What I learned from trying — and failing — to stop Brexit

I think this is one of the many blogs our host posts that falls into the category of “I read this webshite so you don’t have to”, which is a proper public service.

How many more of these “London Bubble” cunt-links are we going to have to put up with on here Tim?

All of them peddle the same shite ie Well off prick says– “I’m All Right Jack – you ignorant waycist twats haven’t been educated enough by your smarter betters like me”

Unstated is –of course–“And now my nice cosy lifestyle is under threat–what about the ethnic restaurants I love, what about cheap au pairs/nannys , what about Poppy & Sebastian” and Nandoo’s (sic) restaurant”

To which the answer is –“Fuck you Bubbler.” . Hopefully–when the real worldwide economic meltdown comes the inhabitants of the “London Nasty Bubble” will come boiling out to play and show these cunts how very un-nice life can get.

Serve ’em right.

PS-Poppy & Sebastian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LS8QFVixYo

The sight of the daft cow blubbering cos she thinks Brexit will close Nandoo’s restaurant–whatever and wherever the Hell that is– is on this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn_6sU7O43w

The interesting thing (well not that interesting, but it’s a thing) coming out of all the morning after analysis is their lack of acknowledgement of the human will. They see human action (of the voters) as simply a reflection of campaigns. If you lose the vote, your campaign wasn’t good enough. Not that people who had considered an issue perhaps for many years had formed a particular opinion and voted that way at the referendum.

They never wonder whether their own actions are also formed in that manner, though. I wonder why.

Some people seem to think they are born to rule and the rest of us should just agree.

It does usually work that way I admit.

I didn’t see any mention of sovereignty in that article, the biggest issue for most voters.

There are huge, huge numbers of people for whom the EU can never do any wrong and who will laugh in your face if you try and argue otherwise.

The sort of people who defend pointless, pettifogging legislation about things like bananas. They’ve normally never worked in a small business and don’t understand how much time dealing with needless red tape takes up.

The sort of people who tell you that it doesn’t matter that Juncker et al are unelected, because they were appointed by people who were. As if shareholders of a company would be happy if the directors they appointed delegated people above them to make the key decisions.

They brag about being guided by experts, but if you point out that economists as different as Friedman and Krugman both thought the Euro was a bad idea they will again shrug it off as if it was nothing.

The EU has created huge youth unemployment and helps keep African economies in poverty. But it still gets a reputation among the young for being “progressive”.

Ian B,

Indeed. This is really about 20 years of trouble stored up, of ignoring what Maastricht meant, raising immigration, calling anti-immigrant groups racist for even pointing out the rise in numbers, of trying to lock up Nick Griffin, of asylum seekers getting better treatment than the unemployed, of Brown lying about Lisbon, Brown calling an anti-immigration woman a bigot, Brown lying about “British Jobs for British People”, Brown lying about immigration, Cameron lying about immigration. Cameron lying about negotiation. Cameron lying about renegotiation.

I might have already said this yesterday or something, but I bet ten years from now finding anyone who’ll admit to voting Remain will be as hard as finding someone who’ll admit to voting for Blair is now.

I think the Eurozone would have to collapse entirely – and at the right time – before the Remainers would admit that there were any virtues to leaving.

The counter-factual to the economic difficulties we’ll face over the next decade will be the claim that we could have had easy prosperity under the EU.

If the EU collapses close to Brexit, it’ll be our fault. If it happens shortly afterwards then we won’t be properly shielded from it. We’d have to be far enough away from it to be slightly insulated – that’ll take time.

It occured to me recently that strangely we have Gordon Brown to thank for all this. He kept us out of the Euro.

If we’d been in the Euro in 2008, it would have been credited with saving our economy and no chance of getting out of the EU would have occurred. Being outside it for the Crash was a big help.

@ Ian B
Yes, we have Gordon B Ruin to thank for that. God, how it sticks in the throat actually crediting him with something positive given what he did to pensions and the economy as a whole. But credit where it’s due …

The only reason Brown resisted the euro was because Blair wanted in. Had Blair wanted out we’d have been in the moment Brown became PM – if not before.

“It was down to the Bottlers ego.”

Not to mention the schadenfreude for fucking Tony Blair’s dream of becoming EU president….

I lived my early adulthood transnationally,

Actually, you didn’t dude. That’s the *point* of the EU ‘experiment’. You lived life bopping around from one not-very-autonomous political zone to another within a single nation – the EU.

And its nice to be able to travel (sort of) ID and permission free over large swathes of territory (its something we enjoy over here) but it comes at a pretty high cost (as we’re finding out and you guys should already know). That ‘supra-national’ government wants ever more control centralized to itself and less and less to the subordinate political divisions.

Which means that, over here, there’s a central government trying to reconcile the distinct desires and needs of at least a dozen completely separate cultures – and failing badly.

Now imagine how poorly the EU was managing that in a place where they speak damn near a completely different language every hundred miles.

I’d point out that I worked in health and this wasn’t the issue, and that, in line with the “stronger in” message, “the UK received £10 back for every £1 it put in.

I don’t know how it’s possible to be this stupid, and hold a degree.

I guess it’s not possible. So how can this sort of statement be explained?

I’m far too lazy to look at the figures and do sums, but I’m guessing this particular example of stupid comes from dividing the UK exports total by the EU subscription fees.

Like if you had a pitch at a car boot sale and paid the organisers a fiver, and sold goods to the sum of £100, you’re “getting £20 back for every £1 put in”.

That might be it. Still stupid though.

On a separate note, the Remnants are also asking us to believe that grandparents loathe their grandchildren, and (to a lesser extent), parents their offspring.

The better educated side so they say, which is pretty scary.

Talking of reality distortion, we now have the Governor of the Bank Of England doing his level best to deliberately talk the markets down. This all gets weirder every day.

It amuses me that the guy said:

“As someone whose works on health policy, using the financial challenges of the NHS struck me as an irresponsible, reductive tactic. I realized if one side was falsely claiming that membership to the EU led to underfunding of the beloved NHS, there was little hope for a vote of remaining in Europe.”

I looked him up on linkedin. He works in a division of Ogilvy and Mather, the advertising agency, for Ogilvy Healthworld UK. They specialise in communications and public relations for large health and pharmaceutical companies. He’s a senior account manager.

Obviously a medical expert.

I was affected by the campaigns, perhaps for the first time ever.

The Remain campaign was utterly appalling, easily the worst effort I’ve ever experienced. I doubt I was alone.

Not totally surprising, to EU supporters, the benefits of membership have just become an assumption. There is a case to be made, but it wasn’t made.

Who performed well on the Remain side? Anybody? The only significant interventions that I can remember were foot-in-mouth moments of often breath-taking stupidity and arrogance. Corbyn, Shultz, Juncker, Cameron and Calais, Osborne and his last and greatest Budget Fuck-Up.

“He also made the very accurate observations that the BoE’s powers are limited and there’s only so much they can do when overall economic activity is depressed by uncertainty.”

So presumably the Governor of the BoE was making similar pronouncements at the height of the Financial Crash? After all the uncertainty as to whether any banks were likely to be still open the next day was undoubtedly depressing economic activity quite significantly at that point, so I assume you can point me to a similar speech by Mervyn King?

“The two situations are mirror images. During the Crash the worry was about illiquidity in the banks affecting their ability to support the real economy. Right now the concern is about the Brexit slowdown in the real economy affecting the banks.”

So why is the Governor of the BoE going out in public making statements that there’s not much he can do in the circumstances? What good does that do, other than create fear and more uncertainty? Surely the job of a Central Bank Governor is to reassure people , not scare the pants off them? Which is why I (and others) are wondering exactly to what end he made that statement. It certainly doesn’t seem to be to the benefit of the economy as a whole, so it must be for other more private reasons. It seems to me that Mark Carney didn’t personally want Brexit (that was obvious from his interventions in the campaign) and now he’s operating like many of the losing side, in a sort of ‘I told you so’ attitude. If you predicted the economy would crater in the event of Brexit, you’re not going to work too hard to prove yourself an idiot are you?

“The likes of Leadsom and Rees-Mogg that are attacking him for pointing out the obvious (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re in that camp) are simply showing they don’t understand what a central bank governor does, don’t understand the role of central bank independence, and are unfit for high office.”

No they can see someone who has let his personal opinions cloud his judgement as to what is best for the UK economy (and the UK public). Its not Mark Carney’s role to make judgements on the political choices of the UK public, its to note them and do the best he can to manage the economy in the circumstances he finds himself in.