History does repeat itself, yes

Black flight: how England’s suburbs are changing colour
Hugh Muir

Ethnic minorities are moving out of the inner cities, creating new havens of multiculturalism. What does this say for the nation’s future?

About the same that every other sodding group of immigrants has ever done.

Get ashore and huddle in the cheap slums in the cheap parts of the cities. Then the grandkids move out to the suburbs and finally, some generations of miscegenation later there you have the English. Perhaps with a slight patina of cafe au lait in the skin, the occasional mop of unruly hair not quite Celtic, Saxon or Viking in its provenance. But it’s exactly what has happened with every previous wave of immigrants.

20 thoughts on “History does repeat itself, yes”

  1. “…alongside black flight, demographers detect an extension of white flight. Minorities move out; many white Britons move out even further. But perhaps there is a natural filtering system at play, and perhaps that’s for the best. Those who can be comfortable with a changing Britain embrace it or make the best of it. Those who can’t just pack up and leave.”

    Until there’s nowhere left to go and they leave the country altogether?

  2. It’s the usual Progressive bullshit about anyone not agreeing with them being stupid and on the wrong side of history.

    Cafe au lait my arse.

  3. JuliaM,
    As you may have noticed from the various commentators on here, the smart ones have left the country already.

  4. As we are a technologically advanced and service-based economy, we need to send 50% of our youth to university, and we need to import a million or so uneducated immigrants.

    (Can someone check the last bit? Seems contradictory).

  5. “As you may have noticed from the various commentators on here, the smart ones have left the country already.”

    This particular one thinks he’s smart, getting away from the English.

  6. Bloke no Longer in Asutria

    I listened to this on radio 4 on Sunday and sighed for the whole half-hour as it stated the bleedin’ obvious.

    Living in London is ( was, I think property prices are becoming a spanner in the works ) like going round the clock. First Jews and then Asians started in the Easte Enbd, as they become affluent they move to places like Golders Green and then end up in Uxbridge. So from 3 o’Clock to 10 O’clock. In South London one aspires to move in the opposite direction from say 4 or 5 O’clock to end up in Richmond at 8O’clock. One moves West, because traditionally that’s where the nice houses always were.

    Getting older and richer means that it is less important to be near work and so people move out into Surrey or Buckinghamshire. As the inner cities empty and there are no factories there anymore, the vacuum is filled with office workers who are earning a lot more than their predecessors and can thus afford higher rents/mortgages.

    OK Paris might be a bit different, but it is a pattern that one can see in any large city in Europe or North America.

  7. Bloke in North Dorset

    “One moves west, because traditionally that’s where the nice houses always were.”

    Because where the clean air was during prevailing winds.

  8. “Because where the clean air was during prevailing winds.”

    Yes. Westerly winds are prevalent, and you didn’t want to be downwind of the stink of tanneries, factories and the general shitpit that was the City of London.

  9. Westerly winds and the flow of the Thames.

    Ethnic minorities moving outward leaves an inner city ripe for gentrification.
    In the 60s my grandparents and great aunts in Hackney muttered suspiciously about ‘them darkies’. Last year my builder (2nd generation Polish) who lives in Hackney remarked on its gentrification ‘the’re all white’.

  10. “it’s exactly what has happened with every previous wave of immigrants”: well, not for the neolithic invaders. Nor the first speakers of Indo-European languages. Nor, for quite some time, the Anglo-Saxons, nor Danes. Nor the fundamentalist Jews.

    Which way do you bet for the moslems?

  11. ” Last year my builder (2nd generation Polish) who lives in Hackney remarked on its gentrification ‘the’re all white’.”

    Hackney was the Hampstead of 19th century London.

  12. What can we possibly do to stop the influx of muslims, the demographic change, and the Islamisation they bring with them? Things that would have been done to stop this happening in days gone by are no longer acceptable in the West. We seem to think that they will all just turn European. It is suicide.

  13. “waves of immigration” When and how many?
    You are rewriting history.
    Much of British history is bent on keeping foreigners (and strangers) out.

  14. “But it’s exactly what has happened with every previous wave of immigrants.”

    Except that there’s a couple of orders of magnitude more people in the current wave than in any previous one. AND they are from much more alien cultures.

    Previous waves were small, roughly similar in most ways to the indigenes, and happy to integrate.

    This won’t end well. For us.

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