Have you ever heard anything so gobsmackingly stupid?

Racism is not human nature.

Not that I want to try and defend Pauline Hanson but racism isn’t human nature? We’re all heavily primed to favour the in-group over the out-group. That is, naturally heavily primed to be so. It takes rather a lot of cultural training (aka, bringing up a child) to get to the sort of free and easy interaction with strangers that we manage now.

It’s just fine to say that we shouldn’t be racist, that we should struggle not to be and all that but to deny that it is part of the basic human toolkit it ludicrous.

37 thoughts on “Have you ever heard anything so gobsmackingly stupid?”

  1. Yeah but it depends what you mean by in group. I’ve got much more in common with my mate Nick who is as black as your hat, served in the Army, votes Tory, loves cricket and rugby and loathes football, is married to his first wife and is a doting dad, and a good neighbour with an exemplary attitude to everything, than I have with your average Scouser with the same skin colour as mine.

  2. All this racism and Islamophobia must be stopped. I mean what’s wrong with murdering authors and cartoonists, groping women on Cologne railway station, female genital mutilation, suicide bombers, hate preachers, blowing up 2,000 year old architectural gems, abducting school girls, etc etc etc?

  3. The Inimitable Steve

    Multiculturalism means chasing down the last white communities while loudly complaining how racist they are.

  4. “Hate speech (calling for bans on Muslim immigration…”

    If this qualifies as ‘hate speech’, then practically ANYTHING could..!

  5. In the ME it’s tribe vs tribe, clan vs clan, brother vs brother.
    I do think Christianity should be credited for the novel suggestion, “Love thy neighbour as thyself”, it’s not an idea promulgated by the RoP.

  6. Yeah but it depends what you mean by in group.

    Indeed. And you generally learn what that in-group is when you are young. It really is xenophobia rather than racism – racism is just one of the easier ways of identifying a possibly outey.

    So segregation, whether it is significant (not, not all by any stretch of the imagination, but a vociferous minority, and many who wouldn’t insist on it seem to want to take part in opportunities for segregation offered by the more extreme) Muslim* refusal of most aspects of integration in the UK or US-style projects and white-flight means that it is hard for us, on either side, to learn that kuffar or whitey are in-group.

    * See also catholic segregated schooling prolonging the problems in Northern Ireland and Scotland.

  7. SE: Judaism is not a proselytising religion and Leviticus is full of downright weird prohibitions and penalties (stoning anyone?) quite as hostile to the nonadherent as Islam is to the kuffar, which rather undermine any more inclusive suggestions.

  8. Sorry Tim – the first paragraph was enough – brain dead drivel based on pseudo – academic bullshit which really ought to not be available through taxpayer funded institutions….

  9. Tim, you are right about in-group/out-group distinctions. However these take the form of whatever is relative to the social and political coordinates of the time. But racism certainly is not natural by any stretch of the conceptual imagination.

    In Classical Greece you were civilised or a barbarian, the colour of your skin was immaterial to that distinction.

    ‘Race’ is a modern invention and is not natural at all.

  10. Fear of strangers is a evolutionary survival technique.

    People you know, you know.

    People you don’t know might want to help you, might want to kill you.

    If you don’t have that suspicion gene then you’ll welcome with open arms a few friendlies and then one nasty.

    “The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind
    I see the face and the eyes and mouth
    But not the soul behind.”

    Kipling.

  11. The Inimitable Steve

    ‘Race’ is a modern invention

    Like indoor plumbing, electricity, and Freddo bars?

    Mebbe, but I’m pretty sure the ancients had at least a vague grasp of concepts like tribe and heredity.

  12. Hahahahahah, yeah, hahahaha Steve, what japes.

    Of course modern when talking about the history of ideas is like 1976 now and onwards, always 40 years previously.

    Not like, er 1750 – present or such when the Modern Age started, you know moving to proper capitalism away from mercantalism, the enlightenment really kicking off and such, life and ideas transforming

    No just freddo bars.

    You know I disparage my own (social science graduates) as much as you lot but the history of ideas does matter and its not a joke you know, you can sound like some stunted intellectual in not knowing or even comprehending such things as historical particularities and the power of ideas.

  13. And this isnt some vague ‘cupcake fascism’ type of articulation of bullshit ideas. Its about what is ‘race’, where did it come from, why, how did mankind view itself before, as part of a cosmic order or were ideas of modern enlightenment equality of man always present.

    Its actual history of ideas, not lightweight, not bullshit, but very real as it shaped what we have today.

  14. ‘Race’ is a modern invention and is not natural at all.

    Yeah, race is merely a “social construct” (whatever a social construct is), probably of “late capitalism”.

  15. Rob Harries–you need to restate that as it made no sense whatsoever.

    Are you agreeing with Steve, disagreeing with him, saying that “the modern history of ideas” should begin 40 years ago or just that it does to leftists or that the 1750 timescale is the right/wrong way to think?

  16. PF

    He really does believe that more money was spent in pursuit of Brexit than for Remain – and which equated directly to the final result! Lost for words.

    Classic, Moonbat. He conveniently ignores the millions spent by the government in support of remaining. And then he claims it is the plutocrats wot won it for Brexit – presumably by deceiving those poor chavs, pensioners and left-behinders that the left wants to blame for Brexit. What a patronising cretin he is!

  17. The idea of ‘race’ is quite complex, but the simplest one is that it is the idea humanity is seperated into distinct racial groups, with some being superior etc.

    That idea did not exist before 1750 at the earliest. Division between serf and lord was justified through appeals to religion and cosmic order, that is what gave medieval society its classes and justifications.

    Modern History begins around 1750. So when I say ‘race’ is a modern invention I mean it came about after 1750.

    You know a number of you disparage arts students trying to arrogantly talk about economics, business and finance and look stupidly ignorant. Sometimes, on something like this, you all do that because you don’t know your history of ideas or anything about what you speak.

  18. Speaking of bonkers Cultural Marxism, Nottinghamshire police have decided that ‘misogyny’ is now something they will investigate and persue ‘offenders’, even though they admit it isn’t a criminal offence.

    Now accepting denouncements! Book early to avoid disappointment!

  19. Rob Harries

    The idea of ‘race’ is quite complex, but the simplest one is that it is the idea humanity is seperated into distinct racial groups, with some being superior etc.

    “with some being superior” is not part of a scientific concept of race. You are confusing race with racialism there.

    That idea did not exist before 1750 at the earliest.

    I think the Conquistadors would disagree with you. And possibly Herodotus, too.

    Race is real. Analysis of genomes from around the world confirms this. For instance, in mixed race populations such as African-Americans, various segments of the genomes of an individual can be signed to a European or African ancestor. That would be impossible if race was not a biological reality.

  20. @Rob Harries

    “That idea [of race] did not exist before 1750 at the earliest.”

    Utter, utter nonsense. The ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans all wrote on the subject of race. They had different theories but there are many examples of them describing what they saw as the different attributes of different races.

    Fair skinned ancient Egyptians called darker skinned Egyptians “the evil race of Ish”

    The ancient Greeks thought all non-Greeks naturally inferior.

    In Rome it was a requirement when selling slaves to state their origin as that was required knowledge for a buyer as they believed some ‘origins’ produced good slaves and others bad.

    ALL societies have tended to categorise by physical characteristics and ascribe superiority to their own and inferiority to others.

    It’s utter nuts to claim their was no concept of race before it was ‘invented’ in 1750.

  21. “The idea of ‘race’ is quite complex, but the simplest one is that it is the idea humanity is seperated into distinct racial groups, with some being superior etc.”

    The writer is an imbecile dressed up in the Emperor’s New Clothes of modern race studies.

    The idea of race is quite simple at its root. It only becomes complex when a member of the SJW brigade expands its scope with spurious complexity as you have done above. The race industry has become a convenient alternative outlet for certain scum of the left who, lacking the talent or intellectual horsepower to pursue alternative career or academic paths, have made it a cause celebre and invest huge amounts of time, money (usually public money) and effort into making it needlessly complex. And who, to all our shame, have as a consequence criminalised many innocent people and actions and fatally holed freedom of speech. The race industry has become a safe refuge for a modern form of fascist but, sadly, it is not the only one these days.

  22. Rob (Harries), I was completely with you, until verbosity seemed to get the better of you and you wrote such guff as “historical particularities and the power of ideas” and “Modern History begins around 1750” – a statement that deserves a blackboard duster to the forehead. My tuppence: that people do indeed identify with those like themselves, that visual similarities are the easiest to comprehend and thus most commonplace, but that race – and hence racism – is an artificial human categorisation, and thus cannot be human nature. Humans are one species; can anyone give a biological determination of race?

    Interested: does your antipathy extend to Wirralians, average or otherwise?

  23. Nemo

    …race – and hence racism – is an artificial human categorisation, and thus cannot be human nature. Humans are one species; can anyone give a biological determination of race?

    As I said above, in mixed race populations such as African-Americans, various segments of the genomes of an individual can be signed to a European or African ancestor. That would be impossible if race was not a biological reality.

    Races are similar to breeds of dog, except that racial differences are driven by evolution rather than intentional selective breeding.

    An interesting example of racial difference is the MAOA gene, which predisposes those who have it to anti-social behaviour and extreme violence. This is gene is 20 times more common in blacks than it is in English whites. This is not to say that blacks are genetically determined to be violent and anti-social; but it does mean that in circumstances of (say) poor socialisation, or tribal/gang culture, blacks are more prone to extreme violence than English whites. In many black cultures and sub-cultures, violent behaviour has survival value and increases your reproductive potential. In England, where levels of violence have been decreasing for at least 800 years, the opposite is generally the case.

    This is not to stereotype all blacks as violent. Rather, it suggests that a disproportionate number of blacks will commit violent offences until blacks as a group learn to form stable two-parent families that socialise children properly in line with Western norms and values.

  24. ‘Have you ever heard anything so gobsmackingly stupid’

    Every entry on Tax Research UK – especially the ones with nine or so points and the Venn Diagrams

  25. If race is a modern invention, how come slave traders went all the way down to Africa rather than just raid France, Spain or whichever nation we were on snooty terms with at that time?

  26. Theo, your assertion that “the MAOA gene… predisposes those who have it to anti-social behaviour and extreme violence” will need a little more support before I take it seriously; I’m old enough to remember the few years since the human genome was assuredly 97% non-coding junk, which makes sense to an evolutionist. And was complete bollox. Frankly, I think evolution’s a silly fable anyway, and I wouldn’t base an argument on the output of a racist psychopath like Darwin, who was wrong on just about everything he said that can be actually tested.

    And geographical distribution of genetic traits requires too many assumptions to be reliable, and says nothing to race: families maintain traits to a greater extent, and the lack of specificity regarding genetic racial boundaries I’d say is in favour of my opinion.

    Finally, if race is so inherent, how could it be so easily overcome just by learning to marry like white people? (And here I recommend Thomas Sowell for a non-racist explanation of the breakdown of the black family in the US). I think you’re a bit relaxed in your distinction of ‘race’ and ‘culture’, the latter of which I hold to be the true source of so many things lumped under ‘race’.

  27. There have been some stupid comments I’ve seen recently in media, one was an article accusing everyone in Vancouver complaining about house prices especially foreign money coming in and pushing up prices of being racist.
    The other was a professor of race and gender (funnily enough it was a woman of colour) who was annoyed with people saying all lives matter not just black lives made the statement that “all lives matter is a false premise” so much for rational logical thinking then. Basically her complaint seemed to be that she wanted this to be a race issue and wasn’t going to let anyone cut off her funding, she even referenced an academic study into the use on Twitter of #blacklivesmatter talk about first world problems and gravy trains

  28. An interesting example of racial difference is the MAOA gene, which predisposes those who have it to anti-social behaviour and extreme violence. This is gene is 20 times more common in blacks than it is in English whites….

    I’m fairly sure that the MAOA gene is exactly as common in all ‘races’ – everyone has it. (Brunner syndrome, which is very rare, occurs if the MAOA gene is non-functioning.)

  29. SJW

    I should have said a particular version of MAOA.

    “A connection between a version of the monoamine oxidase A gene (3R) and several types of antisocial behavior has been found. Maltreated children with genes causing high levels of MAO-A were less likely to develop antisocial behavior.[21] Low MAO-A activity in combination with abuse experienced during childhood results in an increased risk of aggressive behaviour as an adult,[22] and there is evidence suggesting that men with the low activity MAOA allele are more genetically vulnerable even to punitive discipline as a predictor of antisocial behaviour.[23] High testosterone, maternal tobacco smoking during pregnancy, poor material living standards, dropping out of school, and low IQ also predicts violent behavior in men with the low-activity alleles (which are overwhelmingly the 3R allele).[24][25] Even in the absence of such interaction factors, the 3R allele has a small main effect on aggression and antisocial behavior, according to a large meta-analysis, which found no significant publication bias.[26]”

    See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

  30. Nemo

    If you think Darwin was a “racist psychopath”, I doubt we can have a productive discussion.

  31. Theo,

    That’s a doubt I’ve been unable to shake since our first correspondence, and it’s reinforced by the absence of productive discussion in your last comment.

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