Timmy elsewhere

At the ASI:

Our word, a week really is a long time in politics isn’t it? For George Osborne comes out of his post-referendum funk induced purdah to tell us all that he was just kidding. No, really, you didn’t actually take the Chancellor of the Exchequer seriously did you? Ha, ha, gotcha!

30 thoughts on “Timmy elsewhere”

  1. Since the referendum we’ve learnt from their own mouths that Farage was only kidding about the £350m, Johnson was only kidding about wanting to leave the EU, Osborne was only kidding about an emergency budget, but, despite all appearances, Corbyn wasn’t only kidding about wanting to stay in.

    Just so long as we made a well-informed decision, what does it matter?

  2. Whinge on Marxist.

    There weren’t any complaints when you thought you were going to win.

    And getting back our right to decide on our laws trumps the money bullshit anyway.

    We still have to deal with our own political and leftist scum but that is easier than being under a gang that exists to ensure we all get only what political/bureaucratic scum decide we are going to have.

  3. SJW-

    I think it is fundamentally mistaken, and frankly an insult to the British public, to suggest that the referendum was consequential to the campaigns. It implies that we have no opinions or will, that we have not thought about these issues for months or years, that we just sat dumbly watching some advertising and chose the PR we liked best.

    Many people seem to believe that PR causes decisions. That if you showed me the right advertising I’d be persuaded to kill the Jews in gas chambers or push Twix bars up my arse, that I have no internal will at all.

    This has been a huge issue for decades. People have thought about it and had strong opinions for a very long time. People were not voting for Vote Leave or for Stronger In or whatever they were called, but on the issue of the future of this country as a sovereign state or member of the EU. Please bear that in mind.

  4. Bloke in North Dorset

    Paul,

    Since Blair we have become accustomed to spin that verges on the lying, prior to that it was just being economical with the truth, and as a consequence surveys show that vast majority of people discount what politicians say.

  5. Ian B,

    It did swing, but I believe it was that there were lots of nervous leavers that switched. People who thought “better be safe” and I don’t think they were so much convinced by Leave as put off by Remain.

    I honestly reckon that Cameron telling the public 2 days before that we could renegotiate some more and Juncker telling him no was what tipped it. Right before the vote, the PM destroys his own credibility.

    And if anyone thinks that a cap wearing, bicycling, vegetarian, terrorist-hugging old Marxist like Corbyn would have changed the vote in places like Swindon, Northampton and Sunderland, they are kidding. It probably did more for Remain for him to stay away.

  6. “Farage was only kidding about the £350m”

    FFS, Farage didn’t make that claim. He wasn’t in the official Leave campaign. Didn’t you notice the liberal Leavers froze him out?

    “Johnson was only kidding about wanting to leave the EU,”

    Possibly. That’s still to be ascertained.

    “Osborne was only kidding about an emergency budget”

    Yes, he was just kidding. Aka lying.

  7. Farage was only kidding about the £350m

    Farage wasn’t part of the Vote Leave campaign. So why would he feel any responsibility for any of the claims or policies they announced?

  8. You seriously expected a SJW to be informed, about, well, anything ?

    They live in an echo chamber (there was a good article refd on Guido about this effect a couple of days ago).

    SJW probably never reads your articles, simply hit and run posting.

    They have a remarkable ability to see and think only what they want. So Farage “promised the £350m to the NHS” according to much of the media.

    Well, no, he didn’t. He may well have told umpteen other lies, but this particular one is nothing to do with him at all. He’s not even in “Vote Leave”.

    Had this yesterday. There was some Indy article ref’d me by some lefty site (I read them sometimes, know your enemy) as showing that Mail readers were appalled at the consequences of Brexit.

    Five minutes research. Firstly the Indy misrepresented (surprise) the Mail, the Mail had written things like “you may not have an automatic right to work in the EU, you might have to apply for a visa” – this had been Indyfied as just “you can’t work in the EU”.

    I kept posting direct quotes from both articles, but he wouldn’t have it ……. I think the argument was because the words were there it was accurate.

    And the Mail readers complaining , six selected out of about 1800 responses.

  9. ” if anyone thinks that a cap wearing, bicycling, vegetarian, terrorist-hugging old Marxist like Corbyn would have changed the vote in places like Swindon, Northampton and Sunderland, they are kidding. It probably did more for Remain for him to stay away.”

    Corbyn probably did as much for the Leave camp as anyone else with his pronouncement that a vote for Remain meant no upper limit on immigration at all. Anyone wavering on the free movement issue at that point was given a massive shove to leave.

  10. Yeah right. No one believed the £350m lie. Except that when I pointed out on here that it was a lie, most of the comments disagreed with me.

    And it was nothing to do with Farage. Except that he kept quiet about its being a lie until immediately after the vote.

    Ian B: it’s deeply offensive to make throwaway remarks about gas chambers.

  11. SJW

    “And it was nothing to do with Farage. Except that he kept quiet about its being a lie until immediately after the vote.”

    So all Muslims that don’t condemn Islamic terror are terrorists?

  12. Shall I make some throwaway remarks about Gulags then SJW?

    They don’t bother you do they?

    Of the commenters on this blog, you are one of those who still espouse and support a creed that has performed mass murder so it ill behoves you to be laying some sanctimonious guilt-trip on others.

  13. X: give it a rest. I’ve never written a word in support of Stalin’s evil murders.

    Ian B: I thought you might not have realised. But if you’re doing it consciously to reveal the sort of person you are, that’s your right.

  14. Hang on, only the terminally stupid would have interpreted the bus slogan as “we’ll give 350M a week to the NHS”. It was intended to be misleading – yes – to the terminally stupid, who get a vote too (although plenty of Remainers on my FB page seem intent on moving away from one-person-one-vote and towards disenfranchising the old, having intelligence tests, weighting young people’s votes heavily, and so on).

  15. Oh yes, abacab, I find nothing more disgusting than the FB meltdown about how voting should have been weighted by age. Universal suffrage is not a concept I’m willing to fuck with. To disappointed Remainers though, anything goes.

    Can you imagine if they had proposed this before the referendum?

  16. SJW–You’ve never written a word in support of Uncle Joe.

    Oh well that absolves you then. Being part of the gang that did the deeds is ok so long as you keep your opinions to yourself.

  17. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Can you imagine if they had proposed this before the referendum?”

    More importantly imagine the head explosions if we’d proposed an intelligence test, which most of the hoof would have failed.

  18. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    As one who voted for Lexit, and whose timeline on the FB echo chamber is chock full of SJWs, I decided to deactivate my account on Saturday; I couldn’t stand all the bellyaching from disappointed Remainers – some of the prejudice displayed against the English working class on my timeline was absolutely sickening; as bad as the racism which is apparently the preserve of the Leave voters only.

  19. Bloke in North Dorset

    I think I must have I must have been in a parallel universe because when I I heard the claims by leavers I heard could not would.

  20. WP,

    I’m shocked at friends of mine supporting a petition for a 2nd ballot. I’ve kicked things around a room after ballots before and shouted “you stupid bastards” but calling for a “doesn’t count” is just fascism.

  21. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Corbyn probably did as much for the Leave camp as anyone else with his pronouncement that a vote for Remain meant no upper limit on immigration at all. Anyone wavering on the free movement issue at that point was given a massive shove to leave.”

    Politician tells truth and gets to potentially lose his job. Sums up the state of our politics.

    Du you reckon he’s bright enough to have dome that on purpose?

  22. I was a street campaigner for Vote “Leave” (the non-Farage bunch) and tackled the £350 million per week argument time and again.

    I explained that it was a gross figure as the net figure was hard to determine, but gross or net it was at least £120 million a week which is a vast amount.

    The other point that I made is that the net figure relates to spending which is not determined by us, but by the EU and as with foreign aid spending a lot of that is spent on things most people would object to, simply to propagandise the EU.

    Regardless, that £350 still comes out of taxpayers pockets every bloody week. Should they be grateful that some of it goes to the Tyne and Wear Marxist Theatre collective?

  23. that £350 still comes out of taxpayers pockets every bloody week

    Sigh. You just can’t kill a lie. £350m is the gross amount before the rebate, which never goes to Brussels and therefore never comes from the taxpayer.

  24. Sigh. You just can’t kill a lie.

    It’s a bit bloody rich for a socialist to be moaning about a lie being half-way round the world before the truth has pulled its boots on.

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