might be well meaning, genuinely think they are doing what is right and just in error, they have to be evil and malicious.

    This means they get into a mindset where violence against (say) Nigel Farage is perfectly okay, and somehow is acceptable because “Farage is wrong” or “Farage is a racist”.

    Other people just see it as violence being acceptable to people you disagree with or don’t like. It’s not that far from “it’s okay to beat up Farage, he’s a racist” to “it’s okay to beat up Jews, Gays, Blacks, any other group that you don’t like”. Or, as we’ve seen, Tories.

    Which is because that’s actually what it is.

    The shouting of Britain First seems to have originated in a Tweet from Angela Eagle, which needless to say vanished. We shall see.

  21. Mr Ecks, what “truth”? It was a poster of a photo of refugees, with the white face(s) airbrushed out.

    It is not as though people have not been discussing immigration in this election. The poster was a classic dead cat – deliberately provocative.

    My question is “why?”. No swing voter is going to be impressed, I would argue the opposite. The racist vote is already highly motivated. Who is Farage trying to appeal to?

    Leaving the EU was a fairly minority view while Farage was the main face of it, so much so that Cameron was comfortable to call a referendum on the basis of his non-re-negotiation. Now Leave has a poll lead which this poster could well have undermined.

  22. Paul, Eagle was retweeting something that one of the first eyewitnesses claimed to a reporter.

    It was later retracted by that particular eyewitness (who wasn’t there & was just repeating what someone told him!).

    But there’s still reports that others claimed to have heard it.

  23. As a member of the “Leave” campaign, I thought Farrage’s poster at best “unhelpful” and at worst, exhibiting exactly the worst aspects of UKIP.

    Vote “Leave” has been doing very well with project facts, explaining about how leaving would not only restore part of our budget given over to the “EU”, but allow us to get a grip on immigration, rejuvenate our fishing industry, etc., etc. a genuinely broad based campaign.

    The poster put out by “Farrage” might as well have just said “Wogs Out” across it.

    It’s not racist, it’s just crass.

  24. *replace “Farrage” with UKIP.

    Mr. Worstall: Can’t you turn on some form of editing on comments? You’re running Word Press, so I know it is possible.

  25. Reading Polly this morning was pretty blood-boiling stuff. The woman who is never short of an unpleasant pejorative for any Tory or Brexiter who happens to cross her path has the audacity to blame Leave campaigners – and only Leave campaigners – for creating “the climate” in which this happened. Just read your own words Polly you nasty, nasty piece of work.

    However, in just the same way a bi-polar nutter in Florida.was stirred up by Islamist online filth, so this nutter in Yorkshire has had his compass spun by the mastabatory junk pouring from Britain First. Farage? Poster? Absolutely nothing when compared with Britain First and it’s self defence courses in Wales.

    So Britain First is as shocked as anyone else is it? Britain First says an attack on an MP is an attack on “British Diplomacy”. Really? Not British Democracy? FFS.

  26. One eyewitness didn’t hear “Britain First”, one did:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36552367
    so let’s deal with the facts.

    “Britain First” may be the name of an organisation, but it’s also a pair of words that can be put together to express an opinion.

    The organisation Britain First has a statement on its website calling the action a “despicable crime” and suggesting the perpetrator should be strung up. No mealy-mouthed equivocation there.

  27. Interesting to look at another referendum-timed killing of a politician:

    “Despite Lindh’s popularity and the timing of the assassination, the murder was not considered a political act (although a newspaper found a picture of Mijailović listening to Liberal People’s Party leader Lars Leijonborg in clothing similar to what he wore during the murder). Mijailović admitted that he found the speech “entertaining”, but denied allegations that it influenced his actions.[1]”

  28. Well, looking in the “discussion” part of the menu there’s absolutely nothing at all there that says preview, edit comments or anything. And if it’s not on a menu then it’s well beyond my capabilities to do anything about it.

  29. Ironman: “So Britain First is as shocked as anyone else is it? Britain First says an attack on an MP is an attack on “British Diplomacy”. Really? Not British Democracy? FFS.”

    Making a big thing of an opponent’s typo isn’t big and isn’t clever. It’s best to debate on substance.

    The Britain First spokesman said in the video they put on their website yesterday afternoon, more than once, that it’s a “despicable crime”.

  30. Definitely tactical error.

    I’m in discussion with remainer family members who are totally sensitive to the democratic and sovereignty issues, but that stuff makes them run a mile. It’s just pushing waverers back into the arms of Remain.

    Own goal.

  31. John Galt: And how is not mentioning the accelerating mass invasion our so-called masters have planned for us equal a broad-based campaign?

    There seems to be some idea that everyone in the UK has been so affected by the CM bullshit of racism that we have to walk on tiptoe around the issue of migrant invasion. Not everyone in the UK is a self-hating nitwit . Why the hell should we campaign on terms set by CM scum. I don’t want my country turned into somebody else’s country. Esp when lots of the somebodies have “values” that piss all over the things I value most–like freedom.

  32. Yes, an own goal, and one banged in from 15 yards with no opposition in sight.

    Why do Leave need to mention immigration any more anyway? Remain are doing their job for them.

  33. And how is not mentioning the accelerating mass invasion our so-called masters have planned for us equal a broad-based campaign?

    Because the EU doesn’t just impact our lives in a single way, it affects us all differently depending upon our communities, infrastructure (house, schools, healthcare), jobs, etc.

    I’ve had numerous discussions with farmers about how they would manage without EU subsidies, with groups in receipt of EU grants as to where the money would come in the future, of former fishermen wondering if voting “Leave” can bring back the fishing industry. The largest group have been concerned, not with immigration, but with issues of sovereignty and EU regulations.

    Virtually none of the arguments and discussions I’ve had on the campaign have been purely about immigration (although pressure on local authority housing is an issue in Scotland it is caused by limited supply rather than by immigration).

    I know things are different in other places, but where I am campaigning in Perth and Kinross, Scotland the specific advert is unhelpful and counterproductive as it limits the argument to a single issue, which is probably 7th on the list of EU related issues affecting voters here.

  34. As we watched the desperately sad news, I said, “Do you know there will be people in the Guardian shouting “”YES!! Oh YES!!””.

    Mrs Miller said, “People can’t be that vile.”

    ?

  35. @Paul

    Many, not all, cannot process the idea that Tories might be well meaning, genuinely think they are doing what is right and just in error, they have to be evil and malicious.

    Via Dave Thompson

    [Dennis Sewell] quotes from the exam board Edexcel “on the subject of Conservative ideology” in its most recent A-level Government and Politics syllabus, which he describes as “downright scandalous.” It defined conservatism as “fear of diversity” and support for “social and state authoritarianism.” Conservatism views people as “limited, dependent and security-seeking creatures” and supports “resurgent nationalism… insularity and xenophobia.” The entry on socialism, however, describes it as defined by “social stability and cohesion, social justice, happiness and personal development” and the worst thing that can be said about it is an allusion to “conflict as a motor of history.” Sewell writes: “The actual marking schemes, used in real exams and deciding students’ real results, are even worse.”

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/indulge-crimes-left/

  36. I’m not great on geography but Perth and Kinross is rural Scotland is it not?

    Understandable then that they don’t have problems with no go areas and young girls being raped and abused. (Apart possible from the village of 600 up in Scotland –I forget the name sorry–that has just had 1000 refugees dumped on them with seeming German-style arrogance).

    Somewhat a special case to the rest of the UK.

  37. The minute this tragic killing was announced, it was a question of how long before all those on the left used this as a reason to bash anyone wanting to vote leave.
    Not long as it turned out from the appalling Guardian piece and others using the hate word in way that applies again to all those who dare question immigration into this country and the sanctimonious obituraries that declare the poor murdered woman to be a saint of salvation and now with her death a reason to let everyone in and vote remain, Project Mourn begins.
    A plague on them all.

  38. Gunker–I didn’t know the schools were as brazen as that. They obviously also need purging alongside the Unis.

  39. It’s now being reported that the owner of the shop opposite the attack has put up a handwritten sign in his window stating that he didn’t tackle the gunman, and no-one at the scene shouted anything about ‘Britain First’.

    Poor man. That he has to do this to fend off so-called ‘journalists’ badgering him for a quote is disgraceful.

  40. Ironman

    I think it’s worth (and apologies to you) bringing that piece out so people can see the astounding (even by her standards) double standards and complete neglect of causation:

    Here it is:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/16/mood-ugly-mp-dead-jo-cox

    ‘Rude, crude, Nazi-style extremism is mercifully rare. But the leavers have lifted several stones. How recklessly the decades of careful work and anti-racist laws to make those sentiments unacceptable have been overturned.’

    Free speech be damned!

    ‘Democracy is precious and precarious. It relies on a degree of respect for the opinions of others, soliciting support for political ideas without stirring up undue savagery and hatred against opponents’

    Respect for the opinion of others as displayed by the call for ‘hate speech’ legislation – ‘banning trolls’, ‘safe spaces’, restrictions on social media sites, eh Polly?

    I have to agree with you Ironman – nauseating doesn’t even come close – if anything it is worse than the editorial Time is quoting – these people are without shame.

  41. I think Farage’s poster was a tactical error, but seeing that immigration has become a major issue (unfortunately really as there are plenty of more important issues) hopefully not disastrous.

    The hypocrisy and double standards of the left have been exposed in all their glory with this story.

    Cameron – a star of parliament, FFS nobody’d ever heard of her.

    I regret her death as I would regret anybody’s death. I regret it also for what it might mean to a vital campaign for our country’s interests.

    And there are many many unanswered questions – such as why now at such a convenient time for the remainers who were staring down a gun barrel, how is it the warning signs were ignored so this unfortunate lady was with out a body guard of any sort? How can a man with a shortgun get off three shots without being tackled?

  42. Bloke in Italy

    It’s quite easy to construct a narrative whereby the murderer was provoked by the prospect that, thanks to the tactics of ‘Project FEAR’ used by the Remain camp, the electorate were being duped into voting for absorption into the morass of an unreformed EU, hence in an act of desperation he felt he had no choice but to ‘take out the traitors’ – it’s a narrative that would be derided widely but it is no more ludicrous than the one we are seeing across the ‘Progressive’ spectrum…

  43. “Democracy is precious and precarious. It relies on a degree of respect for the opinions of others, soliciting support for political ideas without stirring up undue savagery and hatred against opponents’”

    Unbelievable. Their entire position is to ignore and revile anyone who disagrees with them, up to and including criminalising expressing political opinion contrary to their beliefs.They have been doing this for 40 years. Their hypocrisy and opportunism are utterly nauseating.

  44. I cannot recall being more disgusted by a newspaper recently than by the precipitate reaction of the Guardian (and Toynbee article) that I have seen here.

    Vile scum.

    The first line of the Guardian leader is this:

    “The slide from civilisation to barbarism is shorter than we might like to imagine”

    Which is precisely the point that is not examined and dismissed in the rest of the speculative, pro-immigration, pro-multicultularism article that follows.

  45. @Rob – quite. Where’s the respect for the opinions of Tories. What about all the “Die tory scum”, “tories are literally killing people” and other nonsense?

  46. “There seems to be some idea that everyone in the UK has been so affected by the CM bullshit of racism that we have to walk on tiptoe around the issue of migrant invasion”

    Mr Ecks, I think you are wrong about this and UKIP have indeed made a tactical error with the poster.

    I have had conversations with many friends and family members about the vote and most of them are very open when you talk economic issues, sovereignty, the anti democratic nature of the EU, things that will affect them directly. But if they get a sniff of anti immigrant sentiment it is like a red line- normal people are terrified of being seen as racists and bigots and run a mile from any possible assiciation. These are normal people, not hard lefties. You would probably dismiss them as brain washed, but in my experience the vast majority of people are like this. Being called a racist is terrible thing in modern society.

    Farage’s poster gives the left something to point at and call racist. The left media also know that nobody wants to be on the same side as murderous lunatics, hence their capitalisation on this horrible murder. The timing couldn’t really be worse for leave.

  47. Gunker–I didn’t know the schools were as brazen as that. They obviously also need purging alongside the Unis.

    We’re gonna need a bigger vat.

  48. I’m no fan of unlimited immigration of the developing world into Europe and reckon it needs to be brought strictly and rapidly under control. But Farage’s poster is fucking awful, this will turn a lot of people off.

  49. It’s all about the echo chamber. One family member had never heard of the Brexit movie, even though he’s all social-networked.

    Typical lefty, you might say, but to me, Farage coming out with this poster means he’s in his own bubble, where nobody has a clue how this thing will be perceived by the very people he’s supposed to be trying to convince.

  50. Tomsmith–I hope you are wrong. The people I know are wise to the dangers posed by speaking out in the scummy leftist system we have. But that does not mean that –to use the vile socialist phrase–they have “internalised” their oppression. They know which way to vote in the booth.

    “Being called a racist is terrible thing in modern society.”

    If people are that gutless then a decent society has had its chips.

  51. Gareth with a capital G

    The issues of migration are a symptom of the lack of control. A lack of control on our borders because authority has been double delegated to Brussels *and* a lack of control over our representatives and government for the very same reason.

    How many of our MPs stood on a pledge of generally unfettered migration and seeing little wrong with the refugee practices of Germany and Sweden? I don’t remember that being in any manifesto yet that is what we have.

    Nigel Farage and others seemingly can say they are for skilled migration until they are blue in the face but their position is presented by others as anti-immigrant.

  52. The Inimitable Steve

    the name of a far-right political party, whose candidate for City Hall turned his back in disgust on Sadiq Khan at the count

    So extreme!

  53. It’s all about the echo chamber. One family member had never heard of the Brexit movie, even though he’s all social-networked.

    You’d be amazed how much people live within a bubble, even those whose every post on FB is greeted with 100 “likes”. Certainly the oil and gas expats are not immune from this, we have our own bubble which I make some efforts to step outside. But some people appear to live on a different planet, and when they come across somebody from outside their bubble and start spouting off they get very confused and angry by the reaction. Laurie Penny is a classic example of this.

  54. @CJ Nerd, Is there anyone outside its own membership list that “Britain First” wouldn’t have strung up?

    @John Galt, how do the farmers feel about restrictions on migrant labour?

  55. The Inimitable Steve

    I’m blissfully out of the media loop, chaps. So until reading this thread was completely unaware of Nigel Farage’s
    Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Poster.

    I find your reactions to it more interesting than the poster itself.

    “STEVE” – Do you think that UKIP poster with the queue of blacks was a good one?

    There’s not a single black face in that poster, you daft racist.

    The Stig – No. He should have unveiled one showing the huge numbers of blonde haired Norwegians that are trying to get into this country.

    Excellent.

    Blue Eyes – That Farage poster was incredibly stupid. Possibly a case of snatching defeat from the jaws of a poll lead.

    “Well I was going to vote Leave, but then I saw a poster of young Third World men queueing and I thought: yes please!”

    Geoff – I think the poster was a stupid idea, deliberately designed to offend the lefty Remainers. Just not necessary.

    Reality offends them.

    John – The poster put out by “Farrage” might as well have just said “Wogs Out” across it.

    It’s pretty sad when people (not you specifically) are more worked up by a poster than the fact that – out of the 1600 or so Syrians we’ve officially let in so far – some of them have already been arrested for gang-raping little English girls.

    Imagine how enriched we’ll be when the rest arrive!

    Tom – But if they get a sniff of anti immigrant sentiment it is like a red line- normal people are terrified of being seen as racists and bigots and run a mile from any possible assiciation.

    We must move in very different social circles. Most folks I know are sick to their back teeth of this country being zerg-rushed by useless freeloaders.

  56. I’ve never liked Alex Massie, but his article was one of the most rebarbative, venomous pieces I’ve ever read. Typically, it also seems to be a piece that Facebook friends keep posting as if it were a well-regarded section from Edward Coke.

    I’m a reluctant Remain, but I’m starting to think that the attitude to the Leave half of the country on the part of various Remainers will cause permanent damage to this country. You can’t smear that many people as racists whose rhetoric leads to fascist violence and then go back to being matey.

    US style divisions here we come.

  57. @Bloke in Italy,

    Last time (and thankfully only time) I was near someone who was firing a gun (it was in midtown Manhattan if you have to know) I just fucking legged it. No conscious decision was even involved. The brainstem took over, the adrenaline slowed down time so you could dodge the traffic, kung-fu style. I’ve only experienced that perhaps 2 or 3 times in my life. Everyone else on the street did exactly the same thing. There was no question of anyone tackling anybody.

  58. BiG, and yet, it’s been widely reported that a 77 year old man who attempted to tackle him before the (unarmed) cops arrived was slightly injured.

    So…someone clearly did. And no fit youngster, either.

  59. Inimitable Steve–That is the poster that commenters are freaking out over? That?

    FFS–I thought it would be an outtake from the black and white minstrel show the nonsense that is being talked on here.

    How the fuck is that offensive other than to CM scum?

    If pointing out that we don’t want a crew of 18-30 yobs –who as Steve rightly says are already raping little girls despite less than 2000 having been let in so far–is too much for the stomachs of the UK population then we are not only finished –we die in the disgrace of being gutless AND worthless scum. Our brave forefathers will spit on us when they see us coming.

    Biggie–are there any Germans who won’t throw other Germans under a bus to signal what virtuous leftist cunts they are?

    And farmers will get used to paying a proper market rate to locals. If they flush their country to put a pittance of cash in their pockets they will deserve it when their land gets redistributed Mugabe-style in the brave new socialist future.

  60. The Inimitable Steve

    Mr Ecks – I’m glad you said that, because I thought it was just me.

    I was half-expecting, based on some of the rhetoric above, it to be an unholy combination of Der Sturmer cartoon and Um Bongo advert.

    But, nah. It’s just a picture of “refugees”. Apparently – if we can believe Blue Eyes – with the “white faces airbrushed out”.

    He does scant justice to the airbrushers, for not only have they managed to omit the totally-real-and-not-at-all-imaginary blond Norwegian “refugees” from that image, they cunningly tinted their faces and edited their facial features so they look like the sort of blokes we see with depressing regularity in mugshots of gang rapists and jihadi nutters.

    The bastards!

  61. The inimitable Steve

    ‘Most folks I know are sick to their back teeth of this country being zerg-rushed by useless freeloaders.’

    A Starcraft player as well back in the day – Your stock rises yet higher – fantastic!

  62. Apparently two eye-witnesses are now confirming that Mair did shout ‘Britain first’, or ‘Put Britain first’. But so what? Islamic killers shout ‘Allahu Akbar’ and this gets played down (not reported at all, or said to be of no significance). We’re told they must have legitmate grievances, and we should try to accomodate their views. Ore else they’re just mentally ill. Nothing to do with Islam, or Islamic groups, who are anyway reasonable groups with well-founded grievances (and let’s just gloss over their constant calls for death to the infidels).

    But when it’s someone who doesn’t agree with the Guardian doing the murder, then they’re a hate-filled loathsome maggot and anyone or group, however peaceful and positive, who is even vaguely associated with them is evil and needs outlawing and preferably smashing to pieces by the para-miltary police.

  63. Inimitable Steve & Mr Ecks
    It doesn’t really matter what we think of the poster itself – the point is that it seems deliberately calculated to piss off the lefties. As much fun as that might be, it doesn’t seem like a smart tactical move to me. Here’s the test – do you think Leave is more or less likely to win the vote as a result of that poster?

  64. @Geoff, I think, at this stage, what difference does it make?

    I suspect that at the margins, and given the less-than-gentlemanly conduct on both sides, it won’t have much impact.

  65. “US style divisions here we come.”

    Inevitable because like in the US, the Left here sees their opponents as evil, degenerate and not worth debate. It’s hard not to have such divisions when that is the environment politics is conducted in.

  66. The question at the margins really is: will the poster itself piss off more people into voting Remain than the reaction of the Remainers will piss off into voting Leave? Or not?

    And that’s a question I can’t answer.

  67. Inimitable Steve,
    It’s wrong because it’s mean-spirited, and tactically inept.

    The argument is about immigration control, and that argument is surely one. Farage as round-buyer appeals, Farage as golf club bore does not.

    Let Bremain hand out accusations of racism like confetti at a wedding. Insulting the electorate is twattish, and is failing.

    And let’s not forget Osborne’s budget. Farage has made the mistake of interrupting his enemy while his enemy is fucking up.

    There’s an argument for Remain, but the campaign? Osborne? Blair and Brown to the rescue? With EU bigwigs to come? If Leave have any sense, it’ll just be jokes from here until the 23rd.

  68. The Inimitable Steve

    Van_Patten – Speaking of RTS, I’m disappointed C&C Generals never got a sequel. That was a fun game!

    Geoff – Truly dunno. I’m not a cephalopod or nuthin.

    I’d imagine anybody who needs smelling salts after seeing a picture of “refugees” queueing probably wasn’t going to vote Leave anyway. Probably too busy picking up their jumbo pack of Tena Lady.

    I’m pretty sure Farage has put out a lot of posters on different topics. Immivasion is a real concern. I’ve got no problem with him reminding people what the consequences of Remain look like.

    If it turns out our countrymen are such a soft bunch of big girl’s blouses that they run away from voting to restore our national sovereignty because bad scawwy picture, then stick a kebab skewer in Blighty, we’re done.

  69. The Inimitable Steve

    Jack – How’s it “mean spirited”?

    Should he have photoshopped some kittens into the pic?

    As for it being tactically inept, meh. I think you’re overthinking things.

  70. “It’s wrong because it’s mean-spirited, and tactically inept.”

    I should give up drinking. But it’s hard. So I look forward to the future arriving on our doorsteps when this problem is taken care of for me.

  71. Charlie Suet,

    “I’m a reluctant Remain, but I’m starting to think that the attitude to the Leave half of the country on the part of various Remainers will cause permanent damage to this country. You can’t smear that many people as racists whose rhetoric leads to fascist violence and then go back to being matey.”

    John Harris’ piece in the Guardian is one of the best I’ve read on the referendum. Because while he’s a Labour voter and of the Guardian, and I’m certain, Remain, he does go out and meet the public and listen to them, has grasped what this is about and is sympathetic to them.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/17/britain-working-class-revolt-eu-referendum

    Most of what’s been written by remainers in the media, on Facebook and so forth completely misunderstands what’s going on and just looks down on Brexiters. I’m not voting Brexit for this reason, but it’s going to give me huge pleasure if the likes of Polly Toynbee lose this.

  72. Looking at the media coverage of this unfortunate event, it’s another example of where journalists seem to have abandoned reporting in favour of crafting everything to fit in with whatever narrative suits their purpose. So as far as being an information source, the media is past useless into being worse than useless. It’s actually, actively dangerous to use their output to form an opinion on anything.

  73. Mean-spirited, because it’s the wrong target, and refugees will always attract sympathy. There but for the Grace of God, and all that.

    The Scaredy-Cat Remain campaign was on the point of acquiring Joke status, absolutely fatal for politicians (and far worse than regular hatred).

    A poster of Mandelson would have worked better.

  74. Cal–We now have for and against “BF” witnesses. This one says he heard a gunshot and ran over–how far/long it took is not specified.

    “‘I can’t say exactly what it was but definitely Britain first is what he said, what he was shouting”

    I can’t tell but…it definitely was. Hmmm..

    “Describing the gun, he said: ‘He seemed to have what looked like an old gun, like a musket, in his hand and he shot her again in the middle.

    ‘He then seemed to shoot a third time, towards her head or face. He was also stabbing at her with what looked like a hunting knife, about a foot long. He was stabbing her and waving the knife around.

    ‘A man who I know… tried to get near but the man swung his knife around and caught him in the stomach. Blood started coming out.’

    Mr Rothwell, 42, who was working near to the murder scene, said the man shouted ‘Britain first’

    Mr Rothwell, 42, who was working near to the murder scene, said the man shouted ‘Britain first’

    Mr Rothwell said his friend ‘tried to grab him, wrestling with him,’ but the killer lunged at the MP ‘half a dozen times’ with the knife.

    He said the sound of the gunshots sparked pandemonium, with people ‘screaming and running from the area’.

    Mr Rothwell said he attempted to follow the attacker in his van and saw him dump his jacket on the ground, possibly in an attempt to change his appearance.

    Another witness, Graeme Howard, 38, told the Guardian that he had also heard the attacker shout ‘Britain first’ before the shooting and during the arrest.

    ‘I heard the shot and I ran outside and saw some ladies from the cafe running out with towels,’ said Mr Howard, who lives close to the scene. ‘There was loads of screaming and shouting and the police officers showed up.

    ‘He was shouting “Britain first” when he was doing it and being arrested. He was pinned down by two police officers and she was taken away in an ambulance.’

    Hichem Ben Abdallah, 56, who was in the cafe close to the library when he saw the incident said the attacker was ‘kicking her as she was lying on the floor’.

    He said that, after a bystander intervened, the man produced a gun, stepped back and shot Mrs Cox.

    Mr Abdallah said the weapon looked handmade and that the man who had been wrestling with the assailant continued”

    Well enough doubt has now been thrown so that the truth about what was shouted can likely never be established. Unless there is a camera/phone record somewhere.

    Another piece quotes claims about improvised gun book being bought by Mair from the US. The source is the Southern Poverty Law Centre. Amongst the very worst of American leftist scum. I wouldn’t trust those vermin to tell me the time of day. Anything that trash are involved in is suspect to the max.

    Most improvised guns fire commercial ammo and generally do so one shot at a time. The witnesses above (assuming they are so) give a confused account of the gun. Home-made says one–old –like a musket says another. Muskets don’t fire three times rapidly. A repeating, fairly-reliable home made gun turned out by a mental case with no job history and no known manual work training? Also sounds iffy.

  75. I wouldn’t go getting too hung up on trying to prove he didn’t say ‘Britain first’. Because if you hang your hat on that, and then if turns out that he says the same thing in court, and confirms all that, then it looks like (to outsiders) like your argument has collapsed. When of course the fact is that a random loony getting violent is no reflection on the peaceful organizations that he supports (unlike the murdering Muslims loonies who are constantly incited to commit murder by Islamic groups).

    But fair enough to question the account, sure.

    Agree about Southern Poverty Law Centre.

  76. I’m with The Inimitable Steve and Ecksy: there’s nothing wrong with that poster – not that I’m a fan of UKIP, by the way. As for tactics, it’s horses for courses, and immigration is one of the electorate’s top concerns.

  77. Steve,
    Aw, come on.

    An obstacle for Leave is (or was) the perception that too many adherents were bitter, swivel-eyed twats, and all the rest of it.

    And, as you’ve said before, people vote for people. So, Remain were a goal up and with home advantage from the start.

    Then onto our screens come Dave “Pants on Fire” Cameron, George “We’re All Doomed” Osborne, and Mumblin’ Corbyn shuffling about in a confused manner. In support, some arrogant EU technocrats, and a whole string of leaks, own goals and chortlesome scrapes, Some Mothers Do ‘Ave ‘Em!

    Leave should have switched to a largely-Raspberry based campaign, centred on Remain’s so-bad-it’s-funny Project Fear. We love a joke.

  78. Theo,
    But immigration has been done, and won.

    Look at the polls before and after:

    a) At the start of the campaign, and the drift to status quo
    b) Home Office revealed as figure fiddlers
    c) The Turkey revelations

  79. Powell has been proven correct. Muslim immigration has been an utter disaster for the UK and the wider western world.

  80. “the man produced a gun” … “he seemed to have what looked like an old gun, like a musket”

    A musket is a big thing; could you really just “produce” one from about your person?

    Also the witness to the “Britain first” shouts, Clarke Rothwell, is a gas fitter in the Mail and “runs a nearby cafe” in the Sun; I don’t think the Press is covering themselves in glory over their accuracy.

  81. Theo,

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, but keeping Farage away is a good thing. He’s a strong figure that can galvanise people, but he doesn’t have broad appeal. He makes lots of people nervous. The people who really strongly care about immigration are already basically convinced. Its’s now about the waverers, maybe people who think it’s a bit of a waste of money. And that’s about people like Gove and James Dyson who can reassure the public that everything is going to be fine.

  82. Jack C: You come on.

    Not wanting the import of violent sex-assaulting yobs makes you a bitter, swivel-eyed loon? Esp since 20 thou agreed is only the tip of the iceberg. Once the Germans have badged them all up they could all wander over here if the mood takes them.

  83. The Inimitable Steve

    Jack – And, as you’ve said before, people vote for people.

    Touche!

    And I find your line of reasoning quite compelling, but I just don’t see the facts in the same light.

    Like Theo said, horses for courses. A lot of folks don’t give a stuff about abstruse debates over sovereignty, budgets and whatnot. They do care about immigration. If this poster helps get more of those folks to vote Leave next week, it’ll have been a success. If not, a failure.

    But fundamentally, there’s nothing wrong with the poster. It’s not racist, or hatey, or beyond the bounds of civilised discourse, or whatever.

    It’s just a picture of cultural enrichers, the like of which well over a million have already invaded Germany in the past year alone. With predictably horrible results.

    I like all the fun, lighthearted knockabout silly stuff, but this is a serious, civilisation-threatening problem which Farage is right, in my view, to raise.

    If it turns out next Friday that we’re a country of pearl-clutching, lily-livered nervous nellies, well – we’ll have far bigger problems than just the EU.

  84. ” chivvying voters into turning their backs on the world”

    Why do we let them get away with this?

    We are planning to leave the EU so that we can play a full and proper part in the world, you tossers.

    As the Spectator says “Out – and into the world”.

    We really must not let these people frame the debate.

  85. Ecks,
    I’m not talking about what I think, it’s about what waverers think, most of whom are average, sensible people with limited time and interest in politics.

    The Stigler has it right.

    It’s hard to exaggerate how inept and slapstick the Remain campaign has been. This is a huge asset for Leave. I mean, who are the “loons and fruitcakes” now?

  86. Jesus, just saw the Daily Star headline at the shop — “Killed by Brexit gunman” splashed across the front page. Outrageous double standards.

  87. The Inimitable Steve

    BTW Jack – and only time will tell if you’re right or not about the tone the Leave campaign should take in the last few days of campaigning…

    I’m not sure the happy fun times angle is viable just now, due to that MP being murdered yesterday. It’d just seem off.

  88. Steve,
    Yes, it’s serious. Deadly serious, and not just for us. The euro is bad enough.

    Make Cameron, Osborne and the rest figures of fun, and the referendum is won. There is no way back from that.

    The point is to prove that the Remain leaders are NOT the sober, serious, consensus. They are very naughty boys. (And girls).

  89. @JuliaM,

    If the report is true he’s a braver man than I. Probably can’t run as fast either.

  90. Jack C: “Ecks,
    I’m not talking about what I think, it’s about what waverers think, most of whom are average, sensible people with limited time and interest in politics.”

    The word you are looking for is victims. If their average sensibleness consists of the inability to see blatant evil when said evil is trying to push itself up their nostrils–then victim is the only word. Real victims as well: not clients of bogus victimology but the kind that end up destroyed and dead.

  91. http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/re-using-nazi-propaganda-good-for-the-environment-says-farage-20160617109593

    Parody shits all over you.

    Are you guys for real? How is leaving the EU going to have an effect on non-EU immigration?

    Thick.Racist.Pricks.

    Unfortunately for me, I agree with Ironman (in combined threads – they’re all the same baseless wankery).

    It’s like you’re all having a sleepover at Ecks’s, reading Amateur Combatant and spuffing all over pictures of cross-bows.

  92. “How is leaving the EU going to have an effect on non-EU immigration?”

    By not being tied in to the EU’s “Verteilschlüssel” for people Fra u Merkel kindly and personally invited to come to North Europe.

  93. The remainers are shitting themselves that we are truly for real, Larry.

    If we leave, we get to decide who comes and who stays. Europe can keep the muzzles they choose to invite in.

  94. LarrArnold–keep your hair on son–you don’t want it going all over the burgers.

    Brexit would be such a kick in the teeth for the scum of the left lots of things will become possible.

    Touched by your sympathy for the human tragedy tho’.

    Still I suppose if you not only don’t give a shit about the 150 million victims of socialism but actually glory in their deaths as did those who murdered them-well,what is one more life eh Laz.

  95. “If we leave, we get to decide who comes and who stays”

    Only EU immigration. We can stop non-EU immigration now. In fact we already do.

  96. Still, sympathy for Lawrence as there’s been a lot of rain in the channel Islands lately so income from busking must be low.

  97. But we don’t have to take the formerly non-EU citizens granted EU citizenship. The EU is being swamped by economic migrants, primarily from a Medieval, barbaric cult, we already have too many of them, we don’t need any more.

  98. Ecks

    “Brexit would be such a kick in the teeth for the scum of the left lots of things will become possible.”

    How exactly will it ” be such a kick in the teeth for the scum of the left lots of things will become possible.”?

    So we may may be able to reduce the number of white Europeans coming into the UK. I’m not sure there’s much of a ‘kick in the teeth’ for anyone, really.

    We may be able to reverse some legislation that we don’t agree with. In which case, what are they, and how will they benefit the UK?

    Apart from the gloss of ‘repatriating’ ‘powers’ back to Westminster, and remember you really, really hate Westminster, how will that make the UK a better place to live in?

    How will it benefit Worstall, or you Eccles?

    Will you start to feel proud again, Worstall, enjoying the benefits deep in the EU?

    What about you, Ecks? Will you be thumping your chest to the national anthem dreaming of the past?

    Will you look up to Michael Gove and see a modern hero of the democratic tradition?

    The whole thing is just odd. A very noisy odd.

    Again, by the time you haven’t read this I’ll already be accused of the mass genocide of the solar system, my mum will be a whore of Pol Pot, and my offspring will be raping all the first-born in Oxfordshire; I’ll restate that my preference for remain isn’t driven by a hatred of you cunts, which is pretty much all your arguments, it’s simple pragmatism.

    Would we join if we had the choice now? I dunno, every man and his dog seems to want to. I guess we’d put ourselves vaguely in the same position we are in now. Not pegged, but involved.

    Isn’t that real life?

  99. DocBud

    I look forward to you joining the campaigns to extricate ourselves from being dependent on Saudi and various arab oil states.

    While we’re at it, maybe those commie Chinese that seem to want to be involved in our infrastructure should be opposed also.

  100. And those links to the corrupt former Soviet states.

    Perhaps we should become the 51st State of America?

    You know, that federal nation of immigrants.

  101. Well, I’m now convinced by this profound analysis. Ecksy jerks off to pictures of the Boer War so we should vote Remain. Of course.

  102. Not sure how you get there, Tel, I’m just wondering what’s in it for Ecks. Because you know damn well he wanks to pictures in the Survivalists Monthly album 1971.

  103. Tim – even taking out Lawence’s contributions if this continues (i.e the comments total breaches 200) is it time for a portentous piece of guff demanding the government listens to you as the piece has ‘proven this is an issue on which society demands a response’……?

  104. Leaving the brexit angle aside I’m still wondering why shouting Britain First was chauvinistic.
    Though given the recent idiocy over the Canada anthem being changed to be more gender inclusive and much being made of it being the last act of a terminally ill MP and how he might not live to see it fully enacted etc. I’m not surprised there are people jumping all over this for political purpose

  105. @John Galt, how do the farmers feel about restrictions on migrant labour?

    It’s a concern, right up there with what will happen regarding to subsidies.

    Since I had no idea, I said so, but I also reminded them that there was life before the EU Free Movement directive and that if specific visas needed to be issued for temporary migrant labour, then this would happen, to both ensure security of food supply and to provide transitional arrangements beyond our EU membership.

    As there is no “government in waiting” for the “Leave” campaign, that is about all I could say, but I think it reflects the reality of the situation with regard to a “Leave” result regardless of who is in power.

    This of course presumes that if we get a “Leave” result the politicians will actually allow us to leave the EU. That one I cannot answer.

  106. @Machiavelli,

    That’s just priceless. How will the Graunidistas feel to have been a pawn in a Britain First / BNP spat… on the side of the BNP!!!!!!

    trolololol!

  107. “The BNP thanks the Graunidad, BBC, Star etc. for their help in its fight against the splittist faction “Britain First””

  108. Hey Lawrence and Rusty, I hope you both feel suitably dirty for having uncritically believed and repeated an BNP’er’s propaganda against a splittist faction.

    Unless you still want to believe, X-Files style, that is 😉

  109. So, actually the most accurate analysis was “false flag”, but they missed the subject – the attacker wasn’t the false flag, it was the witness who made a false claim to further the BNP’s spat with Britain First. So the witness was effectively a “false flag by proxy” (I’m searching for a better term, but I’m going with that for the moment).

  110. Go out for a few hours and a tide of red sewage overtops the sea defences from the direction of Gurn-Sea.

    “We can stop non-EU immigration now. In fact we already do.”

    We stop a few. But the upper-class CM Pig-Fucker and his friends don’t want them stopped. Cos they hate white working class folks as much as you do Larii. ZaNu and BluLab should really join forces –save a fortune on admin costs.

    “How exactly will it ” be such a kick in the teeth for the scum of the left lots of things will become possible.”?”

    Because it will be a sign that ordinary folk have had a gutful of shite like you and your middle and upper class white hating fellow travellers. The message “Fuck off you scum” will count for a lot. Crossing the Rubicon so to speak.

    And it will destroy Camorgueron and the Grinning Skull.

    “So we may may be able to reduce the number of white Europeans coming into the UK. I’m not sure there’s much of a ‘kick in the teeth’ for anyone, really.”

    You waycist cunt.

    If the refuse of the Mid-East now trying to get here where the same colour they are but were otherwise 100% cricket playing Englishmen ( or equivalent for Welsh/Scots) I wouldn’t give a shit about their colour. It is their lousy culture and the beliefs on which that lousy culture rests and the scummy actions that culture considers A-OK that I don’t want in my country.

    You, as the leftist prick you are, would welcome Satan and his hosts arriving it helped to destroy this nation and Western civilisation in general. Because you are scum.

    “Apart from the gloss of ‘repatriating’ ‘powers’ back to Westminster, and remember you really, really hate Westminster, how will that make the UK a better place to live in?”

    Lesser of two weevils Laz. And after the kicking Brexit will give the confidence of TPTB the shell-shocked survivors will be easier to pressure. Oh there is a world of anti-left work to do after Brexit. But a flying start is good.

    “What about you, Ecks? Will you be thumping your chest to the national anthem dreaming of the past?”

    I dream of the future Laz –when socialism is utterly destroyed.

    “Will you look up to Michael Gove and see a modern hero of the democratic tradition?”

    Gove is just another political hack. If he helps destroy the EU, good for him. He is nothing special beyond that. Just another creep like you Arnie–whose cup runs over with plans for the “better” organising of others lives. Leaving the EU will break a lot of cups for good.

    “The whole thing is just odd. A very noisy odd.”

    A weird like you can talk.

    “Again, by the time you haven’t read this I’ll already be accused of the mass genocide of the solar system, my mum will be a whore of Pol Pot, and my offspring will be raping all the first-born in Oxfordshire;”

    Don’t come it numb-nuts. You support a creed that has murdered millions. You either deny those murders which makes you lying scum or you endorse them which puts you at the heart of hell or you shrug and say “how sad, too bad, worth it tho'” which puts you right up Satan’s arsehole. All such attitudes are disgraceful: shockingly bad– as are you.

    If you give a shit about those human lives you would abandon and denounce socialism this very night. You never will tho’ Lazzer will you.

    “I’ll restate that my preference for remain isn’t driven by a hatred of you cunts, which is pretty much all your arguments, it’s simple pragmatism.”

    Yeah–of course Lars–simple pragmatism. The cunts of the EU are rotten statist socialist tyrants–you want statist and socialist tyranny and the destruction of your own white kind so simplest to stay with ’em. Makes perfeck sense.

    “Would we join if we had the choice now? I dunno, every man and his dog seems to want to. I guess we’d put ourselves vaguely in the same position we are in now. Not pegged, but involved.

    Isn’t that real life?”

    More rambling shite. Get the grease fumes checked out Arnie–they’re doing your never-very-strong brain in. Maybe you could get a lawsuit against McD.

    ” I look forward to you joining the campaigns to extricate ourselves from being dependent on Saudi and various arab oil states.

    While we’re at it, maybe those commie Chinese that seem to want to be involved in our infrastructure should be opposed also.

    And those links to the corrupt former Soviet states.

    Perhaps we should become the 51st State of America?

    You know, that federal nation of immigrants.”

    The world would be vastly better off without the Saudi Royal family, the ChiCom scum still lording it over China, the unofficial gangsters who replaced the official soviet gangsters after 1989 and the US Federal Tyranny, all of whom stink up the world. The world would also be vastly better off without the scum of the EU.

    The icing on the cake would be a world without the RoP and socialism– two mental plagues that are pushing decency and humanity towards a cliff edge.

    As for America and migrants–those migrants were part of western civilisation for the most part. Not hate filled leftists or welfare-seekers or fanatics who piss on freedom and can’t bare(sic) to look at pictures of women in bikinis on Tube station walls.

    “Not sure how you get there, Tel, I’m just wondering what’s in it for Ecks.”

    To see socialism wail as it falls into Hell and to the enjoy the misery of garbage like you Laz. And esp to enjoy the misery of arrogant garbage like Drunker and Merkin as their schemes collapse around their ears.

    ” Because you know damn well he wanks to pictures in the Survivalists Monthly album 1971.2

    And you wank while reading the Gulag Archipelago Arnald–and fantasising you are one of the guards.

    And all over the burgers of course.

    Which is when your bosses caught you and forced you to change your name to LANRAY as part of the monster clean-up you had to do.

  111. Larry,

    Not clear where wanting to have less Muslim migration translates into wanting to stop trading with the rest of the world. I don’t have a problem with migration as such (“I like curry, etc.), but I have a problem with importing large numbers of people who believe in an evil, barbaric ideology that is pretty much diametrically opposed to our values and who expect us to compromise our values to accommodate their dumb beliefs. The western world would be a lot better place without Muslim migration, I cannot think of anything of significant value it has brought us. Now that we know it is a problem, we need to stop it and where possible reverse it.

  112. hmm abacab

    Yep, you’re a twat…like the rest of you Thick.Racist.Pricks.

    (Ironman, tax nonsense is irrelevant compared to wankers like this)

  113. Doccy

    Criminals are criminals. We, in the UK, have a system that is a model of fair justice.

    The EU shares these values. That’s why the UK has been integral to its development.

    People like you keep bleating on and on that there’ll be some muslamic takeover of ‘western democracy’ by a medieval caliphate and that your daughters will be wearing the burkha and you’ll have to drink goat’s blood.

    In fact, Timothy Worstall is so certain this will happen that his blog, a mouthpiece of his ideals, espouses cultural hatred, and it should be a touchstone for any right thinking libertarian.

    It’s patently true that a vote to not be part of the EU will stop those migrants that have nothing to do with the EU comin’ over ‘ere, stealin’ our jobs, rapin’ our daughters, an’ stealin’ your dear ole ma’s money box.

    BRITAIN IS FULL.

    of cunts.

    but then hardly any of you live in england, do you?

  114. I’ve never bleated on about any of that stuff, Larry. Muslims are a problem even when a minority, especially in those areas they turn into Muslim ghettos.

    I note that the new London Mayor seems to think women on advertising posters should wear the burkha to protect his daughters.

  115. LANRAY

    “Criminals are criminals. We, in the UK, have a system that is a model of fair justice.”

    Leftist turd supports British “justice”. Shame you are as wrong as ever. We have a failing system corrupted by cultural Marxist shite from your EU pals.

    “The EU shares these values.”

    No it doesn’t–it stands for corpus juris –euroshite in which anything not specifically allowed by some law is illegal. The exact reverse of British common law.

    “That’s why the UK has been integral to its development.”

    Tripe–they have stolen our money and plagued us with the bureaucratic shite–that’s all.

    “People like you keep bleating on and on that there’ll be some muslamic takeover of ‘western democracy’ by a medieval caliphate and that your daughters will be wearing the burkha and you’ll have to drink goat’s blood.”

    That is because we can do maths dickwad. You are innumerate –that’s why the never let you take the money instead of getting all those grease fumes in your lungs–and you have an especial blind spot around the number 150 million. Just shuts your brain and your gob down so it does.

    “In fact, Timothy Worstall is so certain this will happen that his blog, a mouthpiece of his ideals, espouses cultural hatred,”

    Whereas a turd like you –who wants the country flooded with 18-30 yobbo rapists and jihadis doesn’t hate his own white kind at all. Of course not.

    ” and it should be a touchstone for any right thinking libertarian.”

    It should so they can assault their eyes with your tripe and know the kind of lying, venal socialistic scum they are up against.

    “It’s patently true that a vote to not be part of the EU will stop those migrants ”

    It is a start to the fightback against shite like you.

    “but then hardly any of you live in england, do you?”

    Neither do you you fucking scumbag.

    Talk about brazen hypocrisy..

  116. but then hardly any of you live in england, do you?

    Bit rich coming from you Lawrence / Arnald, since you live in the crown dependency of Guernsey which is neither a part of the United Kingdom, nor a part of the European Union.

    Since you’ve no skin in this game, why don’t you leave the discussion to the adults, heh?

  117. Galt

    Adults? Like your comment?

    My passport is English, I have a choice of nationality (French), it’s been a while since I’ve looked at the rules, mind.

    I’m on a temporary licence in Guernsey, when it expires I go back home to England.

    Guernsey is a constitutional shambles, I wouldn’t wish it on any Englishman.

    Next question?

    Ecks

    It must be difficult being you. I expect you sit on a park bench shouting at the trees denouncing them as mass murderers. Is there anything you believe in that isn’t driven by psychosis?

    I know I’ve asked you before, but all you could tell me is that you wish for some fantasy wild, wild west. Putting aside Champion the Wonder Horse (don’t mention Black Beauty, eh Ecks) for a minute, was England ever somewhere you like?

    When in history do you think England was somewhere you’d be happy to live in? Because you’re not happy now.

  118. Never mind your mad shite Arnie–endorse the millions of murders done by your fellow socialists or stand up like something resembling a human being and denounce socialism for what it is.

    It could be a Saul/ Paul moment ( not going to say Road to Damascus because I already used the Bob/Bing bit) for you. A step back into the light.

    But no–you’ll waffle your usual mixture of shite and venom.

    Better get back to cleaning the bathrooms out Arn– shift’s not over yet.

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