Timmy’s fun elsewhereJune 29, 2016 Tim WorstallTimmy Elsewhere26 CommentsThe Most Ludicrous Brexit Claim Yet – Britain Will Starve My thanks to Charlie Suet in the comments for alerting me to the New Yorker piece. Jeez, what are these people thinking? previousWeird Brexit predictionnextGuardian headline writers have a rethink 26 thoughts on “Timmy’s fun elsewhere” dearieme June 29, 2016 at 5:04 pm Never mind starve, we might be subjected to a truffle embargo. That’ll teach us. Mark T June 29, 2016 at 5:26 pm The entire lib left media seem to have organised a shark jumping Olympics this week. In fact, an interesting experiment is being revealed; it is becoming apparent that the majority of commentators in the media are eloquent but ignorant Wikipedia instant experts who cut and paste with no thought or fact checking. The fact that this lot ( including the Editor) clearly do not know even the most basic economics is scary though Theophrastus June 29, 2016 at 5:59 pm And the Remnants consider their options: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/uk-voted-for-brexit-but-is-there-a-way-back Nemo June 29, 2016 at 6:10 pm What’s with the whole ‘dependency’ twaddle anyway? That someone selling you something suddenly makes you ‘dependent’. I’ve just bought a pair of flip-flops, but don’t feel the least bit dependent on C&A. These people build straw men big enough to give Edward Woodward a sense of déjà-vu! john77 June 29, 2016 at 7:06 pm I voted for Remain but I am having repeatedly to explain that this is not the end of the world (except for those 100% dependent on sugar beet). Before we joined the EEC, we imported lots of food from the Commonwealth and foreign countries e.g Fray Bentos *corned beef* (meat pies wouldn’t have travelled nearly as well). Once we leave the EU we exit the CAP and common fisheries policy so fresh fish will get more plentiful in the Uk and scarcer in Spain, less UK farmland will have to be “set-aside”, the milk quotas designed to ensure that we have to import milk and milk products from France will be abolished, hill farm subsidies will cease to be illegal so some crofts will become economic (albeit that will depend on them earning more from B&B than farming), we can import sugar from Mauritius and the Carribean instead of Slovakia. Of course it will take time to re-establish hill farms left derelict at various times in the last 40 years, sugar plantations covered in weeds, but only a year or two to rebuild dairy herds and bring much of the “set-aside” back under cultivation. PeteC June 29, 2016 at 8:59 pm Interesting analysis john77, thanks. Agriculture and the CAP have not really been discussed a great deal in the context of Brexit IMO. jgh June 29, 2016 at 9:17 pm With any luck, my milkman will find the economics allow him to sell green top milk again. Cal June 29, 2016 at 9:20 pm Virtually none of crapness of EU regulation got discussed in the debate. This seemed to be Dominic Cummings’ policy. He wanted to focus on the 3 big issues that resonated with his focus groups. Cal June 29, 2016 at 9:22 pm The New Yorker, of course, has no comments. Pat June 29, 2016 at 9:39 pm So the EU might not take our money? I’m damn sure somebody will. I’d prefer a political alliance with those that will. Project fear is continuing, now as a rearguard. We need to keep fighting. Cal June 29, 2016 at 9:45 pm The Professor concerned, Tim Lang, also turns out to be a Guardian writer. No great surprise there. He’s even written a similar article for The Guardian. (Bee Wilson’s New Yorker article is basically just a rehash of what Lang thinks.) Lang is Professor at City University, so he probably even knows Murphy. David Moore June 29, 2016 at 9:47 pm This is a good example of why planned economies fail. Even at its most simple level, otherwise supposedly rational people are completely ignorant to why things happen in an economy. Ian B June 29, 2016 at 10:04 pm It’s actually not saying we’ll starve. It’s saying we won’t eat up our greens and thus have a non-Proggie approved diet, which they define as malnutrition. Johnnydub June 29, 2016 at 11:14 pm We should focus on Africa. The EU via the CAP absolute;ly shits on Africa. It imposes a 28% tariff on its products and dumps it excess production on African markets. Far more effective than foreign aid. Trade not Aid as Dambisa Moyo and many others have said… The Inimitable Steve June 30, 2016 at 12:03 am Johnnydub – Yarp. Instead of patronising the funny little coloured people by encouraging them to work on unsustainable “FairTrade” vanity farms – whose only added value is status signalling for clueless spoilt Rafes and Cressidas – treat them as equals and have proper free trade with Africa. It may (or may not) be difficult to wangle a trade deal with the EU, but who’s going to argue that we need “protecting” from African cabbages? Getting out of CAP and CFP is one of the most exciting benefits of Brexit because we’ll be able to see tangible benefits PDQ. Imagine that – Britain, a proper country with the ability to make its own deals in the world! Ruddy marvellous. Ltw June 30, 2016 at 12:50 am Australia still has a large agricultural surplus. I’m sure we’ll forgive you for 40 years of trade barriers locking us out if you’re willing to pony up some cash 🙂 Fred Z June 30, 2016 at 1:24 am In 2011-2012 you lot bought about 498,000 tonnes of wheat from the EU and only about 306,000 tonnes from us here in Canada. If the EU won’t sell you wheat, we will. Need any lumber? Coal? Uranium? Cash is King and the EU should FOAD. So Much For Subtlety June 30, 2016 at 1:43 am Ltw – “Australia still has a large agricultural surplus. I’m sure we’ll forgive you for 40 years of trade barriers locking us out if you’re willing to pony up some cash” Isn’t Australia trying to farm truffles too? So with the help of those Down Under the dreaded truffle embargo might well be overcome with some British pluck and determination. Liberal Yank June 30, 2016 at 2:12 am “Perhaps if they spent a little less time thinking about the placement of commas and a little more about basic logic things would improve.” But, the correct placement, in a sentence, of a comma is one of the most important things, in their minds, that an educated, according to their standards of education, person can strive, but not succeed as they won’t be able to correct our ignorance, to accomplish in life. Ian B June 30, 2016 at 3:57 am Tim Lang’s biography. Draw your own conclusions- http://www.city.ac.uk/people/academics/timothy-lang BigFire June 30, 2016 at 3:57 am re: Johnnydub A good deal of the trade deals with Africa deals with French preferences towards its former colonies. Ian B June 30, 2016 at 3:59 am By the way, he’s a “hill farmer” and organic too, so almost certainly uneconomic without EU protections and subsidies. Alex June 30, 2016 at 6:59 am FWIW: The CAP and the damage to Africa is precisely the reason I voted for Leave. Like many UK churches, our church has links with Africa, and in March I spent an evening in the pub listening to an Ugandan archdeacon’s eloquent explanation of the problems CAP causes to his neighbouring farmers (and the wastefulness of aid). Ian B June 30, 2016 at 7:11 am The last thing they want is economic development in Africa. That will severely damage the NGO industry. Chris June 30, 2016 at 8:43 am Some snobbish twat called Philippe Sands is in the Speccie today quoting an oncologist of his acquaintance: ‘children with cancer will definitely suffer (from loss of EU funding.)’ I think we have a winner in the shroud-waving competition. Ltw June 30, 2016 at 12:53 pm “Need any lumber? Coal? Uranium?” Oi, Fred Z! Don’t steal our new export market! SMFS, yes, there are a number of Aust truffle commercial producers up and running, not all doing well but some have been around for a few years. I think for now they’re mostly selling to the local market, but if the French really think they’re going to restrict supply they might get a shock. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.